We love you too Mikey. At least we know he reads WUWT. Get a load of this response to the above:
Tom Nelson has a collection of points about Dr. Mann’s work worth repeating here on the DKE context.
Dunning–Kruger effect – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than average. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their mistakes
- Priceless ClimateGate email 682: Tom Wigley tells Michael Mann that his son did a tree ring science fair project (using trees behind NCAR) that invalidated the centerpiece of Mann’s work
- ClimateGate scientists on Michael Mann and his work: “probable flaws” and “clearly deficient”, and “crap” and “way too defensive”, oh my!
- 2002 Briffa email mentions Mann’s “diminishing support” and the “questionable nature of much of Mann’s verbiage”; says “Mike could be a lot more open about the real uncertainty of his early temperature estimates”
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A few points of my own:
1. Dr. Mann initially agreed to, then stormed out of a TV interview at the OC Water Summit when he found out the local TV station was interviewing Mr. Sowell because of the question he asked.
2. Dr. Mann blocks me on Twitter (and many other people who might ask him inconvenient questions), so I can’t respond.
3. Unlike Dr. Mann, WUWT does allow guest posts from people with alternate viewpoints.
4. I’ll be happy to publicly debate Dr. Mann anytime. If I’m as stupid as he suggests, it should be cakewalk for him.
I had to look that up on Wikipedia. I like their Bertrand Russell quote; it seems quite apt:
One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision
One thing Mann has is certainty 😉 I admit that Mann does have a certain genius: his ability to Mannhandle people.
With all palatable respect, Mann, I called out Sowells question as poorly constructed here on wuwt. Did your echo chamber appropriately call out your lack of substantive answer?
Dr. Mann; >Dunning-Kruger:>pot:>kettle>:black
Personally, Anthony, I would not bother to give the arrogant so-and-so the time of day.
Chris
yes but when you debate him and win, what does that make him? 😉
Dr. Mann is in the learning stage of being unconsciously incompetent.
“Priceless ClimateGate email 682: Tom Wigley tells Michael Mann that his son did a tree ring science fair project (using trees behind NCAR) that invalidated the centerpiece of Mann’s work”
Oh, interesting. That introduces an omitted variable bias.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omitted-variable_bias
If they were aware of this problem, as they must have been at least since Wigley’s mail, did they examine it? Are there publications from them discussing it?
The date is “At 10:03 PM 6/5/2003 -0600, Tom Wigley wrote”
If they didn’t follow up on this, does this turn the omitted variable bias into scientific misconduct?
he’s been repeating himself hasn’t he.
in other news: obsessive compulsive disorder often leads to one’s mind quite literally evaporating.
To borrow a quote from YJB/Bill on 3840 (80m morning net) which characterizes Mann quite succinctly given his past performance (a persistent track record in which he continually applies and defends statistical techniques on dodgy/cherry-picked samples et al):
. . . . . . . . ” Never in doubt but often wrong. ”
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Steve McIntyre —> Mikey Mann —> Dunning-Kruger effect.
An ego-blinded tyrant is an ego-blinded tyrant. The only difference between them is the level of their influence. Let’s hope Dr. Mann’s level continues to decline. Better yet, let’s not rely on hope, let’s ensure that it does. Thanks for your efforts, Anthony…
Exactly! If the science is on his side then he can for example come up with numerous, peer reviewed research showing that there is a worsening trend of weather extremes. Perhaps he could show as the acceleration in sea level rise – it’s got to be hiding somewhere. What about explaining WTF global warming has to do with the Mount Kilimanjaro ice cap.
He won’t debate and neither will Phil Jones, and all the other alleged climate scientists because the science was adjusted and tweaked to suit their paymasters desires. Simple as that.
It is amazing how often people like MM make accusations against individuals which in reality are just projections of their own behavior.
I can plagiarize with the best of ’em!
1. You’re reading my comment¿?
2. Now you’re saying/thinking that’s a stupid fact.
4. You didn’t notice that I skipped 3.
5. You’re checking it now.
6. You’re smiling.
7. You’re still reading my comment.
8. You know all you have read is true.
10. You didn’t notice that I skipped 9 too.
11. You’re checking it now.
12. You didn’t even notice there are only 10 facts.
With kind regards to whomever created this apt little gem 8)
Hey Mikie, I know you visit here so why not come on here and answer questions about the hockey stick? It isn’t so big of a deal for you as you seem to have the time. C’mon now lets kill this bird with a bit of stoning, what say you?
How about the HAVE SCHTICK WILL TRAVEL effect?
GCMs (Global Climate Models) lack substance because they ignore a lot of important things. GCMs are illusionary. No one should consider GCMs as conforming to some established and supposedly proper methodology. That is why they are therefore more social than scientific. They are not natural. And, the character of a GCM will never have more substance than the characters that fabricate them who then pass them off as a reliable snapshot of future reality.
http://evilincandescentbulb.wordpress.com/2012/06/27/climatist-have-schtick-will-travel/
If you read this, Dr. Mann, please tell us just when and with whom you’ve ever had a debate about the Hockey Stick? (People that agree with you don’t count.)
If you don’t want to answer here yourself, have one of your mannequins do it.
How anyone can read the climategate emails and come out of it with any respect whatsoever for the major players in the climate sweepstakes. Any person who supported the “consensus science” after that, has tipped his hand as a hidden agenda ideologue if he based his belief on their work. The same is true of the whitewash crew who investigated the integrity of the main players.
I’m stunned that Mann would publicly acknowledge his Dunning-Kruger Effect affliction. Even more stunned he could make that self assessment or even recognize it.
But again, he evades the real subject of Sowell’s intent and shifts the focus to the inaccuracy of Sowell’s question.
Man, this guy’s like a teenager, isn’t he?
Why does a scientist need a Twitter feed? I think he not only has a persecution complex, but he is a celebrity wanna-be, complete with the fragile ego and the need to aggrandize himself at all times.
Why People Fail to Recognize Their Own Incompetence
David Dunning1,
Kerri Johnson,
Joyce Ehrlinger and
Justin Kruger
+ Author Affiliations
Department of Psychology, Cornell University, Ithaca, New York (D.D., K.J., and J.E.), and Department of Psychology, University of Illinois, Champaign-Urbana, Illinois (J.K.)
1.David Dunning, Department of Psychology, Uris Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853-7601; e-mail: dad6@cornell.edu.
Abstract
Successful negotiation of everyday life would seem to require people to possess insight about deficiencies in their intellectual and social skills. However, people tend to be blissfully unaware of their incompetence. This lack of awareness arises because poor performers are doubly cursed: Their lack of skill deprives them not only of the ability to produce correct responses, but also of the expertise necessary to surmise that they are not producing them. People base their perceptions of performance, in part, on their preconceived notions about their skills. Because these notions often do not correlate with objective performance, they can lead people to make judgments about their performance that have little to do with actual accomplishment.
more soylent green! says:
June 27, 2012 at 1:53 pm
“Why does a scientist need a Twitter feed?”
Book promotion.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Hockey-Stick-Climate-Wars/dp/023115254X
I’m certain he’d be able to identify it immediately, being a fellow sufferer of the condition.
How many “climate scientists” are there in the world? Tens of thousands? I’m not sure why the world needs so many, but can we please let some of the scientists NOT mentioned in the Climategate emails have some publicity?
Dr. Mann enjoyed worldwide fame prominence when his Hockey Stick graph was given such a prominent place in the IPCC report.
As everyone now knows, thanks to Steve McIntire, the peer-review on the hockey stick paper failed to uncover the fatal flaws.
The Little Ice Age did exist. So did the Medieval Warm Period even though the hockey stick graph essentially eliminated both.
Mann’s debunked work no longer has a prominent place, and that most likely rankles.
It is quite interesting that Mann chose to evade the actual question and instead discussed the unintentional switch of the name Briffa for Bradley.
A gentleman would have gently corrected that minor error then answered the question.
But, as I stated during the TV interview with David Nazar at PBS KOCE, it may be that Mann has been advised by his attorneys not to speak about such things until the litigation is resolved.