I had to laugh when I saw this post from climate blog regular caerbannog666 re-tweeted by Dr. Michael Mann:
That iron lung comment piqued my interest, and I wondered who is this guy? A well known climate blog regular, he’s been bloviating all over the climate blogs for years. After finding him though about a minute’s worth of Googling public information, I wish I could unsee what I found. Meet Caesar Augustus Rossi Carvalho (Caerbannog)
Caesar Augustus Rossi Carvalho (Caerbannog) on Myspace
http://www.myspace.com/caerbannog666/photos
http://www.myspace.com/caerbannog666/photos/17286555
http://www.myspace.com/caerbannog666/photos/4486705#{%22ImageId%22%3A4486705}
UPDATE: In retrospect, it should be noted that people are free to dress up any way they want, whether it be in the dark style above, or as a superhero like Professor Scott Mandia (aka SuperMandia), leader of Michael Mann’s legal defense fund to keep those public emails from falling into the hands on an inquiring public.
I just find it humorous that Dr. Mann’s supporters are so, er, emotive.
UPDATE: 7/16/2012 Caebannog writes at his UT San Diego Forum:
Note: I will neither confirm nor deny that I am this individual.
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Anthony, just ignore this carp. Certainly there are political points to be scored, but only with our team. The opposition will just dismiss this as juvenile.
Pot, kettle … kind of thing, So, just chuckle and move on.
Caesar Augustus?! Geez, does someone have control problems? He(?) is quite the small fellow(?).
JB Goode
He would have been better of spending some of the costume money on his nose.
“REPLY: Yes and as a kid I had a Superman cape. I outgrew that both physically and mentally. I just think its funny. – Anthony”.
i quite agree Anthony, I found it hilarious as well. It would appear that a few need to develop a sense of humour(sic). I have not seen sour grapes like this since Gore demanded that he be taken seriously. Laughter is the best….etc..Some of the grumps may want to remember that.
Bleeka?
Does it go by any other names in the blogosphere…….
Sad that Mann has been relegated to the bush of twitterland, but how appropriate; otherwise, he’s of no consequence.
No sentient adult of that appearance is serious about anything whatever. Why not just drape those obsessive/neurotic habiliments over a Hockey Stick graph and call in the white-coats?
My “friday funny” is that MM looks up to Erhlich. That is sooooo funny.
uninformedLuddite said on July 13, 2012 at 6:24 pm:
Excellent. Grant Foster is a musician too. They can get together and form a new band.
In keeping with modern spelling conventions for such, and to reflect their other mutual interest, I suggest they name the group Klimate Konfusion Khaos.
It’ll look great on the T-shirts.
Unreal, the only thing that annoys me more than alarmists is holier-than-thou skeptics – please get over yourselves.
This satirical post was completely on target by Anthony. I laughed my ass off when I read it. Sorry to break it to the sensitive, politically correct types but I find the “goth” look childish, disturbing and idiotic and so does most of society. If you look like that you really kill your job opportunities.
The science arguments come and go but Mann retweeting the goth kid, Caesar Augustus Rossi Carvalho (Caerbannog) becomes the thing of legend. Well done Anthony.
View from the Solent says:
July 13, 2012 at 9:49 am
mat says:
July 13, 2012 at 7:37 am
Oh god another Goth fallen for the Crow syndrome that’s the one where you think you are a mad avenging angle ……
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Acute, obtuse, or reflex?
[ sorry, but it is Fridya …]
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Silly bunny, it’s a right angle, of course!
Anthony, have you considered a video series of WUWT? As gigantic an undertaking as that might be, ……
I apologized if you have answered this question umpteen times.
Regarding this thread; I have reservations about mocking a youthful person, for I was young once too, ….. Not pity but understanding. Caerbannog666 is just trying it on. Someday he may look back and grimace a little.
Tolerance is one of the magic ingredients of WUWT IMHO.
I’m sure when Anthony posted his Friday Funny this week, he thought readers would have a well deserved chuckle & move on.
But the trolls have really taken this one to heart. They seem to be getting really bitter & twisted about this “ad hominem attack” (although there was no such thing in Anthony’s comment).
In fact, Caeser isn’t even interesting as a troll and I for one genuinely couldn’t care less what kind of image he likes to portray. Both his photo, and Scott Mandia’s photo are actually pathetic. In the old sense that they tend to arouse the emotion of pity. (But at least Scott uses his actual name).
But, remarkably, the most interesting comment here (in my book) is:-
“Menth says:
July 13, 2012 at 8:22 am
Also from Mann’s Twitter feed:
“@PaulREhrlich Thanks Paul–means a lot coming from a hero & guiding light for all of us engaged in efforts to communicate environmental risk”
Thanks, Menth!
I doubt anyone will be even a little surprised that Meltdown Mann thinks that the fifth grade eugenicist and incompetent pseudoscientist Ehrlich is a hero. But it is nice to have further actual proof that these nasty crooks and dangerous anti-human greenies get off on each other.
And, for the avoidance of doubt, that last paragraph was an “ad hominem attack”. (Although a mild one). It was intended to be one and I stand by every word of it.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that sacraments are outward signs of inward grace, instituted by Christ for our sanctification. On that Reductio ad absurdum basis, Caesar’s salad appearance is an outward sign of inward turmoil and ignorance, instituted by stupid Mann for our edification.
This is IMHO the lighter side of Caerbannog666, the pic up top. The pic he uses as his public image on the forum mentioned, where five pages of commenters challenge him, I find revolting as a visual image, even if it is “only” a reference to Monty Python’s Killer Bunny.
So thumbs up, no ad hom smell to this… but good to see the discussion around this issue…
I think this post was a bad move, Anthony, and it is more than likely to backfire in one way or another. You or Willis, cannot demand others to question what you say instead of who you are, and then do this. You lose all credibility. Plus, all the implications are dead wrong. What do you mean with this? Do you know how anybody in the world that you may have ever cited likes to dress? Do you mean that between all your followers there cannot be people with a similar appearance to that of Caerbanogg? Anything you try to imply about Mann just because he cited a guy who dresses funny, if not directly related to the comment itself, is unfair and wrong.
i’m with rattus. the difference between mann’s posting and your posting is, you want your readers and yourself to laugh at the person in the picture (at least your post reads that way, even with the update), mann laughs together with him.
I’m happy to see many skeptics skeptical and showing a sense of human decency, despite our differences. I join them in condemning this post.
I’m writing under a pseudonym here and it’s my right to do so. And even though it’s not that hard to find out a thing or two about me through google, I definitely would not appreciate being publicly exposed and ridiculed here, Anthony. (Although one might argue it’s an honor, a sign of recognition…)
One bridge too far.
I would appreciate an apology and retraction. Please don’t do this again in the future.
Not that it will make a difference – particularly given the research skills and arithmetical prowess (combined with history of the internet) showcased here – however, since twitter is being referred to …
https://twitter.com/caerbannog666/status/224013602351362048
Won’t make much difference. The blog post has served its purpose.
If Mann keeps promoting his book, can I keep promoting my CAGW song?
I think most commenters are missing the significance of this post. Caerbannog666 is an anonymous nobody and what he says is of little importance. It is Mann’s re-tweeting of his comment that is important.
In my opinion, it could only be viewed as an ad hominem attack if the tweet were unrelated to the climate debate. But clearly it is Mann’s work as a climate scientist being compared to Salk’s work as an immunologist that he obviously relishes. I think Mann sees himself as a saviour figure. In that light the comparison with Scott Mandia as a “caped climate crusader” is entirely appropriate. This ‘saviour complex’ (for wont of a better term) comes through in much of the warmists writings (e.g. Hansen and Al Gore). They see themselves as on a crusade or, as the title of Mann’s latest book suggests, fighting a war -the 384 page book Mann felt compelled to write, promote and tweet about because the skeptic attacks were such a distraction from his important work saving the planet.
Many people accept what climate scientists, like Mann, say because they can see no reason why they would do anything underhand. Their motivation and psychology, including their vanity, ego and hubris, is a valid subject for scrutiny.
H.R. says:
July 13, 2012 at 2:14 pm
anonymous says:
July 13, 2012 at 12:09 pm
“Jonas Salk’s vaccine was infected with the SV40 monkey virus which causes cancer, he may have been responsible for killing millions, so maybe our gothic friend’s analogy makes more sense than you realise. Its a death thang!”
Credible references please. I’m skeptical.
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if you doubt that sv40 was in the vaccine googletube maurice hilleman, bernice eddy, if you doubt it has any connection to cancer you could look at sv40foundation.org where you can find an overview and links to published nature journal articles. if you want more i would suggest the book “the virus and the vaccine”, and as a follow up Ed Haslan’s book Dr Mary’s monkey is interesting, albeit speculative, not least of which is an sv40 connection to david ferrie, jfk etc.
Bill Tuttle says:
July 13, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Huh. I was one of the kids in the test — when do I get my monkey cancer?
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as a 30 year smoker, when will i get cancer?
as I understand the details, sv40 acts as a p53 suppressor so inhibits the ability of your immune system to suppress cancer.
the point and comparison i was putting forward is that the road to hell is paved with good intentions and I see much irony in mr gothic’s iron lung/green agenda analogy.
Perhaps it would be different if Anthony had received the photo of Caerbannog666 anonymously in the post and then published it claiming that it had come from Caerbannog’s MySpace site. Caerbannog’s photo is a not just a record of how someone happens to look. He has obviously gone to some length to achieve that “look” and has chosen to present it to the world. I think it fair to say it is how he wants the world to perceive him.
Following on from my previous comment, some have pointed out the similarities between Caerbannog’s look and that of the comic book character The Crow.
So Michael Mann whose latest book proclaims he is fighting a war propagates comparisons between himself and a saviour figure like Jonas Salk. The man who made the comparison dresses up as an avenging angel (The Crow) and Scott Mandia, Mann’s legal counsel, dresses up as a “caped climate crusader”, and publishes a photo. I think that is worthy of comment.
Oh come on people get real!
The picture above is not the climate warmist – he is Brazxilian (or italian) and a heavy metal band member.
from his myspace page:
Status: Married
Hometown: Belo Horizonte – Brasil
Body type: 175cm / Body builder
Religion: Atheist
Zodiac Sign: Cancer
Children: I don’t want kids
Smoke / Drink: Yes / Yes
Education: In college
Occupation: Hell’s Drums Avenger
age 31? (hover over picture)
Caesar Augustus Rossi Carvalho’s (Caerbannog) Band
http://www.myspace.com/music/player?sid=65194316&ac=now
The person you wish to denigrate is:
From Caerbannogs comments he seems to have an excellent English ability, and from his youtube profile is from USA and is 57 years old!
by caerbannog666
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http://www.youtube.com/user/caerbannog666/feed
His tweets seem to back his age
caerbannog666@caerbannog666
I posted this above
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/13/friday-funny-dr-michael-mann-keeps-interesting-company/#comment-1031952
with a link to another site. Anthony refuses to update the posting without caerbannog stepping forward.
One is innocent of being a warmist, the other is innocent of being a goth!
REPLY: Maybe, but the title of his Myspace album is “Mine Old Pics” so they may well be many years old. Since the guy is just another anonymous phantom with a silly handle (albeit a very unique one) it is hard to tell about these snipers. Reading his comment feed though he certainly doesn’t act in his 50′s, and the IP address is in the USA as stated in his YouTube Profile where “climate and stuff” got that info. So far all he’s done is make a tweet with the link to this that says “swing and a miss”. Given his history of volatile and hateful commentary, you’d think that if I identified him as the wrong man, he’d be writing daggers there and leaving angry comments here demanding a retraction. But he isn’t. So, I’m skeptical. People lie about their age every day, it is probably the most common lie by adults. Maybe he wanted to appear older to be taken more seriously. Or, 57 could be a typo. And he could have moved, and could have changed his mind about his personal life. I just don’t know. There’s just not enough information.
He’s the only one that can ascertain whether he’s one and the same or if in fact there are two different caerbannog666 identities on the net, or if they are simply one and the same and those are old photos or the age listed is wrong. If caerbannog666 wants to reveal himself (and he can demonstrate that privately to me if he wishes) so I can verify who he his, I’ll gladly make a correction if warranted.
In the meantime, its a Friday Funny, everybody lighten up.
– Anthony