…and retweets from his phone:
Twitter / caerbannog666: CRU now uses NMS homogeniz
[Retweeted by Michael Mann] CRU now uses NMS homogenized data. Want NMS raw data? Ask NMS’s for it. WUWT’ers too dumb to figure that out.
Twitter / MichaelEMann: @edbegleyjr @B4Blast @Piac
@edbegleyjr @B4Blast @Piacats Right back at you Ed 🙂 Here’s the other photo. After a few drinks I think… pic.twitter.com/05N6lbmp
(Don’t blame me, if Dr. Mann wants to post publicly viewable pictures on his Twitter feed showing himself “after a few drinks” while simultaneously suggesting other people are dumb, who am I to argue?)
h/t to Tom Nelson
For the record, we know they use homogenized data at CRU, its the raw data we want. But Jones doesn’t want to share (more on this at Lucia’s here)Maybe if we get a few drinks in him?
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Michael Mann can chug beers with any fruity radical green activists he likes, but it sure does show the kind of radical he is under the veneer of “scientist”…… Mann is the kind of guy who considers a socialist rag like “The Nation” to be mainstream and a bit too conventional.
re: Ed Begley, Jr., perhaps we need to publicize a list of all practitioners who do not have their degree in “Climate Science” so that the public and policy makers will know who NOT to listen to…. start with Michael Mann, Phil Jones, et al.
“it’s the carbohydrates that cause obesity”
An old friend popped by the other day, with a 12 pack of beer, and after his 9th or 10th my wife suggested he try a sandwich she had prepared earlier. “Thanks, no” he said “I’m trying to cut back on the bloody carbs”.
davidmhoffer says:
June 2, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Sorry for harping on this, but let me make the point in a different way.
Yes Mr Mosher, I know about your tool and yes Mr Mosher, I’m up to the task if I choose to take it on. What you are missing here is that there should be no task in the first place, It should be easy. We’re talking grid data here. Nothing fancy, a spreadsheet with a few lines of dcoumentation and presto! all the data is available to everyone.
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well, it is clear you do not know what you are talking about. very few people on this thread do.
(I count Nick Stokes as one of the few people on this thread who does know what he is talking about in this regard )
lets start with CRUTEMP4 data. It’s monthly data. No monthly data is raw. None. It is all processed from daily data. The very process of creating monthly averages from daily data involves analytical decisions and choices in processing.
In CRU4 there are 4228 station monthly records put online. You can go download them today.
Since they are monthly data you have to ask yourself these questions:
1. What is original source
2. Did they make any changes from the original source.
Since they indicate that they make no changes or adjustments, the task of proving that they DO falls to you.
With regards to source data, raw source data for daily stations. That exists as well. GHCN daily
has over 80,000 stations of daily data. Me? I do care what monthly data CRU uses
I dont care what Monthly data is in GHCN. I just use use raw daily data.
You will find some cases where the monthly data exists but there is no record of the daily data.
pretty simple. Dont use the monthly data if you dont have the entire chain.
The immediate sources for CRU are here
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/crutem4/station-data.htm
When you read an inventory in you can see what the source for the station is.
Berkeley Earth do essentially the same thing so you can see what the sources there are as well.
Bottom line: You can, if you like, start with the ghcn daily stations. raw and turn that into monthly data. and then you can estimate the global temperature using CRU’s method.
Guess what? answer doesnt change
“But when it comes to the science itself, I have less respect for Steve. I’ve seen you rudely unperceptive, Steve, and you don’t seem to have a handle on the subtle corruptions of UHI and Jones’ still-unresolved complicity in Wang’s [self-snip] paper etc that puts UHI far too low and thus allows the homogenized data to appear acceptable when IMHO it is not.”
1. You have not kept up with any of the work being done in UHI and have no understanding of the various benchmarking exercises.
2. You have no idea or valid estimate of the UHI effect ( on a global level or local level) and so
your conclusion about what is “too high” or “too low” is mere opinion.
However, I will entertain a challenge. using daily raw data I suggest the following
A) you propose a test for the UHI effect
B) you must define a criteria for separating urban from Rural that is objectively measureable.
( hansen uses nightlights, choose your own )
once you choose that criteria you must live with the results of the test.
C. I’ll run a test comparing your urban to your rural.. and we will see what you discover.
Note, we are not looking for the effect in one city.. we are looking for bias in the global estimate.
On March 11, 2012, HADCRUT3 was truncated from 2012.08 to 2012.00.
Later it has been possible to see the data in HADCRUT3gl till 2012.25 (at WoodForTrees.org)
The trend since 2001 is now near -0.8°C (-1.44°F) per century.
This is sort of bizarre in a way. It isn’t so much what is said, but what isn’t said.
Manny boy (isn’t he one of the original pepboys mechanics?) said ‘WUWT’ers’;
not sceptics,
not skeptics,
not deniers,
not flat earthers…
Not any form of generalization referring to all non-CAGW alarmists, only WUWT.
Is WUWT the only place discussing Phil-(ippides wannabe) J’s general announcement of ‘Go fish’ to any replication requests for data? No, then why is the mannic guy so specific?
Seems to me Mr. Mannic suffered a Freudian tweet of the slip. Derision of nonalarmists struggling to understand climate science is one thing; dissing, specifically, the largest science blog that regularly finds the flaws in alarmist chicanery is a completely different aspect. In other words.
WUWT’ers sticks in the ‘my tonsure’s slipped’ one’s craw. Isn’t that delicious?
or
WUWT’ers is why the state pen guy is drinking, or is that drunk?
or
WUWT’ers keep the ‘haircuts are a buck and change’ guy up at nights and in bars.
Makes one so proud to be a reader here!
The pizza problem.
my missus is a Coeliac(celiac), she wanted to buy a pizza. The big question is – does the pizza contain gluten ?
She has two ways of finding out, she can read the box, Or she can got to the people who supplied the base foodstuffs to the pizza manufacturer, to ask if any of their produce contained gluten.
The second method is so stupid, because no matter what they tell her, she could never be certain what was in that box, and the pizza makers would shrug their shoulders and say ‘not our problem’