Revkin on the Gergis et al 'on hold' affair

I promised Andrew Revkin yesterday that I’d give his post on Gergis et all some attention, because he’s done a good job of summarizing it all, plus getting some other angles, such as that of Retractionwatch. I was especially pleased to note that he reports that the blogosphere is becoming increasingly important as a tool of peer review. Unlike The Team, David Karoly had the good sense to at least acknowledge McIntyre’s contributions. Below is an excerpt of Revkin’s article. – Anthony

Australian Warming, Hockey Sticks and Open Review

By ANDREW C. REVKIN

A much-cited study (paper here) concluded last month that the extent of warming in Australia in recent decades was so great compared to climate variations in the last millennium that it had to be mainly the result of warming from the human-driven buildup of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. (Here’s a video interview from May with the lead author, Joëlle Gergis from the University of Melbourne.)

It’s the latest research in more than a decade of work producing a climate “hockey stick” — graphs of global or regional temperatures showing relatively little variation over a millennium or more and then a sharp uptick since the middle of the twentieth century (the blade at the end of the stick).

Now the paper, at the request of the authors, has been “put on hold” by the Journal of Climate after questions were raised publicly about one of the researchers’ methods, starting with a comment on Steve McIntyre’s Climate Audit blog. This field of study uses sophisticated statistical methods to derive meaning from scattered and variegated indirect indicators of past temperature — with tree rings being the most familiar example.

It is unclear whether the problem will affect the study’s conclusions. Depending on the result, readers of the initial burst of news could end up with a familiar sense of whiplash.

To see how quickly the research results made the rounds, check the headlines here. My unfavorite would be “IT’S OFFICIAL: Australia is warming and it is your fault,” in the Herald Sun. This is a classic case of what I’ve been calling “single-study syndrome,” the bias in the news process toward the “front-page thought” and tendency to forget that science is a herky-jerky process.

Over the weekend, I got in touch with David Karoly, one of the paper’s authors … who wrote:

As I said in my e-mail to Stephen, “This is a normal part of science. The testing of scientific studies through independent analysis of data and methods strengthens the conclusions. In this study, an issue has been identified and the results are being re-checked.”

Indeed, this is an increasingly normal part of science these days. While the blogosphere comes with lots of noise, it also is providing a second level of review — after the initial round of closed peer review during the publication process — that in the end is making tough, emerging fields of science better than they would otherwise be.

Read the full article here, well worth your time for the additional comments Revkin included from others.

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Steve McIntyre also has some additional thoughts in a new post yesterday: More on Screening in Gergis et al 2012. The first section reads:

First, let’s give Gergis, Karoly and coauthors some props for conceding that there was a problem with their article and trying to fix it. Think of the things that they didn’t do. They didn’t arrange for a realclimate hit piece, sneering at the critics and saying Nyah, nyah,

what about the hockey stick that Oerlemans derived from glacier retreat since 1600?… How about Osborn and Briffa’s results which were robust even when you removed any three of the records?

Karoly recognized that the invocation of other Hockey Sticks was irrelevant to the specific criticism of his paper and did not bother with the realclimate juvenilia that has done so much to erode the public reputation of climate scientists. Good for him.

Nor did he simply deny the obvious, as Mann, Gavin Schmidt and so many others have done with something as simple as Mann’s use of the contaminated portion of Tiljander sediments according to “objective criteria”. The upside-down Tiljander controversy lingers on, tarnishing the reputation of the community that seems unequal to the challenge of a point that a high school student can understand.

Nor did they assert the errors didn’t “matter” and challenge the critics to produce their own results (while simultaneously withholding data.) Karoly properly recognized that the re-calculation obligations rested with the proponents, not the critics.

I do not believe that they “independently” discovered their error or that they properly acknowledged Climate Audit in their public statements or even in Karoly’s email. But even though Karoly’s email was half-hearted, he was courteous enough to notify me of events. Good for him. I suspect that some people on the Team would have opposed even this.

McIntyre goes on to explain the “screening fallacy” (or the cherry pick if you will) in detail.

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Chris B
June 12, 2012 7:16 am

” I was especially please(d)…

ferd berple
June 12, 2012 7:29 am

There is a large body of evidence showing that statistically faulty screening methods are the cause of the “hockey stick”.
http://cooley.libarts.wsu.edu/schwartj/pdf/Geddes1.pdf
Most graduate students learn in the statistics courses forced upon them that selection on the dependent variable is forbidden, but few remember why, or what the implications of violating this taboo are for their own work.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2841687/pdf/nihms-184032.pdf
In particular, “double dipping” – the use of the same data set for selection and selective analysis – will give distorted descriptive statistics and invalid statistical inference
https://gate.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/wiki/whynhow/images/d/d0/Vul_Kanwisher_chapter.pdf
In general, plotting non-independent data is misleading, because the selection criteria conflate any effects that may be present in the data from those effects that could be produced by selecting noise with particular characteristics…

Rob
June 12, 2012 7:34 am
Phil C
June 12, 2012 7:38 am

<i.I was especially please to note that he reports that the blogosphere is becoming increasingly important as a tool of peer review.
Depends on your definition of “peer,” doesn’t it?
REPLY: Depends on your definition of “troll” too. – Anthony

June 12, 2012 7:38 am

Disappointing. – gavin

DirkH
June 12, 2012 7:43 am

My, my. NYT, what have you become.
E-mail exchange between Mann, Michael, and NYT, Revkin:
http://tomnelson.blogspot.de/2011/11/2009-chummy-emails-between-mann-and.html

June 12, 2012 7:43 am

Revkin’s coverage of Gleick’s reinstatement at the Pacific Institute was also a balance article, IMO. He did not overlook the careful language of the Pacific Institute’s press release, and points out how suspicious such language is:
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/08/peter-gleicks-pacific-institute-return/

Jeff Alberts
June 12, 2012 7:49 am

As I said in my e-mail to Stephen, “This is a normal part of science. The testing of scientific studies through independent analysis of data and methods strengthens the conclusions. In this study, an issue has been identified and the results are being re-checked.”

Riiight, that’s why Gergis refused to send McIntyre data. Independent analysis is ok, as long as your buddies are doing it.

June 12, 2012 7:50 am

Nice to see some actual journalism under the NYT banner for a change. Nice synopsis, Mr. Revkin!

June 12, 2012 7:52 am

“Climate science” definitely needs a better class of peers than the ones they have at the moment…

June 12, 2012 8:05 am

“This field of study uses sophisticated statistical methods to derive meaning from scattered and variegated indirect indicators of past temperature”
Is that another way of saying “voodoo science”?

June 12, 2012 8:11 am

While at university in the ’70s, I recall a lot of bad papers passed our way and were dismissed by our professors as unworthy as a result of a number of issues. They got through the peer-review process despite their errors, but this was not a big deal: they were simply ignored. It seems to me that there never was a time when bad papers made it to press. The difference today is that the politically driven immediacy of so-called climate science puts every pro-warmist word on the front page while putting the hand of the climate scientist (or his organization) in the taxpayer’s pocket.
I feel sorry for Gergis and others. Funding that is “policy relevant” perverts the progress of research and understanding because it applies not just to the top 20% of investigations, but, if possible, ALL investigations. Who hasn’t seen silly studies that are not climate/global warming related that drag the AGW concept into at least the title? That desperation is not just about vanity for the authors, but getting funding for the department.
The recent no-reason termination of an Oregon State University professor who had the temerity to question a subject (AGW) that, according to his comments, brought in $90 million per year, and was the liberal platform of the Governor, demonstrates the dominance of policy relevance to survival, not just comfort, of research these days. The elimination of targeted funding would end such harrassment, as well as fanatical defensiveness a la Penn State and Michael Mann.
I’m in the corporate world. I understand that if you ain’t got no money, the company, not just your job, disappear. Were Penn State and Oregon State to lose their climate study funding, because AGW was no longer a focus, there would be serious consequences. Financing is now so subject-specific and subject-determined, a hiatus in the worry-of-the-moment would also collapse on-going programs not related to the One. Activity follows spending. There is no backup pool of money to take care of tomorrow what won’t be paid for today.
Universities and government research centers do not enjoy stable financing. They eat what they kill. Plus they expand to utilize the funding levels available, just like any ordinary corporation. Empire building, vanity and an over-enthusiastic acceptance of their undying brilliance conspire, as in corporate America, to swell up to what the most recent harvest can support. Like the Anazazi Indians and the Mayans, they are in trouble when the rains fail. And like the Mayans, at least, they first try to solve the problem by declaring war on both the messengers, like McIntyre, or the competition, like the “unfriendly” journals. There is not just self-delusion and self-importance going on.
As long as government, policy-relevant and advocacy-based money is what drives research, we’re going to have the problem of what appears to be bad papers getting out. That is not really the problem. Research is done and decisions are made along the way that lead to erroneous conclusions. As long as there is time for the smell of such to waft up and inform the reader, this is both a normal and simple situation, a better one than requiring such a high level of peer-support that nothing gets done. These days, the push to make research make a buck – either in-house or in society, is the real problem.

Skiphil
June 12, 2012 8:30 am

Phil C and other trolls,
You may want to familiarize yourselves with a front-page “Nature” article meeting blog “peer review” superior to anything the vaunted “climate science” community had provided (I know Phil C and some other trolls were there for parts of this history, but like the generals of World War I you don’t ever seem to learn anything):
Climate AUdit on O’Donnell et al 2010 refutes Steig et al 2009
WUWT on Reviewer A responds
Bishop Hill on Steig in the dump
Jeff Id on Doing It Ourselves
Ryan O’Donnell on Coffin Meet Nail

June 12, 2012 8:31 am

Matthew W says:
June 12, 2012 at 8:05 am
“This field of study uses sophisticated statistical methods to derive meaning from scattered and variegated indirect indicators of past temperature”
Is that another way of saying “voodoo science”?
I call it BS.

jim
June 12, 2012 8:32 am

Revkin may seem like he’s “rebranding” his global warming stance, but in truth he is a lifelong watermelon at heart. Just read the climategate emails that involve Revkin. A leopard can’t change its spots. Just wait till the next issue that paints skeptics in a bad light, and you’ll see Revkin’s true colors again.

June 12, 2012 8:40 am

Sad – but unsurprising – that Revkin parroted the Gergis et al. conclusions in the first two paragraphs. And nothing in the headline to suggest a problem with those conclusions. It is only in the third paragraph that the persistent reader learns the real story – that the study was “put on hold” (not “withdrawn”) because of “questions.” Shoddy journalism.

Latimer Alder
June 12, 2012 8:47 am

c

I was especially please to note that he reports that the blogosphere is becoming increasingly important as a tool of peer review.
‘Depends on your definition of “peer,” doesn’t it?

In this case the external review by the independent guys found the error that the ‘professionals’ writing the paper did not notice in their three years work. The official ‘peer reviewers’ missed it too (or turned a blind eye).
So in this case at least I think Phil C is right. The supposed ‘professionals’ come a long way behind external reviewers Jean S and Steve McIntyre in expertise and ability. In no way can they be considered to be ‘peers’ of the CA crew.
This is all made especially piquant because of the intemperate and childish refusal by the lead author to release their full data for scrutiny. The CA guys had to work backwards to find the error. Which made it even more of a demonstration of statistical prowess. And casts yet further obloquy upon the hapless authors.

Chuck Nolan
June 12, 2012 9:01 am

Phil C says:
June 12, 2012 at 7:38 am
<i.I was especially please to note that he reports that the blogosphere is becoming increasingly important as a tool of peer review.
Depends on your definition of “peer,” doesn’t it?
REPLY: Depends on your definition of “troll” too. – Anthony
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Mostly it depends on your definition of "review"

LearDog
June 12, 2012 9:12 am

We’ve been lectured over and over that this is NOT how science works – that PEER review (and peer review only) is up to the task. So I am glad that Koroly and Revkin acknowledge that. UEA and Mann please take note.
But still I’m skeptical – that a graphic showing one thing and the Procedure section describing another – wasn’t caught by the authors, reviewers just under the wire for IPCC. A big mistake.

June 12, 2012 9:24 am

Andy Revkin,
Since Anthony graciously accepted your request to post your article here at WUWT, will you return a favor? Please respond to comments here at WUWT on this thread.
Andy Revkin, my question to you is: If you consider yourself well balanced journalistically on the subject of climate science, then please explain what basis you have to support your claim of being journalistically balanced on the subject of climate science.
I ask that question sincerely. Note: I have been generally critical of your past journalistic efforts wrt climate science.
John

June 12, 2012 9:40 am

jim says:
Revkin may seem like he’s “rebranding” his global warming stance, but in truth he is a lifelong watermelon at heart. Just read the climategate emails that involve Revkin. A leopard can’t change its spots. Just wait till the next issue that paints skeptics in a bad light, and you’ll see Revkin’s true colors again.
Possibly, but some leopards CAN change their spots – I submit John Stossel as an example. Only time will tell.

pokerguy
June 12, 2012 9:44 am

“Andy Revkin, my question to you is: If you consider yourself well balanced journalistically on the subject of climate science, then please explain what basis you have to support your claim of being journalistically balanced on the subject of climate science”
Useless, pointless question. By his lights, he is fair and balanced. And for a generally warmist guy with an appeal to the “precautionary principle” ever at the ready, he is reasonably fair. Just because you disagree with someone, it doesn’t necessarily make him a bad guy, or “in the tank,” or a double-dealing villain.

just some guy
June 12, 2012 10:13 am

What I don’t understand is: Why would they not focus on revising the theory at this point? Is that not what the scientific method calls for? All this attention being given to “screening methods” seems backwards to me.
Here’s my quick and dirty, layman’s attempt at scientific method…..
Theory 1: Tree’s respond to warmer temperatures.
Results: Only a small sampling of the tree rings tested actually fit the model. Of that small sampling, the growth actually slowed down with late 20th century warming. (divergence problem)
Theory 2: Some trees respond to warmer temperatures. Other trees respond other conditions. (moisture, sunlight, soil conditions, etc)
Results: Untested….
Theory 3: The trees that do respond to temperature, will grow fastest at a “sweet spot”. Below that sweet spot, tree ring widths get smaller. Above that sweet spot, tree rings widths get smaller.
Results: Untested (since a confirmation would mean 10-12th century temperatures could be much warmer than today)……..

Latimer Alder
June 12, 2012 10:16 am

On this evidence, blogospheric review appears to be far suPEERior than just ordinary peer/pal review.

June 12, 2012 10:31 am

Latimer Alder says:
June 12, 2012 at 8:47 am
thanks Latimer, nicely put.

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