The “I Can Change Your Mind about Climate” website of the ABC TV in Australia reminds me of the famous phrase “your gonna get your mind right, Luke” from the 1967 classic movie “Cool Hand Luke” with Paul Newman:
The round1 voting, which I talked about here, is over, and the skeptics, listed as “dismissive”, well outnumbered the alarmists, looking to be 2 to 1, as seen in this Google cache image from Apr 26, 2012 11:50:33 GMT, ending with 19,900 votes counted:
Now, they profess to have changed people’s minds with their video and website, and Round 2 voting is open here…the alarmists have a lead.
So for those of you in Australia, no matter which side of the debate you are on, you can vote again.
For expats living abroad, you’ll need to remember your old Australian postcode to vote.
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UPDATE:
Jennifer Marohasy reports that according to Jo Nova, the video interview with the skeptic side mainly ended up on the cutting floor:
“We did 4 hours of footage at our house, and they showed not one single point I made, not one answer to Anna Rose’s questions. I repeated my favourite lines about 28 million weather balloons, 3000 ocean buoys off by heart at least 4 times [which show no global warming and therefore a mismatch between reality and theory]. Obviously everything I said was too ‘dangerous’. But we have the full tape of the whole event, so sooner or later the world will see the parts that the ABC deemed to be not ‘interesting’ to the Australian public. So all in all, pretty much as we expected. They trimmed it down to the point where it’s tame, they gave the alarmists the last word (they always do)…”
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Smokey,
I’m quite sure your window is just fine from where you sit on your couch. I said skeptic – meaning YOU because the true word meaning is banned here. After moving from my comfortable couch and going outside – it hit me. Being seven at night I released the stars I was looking at was not the whole picture. That inspired me to go on a journey. Not easy for man over fifty but I was on the threshold of a new discoveries. I would look and I would BEGIN to take ownership over what I was fed by the TV. Then came the visits beyond the home to speak to real climatologists as my universe expanded. For every argument, I looked for the counter argument. Checked and cross referenced dates, graphs, blog popular commentary and science. My head spinning and reeling, it took me about two years to get my head around the physics and the studies of the radiative properties of CO2. With new understanding I came to see I was wrong, mistaken, tricked, hoodwinked and caught in a confirmation bias treadmill.
I realised for the first time – I was a fool. Stupid, lazy minded allowing Newcorp and Fox Networks to brain wash me into thinking it was all fraud. The journey of self discovery took time – over four years I remained undecided – an agnostic.
But over time whilst confronted with colleagues who thought the “baby” stuff of the anti-camp. I realised it was all clichéd nonsensical science argument. It went in circles. It was brilliantly implied to be a PUB or CON political of which I had to be anti-green, I had to anti-evolutionist. I had to hate liberalism. I had to be a libertarian and nothing else. I had become pure. Post-modernist stuff and new age stuff evil.
For me I felt dirty, grubby as I began to see. The ice core drilling proved 7 day literal creationism was wrong. Other findings pointed to progressive species of man – not explained. Irrefutable evidence was found across Europe. Then the next shift – climate change – global warming – the great mentioning for the last decade. I looked into it. Got away from the confirmation bias.
I found it it was real. It is a danger to our security. Our well being. We are utter fools in believing it is all going to go away. We utter fools to believe in oil, coal for all time.
Ultimately we often like the saying: “In God we trust”
Not really…………..
It’s more like: “In Oil and Coal – we trust”
The Q & A commentator for the night said multiple enteries were being accepted…makes a strange survey!!!
its now 53% not believing in AGW Dismissive plus doubtful. It is a watershed for Australia and for the ABC. I think you will find that from now on there will be less and less believers by the day
i’ve been using different email addresses and postal codes…
but then again, i live in Lost Angels,here in the People’s Republic of California, so theoretically i shouldn’t be voting at all…
i’ve been using different email addresses and postal codes… with no problem what so ever.
but then again, i live in Lost Angels,here in the People’s Republic of California, so theoretically i shouldn’t be voting at all…
I’m part of 44% dismissive. There was NO mention of the program on my social media.
That program was the final straw that signed me up to the “Privatise the ABC” collective. Let’s sell it to Andrew Denton who, with his wife, Jennifer Byrne, has lived off the ABC for the past 20 years.
I was able to vote without giving my email address, age, gender or postal code!
(BTW, I always try to give potential marketers as little information as possible. I hate getting unsolicited advertisements/spam.)
Oh, I was judged to be Dismissive. Even though I strongly believe that global warming is happening. It’s just that I don’t think mankind is causing it nor can we do anything to stop it.
Poll results are now:
Dismissive 45%
Alarmed 25%
Concerned 15%
Doubtful 9%
Cautious 5%
Disengaged 1%
2911 votes counted
A different view is put by the Guardian.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/apr/26/climate-change-sceptics-australian-tv-show?intcmp=122
They think it was a shameful production because it implied the science is not settled.
I’m guessing the Guardian doesn’t like the idea of public debate on this subject because their own comments page is full of alarmists looking ill-informed and very foolish.
rossbrisbane says:
April 26, 2012 at 9:57 pm: [ … … … … …, etc. ]
I’m told that Valium will help in your situation.☺
We need a concerted effort by all pro-science readers to take the ABC poll and reveal their interest in the truth and not the Warmist progaganda distributed by the ABC. We need to get the Dismissive vote well above all others.
If you want to see the actual percentages;
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/changeyourmind/inc/vote_central_results.htm
I have been watching the progress on the site since soon after they reset the tally.
At about 800 votes the Alarmists were ahead… not now. I wonder if the ABC (and others of like mind) might actually start to get the message?
However on reflection I don’t live in hope… I had a conversation about this with some friends to-day. One is a Labor supporter and he was “very impressed with Anna Rose” and “boy didn’t Nick Minchin get angry”?! Another hadn’t seen the show and seemed like he wanted to sit on the fence. Another was noncomittal as I realised he didn’t want to offend the Labor man but I do know how he filled in the survey and he was a “dismissive”. I let the bomb drop that I was a “climate sceptic” and that Jo Nova maintained that she was poorly represented. I didn’t go so far to suggest that Anna Rose was way out of line to bring up the “smoking thingy” with Richard Lindzen because I too didn’t want to offend my Labor voting friend too much.
I think their are many more out there of this ilk who will hang out to the bitter end!
We’re going to be seeing a lot more of these campaigns based on “polls”, not least because after the Shakun mauling and a few others like it more recently, it’d take a brave climate scientist to come up with a suitably alarming paper, which was so bullet proof, it couldn’t be torn to pieces in public.
http://thepointman.wordpress.com/2012/04/27/lies-damn-lies-and-polls/
Pointman
After 3105 votes.
47% Dismissive
24% Alarmed
Smokey says: April 27, 2012 at 2:32 am
Nope, we have more faith in our real gals here in Australia and their knowledge of science and real estate.
Friday light entertainment….
note khaki and eye roll….
<The Tide is High, I'm Moving on [Tim Flannery], I
I'm going to be your number one [Julia Gillard MP] and I don't give up just like that
Last week a beachfront house at Palm Beach in New South Wales, Australia, fetched $25 million.
I just thought I’d share this with the rest of the world.
That’s all.
Despite the fact that I answered that I was VERY sure that global climate change was happening (always has, always will), I was classified as “dismissive” and told that I did NOT believe that climate change was happenig.
I also answered that I spent a lot of time thinking about climate and so know what I am talking about.
WTF ????
I came out Dismissive yet truthfully noted that I voted Greens. (Which I did actually, just not on the West Island.)
Voted
3261 votes counted dismissive is pulling ahead by a length, Cautious and Disengaged are bringing up the rear.
Seems most of those taking the poll are firmly on either side of the fence ~DUH!
I would say, you have probably not been through the archives over at Climate Audit (examining the lacking ‘technical’ math and stats work by M. Mann and others).
As the ‘global warming’ proclamation is largely based on pronouncements based on statistical manipulation, the ‘running’ of questionable climate ‘models’ which find difficulty tracking even present-day temperatures, your journey has not even begun if you have not reviewed the questionable statistics employed by ‘climatologists’. Physical observations are running counter to these ‘models’ and other projections BTW, yet CO2 levels continue to rise …
As to your assertions about Fox, what do you subscribe to? MSNBC? C’mon, MSNBC recognized a market niche for the a segment of the population that was not addressed by Fox, a segment that gravitates to the likes of Rachel ‘Pat’ Maddow and Ed ‘The Rage-er’ Schultz, neither of whom are familiar with facts or logic.
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Direct-connect to the results so far:
http://www.abc.net.au//tv/changeyourmind/inc/vote_central_results.htm
HTML Page With Results
PostShow
Dismissive 48%
Alarmed 23%
Concerned 14%
Doubtful 9%
Cautious 5%
Disengaged 1%
3329 votes counted
Dismissive 49%
Alarmed 23%
Concerned 14%
Doubtful 9%
Cautious 5%
Disengaged 1%
(Total 101%)
3361 votes counted
I’ve just done the survey. It seems that I am Dismissive! Who’d a thunk it?
Gigatons of additional ice on both poles, sea level dropping… And I’m Dismissive …Gawd those questions were arrogant and condescending….Data VS wishful thinking consensus.
David Archibald says:
April 26, 2012 at 5:03 pm
A number of friends texted me to alert me that the show was on. I decided that my time would be better spent in a karaoke bar.
Methinks David A is properly disengaged.
David – I’m sure you enjoyed the evening. Wonderful fun!
And it’s:
Dismissive 49%
Alarmed 23%
Concerned 13%
Doubtful 9%
Cautious 5%
Disengaged
1%
3471 votes counted
David is one in a hundred.
Dismissive 49%
Alarmed 23%
Concerned 13%
Doubtful 9%
Cautious 5%
Disengaged 1%
3477 votes counted
And i am still a dismissinve!