We love you too Mikey. At least we know he reads WUWT. Get a load of this response to the above:
Tom Nelson has a collection of points about Dr. Mann’s work worth repeating here on the DKE context.
Dunning–Kruger effect – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than average. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their mistakes
- Priceless ClimateGate email 682: Tom Wigley tells Michael Mann that his son did a tree ring science fair project (using trees behind NCAR) that invalidated the centerpiece of Mann’s work
- ClimateGate scientists on Michael Mann and his work: “probable flaws” and “clearly deficient”, and “crap” and “way too defensive”, oh my!
- 2002 Briffa email mentions Mann’s “diminishing support” and the “questionable nature of much of Mann’s verbiage”; says “Mike could be a lot more open about the real uncertainty of his early temperature estimates”
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A few points of my own:
1. Dr. Mann initially agreed to, then stormed out of a TV interview at the OC Water Summit when he found out the local TV station was interviewing Mr. Sowell because of the question he asked.
2. Dr. Mann blocks me on Twitter (and many other people who might ask him inconvenient questions), so I can’t respond.
3. Unlike Dr. Mann, WUWT does allow guest posts from people with alternate viewpoints.
4. I’ll be happy to publicly debate Dr. Mann anytime. If I’m as stupid as he suggests, it should be cakewalk for him.
What are the bow and hockey stick hunting seasons for deer and his ilk?
Jonathan Smith: “When engaged in debate with people who have a superficial knowledge of climate change I offer my views and then tell them to read this site, …”
Now we know how Michael E. Mann found his way to WUWT.
Lucy Skywalker says:
June 27, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Q: How many climate scientists does it take to change a light bulb?
My understanding is that Michael Mann is of the belief that only he himself is required for the task, as he need only hold the bulb, and the universe will revolve about him.
I have been a major pusher of the idea that the AGW believers are suffering from Dunning Krueger. In fact I read about this several years ago and started mentioning it. As for people on our side of the issue suffering from it, that is laughable since all we do is examine and counter our opponents arguments, not dismiss them and run away. In fact its because of the opposite reason, that people against AGW are in the fight.. they are looking at all the data and then
countering it, not ignoring it. Our confidence only grows when we see our forecasts ( ie the leveling off and now reversal of temps) coming true, not ignoring or denying it
To be fair to the unfair; Mike’s Nature Trick was not a straight up temperature switch/splice ala mode.Jones and the WMO graph.
davidmhoffer says:
June 27, 2012 at 9:10 pm
At the pace it goes, that explains why he’s never screwed in a bulb. It might also explain a lot of other things.
Ignorant question? Did it only have two definite articles? And was one of those upside down?
Anyone remember the dénouement in “Magnum Force”?
The final scene of the movie is a close-up of Callahan’s face in front of the raging inferno (CAGW) as he says, “A Mann’s got to know his limitations”, before he walks away.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnum_Force
One has to wonder if Mann has ever seen this document or whether he actually writes all of these scientists off as well !
http://ntrhma.blogspot.com/2012/06/31487-american-scientists-have-signed.html
It does appear to be that obvious on the web, maybe a problem on our part.
Mann is like a bear in a tree. He can’t climb any higher and he can’t come down.
Poor soul. It will get him, not the reverse.
So I hear your plea,
Ray says:
June 27, 2012 at 3:21 pm
People, it should be time we define the: Mann Syndrome
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How about…
Mann is like a bear in a tree. He can’t climb any higher and he can’t come down.
…At least its a starting point.
I would call him an out and out fraud when he knew what he was publishing was faulty. It was biased and science can not afford to be biased as its strength lays with its data and conclusion. To ignore the MWP and MIA surely shows that AGW is not at all the problem. Pollution in cities is a different thing as is the UHI but CO2 is not the problem, scientists (?) Like Mann, Hansen, and that Gore have the IPCC clapping and putting their hands out. Wot a joke. Wind turbines falling over (off shore Denmark) plus the other problems with the solar industry. And electricity going up all the time. I wrap up in my house to avoid putting on an electric fire. They have banned wood burning where I live or are trying too. Elderly people go to bed and watch TV or cop an enormous electricity bill each winter.
My doctoral thesis is rotting away somewhere in my book case. I am glad that I don’t have to defend it for the rest of my life.
Kev-in-UK says:
June 27, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Arguing with a fool only requires that you lower yourself to their level…………seriously, don’t bite, it’s a pointless waste of your valuable time!
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I think the old saying “Never agrue with an idiot, They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience” should be the watchword here
Can I suggest some “I’m with the WUWT ilk” merchandise?
“what a piece of work is Mann.” NOT!!!
Mannic says it all really.
“1. Dr. Mann initially agreed to, then stormed out of a TV interview at the OC Water Summit when he found out the local TV station was interviewing Mr. Sowell because of the question he asked.”
Sowell’s question was riddled with ignorance, and was framed in such a way so as to attack the personal character of Mann. Mann explained this in a clear answer, so if a TV station insists on stirring up controversy over erroneous information, then Mann was more than justified in “storming out”.
“2. Dr. Mann blocks me on Twitter (and many other people who might ask him inconvenient questions), so I can’t respond.”
You respond on your blog, is that not enough? Also, you are free to register and attend conferences and presentations by Mann where you could ask him questions face to face. Finally, if you have scientific arguments, you can submit them to a peer-reviewed journal.
“3. Unlike Dr. Mann, WUWT does allow guest posts from people with alternate viewpoints.”
Really? That’s not the experience of Dana Nuccitelli (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/06/15/james-hansens-climate-forecast-of-1988-a-whopping-150-wrong/#comment-1010313)
“4. I’ll be happy to publicly debate Dr. Mann anytime. If I’m as stupid as he suggests, it should be cakewalk for him.”
As I mentioned above, go to one of his public talks and face up to him there, like Sowell did. By the way, the tweets were referring more to the posts of WUWT users rather than you (Watts). Also, the DKE does not imply that the people in question are stupid. It implies that they are overestimating their competence on climate science, i.e. ignorant of their incompetence. Imagine somebody who knows nothing about football screaming at a player on TV who she/he thinks should have played the ball otherwise.
Cheers,
Garrett (@ga2re2t on Twitter)
Lucy Skywalker says:
June 27, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Q: How many climate scientists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: None. The bulb’s OK. The power station’s been shut down.
u.k. (us) says:
June 27, 2012 at 4:58 pm
I just saw the added twit feed.
I kinda like being an “ilk”.
Me, I’m a Kiwanian.
I REALLY hope that MM IS reading these posts.
I have never seen such a conceited, egotistical, non-entity in all my life..
….and I have taught 14-15 year low IQ high school students. !!!!!!!!!!!!
So MM, stick it where you have probably had many thing stuck before !
He really is a sad character.
Pointman
Supposedly Mann’s job is to generate projections.
He does a beautiful job of projection in the Freudian sense, but an atrocious job of projection in the futuristic sense.
Maybe he just misinterpreted his mission.
Inevitable Mann.
Uttering “Dunning-Kruger” is Godwin’s Law rewritten for the Twenty First Century.
Dunning & Kruger received an Ig Nobel award for their work, being adjudged among other criteria, a discovery “that cannot, or should not, be reproduced”
Pay attention Mann. One of the variables measured by D-K is Humour, “discovering” that the witless are just not funny.
Policy Guy says:
June 27, 2012 at 11:45 pm
Mann is like a bear in a tree. He can’t climb any higher and he can’t come down.
Mama Gaia will get him down…
Michael Tremblay says:
June 27, 2012 at 7:34 pm
…the worst ones are those who fall into the category of suffering from DKE because they refuse to admit they made a mistake, learn from that mistake and carry on – many ordinary “ignorant” people have paid with their lives because of this type of person exists in positions of power.
That’s an excellent description of a sociopath.