Here’s the QOTW, a comment left on a YouTube video:
Very well done. Except, unfortunately, history will show that climate denialists are worse than nazis.
What prompted that? This:
I suppose it was only a matter of time before the Hitler video was used on me. It can be used to parody just about anything. The best part is that it provides a window into the mindset of the creator, Jenkin Brown, plus the people that are doing the piling on in comments like the one above.
Gosh. All this denigration because I have an opinion and dare to write about it with citations. Yes, surely that’s just as bad (or worse as the commenter says) as putting millions of innocent people in gas chambers or shooting them in mass trenches. The comparison made by the commenter is so absurd that it overshadows the satire. It’s laughable.
I suppose we can thank Ellen Goodman for popularizing this connection:
I would like to say we’re at a point where global warming is impossible to deny. Let’s just say that global warming deniers are now on a par with Holocaust deniers, though one denies the past and the other denies the present and future. – Ellen Goodman, Boston Globe, February 9, 2007 “No change in political climate”
Obviously, since I posted it here, I don’t mind the satirical video, because it still isn’t as bad as the time I was labeled as having sex with farm animals (scroll down to bottom) for asking for a factual correction to an article.
I’ve been insulted by professionals, this is just an amateur effort. 😉
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I just go back to the quote from William Joseph “Wild Bill” Donovan, former head of the OSS during WWII and father of the CIA. In propaganda you must never, ever, tell a lie. Since the citation of facts isn’t working in their favor, they’re now resorting to character assassination attempts and parodies of past atrocities. We should be glad that they are now on such insubstantial intellectual grounds.
Well anyone can be framed this way and it was not badly done.
What’s funny is that when someone says “we cannot blame it on the wind”, it is a self defeating claim for warmists since the Serreze group even made a special post on the August 8 storm… reinforcing that once again atmospheric circulation is paramount in determining the summer arctic sea ice extent.
Joanne Nova has the best repose. What is it deniers deny?
Man Bearpig says:
September 2, 2012 at 12:33 pm
”deny the future” ??
How does that work then ?
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Spend like there’s no tomorrow?
i think the intensity of the emotion spent demonizing us reveals the emotional investment they’ve put into the failing paradigm – for that reason – i would like to see less demonizing of their side on our part too
nzrobin says:
September 2, 2012 at 12:34 pm
The very odd thing is that most who visit and write at WUWT would not actually deny the role of CO2 causing some global warming.
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“Global Warming”? Since the ILA? Who “denies” that? Didn’t you leave out the “Mann-Made” part?
PS Why is it only “Global Warming” whenever it’s hot outside and “Climate Change” whenever it’s not?
“Your Tax Dollars at WorK”.
“Since the ILA?”
I did it again. “Since the LIA?” (That means “Little Ice Age” for nzrobin’s benefit.)
Hi Anthony, in case you changed your mind about this “billboard”, you can use it: http://i50.tinypic.com/oaww0m.jpg
Null Punkte für Originalität
(zero points for originality)
I would point everyone to this comment by Ulric Lyons:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/27/sea-ice-news-volume-3-number-11-part-2-other-sources-show-no-record-low/#comment-1069871
on the recent sea ice thread. Things move so speedily in this most marvellous of meeting places that some gems get covered up by events and suchlike.
“Very well done. Except, unfortunately, history will show that climate denialists are worse than nazis.”
Funny…
An exerpt from Wikipedia.
So… who is it that are acting like Nazis?
Why do the warmists not understand that if C02 was warming the planet, it would warm all the planet, not just a few spots. Have any of the “climate scientists” thought of an answer to that?
As a non-scientist in any climate related field and a former vocal supporter of this AGW meme I find myself asking why, if global in nature, the Antarctic doesn’t seem to be exhibiting the same behaviour?
I did try to push this line a couple of times in discussions with supporters of the AWG hypothesis but simply could get a consistent and coherent answer. Yes, I was shouted down.
Anybody please?
Thing is.. A lot of them really believe and i mean are utterly convinced that a climate holocaust is just around the corner. and the only reason in their thinking/worldview that they can come up with to explain scepticism. Is this ‘explanation’
It is not a tactic, they actually belive this.
Which makes it even harder to deal with/reason with than if it was a tactic.
RobRoy says:
September 2, 2012 at 1:01 pm
“To my knowledge, the Nazis were unconcerned about cO2. They presumed it was just a necessary trace gas and that it was good. I too believe this, yet I am not a Nazi.”
The first known CO2 alarmism piece by one of them is as far as I know “Dance With the Devil” from 1950 by Günther Schwab; I found it somewhere and read it and it is basically the blueprint of all of Rachel Carson and Ehrlich. CO2-induced warming is mentioned only as one of many things that the devil’s minions use to bring down humanity in the book, maybe in 5 sentences, but it describes current CO2AGW alarmism perfectly.
Not so much because Schwab was a great thinker but because his dystopian visions got read and repeated by many. Humans love distopian myths and retell them all the time.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/the_nazi_origins_of_apocalypti.html
The Nazis during their reign themselves were not concerned about warming. Hitler was member of the Thule society who believed in the existence of an Ultima Thule, an advanced civilization far up in the North, somehow unaffected by polar temperatures. I guess they would have appreciated some warming as they were seeking Lebensraum in the East which had a continental climate with a harsh winter.
Another link between Nazi era environmentalism and the founding of the German Greens is Baldur Springmann, who was purged from the Greens when Leftists cleaned the party shortly after foundation from non aligned opinions. They continue to rule the party to this day.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldur_Springmann
Nothing to see here, really. Don’t pay any attention to youtube comments, there’s far worse ignorance displayed in comments of many other videos of all kinds.
Ad Hominem versus scientific technique then?
I’m sure we can live with that
As the late, great, Dale Earnhardt said when asked if it bothered him to be booed: “You only have to worry when they stop making noise!” They’re taking on the big dogs in the pack when they come here. Congratulations Anthony and crew!!!
“All this denigration because I have an opinion and dare to write about it with citations.”
No, it’s because you’re objectively wrong, immature, stupid and viciously anti-science.
Barry Woods
Absolutely.
Blade says:
September 2, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Recall that Elmer at M4GW (Minnesotans For Global Warming) already did one of these for the good guys, and did it spectacularly. ( WUWT Thread 2012-07-30 )
Brilliant!! Thank you very much for a second (and better) laugh in one thread.
Standard Operating Procedure for some people
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/rnc-star-mia-loves-wikipedia-reportedly-changed-to-dirty-worthless-whre%E2%80%99-who-is-a-house-nier/
h/t Robert W.(Vancouver)/SDA
The Tolerant Left
Derek, you’ve just demonstrated who’s really vicious. Now, let’s see who’s really anti-science.
Let’s take sea-level rise, for example. Do you admit or deny that, thus far, in response to roughly 3/4 century of substantial anthropogenically-driven CO2 increases, there has been no detectable acceleration in the rate of sea-level rise?
It’s really sad when the dialogue falls to such a low level as this. It is no longer about science, it is just plain politics and religious fervour. They are resorting to this sort of stuff to rally their troops as they can no longer construct a rational argument or study the data.
You don’t need to blame it on wind, it was a rare Arctic summer storm. Here is my take on it as posted elsewhere:
Arctic explorers have noticed long time ago that storms by breaking and churning the sea ice turn it into slush, and at same time lift warmer waters from the depths of the Arctic Ocean, the sea ice will melt rapidly.
Now we only need to know why there was so unusually strong Arctic storm in the first 10 days of August, one of only half a dozen or so in the last 30 summers.
http://timenewsfeed.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/arcticstorm2.jpg?w=600&h=400&crop=1
I assume some could say it is sign of global warming, CO2 etc, etc, etc.
Arctic gets another kind of storms, namely geomagnetic storms.
Take a look at top graph here
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/Tromso.htm
it shows that in March-August period this year cumulative strength of geomagnetic storms was about 30-40% stronger than in 2011. Single storm of a medium strength packs as much energy as M6 earthquake, but that is not all.
Another look at the graph shows that in 2011 geomagnetic storms energy was dissipated in the gentle shift of the Earth’s magnetic field, but from the mid March 2012 shift was minimal despite the stronger gm storms. Only a conducting substance could absorb the energy in form of heat and for some reason I suspect it was absorbed by the Arctic most saline section. Notably in addition to it the SST of the Arctic inflow is at peak (higher than in the previous years). We can only speculate if and why the additional energy may cause the ‘energy eruption’ to the surface and in doing so power the August Arctic storm, or if it was just a proverbial ‘flap of butterfly wings’