We love you too Mikey. At least we know he reads WUWT. Get a load of this response to the above:
Tom Nelson has a collection of points about Dr. Mann’s work worth repeating here on the DKE context.
Dunning–Kruger effect – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than average. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their mistakes
- Priceless ClimateGate email 682: Tom Wigley tells Michael Mann that his son did a tree ring science fair project (using trees behind NCAR) that invalidated the centerpiece of Mann’s work
- ClimateGate scientists on Michael Mann and his work: “probable flaws” and “clearly deficient”, and “crap” and “way too defensive”, oh my!
- 2002 Briffa email mentions Mann’s “diminishing support” and the “questionable nature of much of Mann’s verbiage”; says “Mike could be a lot more open about the real uncertainty of his early temperature estimates”
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A few points of my own:
1. Dr. Mann initially agreed to, then stormed out of a TV interview at the OC Water Summit when he found out the local TV station was interviewing Mr. Sowell because of the question he asked.
2. Dr. Mann blocks me on Twitter (and many other people who might ask him inconvenient questions), so I can’t respond.
3. Unlike Dr. Mann, WUWT does allow guest posts from people with alternate viewpoints.
4. I’ll be happy to publicly debate Dr. Mann anytime. If I’m as stupid as he suggests, it should be cakewalk for him.
He won’t debate you because bullies and liars are usually cowards …
When did Man become sentient? And when will Mann become sentient?
I am always happy to refine and enhance WUWT’s knowledge base in the few areas where I can claim some small expertise.
In common usage “ilk” is indeed used to mean “type” or “sort” but the original word has a strong element of place in its meaning.
So, “of that ilk” actually means, “from that place” and by implication, of that Clan or Family.
Think, “-hood” or “neck of the woods”.
Being an archaic term it is most often used humorously, otherwise its use might be considered a little pretentious…hmn.
Anyhoo, I guess WUWT is a place, albeit a virtual place and it is populated by many people who I am more than happy to be associated with; so I guess you could say that I for one am rather proud to be of this ‘ilk’!
Mann’s second twit infers “mendacity”.
I looked it up.
mendacity:
1.The fact or condition of being untruthful; dishonesty.
2.A lie, deceit or falsehood.
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The man just can’t stop digging.
Let’s bury him.
CUNNING-CRUDER EFFECT
CRASHING-BLOOPER EFFECT
BORING-SCOOPER EFFECT
DROOLING-STUPID EFFECT
Mann has perfected D-K himself. WUWT has taught me that with skilled rogues, the first thing they do is accuse opponents of their own unrecognized talents.
Wendy says (June 27, 2012 at 1:20 pm): “yes but when you debate him and win, what does that make him? ;-)”
Imaginary. The real Michael Mann would never debate Anthony Watts.
Q: How many climate scientists does it take to change a light bulb?
A1: None, they don’t know how.
A2: Ten thousand, and they’re claiming they need twenty thousand because it’s worse than expected.
A3: Five, well that actually means just Mike Mann but he has inflated the recent number.
The psychological research most relevant to Michael Mann is this: “Why the Unskilled Are Unaware: Further Explorations of (Absent) Self-Insight Among the Incompetent”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2702783/
Lucy Skywalker says:
June 27, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Q: How many climate scientists does it take to change a light bulb?
A1: None, they don’t know how.
A2: Ten thousand, and they’re claiming they need twenty thousand because it’s worse than expected.
A3: Five, well that actually means just Mike Mann but he has inflated the recent number.
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A4: None. They prefer the Dark Ages.
Dunning–Kruger……
My Mann, it takes one to know one.
Lucy Skywalker says:
June 27, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Cute. 🙂
Watts and his ilk? I like it.
Example of a professorial integrity
(reported in the recent news by none other but odious Seth Borenstein):
“At the National Zoo in Washington, humans who try to match recall skills with an orangutan’s are humbled. Associate Director Don Moore said: “I’ve got a Ph.D.; you would think I could outthink an orang, and I can’t..”
Prof. Mann could borrow some humility there.
We redneck primates are not as simple as they thought.
(And some of us got IQ off the scale, too.)
Q: How many climate scientists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: All of them.
They sell the hot air telling people how light bulbs should be banned because they are bad for the environment… and keep the climate change.
Anyone who uses the DKE to describe their opponents is very likely to be suffering from the DKE themselves because they are suffering from arrogance of academic elitism and “mistakenly rating their ability much higher than average.” (Wikipedia)
“Academic elitism is the criticism that academia or academicians are prone to elitism, or that certain experts or intellectuals propose ideas based more on support from academic colleagues than on real world experience.” (Wikipedia)
I have personally encountered this attitude on several occasions dealing with university educated Engineers who have no inkling of how things run in the real world but continue to insist that they are right based on the fact that they have a degree – the worst ones are those who fall into the category of suffering from DKE because they refuse to admit they made a mistake, learn from that mistake and carry on – many ordinary “ignorant” people have paid with their lives because of this type of person exists in positions of power.
“@ga2re2t Indeed. Though ‘ignorance’
(rather than say, mendacity) is perhaps a
charitable interpretation of the behavior of
Watts and his ilk”
Wow, Anthony. We knew you had a dog, but an ilk, too? Cool. Got pictures? Is it a member of the Union of Concerned Scientists like Kenji?
MAGB says:
June 27, 2012 at 6:58 pm
The psychological research most relevant to Michael Mann is this: “Why the Unskilled Are Unaware: Further Explorations of (Absent) Self-Insight Among the Incompetent”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2702783/
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Not sure how to take this comment, but as an unskilled incompetent it may weigh upon my self-insight, for a moment.
Then I will ask for the data.
It was publicy funded, was it not ?
Mikey: “Though ‘ignorance’ … … interpretation of the behavior of Watts and his ilk”
Golly gee whiz Wally, if M.E. Mann, the AGW Climate god, Tweeted it then it must be for reals.
{Barrel rolls eyes}
Re: Marian says:
June 27, 2012 at 3:15 pm
“At least we know he reads WUWT’
Depending on his level of reading comprehension.
It appears he’s unable to ‘read’ tree rings. 🙂
Tea leaves, tree rings; are they really so different?
I have noticed a change in the candor and demeanor in the climate blogosphere recently by the Climanista’s. They must be fed from similar sources to the ” Enhanced Mannic Fructose ” dispensed/displayed in this post which proves to be quite “Unbelievable” !
Not only Man-handled, but CAP LOCKED!
A sure sign a Liberal is acting on emotion instead of intelligence.
Never bring a Hockey Stick to a science fight.
(That’s why Mikey’s never shown up–he’s completely out of his league here.)
When engaged in debate with people who have a superficial knowledge of climate change I offer my views and then tell them to read this site, Climate Audit and then others such as SkS and invite them to make up their own minds. The most frequent comment that comes back almost invariably praises WUWT/CA and expresses shock at the vehemence of the others.
“Watts and his ilk?”
Mike, learn to spell.. its “elk” !!!!
You puerile little moronic git !!!
Mikey: “Though ‘ignorance’ … … interpretation of the behavior of Watts and his ilk”
I’ll take credit for all the “ignorance” expressed on WUWT.
If he had just a smidge of meekness he could learn something from the rest of you.
( won’t bother quoting Will Rogers this time.)