A student in despair over Romm's 11°F temperature increase article – if this comment was reversed, it would be called a 'death threat'

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Fatih Birol, the Chief Economist of the International Energy Agency, at a conference in Vienna, 22 June 2009. Photo by Mikhail Evstafiev (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

UPDATE: 5/30 8:45AM After we pointed it out Romm has now snipped the ugly part of the comment seen in the screencap below, it only took him five days to notice it with our help. The original post in entirety is preserved here http://www.webcitation.org/682NzGF0b – Anthony

UPDATE2: 5/30 3PM Reuters has issued a correction, removing the 2050 reference and replacing it with (towards the end of this century) See http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/05/30/co2-iea-idUKL5E8GO6B520120530

UPDATE3: 5/30 4:3oPM In response to being called out, Romm issued one of his usual jihads, insinuating with the help of Eli Rabett aka Dr. Joshua Halpern that everybody else is stupid but him, and that we really will all roast. He trots out his favorite predictive Wheel-of-Climate! again.

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It’s a laugh riot. But Romm didn’t start questioning the story until AFTER other people started to question it, and he passed it on with no caveats in the original post, archived here. He did make a note in comments saying “I meant to post that 2050 is obviously a mistake by the reporter.” but never actually did make any caveat in the main body of the post until he found himself embarrassed by it all. He also deleted (5 days later after we pointed it out ) the ugly commentary about death wishes for “coal/oil people” (see below).

The level of noise today is telling, much like the “voodoo science” claims of Pachauri. – Anthony

This is sad. Joe Romm promotes another overt fabrication, and some poor kid writes in despair, hoping all the “oil/coal people” here die “a horrible death, preferably caused by climate disasters”. If that were sent to somebody at ANU, it would by the Appell/Stokes rule, be declared a “death threat”. Since it’s on Romm’s site, the poster gets sympathy and counseling instead of admonishment. See below.

First, Romm’s reporting of an overt fabrication of 11°F temperature rise by 2050 by Fatih Birol.

The claim of 11°F  comes from this Reuters news article . It cites Fatih Birol, the chief economist of the IEA, who says:

“When I look at this data, the trend is perfectly in line with a temperature increase of 6 degrees Celsius (by 2050), which would have devastating consequences for the planet,” Fatih Birol, IEA’s chief economist told Reuters.

Of course 6°C =11°F, and given the climate sensitivity figures bandied around by the IPCC, there doesn’t seem any way these numbers can pencil out.

Hans von Storch writes on Die Klimazwiebel that this is “pure alarmism”:

A forth interesting issue is that climate science has become irrelevant; it shows up in passing, when “limit devastating climate effects like crop failure and melting glaciers” is mentioned, and the quote “the trend is perfectly in line with a temperature increase of 6 degrees Celsius (by 2050)” is made.This is a pretty bold prediction, given that we have so far less than 1 degree warming since pre-industrial times, so that the warming must be more than 5 degrees/38 years, i.e., about 0.7-0.8 deg/decade. I consider this pure alarmism, which is related to the timing, and a misuse of scientific analysis for creating some unsustainable short term drama for the Bonn-negotiations.

I wonder if this 6-degrees claim is really from IEA, or just an addition by Fatih Birol, because is no not mentioned in the IEA’s announcement.

Even Joshua Halpern, aka “Eli Rabbet”, says in comments the claim by Birol makes no sense:

Not having a BS detector that works on himself, Romm runs with it, embellishing it with this bit of propaganda:

As Birol said of 11°F warming late last year, “Even School Children Know This Will Have Catastrophic Implications for All of Us.” If only school children ran the country.

And following his rant, we get this comment first up from a school age child:

And not one person in the thread following that comment, not Halpern, nor even Romm himself, says anything about the death wish, or even suggests to the poor kid that saying such things are unacceptable. There’s agreement in the silence. There’s no significant disagreement with the feelings of doom espoused either. It is really depressing for the lack of reality based discussion.

I have to wonder though, if this kid has ever driven or ridden in a car, or used electricity made from coal. Maybe he/she thinks such things are powered by the grace of the green energy fairy.

If the situation were reversed, Romm, Appell, Halpern, and the whole cast of haters would be all over it as yet another example of how terrible skeptics are.

Their double standard behavior is disturbing. Romm should be ashamed of himself, but he won’t be, because he’s paid a six figure salary to promote this garbage.

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May 29, 2012 9:21 pm

To get to that target by 2050 you would have to be seeing a .7C increase every 5 years. Or in other words, the entire warming of the last century would have to be manifesting itself every 5 years. So when will it start?

ferd berple
May 29, 2012 9:23 pm

In my hometown today, between morning and afternoon, there was a 11F warming. Deaths were in the millions as people burst into flames on the streets and in their houses. A similar trend was found in cities around the world. Tonight the human races faces certain extinction as a result of a 11F temperature rise felt around the world as sure as daytime follows night. News at 11.

James Sexton
May 29, 2012 9:25 pm

Clearly, we’re in the age of stupid. We already knew about alarmists vile misanthropy, but each day I become more and more in awe of their unyielding stupidity.

ferd berple
May 29, 2012 9:29 pm

In 2050 pretty close to 1/2 of the people on the earth today will have died. In excess of 3 billion people. Of these 3 billion, it will be found that 1 million died as result of stress and worry over climate change resulting from alarmist propaganda. Fully 50 million will have died as a result of poverty induced by diversion of resources to less efficient production. The rest died because it was their time.

Jenn Oates
May 29, 2012 9:32 pm

Not to mentioning encouraging a teenager to feel so hopeless about the future. If I had a student who was like that I’d be referring him/her to counseling ASAP.

May 29, 2012 9:35 pm

Their double standard behavior is disturbing.
You are implying that they actually have standards…

Brian H
May 29, 2012 9:37 pm

Jenn Oates says:
May 29, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Not to mentioning encouraging a teenager to feel so hopeless about the future. If I had a student who was like that I’d be referring him/her to counseling ASAP.

Forget that. Counsellors would ‘validate’ his worries. Just have him read any dozen posts on WUTW, picked at random.

May 29, 2012 9:40 pm

It’s actually not a threat, and that’s why it doesn’t matter whether the utterance came from an alarmist or a skeptic.
“I hope you die and rot in hell” is a curse, which is a sin; but it is not “I hate you and I’m gonna kill you” which is a death-threat.
REPLY: Right, and my point is that none of the ANU messages were death threats either, as the former ANU Chancellor Chubb verified yesterday. They were all just rants/curses…but they got elevated to death threat status by a overzealous news media and hyperbloviating bloggers like Tim Lambert and David Appell. – Anthony

May 29, 2012 9:50 pm

To anyone truly concerned about the fake threat of climate change that they cry at night like 17andsacred, please consider the following point.
The number one cause of unnatural death is government, not climate change. Throughout history we can see:
Nero, Caligula, Hitler, Mao Tse Tung, Stalin, and Pol Pot to name a few. Today it’s UNESCO, NATO, the US Military Industrial Complex, etc. …not climate change. Please try to focus on real threats to human life in reality, not in some pseudo-scientific climate cult.

John F. Hultquist
May 29, 2012 9:57 pm

17 years old? I don’t think so. 7, maybe. If really 17, he or she is unhinged.

Robert of Texas
May 29, 2012 9:58 pm

This kid is obviously depressed and needs counseling. When someone is caught up in negative emotions they have no ability to think straight – I hope this kid recieves help. Its really sad that people are using children to score political points.

jimboW
May 29, 2012 9:58 pm

I might be missing something, but I get an increase of over 1.3C per decade, not the 0.7 – 0.8 HvS says (I assume he just did an accidental reciprocal calculation of the missing 5+C over 38 years). That means all of the observed warming over the last century, every five years or so.
Do we know if anyone, maybe even ol Fatih himself, is prepared to place a big fat ol’ bet on this?. I’ve got $10k or so I’d like to place against it, so long as we can have the bet decided in the nearer term (say on getting that 1.3C by 2022)

May 29, 2012 10:05 pm

Just posted this in reply to the poor child’s post:
David Ross says:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
May 30, 2012 at 1:03 am
First, please don’t wish death on anyone. Second, please don’t worry yourself, the actual changes so far in recorded history show us without a doubt that this is nonsense, there is no way the temperature will change by that much, it is pure unscientific political alarmism designed specifically to scare people like you. They are using you and scaring you with imaginary bogey men.

James Sexton
May 29, 2012 10:07 pm

Oh, if you wonder where or how in the world those children got that way, they catch them young……. DirkH showed this to me….. It’s an education site for very young children…. http://www.primolo.de/node/8532 It’s German, but I used Google translate for it here…. http://suyts.wordpress.com/2012/05/29/why-our-kids-just-arent-getting-climate-change/
It includes some of the dumbest statements. And, they’ve even got replicable experiments! And, when they grow to be about 17….. well with that sort of instruction, by then, in order for self preservation from stupid, a student would have to uncritically accept blathering bs from imbeciles such as Romm and Birol and the 11°F rise in < 40 yrs.
You know, its funny…. I'm afraid for our future …. maybe even more than the 17 y/o….. but, for very different reasons. How does one raise a child to respect their elders and follow instruction from authority when there's a bunch of raving lunatics attacking their young intellect?

May 29, 2012 10:07 pm

First comment by a school kid? What a nice coincidence. I wonder if 17andscared is bald.

Chuck Nolan
May 29, 2012 10:12 pm

Jenn Oates says:
May 29, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Not to mentioning encouraging a teenager to feel so hopeless about the future. If I had a student who was like that I’d be referring him/her to counseling ASAP.
——————-
I’d refer them to WUWT.
No better place to learn.

May 29, 2012 10:15 pm

Can I post it? Another case of:

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May 29, 2012 10:17 pm

… in regards to “Romm’s 11°F temperature increase” hoopla that is …

GeneDoc
May 29, 2012 10:26 pm

Stop scaring the children. Reprehensible behavior by “adults”. Indoctrination at its nadir. Way to ruin a life. And a society. Cynics and pessimists do not make for a healthy culture.

Neville
May 29, 2012 10:28 pm

Tell that poor kid that the planet managed to warm very rapidly and naturally 11,500 years ago. In Greenland and Venezuela the temp increased 10c in just ten years, that is 1c every year for a decade.
Naughty planet to behave so badly and without the help of the few humans around at the time. But seriously these adults (?) are a disgrace.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/abrupt/data4.html

intrepid_wanders
May 29, 2012 10:38 pm

Fatih Birol is just regurgitating the vomit of a 2007 sci-fi book and NatGeo production.
http://www.marklynas.org/about/
Not surprising that the Royal Society thought this nonsense was pretty good.

DirkH
May 29, 2012 10:38 pm

Alexis says:
May 29, 2012 at 9:40 pm
““I hope you die and rot in hell” is a curse, which is a sin; but it is not “I hate you and I’m gonna kill you” which is a death-threat.”
No, it’s not a curse; a curse would be “Your descendants shall turn into frogs”. It’s a death wish.
My wish, OTOH, is: I hope the kid grows a brain.

Katherine
May 29, 2012 11:02 pm

omnologos says:
First comment by a school kid? What a nice coincidence. I wonder if 17andscared is bald.
My thoughts run along the same lines. More likely “47 and scared of an end to the gravy train.”

Nick in Vancouver
May 29, 2012 11:05 pm

Is this for real? Does the chief effing economist for the effing IEA think the world is going to be 6 degrees hotter by 2050?. This man advises governments and energy companies. We really are doooomed, but not by AGW, by AIS, advanced institutional stupidity, it has infected academia, government, the UN and now the IEA. God help us.

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