Here’s the QOTW, a comment left on a YouTube video:
Very well done. Except, unfortunately, history will show that climate denialists are worse than nazis.
What prompted that? This:
I suppose it was only a matter of time before the Hitler video was used on me. It can be used to parody just about anything. The best part is that it provides a window into the mindset of the creator, Jenkin Brown, plus the people that are doing the piling on in comments like the one above.
Gosh. All this denigration because I have an opinion and dare to write about it with citations. Yes, surely that’s just as bad (or worse as the commenter says) as putting millions of innocent people in gas chambers or shooting them in mass trenches. The comparison made by the commenter is so absurd that it overshadows the satire. It’s laughable.
I suppose we can thank Ellen Goodman for popularizing this connection:
I would like to say we’re at a point where global warming is impossible to deny. Let’s just say that global warming deniers are now on a par with Holocaust deniers, though one denies the past and the other denies the present and future. – Ellen Goodman, Boston Globe, February 9, 2007 “No change in political climate”
Obviously, since I posted it here, I don’t mind the satirical video, because it still isn’t as bad as the time I was labeled as having sex with farm animals (scroll down to bottom) for asking for a factual correction to an article.
I’ve been insulted by professionals, this is just an amateur effort. 😉
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It’s probably best to try and keep a sense of humor, we’re probably still going to need it later.
But did somebody mention the DALEKs?
I haven’t watched the video yet myself. But I just want to comment, for all those people saying how evil it is to belittle Hitler’s evil. We thought it was really funny when it was the alarmists who were parodied with the same meme. Maybe it hits a little closer to home for us, since they’ve been comparing us to Holocaust deniers for a decade now. But funny is funny (if indeed it is funny, I don’t know). And the Hansen/Gore/Glieck/Jones/[insert prominente AGW alarmist name here]-as-Hitler parodies outnumber the Sceptic-as-Hitler parodies about 10 to 1. Let them have their fun. Their days are numbered. (And no, that wasn’t a death threat – I was referring to their days of being taken even halfway seriously.)
I appreciate the point that the air over the Arctic ice has not risen at all. It is therefore interesting to note that the ‘models’ are claimed to show ‘polar warming’ comes first. This warming is quite separate from ice melting. Slight warmer air, were it to actually be >/i> warmer, would not melt the sea ice in any case. So, I am wondering what the modeled temperature is.
Further, if the heat that melted the ice came from below it means that heat is now gone and the system is cooler. The Arctic radiates far more heat than it receives. The consequence of a high melt in a short time is more rapid refreezing come the Fall.
If the ocean circulation manage to change and remain so, perhaps the ice might disappear each summer. That will be a great advantage as it increases the farmable area of the planet in the far north.
Personally I am a little fed up with the ‘you aren’t a climate scientist, so your opinion is not valid’ argument.
Dr Johnson always comes to mind “You may scold a carpenter who has made you a bad table, though you cannot make a table. It is not your trade to make tables”.
FWIW my job was building and running computer models, so I know for sure what a crock they are 🙂
I have to turn of the sound otherwise I would miss the subtitles.
history will show that climate denialists are worse than nazis
On the logical level is it not equivalent to “history will show that nazis are better then climate denialists”? If he believes so, he would definitely need a time machine to take him back to those bitter times, just for a first hand experience. Oh, wait, no. Would he not join that crowd? Provided, of course, he has the right heritage that happens to suit the official line of the National Socialist Worker’s Party. Otherwise…
I saw it and thought it as funny as all the other parodies, I thought Anthony would take it in good heart and also laugh equally at this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ymxLA5oRYI which shows the opposite side. I’m sure a while back there was an extended debate on this site about freedom of expression and why it should not be limited, I recall getting a lot of stick when I suggested it did have limits. So, in following that philosophy, when people joke, just laugh, even when the joke is on you. If you do not laugh at such Monty Python antics as these videos, you give them power far beyond their original intention.
OReilly?
I submit the laundry list you gave is pretty much exclusively the territory of the types that made the video, not those who deplore it.
A further note: the Daleks mostly spoke only one thing: “Exterminate! Exterminate!” The resemblance to the neo-Malthusian Eugegicist Gaians is compelling.
Once again, the call goes to out to jail deniers.
Where is justice on behalf of the victims of the climate criminals? I refer here to those criminals who have knowingly and willfully carried out a largely successful media disinformation campaign designed to thwart the efforts of the scientific community to alert the public to the necessity of recognizing and reforming our unsustainable economic and industrial models of civilization. Why aren’t climate change deniers being sent to prison?
http://www.smmirror.com/articles/Opinion/Weather-To-Climate-Change-Deniers-Hows-Your-Convention-Going/35367#comments
Actually, they levitate. Saw it several times.
[They actually needed steel plates on the floor in the earliest episodes! Levitation came much, much later ~ac]
A common calumny. That’s Statism, and true rightists oppose Statism in all its forms.
Hitler, btw, was a Leftist. A Socialist. A National Socialist. The “National” part confuses people.
The really interesting thing is the only people getting stress induced ulcers are the people who worry that the earth is gunna burn. Their lives must be truly miserable.
And the really funny thing is the ONLY people who are really hanging out for global warming to come roaring back with a vengance are the very ones who claim it will be the end of us all !!
(Well OK – there may be some really cold people who live in really cold climates that may wish it would start up again)
Now that is twisted and evil !
“Even their videos are funnier!
Like this one!”
Indeed!
Oh well, on a brighter note we have a sunny day here in the UK. I might even get the BBQ out for the third time this year! Oh yeah, I’m denying AGW…. but I’m increasingly worried about the dawn of the new ice-age. Meanwhile I note with some irony that Hitler invented the “peoples car” known as the Volkswagen Beetle. So it’s all his fault anyway……
The Arctic sea ice coverage is not clear cut. Satellite coverage might be good but is the data? If there is a genuine problem with the data from the old satellites then we must use the newer data from the non degraded satellites. Also if there is an acknowledged problem with these old satellites why does NSIDC persist in their use and report their data?
Dear Anthony,
Your loyal fan base has said it all. I do love that video clip though, as you say it can be used for everything & anything! I still recall that AR4 maintains that the Arctic was warmer in the 1940s than today (2006), but hey ho, never mind about facts, nor the fact that the Arctic has been ice-free in the past, & that the last 4 interglacials were warmer than today by as much as 5°C. Never mind logical reasoned argument, let’s stick to the used car salesmen technique of pressure selling by using the good old time factor “the deal is only on the table today, if you don’t sign today the deal is off!”. Still, it is a pretty nasty & unpleasant thing to say about anyone, I do not see my self as part of some super-human master-race looking down upon anyone who disagrees with me as inferior & to be regarded with utter contempt as sub-human & requires enslavement & extermination, I just think they are wrong & misguided!
Yours sincerely
Alan Hannaford
CEng, MIStructE
In a TV documentary, Niall Ferguson linked the pseudoscience of Nazi eugenics to climate change. I nearly spat out my drink!
Oh and whist on the subject, the term holistic came from Jan Smuts, who was thinking of natural order in nature and used it to justify apartheid.
The problem for me re. climate change hasn’t been the science, it’s what people have been wanting to do about it. Their “solutions” reflect their worldview and their beliefs. Not uncommon that an environmentalist has told me that even if climate change science is wrong, it is still ok because it is about reducing consumption, it is about “reducing greed”.
The world needs social change –– but the environmentalists need to change. They need to stop peddling an 16th Century set of social mores.
Hey, it is funny! Credit were it’s due.
Especially the bit about the elves! If we cannot laugh at ourselves or appreciate others creating a skit at our expense we are doomed!
Bit pathetic really. I’ve watched a number of these parodies about different subjects and they’re usually fairly funny. But the joke is becoming a bit tired now and this one isn’t funny just a bit silly. They’ve tried to jump on the train after it’s left the station.
$50 says the only science “Jenkin Brown” has ever had was preceded by the word Political, with the rest of the morons on campus.
Godwins Law, Daleks and Spike Milligan in the same thread ? Man, I love WUWT.
Brian H:
At September 3, 2012 at 2:00 am you assert
Nonsense! He was a fascist: i.e. as right-wing as is possible.
His use of the word “socialist” was intended to confuse people (as you are trying to do).
Similarly, any country which uses the word “democratic” in its title probably is not.
Richard
There is a simple word in the English language that semantically has a noble interpretation, but is almost always used pejoratively. It a word that consistent defines the Liberal mindset when it comes to factual arguments. The word is ignorant. Perhaps its because so many Liberals appear to be schooled in the poetry of language, without ever learning anything of the meaning of the words themselves, or have never reflected on their context. Its as if all they have ever learned about knowledge comes from the lyric of the language used to describe the fact, and nothing of the fact itself. Modern journalism comes to mind as the most egregious commercial expression of this.
This lyricism is the essence of the sound-bite; a momentary construct of language that may or may not have any content. To Liberals, the content is irrelevent. Its the impact of the lyric that defines the the context for them. The phenomenon is akin to listening to a foreign language and learning to mimic the sounds without ever really learning the meaning of those sounds.
Ellen Goodman is ignorant. Jenkin Brown is ignorant. Neither of them have any idea of what they are talking about. They are entirely about listening to their own lyric. All dog-whistle, no dog.
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FWIW, as a former scientist, and apparent “denier”, I see no scientific evidence that CO2 is causing global warming, whatever the source. I agree that the molecular physics of CO2 provides for the availablity of local heat as a contribution. I see no evidence that the contribution is in any way significant to the ambient temperature of the earth. As a long-time student of the biosphere, imo, the CO2 hot-dog won’t hunt.
daveburton says:
September 2, 2012 at 2:25 pm
“Derek” won’t be back, I would wager.
I would liken him to a chimp who, having thrown his poo, quickly clambers off up the longest branch but research shows that those primates who throw “stuff” have greater intellectual abilities than those who don’t, so, I guess I won’t 😉