Many of you are probably aware of some strange goings on over at The National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) with their Arctic Sea ice graph, specifically, this one here:
You see, up until Tuesday morning, it looked like this:
If you have a keen eye, you might spot the difference, particularly in the proximity of the endpoint of the blue line to the 1979-2000 average line. How does sea ice extent go backwards you ask? Steve Goddard of real-science.com was first to spot it sent out an email notifying many people of his post titled: Breaking News : NSIDC Gets In The Data Tampering Act. I wasn’t convinced there was deliberate tampering going on, because it seemed to me to have all the marks of a processing glitch or something similar, and I made that fact known to many last night.
The two graphs (before and after on April 16th) overlaid look like this:
So not only did the extent change, going backwards, so did the climatology for computing the 2007 line and the 1979-2000 average line. This all came to light about 6PM PST Tuesday night. There was no announcement of this change on NSIDC’s website then.
While it would be easy to start pointing fingers, especially with the timing of the change (right before the extent line looked to cross the average line), I decided the best course of action would be to start asking questions before writing anything.
So I fired off emails to NSIDC’s Dr. Walt Meier and Julianne Stroeve. Strove responded first, within the hour, indicating that she could not see anything wrong, sending the image from NSIDC’s “internal network”, which is the middle graph above. That’s when I sent her the overlay (the bottom image combining the internal image she sent and the web page output image), showing that indeed there was something wrong. The light bulb went on. Walt Meier (who was traveling) responded about an hour later, with this speculation:
Hi Anthony,
Thanks for letting us know. I have a guess at what this might be.
We’re starting to make some changes to our processing to update/improve things, including some you’ve suggested. One thing that we’ve decided to do is to change the way we calculate our 5-day average values. We’ve been doing it as a centered average – i.e., a given day’s value in the plot is actually an average of that day + 2 days before and 2 days after. This caused an issue at the end point because we’d extrapolate to get a 5-day average on the last day, which resulted in wiggles at the end that.
We’re now changing it to be a trailing 5-day average, i.e., a given day’s value in the plot is the average of that day and the 4 preceding days. This will take out the wiggle in the end of the plot (or most of it – there may be some change as sometimes we don’t get complete data and need to interpolate, and later (a day or two) we do get the data and process it.
A key point is that this change doesn’t actually change the data at all; in effect it simply shifts values two days later. In other words, the centered value for Day X is the same as the trailing value for Day X+2.
This change has been implemented in our test environment and we were going to roll it out some time in near future after we tested it for a bit we planned to announce the change. I think that by accident the test code got put into production. I’d need to confirm this, but from the plot differences, this looks like what likely happened.
We’ll look into this and get back to you. I’m traveling tomorrow, but will send a note to people and I or others will get back to you as soon as we can.
walt
That seemed plausible to me, but clearly, both Meier and Strove were caught off guard, and having prominent skeptics alerting you that your most watched public output has gone haywire certainly can’t be comfortable. But, I run a bunch of servers making automated output myself, and I know how things happen. So I gave them the benefit of the doubt, particularly since they were communicating and concerned themselves.
This morning, about 14 hours after the problem was first noticed, this news item appeared on NSIDC’s web site:
Click the image for the story.
That still didn’t explain why Meier and Stroeve were blindsided with news last night from Steve Goddard and I. I queried them more, and as it turns out, they were out of the loop on the implementation. The hand and foot of NSIDC didn’t seem to have coordination on this, and it went online with no notice. Tonight, I got this email from Dr. Walt Meier that explained it:
Hi Steve, Anthony,
I think you’ve probably heard from Julienne and seen the posts we’ve made. But now that I have a chance to respond, I’ll add a few words of explanation and some thoughts. If you want to post these, you’re welcome to.
Thank you to both of you for noticing the issue and bringing it to our attention. Let me clarify (in case it’s not already clear) and provide some context. We are well aware that the daily timeseries plot, as we call it, is closely watched, particularly during the summer melt season. We’ve received various critiques of the plot, which we have taken under consideration to change when we got resources to do it. One them was the “wiggle” in the last two days of the plot. The plot was initially, and by and large still is, meant to provide a simplified glimpse of sea ice extent. The focus was on creating a clean, clear, easy to read, easy to understand graphic. As seen in other plots, the extent is often fairly noisy from day to day. Some of that variation reflects real changes, but much of it is due to limitations in the accuracy of the data or short-term weather effects, such as storm front blowing the ice one direction or another for a short period of time.
Thus, to reduce the noise and better reflect the seasonal trends we decided to use a 5-day average (5 days is a reasonable, though arbitrary, time period to reduce synoptic effects). We chose a centered average because that seemed the most logical. This means the average value is always 2 days behind the latest extent value. However, people wanted to see “today’s” value. So, we decided to provide preliminary values for those last two days by using a simple linear extrapolation. When we got enough data for a full centered 5-day average, we replaced that with the final values. However, this means that the values for the last two days change and one can get a “wiggle” in the data, particularly where there is a day or two of steep change because that day or two gets extrapolated out to 5 days. This can be misleading because, at least for a day or two, the slope may look more extreme than it really is.
I think you’re both familiar with this because it’s been commented on in the past, but I provide the background again for the full context. We refrained from changing it because of three reasons. First, after initial confusion, people understood it, so changing it could cause more confusion. Second, changing the averaging method would slightly change things in comparison with our previous analyses, namely, the date when minimum and maximum extents occur (a shift of two days). This is a minor change, but could cause some confusion. And finally, third, we wanted to make a few other changes and needed to plan resources to do them, so we put this on the list of things to do.
Last week we started to work on some changes. This was simply planning – looking at our processing, assessing what needed to be change. In the process, it was noted that changing the 5-day average would be simpler than we expected and could be done quickly. So I gave the go ahead to do this and was informed a couple days later that it had been done. However, there was some miscommunication. I was expecting that we wouldn’t put it into production immediately, but our developers assumed that it was good to go, so it went into production. Though the change had been discussed amongst all of us, the decision to do it right away happened fairly quickly and I don’t think Julienne was aware that it was in the process of being done.
In any event, what we have now implemented is a 5-day trailing average – in other words, the value plotted for a day is the average of that day and the four previous days. What this means is that there should no longer be a little. The data that we plot on a day should not change and we won’t be doing extrapolation. We think this is a better way to display the data and I think most would agree.
Another issue that wasn’t immediately noticed was that the climatology shifted more than the daily. This is because the climatology used a 9-day average. I don’t remember exactly why this was chosen, but I believe it was to make it look just a bit cleaner, though since it is an average, it already is pretty smooth. And since we were using a centered average, 5-day vs. 9-day, makes little difference. For example, the 5-day average for April 17 is 14.797 million sq km and the 9-day average is 14.801, a difference of 0.004 (4,000 sq km). Effectively, there is no difference because we estimate the precision to be on the order of 0.05 (50,000 sq km). So as long as both the daily and the climatology used a centered average, there was a consistent comparison.
However, when the centered average is moved to a trailing average there is a relative change between the 5-day daily, which slides 2 days, and the 9-day climatology, which slides 4 days. Thanks to Steve for noticing this and pointing it out. We should have it changed to a 5-day by tomorrow so that the comparison plot will again be consistent.
As for the timing of this, as mentioned above, it was mostly simply due to opportunity – we had a chance to make the change, so we decided to do it. Also, knowing that we’re heading toward the summer melt season, it was advantageous to make the change sooner rather than later. As the extent line steepens going through spring and into summer, the “wiggle” is often more noticeable. So making the change now would remove the issue for this summer’s melt season.
The fact that we made this change as the daily extent was nearing the average was entirely coincidental. It never actually entered my mind because I didn’t think it would make any difference (and it shouldn’t once we implement a 5-day average for the climatology). In fact, the change should help because we won’t be using extrapolation that can misleadingly make lines on the plot look closer than what the data really indicate.
Even using a 5-day average, short-term changes in the extent should be taken with some caution. It would be interesting if we did match or exceed the climatology, simply because it’s been several years since it happened. However, the ice near the edge now is all seasonal ice and quite thin and will melt fairly quickly. Any anomaly now will have little to no effect on the summer extent or the amount and thickness of multiyear ice.
As a final, personal note let me make a more general comment. I am saddened that some people have become so cynical about climate scientists and climate data. I can appreciate that scientists have brought some this on themselves. And of course, a healthy dose of skepticism is essential to science. But it is disappointing to see people immediately jump to conclusions and assume the worst. I hope people will take from this explanation that NSIDC, and scientists in general, are working hard to the best we can, both in understanding the science and communicating it. We’re not perfect, we make mistakes. When we find them or hear of them, we try to fix them as quickly as we can and to explain what happened as best we can. I’m proud of our team for working very hard today to address the issues, fix them, and answer questions. I think they did a great job today. And in my experience with other climate scientist, I’ve seen nothing other than that same level of dedication.
Thank you,
Walt Meier
So in a nutshell, NSIDC made a goof in implementation, and in communications. I could find all sorts of criticism for that, but I think they are probably punishing themselves far more than anything critical I might say, so I’ll just let the incident speak for itself.
I will say this though, I can’t even begin to fault them for being upfront and quickly communicative. That is a rare trait in a government agency, so on that basis, they get high marks from me, as well as my thanks. I’m fully satisfied with the explanation.
On Thursday, we’ll likely see this problem rectified, and this time I’m pretty sure I’ll get an email in advance or at the time it happens. I look forward to seeing the changes. On the plus side Dr. Meier tells me that they plan to make the raw extent data available, and that will of course allow us to plot ourselves.
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UPDATE: 4/19 9AM PST NSIDC has the new corrected graph online – see this story
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Meirs’ long-winded attempt at plausible denial ignores two decades of experience that such mindless “adjustments” invariably reflect warmist bias inserted in subtly fraudulent ways. Quite possibly, NSIDC’s long-standing “climate of corruption” (sic) surfaced a true-believing hack who took it upon himself to rectify this affront to Holy Writ.
We note that Miers does not address either the necessary mechanics nor motivation of this contretemps, most certainly not specifying any stringent quality-control measures to prevent recurrence. Too bad that he and all his ilk find their credibility progressively deteriorating… we await the next episode, when NSIDC attribute polar bear population decline to radically dimenished schools of flying fish, exhausted by their constant efforts to leap above their globally-warmed habitat.
If not some such asininity, ’twill surely be another.
This reminds me of the ongoing Charlie Brown and Lucy saga where Lucy keeps yanking the football…
In spite of the open discussion about the graph,
I’m left with a subtle impression of an “intentional spin”.
“They” seem to keep yanking the football…
While I applaud and encourage NSIDC’s recent openness, my suspicions about certain climate scientists’ “motives” will be assuaged only when I see the cumulative effects of their record of revisions and “mistakes” accrue in a direction other than consistently “colder in the past and warmer now”.
Thanks Dr Meier for the explanation, however one is reminded of a cuckolded husband, who has not a clue, what his promiscuous wife is doing. The fact that this change was implemented just as levels were approaching normality, without notifying people internally or externally, cannot be merely dismissed as coincidence. Just as any man or woman who comes home to find their spouse in bed with someone else, is unlikely to believe they were in the same room (naked) by coincidence. We all trust our spouses… but get real. GK
Ágúst Bjarnason says:
I have been wondering why both the NANSEN Artic ROOS sea ice graphs has been frozen since April 5th.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/reference-pages/sea-ice-page/
I have been wondering that, too.
Scott says:
April 19, 2012 at 3:51 am
This cannot be the whole story, it does NOT explain the changes to the average line. KEEP PUSHING!
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Scott, Dr. Stroeve has acknowledged the problem…… http://www.real-science.com/nsidc-goes-full-meatloaf#comment-86509
But, as Latitude points out, even it they do it properly,
“changing the averaging to take out more noise…and show less ice….in the present
while not changing the averaging to take out more noise…and show less ice in the past
….will do what ? It will show a decrease in ice on their charts and graphs”
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I don’t really know what to make of all of this. One would have thought with the recent events in both climatology and in U.S. govt entities lapse’ in ethical judgment that one would go through great pains to avoid even the appearance of impropriety. Clearly, this wasn’t the case in at least one person in NSIDC. I’m not comforted by the fact that we’re paying an obliviot who thinks they can simply do what they will without an explanation. In today’s climate (no pun intended) this won’t do.
I can only echo the statements in response to Dr. Meier’s comment regarding cynicism. It may be that he felt obliged to put some thing like that in his explanation, but, that in itself seems a bit hollow. Dr. Meier should be fully aware of how, why and to what extent our cynicism arises. He has been one of the few who have engaged with skeptics on more than a few occasions, as has Dr. Stroeve. This is to both of their credit. I’m very sympathetic to their plight, but also, unapologetic.
I think its a big step for Dr Meier to admit/hint that some of his fellows have caused our cynical views by the way they acted. A few people have made similar comments…Judith Curry for example, though again she can’t quite bring herself to say it….name names guys!
But,,until mainstream ‘Climate Science’ has the b*lls to stand up and say “Yes, Michael Manns work, upon which so much store was set, is unscientific rubbish and we distance ourselves from it” then I’m afraid you are all going to be tarred with the same brush.
So I’m with Willis on this.
On the other hand, Dr Meier is prob in a very uncomfortable place, the pressure on him to conform (unless he is a manchurian candidate as some suggest) and not rock the boat must be huge.
Our host, is, as ever, playing the diplomatic hand here, and has chosen to take Dr Meier at his word. I can summise that there may be many back channel communications between our host and various climate people that we do not hear enough about, and off record, perhaps Dr Meier has a more, ahem, basic view of the actions of some of his colleagues. So I will take what I think is Anthony Watts word that Dr Meier is an ok guy in an awkward position.
But kudos to Steve Goddard on this for bringing it up (I was really worried about those polare bears for a couple of days…heh!).
Climate Scientists……we ARE watching you, the stuff you got away with in the past will no longer get past the scutiny of the blogosphere. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice….?
You need to get your house in order. If that means standing up to the alarmists within your ranks so be it. Are you all really that scared of calling out Michael Mann for example? Is he really that powerful within your community?
Pete says: April 19, 2012 at 7:20 am
Far better to reach out in a positive manner to the Dr. Meiers of the world, just as Dr. Meier chose to respond professionally and civilly to Anthony.
Pete, that may sound good, but in my experience it takes time and effort and money and connections and laboratories and a lot more besides to “reach out in a positive manner”.
If someone is prepared to give me a job as a sceptic, then I would have the resources to spend the time and effort being nice to people who have wholly distorted the science and brought discredit on all scientists.
Instead, the very people you are asking me to be nice to have preventing sceptics from getting funding, prevented them from getting their work published, libelled them as “deniers”, suggested we all be put in concentration camps for wanting real science and not voodoo non-science.
As I said, it takes time and money to make a coherent point politely. That is why in politics we don’t just have the government, we also pay people to be the “opposition”.
You have to pay to have a civil debate … in the end it improves teh debate.
instead, in climate “science” there has been an active campaign to get rid of opposition – worse there has been an active campaign to suggest that we impoverished sceptics who can hardly pull the money together to hire a hall for a meeting (I’m exaggerating a bit) are in the pay of big oil, When the likes of Hansen are making huge amounts of money on the side in government paid jobs.
As I say it takes time and resources to be polite. All I can say is that
… they are all a lot of f[snip]… dipshits.
Dr. Walt Meier says:
“As a final, personal note let me make a more general comment. I am saddened that some people have become so cynical about climate scientists and climate data. I can appreciate that scientists have brought some this on themselves. And of course, a healthy dose of skepticism is essential to science. But it is disappointing to see people immediately jump to conclusions and assume the worst. I hope people will take from this explanation that NSIDC, and scientists in general, are working hard to the best we can, both in understanding the science and communicating it.”
Dr. Walt: as I’m sure you’re painfully aware, your very own NSIDC director Dr. “Death Spiral” Mark Serreze has been one of the major players contributing to the cynicism. I for one am glad to see Northern Hemisphere sea ice increasing, if only to shut him up. And many of us echo Willis Eschenbach’s comments (April 18, 2012 at 11:30 pm).
On the other hand, thank you for your straightforward honest answers. It almost mitigates some of you boss’ buffonery. When Dr. “Death Spiral” finally gets the boot, I hope you get the job.
There is an old adage “The proof of the pudding, is in the eating”. I think Willis has been very kind in his criticsm of Walt Meier. In the days when Mark Serreze was the head of NSIDC, the reports were usually biased pro-CAGW; you NEVER saw an anti-CAGW comment. It is the same with Judith Curry’s Climate Etc. Judith has moved a long way from her very pro-CAGW stance, but you never see her ever making an anti-CAGW comment.
We have the April 2012 Arcitic sea ice data coming in. By the end of April, when another NSIDC report is due, some 20% of the melt season will have occurred. We can speculate that by this time there could be some very definite information, showing that the April data is above the average at the end of the month. This could be interpreted as indicating that by the time we get to September, there will be signs that the recent steady decrease is sea ice extent in the Arctic has been reversed, and the amount of sea ice in the Arctic could be increasing. This would be, of course, an indication that the predictions of the pro-CAGW camp are just plain wrong; that the Arctic is very unlikely to be free of sea ice in the summer at any time into the indefinite future.
Could we hope that, IF THE DATA WARRANTS IT, that the April 2012 report from NSIDC will, for the first time, have a distinctly anit-CAGW bias. If so, then we will know that Dr. Meier has understood what Willis is saying.
Dear Dr Meier,
While these new “adjustments may, or may not, be justified…by not advertising these ‘adjustments” before implementation – you leave a bitter taste. By leaving these “adjustments” to be shown the light of day by climate researchers, outside of NSIDC, you caused suspicion.
IMO:you can not, with a straight face, claim to be saddened at / by others, who question these unannounced / unadvertised “adjustments”.
Surely, these “adjustments” were planned? From your reply, it seems to have been a planned action for quite some time.
Why did NSIDC chose to not advertise these “adjustments” before hand?
While, I can appreciate your timely reply – I can easily question the shroud you provided by not advertising these “adjustments”.
Maybe, you think that you don’t owe anyone, other than government employees, “notification” …But Sir, I don’t see government employees as the actual payers of your salary, seeing how their salaries depend on the same taxpayer base that yours does.
thelastdemocrat says:Sure, it is arbitrary. But since, for better or worse, the ‘normal’ curve is symmetrical, you can visualize 1.9 std dev or 2.1 std dev if you like, and reference the corresponding frequency of occurrence.
Dude, don’t ask me to “visualize” what isn’t there and is totally crap anyway!
SHOW ME THE DATA!!!!!
I don’t need no stinking smoothers, with their not-so-hidden popomo subtexual spin. Okay? Why spin this way and that way? Huh, huh? What’s the subliminal message in that? Big bad gummit scientists need to arbitrarily massage the data for us poor dumb bunny civilians? How stupid do you think I am? Do you really want a 40-page explanation of why the pseudo-statistical massage method is politically biased pseudo-science? Nothing in nature is “normal” Dude. How stupid are you?
SHOW ME THE DATA!!@ur momisugly!@ur momisugly! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dear Anthony, if you get the actual data set for all observations since 1979, please post it online. I will massage it in my own fashion, because I don’t need gummit “scientist” gatekeepers fooling with it first. Thank you.
Willis may feel better for having expressed his grievance, but how does he know that Walt Meier did not condemn the climategate perpetrators? Meier’s comments seem to me to be what one would get from someone who has worked inside the system to promote ethical science. If so, he has good reason to be saddened by the predictable loss of trust.
Darkinbad the Brightdayler says:
April 19, 2012 at 12:42 am
Sure I can, that happens all the time. I have my cake, and then I eat it too. What’s hard is for me to do what the saying actually says, I can’t eat my cake and then have it too …
And I acknowledged him for that.
No, it doesn’t. It requires reading some of the climategate documents and noticing what is revealed there in the miscreants’ own words. It’s not rocket science. And if following tales of corruption, scientific malfeasance, and even law-breaking in your own field of work is too hard for you, find another field of work.
So your conclusion is what. Dr. Walt should stand in the bleachers? Dr. Walt shouldn’t stand in the bleachers? I don’t understand this metaphor at all. I took a stand on this matter, as did a few mainstream AGW scientists, Judith Curry being a shining example. Dr. Walt said nothing.
What is this, the “it’s too hard, it’s too complex” defense? The question isn’t theories of how the climate works. The main lights of the AGW movement are self-confessed to be lying, cheating, and stealing, and your response is to tell us about a “tartan weave of interlacing ideas”? What planet are you from, where mumbling about a “tartan weave” is a suitable response to the revelation of widespread corruption in a field of science?
The “business” as you call it of climate science is gone down the tubes, precisely because good men like Walt have done nothing. As a direct result of the inaction of Dr. Walt and the field in general, we have the situation Dr. Walt is “saddened” by, that people don’t trust climate scientists. As he said:
You seem to think that’s just fine, you say if Dr. Walt were your employee you’d expect him to keep his head down and his mouth shut like a good little boy … but that’s not a solution, that’s exactly why we’re in this mess now.
w.
Maybe they were at the GSA party!
Thanks Anthony,
Yes, it was a mistake and it has been corrected. Thanks to alert skeptics.
I jumped to the worst conclusion based on the general behavior of the “climate community”.
Now that the wrong has been righted, I’m back to distrusting and verifying.
Sera says:
April 19, 2012 at 1:56 am
Sera, I fear you missed my point, although I doubt it was because I wasn’t emphatic enough. The issue is not what Dr. Walt did. As I said above, he’s a guy who does the right things.
The issue is what he didn’t do, and most of the scientists in the field didn’t do. They didn’t speak out when the corruption was revealed. They didn’t take action against the perpetrators of the corruption. They didn’t clean up their own backyard, they didn’t do anything … and as a result, the whole field is tainted, and as Dr. Walt points out, people don’t trust him even though he wasn’t one of the perpetrators.
He seems to think that’s unfair or reflects a cynical point of view. Me, I think it is an inevitable and predictable result of his failure to speak out—people reasonably think, why should we trust him when he said nothing?
w.
Andy Wehrle says:
April 19, 2012 at 6:19 am
Andy, I know that, that’s why I’m trying to urge and encourage Dr. Walt to redeem himself in whatever way he can. That’s why I said,
w.
bones says:
April 19, 2012 at 10:03 am
Thanks, bones. What are needed are public statements. In the days after climategate, I hoped that the ethical, honest scientists in the field would take a public stand on the matter … foolish me. I wasn’t foolish to believe there are ethical, honest climate scientists. There’s plenty of them, Dr. Walt is a good example.
I was foolish to believe that they would stand up and publicly speak out for honest, transparent science. The problem is that in this case, working “inside the system” is not and cannot be the solution to the problem.
The problem is the loss of public trust that Dr. Walt bemoans, and that public trust can only be restored by visible public actions.
w.
Like Steven says ”…we should expect to see NSIDC cross above the mean in two days.” Why? because it already has.
I’m happy not everyone’s eyes are painted on!
Keep in mind that what we are calling “raw data” has already been through an innumerable number of processing steps. The raw data is an image, with pixels and values (probably black & white, but I’m not sure). Each of those values represents a level of brightness, which is affected by the time of day, day of year, cloud cover, shadows, haze, humidity. Now from these values, which are probably 0 to 255, or 0 to 1023, each geographic location probably has a standard for what is considered ice and what is not, at X% coverage, such that each location (pixel) can be assigned an “ice or not” bit. Then these have to be adjusted for projection, and so on. This is AFTER correcting for things like the haze, time of day, etc, each of which has its own algorithm that varies through the year, as does the standard, I presume. It is a glorified (and probably more capable) vision system just as used in industry every day. And it might be a mosaic of hundreds of images made up of even finer detailed images (I hope it is).
I don’t know the exact technical details, but the easy factors I mentioned come to mind. I agree with having another data set of just the non-averaged data posted every day, but if you think you are going to lock down the other 227 different knobs that can be adjusted at will, just by not averaging, think again. The only way ensure a consistent result is to make available each and every image over time, and see that the new algorithms come up with the same answer on historical images that the old algorithms did. This way you can detect how any algorithm changes affect the total ice area. That means we need every image, and every iteration of the code made available to detect how small changes in code affect the ice area. And a change log of what was changed in each processing step, and why. And a method of running the analysis ourselves. Anything short of that, and you don’t know what is real and what is an artifact, or a willful “adjustment”. This re-processing of old images with the new vision algorithms should be required and published as a means to prove a consistent result with no drift over time.
“A man is known by the company he keeps.” Dr. Meier ought to keep better company. Oh ya fleas and dogs comes to mind also.
Bill Illis says:
April 19, 2012 at 5:46 am
“Finally, something very unusual is going on with the Arctic ice is the last few months. The extent has really gone against the typical trend for this time of year. That is the big story here.”
Could it be that after all the strong winds compressing the ice during the winter now that the winds have lessened the ice is spreading out again.
Seriously, why the silence all this time? Are they warmist through and through and are just waiting for us to get fed up and leave, for the tide to change? Is it the academic form of Omerta? They see themselves as part of the progressive phalanx, and as such can’t break ranks?
Dr. Walt brought up the “sadden” business, saying climate scientists are reponsible for only “some of it”. I guess he’s just saying ‘how unfortunate’ all this contention and lack of trust is — while at the same time continuing to not break the silence. So the stalemate continues as per usual, while the progs in power continue to ram the warmist regs though non-legislatively. I feel so much better. Thanks, Dr.
Dear Dr. Meier,
I hope you are reading this thread carefully.
I’m sure you feel under attack – and you are, by what I call “Willis’s wolf-pack”. But the points made against you are very important, and require answers. I hope that Anthony will allow you the chance to respond on WUWT to your critics, soon.
Willis’s wolf-pack is, primarily, a scientific one; chasing down any deviations from the scientific method. But, when roused, we also become a moral wolf-pack, chasing down any deviations from the honesty and openness which must go with science.
You are the second individual to be subjected to this treatment. Judith Curry was the first, on 25 February 2010 (look back in the WUWT archives). And, because of how she handled that situation, I now have huge respect for her, even though I don’t know her personally, and despite a few wobbles. What I say of her now is, “The lady is a scientist; and the scientist is a lady.”
And what I would like to be able to say of you, soon, is: “Dr Walt is a scientist, and the scientist is a doctor, healing the corruption in his field.”
Cheers,
Neil