Here’s the QOTW, a comment left on a YouTube video:
Very well done. Except, unfortunately, history will show that climate denialists are worse than nazis.
What prompted that? This:
I suppose it was only a matter of time before the Hitler video was used on me. It can be used to parody just about anything. The best part is that it provides a window into the mindset of the creator, Jenkin Brown, plus the people that are doing the piling on in comments like the one above.
Gosh. All this denigration because I have an opinion and dare to write about it with citations. Yes, surely that’s just as bad (or worse as the commenter says) as putting millions of innocent people in gas chambers or shooting them in mass trenches. The comparison made by the commenter is so absurd that it overshadows the satire. It’s laughable.
I suppose we can thank Ellen Goodman for popularizing this connection:
I would like to say we’re at a point where global warming is impossible to deny. Let’s just say that global warming deniers are now on a par with Holocaust deniers, though one denies the past and the other denies the present and future. – Ellen Goodman, Boston Globe, February 9, 2007 “No change in political climate”
Obviously, since I posted it here, I don’t mind the satirical video, because it still isn’t as bad as the time I was labeled as having sex with farm animals (scroll down to bottom) for asking for a factual correction to an article.
I’ve been insulted by professionals, this is just an amateur effort. 😉
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“Hard pounding this, gentlemen; let’s see who will pound longest.”
Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington At the Battle of Waterloo (18 June 1815), as quoted by Sir Walter Scott, in Paul’s Letters to His Kinsfolk (1815).
He also wrote (to a whore)
“Publish and be damned.”
Or, as his opponent said
“Courage mes braves”
They have to call us names — the facts are on our side.
It’s funny as hell, but that’s done to lower the BS filters. If you laugh, then your brain begins to take in subsequent BS more freely, because we tend to trust people who make us feel good. And we wouldn’t want to be laughed AT. They used exactly the same trick in Borat. The movie was really funny, but that disarmed the audience who could not process the idea that being homosexual today is not equivalent to being a Jew in Nazi Germany or in Russia under the Tsars.
Personally, I take such attacks as a badge of honor. Especially when I get angry responses after taking principled positions it means I’m doing my job. In the political world, far too few are willing to be attacked and ridiculed. It’s more important to do the job, and get results. Then you have a record to stand on. For example: Reagan’s second term election. All the previous ridicule didn’t stop people from voting for him. Everyone knew the economy and national security were better than during the Carter years.
The ice will do whatever it will do, and we won’t die. The Climate Masters are desperately trying to prevent people from realizing their snakeoil cure is much worse than the supposed climate disease.
Stephen Wilde,
Polar ice is a natural repeating cycle. I will be willing to reconsider if global temperatures break out decisively above their long term parameters. But until/unless that happens, the default position is the null hypothesis.
And looking at recent global temperatures, that seems extremely unlikely.
A video clip from the community who loves exploding children … Look who’s talking …
A couple of years ago, the AGW-believers here in Sweden recommend the realists (I don’t use the term “denier” as it is a religious one …) to use psychotherapy as help against “bad thoughts”. I wonder who would benifit better …?
Comparing reality with one of the existing leftisms … Seems desperate …
Josh and Anthony,
As a pointed cartoon suggestion to make the point that the “enlightened” (sarcasm, yes) are dangerously close to fascism in their rhetoric and thinking, perhaps a cartoon would be in order reminding people a bit about the history they are referencing:
Credit where credit is due, this idea comes from looking at cracked.com where they have “12 Old War Photographs You Won’t Believe Aren’t Photoshopped.” http://www.cracked.com/article_19984_12-old-war-photographs-you-wont-believe-arent-photoshopped.html
#11 – Sea of POWs (with picture from wikipedia)
Perhaps Josh can create a three-panel cartoon showing: 1) the line of people waiting to be separated into the “believers” and the non-believers (readers of wattsupwiththat.com) with a panel of “judges” perhaps consisting of Mann, Franziska Hollender, and Mark Serreze, 2) the millions of non-believers lined up in the fields with “scientist/advocate” guards holding the guns and guarding the masses (in the open prison) with peace signs on their chests or EPA emblazoned on their armbands…, and then the third panel showing the actual open camps photo from c.a. 1942.
Maybe it would be too over-the-top…but it seems that this might illustrate what is wrong with the rhetoric. Some might mistake it for using the same rhetoric against the alarmists, but the effect might still make the point…
Just a thought after reading this post and the previous one about Franziska Hollender’s seminar…
Democracy requires vigilance.
Isn’t it amazing the projection going on here. In all of the many years I have followed this web site not once has there ever seen from you an over the top explosion. That cannot be said from many others in the AGW brigade. This is a true and clear example of projection, almost textbook. What is very sad is that this is so far out of the ballpark, that they cannot even see the planet it resides on no less the lights. The real problem for them is that you are effective in your arguments , they are supported by data, and the average person can comprehend them. In a few words you seek the truth, speak the truth, and are good at it. I have serious concerns when science becomes an dogmatic religion, and not the dynamic quest to define and know the truth. If this passes for science, what unquestionable pseudo science cause will be next? Will phrenology make a comeback?
The notion that people who question how catastrophic mmgw may be are worse than people who tortured and murdered for fun is simply sick. There are some real fascist minds amongst those who believe.
Severian says:
September 2, 2012 at 11:59 am
Daleks have a lot in common with AGW Alarmists….EXAGGERATE…EXAGGERATE…EXAGGERATE!!!!
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I think they think more like the Borg. “Resistence is futile”.
(If you followed StarTrek, you know how true that turned out to be.)
I have a question rather than a comment. I was under the impression that sea ice extent and area were monitored by satellite and “all of recorded history” only goes back to 1979. And the primary satellite doing that has died. So another source has been spliced in. Therefore, year-o-year correlation is not expected.
Where in that chain of assumptions am I wrong?
There has been such a global ‘push’ by alarmists with scare stories appearing everywhere in recent weeks that I get the sense they know they are losing credibility left right and centre and are becoming desperate. I wonder if this video is aimed at cheering up and invigorating the warmist religion believers rather than reaching the public – they must need it right now.
I’m waiting to see what temperatures are like in the UK in coming months – it’s been one of the coldest summers I can remember and Autumn (Fall) has already arrived a few weeks early with swallows departing early for africa last week.
There is a sickly smell of corruption that goes by the name of ‘climate change’ wafting around the globe and although we may all have to gag on it for a while longer it will eventually pass, blown away by the fresh air of truth that sceptics strive for and achieve.
Anthony – you must be hitting some nerves for them to come up with this rather extreme (but funny nonetheless) ad hom – well done!
Now you’ve publicised it on WUWT the number of viewings will reach a level beyond Jenkin Brown’s wildest dreams. I notice that this is the only video he or she has uploaded to YouTube, having only joined on 29th August. Perhaps you should run a competition for the best suggestion who he/she really is. Their profile says they’re age 29 and living in the UK. William Connolley is nearly 40 so it’s probably not him.
Recall that Elmer at M4GW (Minnesotans For Global Warming) already did one of these for the good guys, and did it spectacularly. ( WUWT Thread 2012-07-30 )
So now an AGW hoaxer steps up to the plate, swings and misses. Shameless lame ripoff. Epic fail. You were beaten to the punch Jenkin Brown, you copycat, don’t you realize how it makes you look?
P.S. Elmer if you are reading this, your video periodically returns “an error occurred”. Just a heads up in case they are trying to kill it.
Here is the brilliant one from M4GW at YouTube (currently working) …
”deny the future” ??
How does that work then ?
I always wondered how Daleks can be so evil when they can’t even climb stairs. I would have just parked the telephone box on the second floor.
The very odd thing is that most who visit and write at WUWT would not actually deny the role of CO2 causing some global warming.
Anthony,
It’s inevitable that you attract approbrium — these people (most of them) seriously believe that they are the last hope of Mankind, that they stand alone against BIg OIl and Big Watts whose only wish is to let the world boil. So although it’s difficult, try to laugh. I’ve been wondering myself how the Arctic ice trend hitting a new local minimum would be treated by both sides of the debate. Am I wrong in thinking that the trend is worse than can be realistically explained by the actual temperature change in the 20th century? If so then scientists should be searching for causes, not just waving hands and explaining the data away as so often happens in climate science.
My bet? Black carbon and ‘up in smoke’ oil, 92 million gallons per year according to NASA seawifs in ’94 and much more now. Spilled oil on the melted sea surface will reduce emissivity all through the long winter dark. Etc. The only picture I’ve seen of a polar bear on ice which _doesn’t_ have an oil sheen on the sea is the latest Guardian piece where the surface is anyway so smooth it could be glass. And isn’t the thermohaline circulation due to bring up the warmth from the MWP about now? And, and and…
KBO*, old chap. The world needs you.
JF
*Churchill.
just been reading New Scientist – they really have gone over the top this time!
front cover “ARCTIC MELTDOWN – earth faces its biggest challenge in 3 million years”
editorial “arctic sea ice at its lowest for at least 3 million years”
main article “arguably the greatest environmental change in human history…” what more than the decline of the Laurentide ice sheet?
maybe they regard human history as starting in 1979?
I think a weird thing about human nature is that on the one hand we have skeptics (me) hoping the earth will cool however believe a mild cooling is bad for us. On the other hand we have warmists hoping the earth will warm however believe a mild warming is bad for us. I’m sure there is a word that describes this condition…..
Well done Anthony. I can’t imagine the warmist blogs posting any satire directed at them on their own blogs, least of all the most bitter kind (too many fragile egos).
My Father God rest his soul, survived the Nazis and the Communists (his family were deported to Siberia where only his two Brothers and Sister survived – they had to walk back to Latvia after they were released) was always a cynic when it came to people in authority and he only admired truly great people who made great breakthroughs, he drove people in authority up the wall until his death, because he learnt from bitter experience that you have to think for yourself to survive. If you don’t you become cannon fodder 🙁
In the end the system got him, old and not worth the expense to keep alive (having dealt with the consultant looking after him I have met the Angel of Death), yet he always worked hard and paid his taxes.
My memory of him will always be that you need to think for yourself and pass that on to your children. Luckily here in the UK we still have a fierce sense of our liberty no ID required here – which was great in the Olympic venues you just needed a ticket 🙂
What I know from him is that Extreme Left and right wing are the same, you must have their view or be wiped out, so never think that the rightwing of politics is safe it’s same coin just the other side. Th important thing is to be like Socrates and always question – he was also put to death by the state, but he lived a life worth living 🙂
I’ve long thought that YouTube has *the worst* commenters on the entire internet – and that’s saying something.
On average, they’re all about profanity, racism, sexism, or accusations of racism and sexism, frequently unrelated to the video.
I have a browser plugin that blocks comments on YT, I honestly don’t think I’ve missed anything useful there over the last year.
So at least I can say the *venue* for this comment is entirely unsurprising.
To my knowledge, the Nazis were unconcerned about cO2. They presumed it was just a necessary trace gas and that it was good. I too believe this, yet I am not a Nazi.
Anthony, you have really made it on the interwebs now. LOL. This is the greatest. You have been ultimately demonized. It’s hilarious. You are a big player now. (never forget the Streisand effect)
Guest “post on climate elves” apparently has already been scrubbed from internet. But reports are an independent funded satellite managed to screen capture the back radiation of climate elves. Blog scientists worldwide now open sourcing the attempt to unravel elves’ home IP address from those of trolls. Commentators egging each other on worried the trail will go cold. Consensus holds sway while sea ice temporarily unavailable for comment.
In other news: Anthony’s sense of humor found intact surprising modelers predicting thin skin. Data indicates degree of probing by his dog Kenji’s teeth correlate inversely over years of time to the rising ambient CO2 levels.