https://www.facebook.com/MichaelMannScientist/posts/267470906700950
Now that Dr. Mann has drawn attention to it, even more people will want to read the National Review article “Football and Hockey” to find out what he’s so upset about. I didn’t even know about this article until Mann tweeted this demand announcement today. This announcement on Twitter Facebook is probably a bad move on Dr. Mann’s part. Here’s why:
From Wikipedia: The Streisand effect is a primarily online phenomenon in which an attempt to hide or remove a piece of information has the unintended consequence of publicizing the information more widely. It is named after American entertainer Barbra Streisand, whose attempt in 2003 to suppress photographs of her residence inadvertently generated further publicity.
Similar attempts have been made, for example, in cease-and-desist letters, to suppress numbers, files and websites. Instead of being suppressed, the information receives extensive publicity and media extensions such as videos and spoof songs, often being widely mirrored across the Internet or distributed on file-sharing networks.
Mike Masnick of Techdirt coined the term after Streisand, citing privacy violations, unsuccessfully sued photographer Kenneth Adelman and Pictopia.com for US$50 million in an attempt to have an aerial photograph of her mansion removed from the publicly available collection of 12,000 California coastline photographs. Adelman said that he was photographing beachfront property to document coastal erosion as part of the government sanctioned and commissioned California Coastal Records Project. Before Streisand filed her lawsuit, “Image 3850” had been downloaded from Adelman’s website only six times; two of those downloads were by Streisand’s attorneys. As a result of the case, public knowledge of the picture increased substantially; more than 420,000 people visited the site over the following month.
You’d think after his botched attempt to get this video removed, Dr. Mann would have learned that lesson. For the record, I don’t agree with the article Steyn cites in the National Review, but I think Dr. Mann’s effort to get it removed will backfire on him.
h/t to Tom Nelson
UPDATE:
Letter from Dr. Mann’s lawyers to the National Review in three parts:
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Scanned images posted by Dr. Mann to his public FaceBook site. h/t to reader “Typhoon”.
NOTE TO COMMENTERS AND MODERATORS: I’m going to have a low tolerance for any comments that excerpt parts of the article, as well as other sorts of over the top comments – please be on your best behavior or such comments will be snipped/deleted – Anthony
Mann deserves a special award, if only someone could come up with a name for it that would aptly describe his tiresome … oh, I dunno … Mannuer.
It would have been worse on the front page of the NY Times, NBC, ABC, or CBS news. Maybe a hundred or more people would have seen it.
[OK, I don’t like Dr. Mann’s practices in science either, but that’s a bit over the top – Anthony]
Heh, the Piltdown Mann thinks he was cleared. Oh, shine in, light, shine in.
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May mann Keep taking steps in the wrong direction, Manny, manny, MANNY steps.
As far as I ascertain from the video, there is no actualy libel or defamation. Its a satirical song, which I would have thought Mr Mann would have taken with some humour.
A sense of humour is the first sign of intelligence
THE HOCKEY STICK
There was a crooked Mann
Who played a crooked trick
And had a crooked plan
To make a crooked stick
By using crooked math
That favored crooked lines
Lysenko’s crooked path
Led thru the crooked pines
And all his crooked friends
Applaud what crooked seems
But all that crooked ends
Derives from crooked means
Hey Mann! Sue me too! You will make me the most famous poet in America!
Eugene WR Gallun
While we’re at it, let’s all tip our hats to Tom Nelson, who doesn’t get enough credit.
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Mark Steyn is a force to deal with in debate..
re: “Streisand Effect”
Mann is more like the “Hindenberg Effect” — in danger because he is so full of combustible gases
or maybe the “Titanic Effect” …. over-hyped performance heading straight at an iceberg but too self-important to pay attention
or the “Napoleon Effect” — he doesn’t respect Russian winters
Oh, the humanity….
Scientists have held off on libel suits and generally do not want to spend their time in court. However, this post goes so far that I expect that it will be settled out of court rather quickly in Mann’s favor. Truely a disgusting analogy.
Sorry but what Dr.Michael Mann has done to help make energy more expensive in the world (let alone the United States) is much worse for the children of the world [snip – please lets not go there – Anthony]. The magnitude of what will happen to all children of the world because of expensive, or no energy, results in the killing of many people (including children).
It has to suck for Mikey that he can’t just get the editor fired if the content of the magazine displeases him, unlike with scientific journals.
The tab on Chrome which is showing Mann’s Facebook page is entitled
“I have form…”
Quite so, Mr. Mann. Quite so.
Okay Mike, “if you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen,” is famous quote attributed to H. S. Truman. It matters not if you agreed with H. S. or not. All I know agree on one thing, he was a statesmen who, right, wrong or indifferent made the tough ones and took both credit and lumps as the case was. Man up Mike and do the right thing.
[snip – sorry, let’s leave quotes from the article in the article – Anthony]
Yes, he has a point there……
BillD, Steyn was quoting someone else on the [snip – sorry, let’s leave quotes from the article in the article – Anthony] remark. I doubt a penny will go his way. He also cached the statement in a “I don’t know if I’d go that far” type of statement so saying he has defamed may be a little hard to prove. Now if it is found to be defamation to quote someone who may be defaming, he may have trouble, but I don’t think the law actually goes that far.
One difference is that the Streisand story is just a photo of physical property, whereas the National Review story is a piece of libel. Now promoted on the front page of WUWT.
REPLY: It’s an opinion, whether it is libelous or not is for the court to decide. My point is that Dr. Mann Tweeted/Facebooked this publicly, and he knows full well that thousands of people follow his twitter feed on both sides of the argument. If he didn’t want anyone to bring attention to it, and he truly was libeled by it, he certainly didn’t help his case by digitally zapping his announcement (with a link to the article he’s claiming is libelous) into cyberspace for the world to read. That’s a mistake on his part I think. – Anthony
If I were at a dinner party and given the option to sit beside Michael Mann, Barbara Streisand or Mark Steyn I would have to chose Streisand. Mann is way too easily angered, Steyn could eat me alive on any point and Streisand…Well, I could ignore what she said and simply have a fantasy.
What I believe is it’s entirely possible that because Penn State overlooks / (hides its head in the sand) / in favor of a pedophile at the expense of several children in order to avoid scandal and maintain it’s football cash cow. Therefore it’s not implausible that they would overlook / perform dishonest internal investigation in favor of a scientific Mannipulator in order to avoid scandal and maintain its governmental cash cow.
Ron:
how about Manniacal Mannialism?
Great little poem but watch out for that hockey stick, Eugene! (apologies to Pink Floyd)
Mann is a public figure. It will take much more that this to libel him.
REPLY: Yes, and so am I, which is why I decided not to sue that little twerp in Buffalo and Joe Romm’s pet, Mike Roddy, for libel, for saying I have sex with farm animals. Scroll down to the “corrections” at the end. – Anthony
Jeez, Mike, if you want to be a political advocate and a public figure, expect to be treated as such. If you expect to be treated like a serious scientist, then act like one. It isn’t complicated.
The former Penn St. admin. proved to all (cf. Freeh Report) that they would go to great lengths to condone and cover up some of the worst behaviors in order to protect a “star” program (football) with a lot of revenue.
ergo, what would they do (and not do) to protect a “star” professor bringing in grants and prestige?
for serious academics Mann is an embarrassment but to some he is a “star” who must be protected.