Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
It doesn’t happen often … some would say not often enough … but I’m speechless.
Truly, I don’t know what to say about this. I can only shake my head and point and laugh. They are truly getting desperate.
w.
Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
It doesn’t happen often … some would say not often enough … but I’m speechless.
Truly, I don’t know what to say about this. I can only shake my head and point and laugh. They are truly getting desperate.
w.
@cui bono
April 4, 2012 at 6:25 am
Paul Coppin says (April 4, 2012 at 3:46 am)
DirkH says (April 4, 2012 at 5:01 am)
“They are not getting desparate; they are winning”
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I fear Paul is right – they are winning.
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Take it from a psychologist with more than 30 years in professional practice, THEY ARE LOSING. They ARE getting desperate. All of the bizarre behavior and pronouncements you are now seeing from the CAGW crowd confirms this.
Many of these people have made the belief and value system that humankind is evil and is destroying the planet the centerpiece of their lives. Now they are experiencing tremendous cognitive dissonance because their confident predictions have not come true, and they have not been able to convince everyone. In a very short time, quite a few of these people are going to have to reorder their lives, both spiritually and (in many cases) financially.
To protect themselves from this reality, they use denial and projection. They think if they can just convince enough people, all might yet be salvaged. Unfortunately for them, as time goes on, fewer are convinced, and more and more are beginning to see AGW for what it really is, i.e. a bizarre and irrational belief system.
Sooner or later, it will all just collapse, and it will happen suddenly, probably with an unusually cool and rainy summer or with a brutal winter like the one in central and eastern Europe this year. It could also happen with more bizarre behavior from the CAGW crowd – theft, lying, sabotage, physical violence and so on. As they get desperate, they become more dangerous, but they will not win.
It’s not hatred Anthony, it’s parody. That is how the Warmists ( Thermians ) see Lord Monckton.
Here is how I would relate Lord Monckton to a movie Character:
http://www.moviemarket.com/Photos/C331399_C6239.html
Of course, no character can do justice to the man. I believe he is aiding the fight against pseudo science to the greatest degree. There is so much that can be brought in an indictment against this report. But Lord Monckton’s work stands alone and without assistance against the absurdity and outright lies perpetrated by the NWF.
Just my opinion of course.
Paul Coppin says:
April 4, 2012 at 3:46 am
They are not getting desparate; they are winning. This is a full-fledged, full-on, take-no-prisoners media assault. The vast majority of casual viewers will see this as a topic with substance, even as they do not understand the content. Communications companies exist for a reason. Perception iseverything, and will trump substance everytime. Never, ever, under-estimate the power of guilt and fear, and never, ever over-estimate the intelligence of the mass audience. The vast majority of people would still sell Manhattan for $24 in beads and trinkets, if the sales pitch was properly crafted, and these people vote…
Unfortunately, Paul you are right – and many of the people on this board do not realize that the scientific arguments are not going to work any more. I can remember being told that an audience for a talk should be considered to have the intelligence of a 9 year old. Messages pitched at that level WILL get across.
Remember everyone – “the science is settled” – that phrase may make you giggle -but the man in the street believes it. And now if you want to sell anything from fruit in a supermarket to a passenger jet – you have to quote carbon footprint and emissions.
I’m just flabbergasted by the logic in this WWF article.
IN this world of pain they are predicting with flood, droughts , fires, horrific storms, surely we will be too busy dragging people out of floods and battling our way through droughts and treating the wounded survivors of storms and rebuilding our shattered homes and retreating from the encroaching sea and desperately farming and scavenging for food ….
… to stop for a moment and consider if we feel stressed about the whole issue?
Obviously the only thing that CAN logically be treated is the stress induced by all the fear mongering going on right now.
Well:
I’m betting this is hoax.
I’ve never seen anything quite this silly and obtuse before … it reeks of a setup.
The money line:
“A long term and
disciplined approach to studying
these problems within public health
agencies, the academic and clinical
community is needed to adequately
assess and address the full meaning
of global warming on the mental
health of the American public.”
Surprise, surprise!
Please correect me if I am wrong but I had assumed the “National Wildlife Federation” would be concerned for the well-being of WILDLIFE (i.e. non-domesticated flora and fauna). Since when have they become a political lobby group?
That’s what happens when you’re continuously told to fear the nice weather we’re having instead of just enjoying it.
JohnH says:
April 4, 2012 at 7:34 am
“I am curious what the long-term psychological effects will be on children who have grown up with the Weather Channel and major TV networks constantly screaming “WE’RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!”.”
The long-term psychological effect is that they stop watching TV. My kid did. They’re more into youtube anyway.
Remember for the AGW hard-core, they simple cannot accept the idea that people can hold good and logical views that differ from them on this subject.
Therefore, they must be either bad or as in this case MAD and if that means trying to project that idea onto millions that is no problem. For just like the extremists in religions they consider it a ‘duty’ to ensure others are shown the error of their ways and ‘lead’ unto the path of true righteousness. When you start from the idea that you can’t be wrong and its all for a ‘good cause ‘ it amazing how far you can go in the totally wrong direction .
Whenever you here the words ‘for the good of the people ‘ that’s a time to be very careful for its amazing how often that idea has been pursued by some of the worlds biggest monsters .
Let the treatment begin! But perhaps they need to find out who needs the treatment first?
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/ND05Dj02.html
markx says:
April 4, 2012 at 7:45 am
It’s a hoax? They used photos from 9-11 review pages 13-15 for example. Terror victims = Climate victims
As many have said before, it is actually a very good thing to finally see all the masks coming off.
Is there any honest person left who doesn’t see that this is no longer a scientific war, but a purely political war for power? The left has pulled out all the stops in its drive to seize control; articles like this are the way the do that.
The hardest part for us is to realize that all of these institutions that support them, now including the National Wildlife Federation, have got to be torn down to the ground and either rebuilt or more likely, replaced before the disease can be contained. Which means a campaign to starve them of funds and de-legitimize their existence. Sad, but now necessary.
Sceptics on WUWT still seem to believe this is about Climate Change. Marshall McLuhan would be proud. As I have said time and time again, this has nothing to do with Climate Change. Climate change is simply the hook. Today’s hook. That’s why the title of it keeps changing – clmate change, global warming, extreme weather, carbon emissions, green economy, sustainability, respect for the environment, and on and on. Global warming begat Climate Change which is already morphing to “extreme weather”. All of these are different flavours of the same snake oil, and you are seeing the high-powered mass marketing of that snake oil, and it’s very effective. Why do you think all prognostications are out 5, 10, 20, 50 years? Because no one will have to refute the oil salesmen by then – the mission will have been accomplished.
It used to take three or four political cycles to change or reverse change a particular social ideology. Now with computerized target marketing near instanteous message delivery, high speed media production, ad hoc, in situ media production, it only takes one to at most, two, political cycles to effect a major ideological shift politically. Carbon markets are crashing everywhere, but cap and trade is still a cornerstone of every liberal ideology. Every municipality I’ve seen in the western world has an active, “green” agenda. Most large corporations have a “green”, sustainability agenda. Sure its about bottom line, but all of these institutions legitimize the message seen and heard everywhere, even to the good boys from the deep sowth, sittin’ on the porch , flickin’ chiggers and countin’ gators. (h/t Bernal, /LOL). Sustainability and the bottom line are even part of the message.
Americans only need to look at their own country since the last two years of GWB and the disaster that is the Obama admin, to know how potent this PR campaign is. Look where your country is and ask again, who’s messaging remains in control? (hint, its not the GOP’s – Romney can’t beat OB in 2012. The GOP had the chance and threw it all away.). Even in Canada, we are one election to putting the left back in. Harper is screwing up on so many fronts and moving the conservatives so far to the center they are in danger of losing the core. Ontario literally had the province offered to conservatives on a proverbial silver platter and the conservatives (albeit progressive, conservatives), still couldn’t figure what the message was and who it was being delivered to.
It is said, that in politics, to effect significant sociopolitical change (regardless of the underlying motive), you target, intensely, one group and one group only: females aged 18-35. Make it about home, safety and security and motherhood issues, and you will win. Think about those around you and to whom you defer. They already make up slightly more than half the population… Cheers!
jbird says:
April 4, 2012 at 7:49 am
Jbird, with all due respect to your profession, I know people who could convince you your best effort during the day would be to spend most of it on your own couch analysing why you need to analyse denial and projection, AND sell you a new couch, AND a case of self-health books to aid you in your own self-analysis AND sell you the self-congratulatory vacation in Mo’ Bay at the conclusion of it. Back in a day, people in the medical professions were amongst the easiest sales marks there are, partly because they’re semi-rational and have too much disposable income. Clinical psychologists and psychiatrists are institutional psychologists; Good salesmen and marketeers are applied psychologists.. /LOL.
The U.S. Mental Health Care system will never be adequately prepared to handle the case load of the Pro-Warmists;
1. Burdened by the doomsday projections from their own Climate Models, and
2. Burdened by the aftermath when all of their AGW theories are tossed into History’s Garbage Can.
Some info about the authors:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lise_Van_Susteren
http://www.2016parksummit.org/agenda-speakers/kevin-coyle.html
http://www.nwf.org/News-and-Magazines/Media-Center/Faces-of-NWF/Kevin-Coyle.aspx
Mind you they might have a point since they’ve been making kids neurotic for many years as this oft quoted 2007 kiddie survey discovered at the time-
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/kids-fear-global-warming-more-than-terrorism-car-crashes-and-cancer-according-to-national-earth-day-survey-58684647.html
And with the daily news diet of floods, tsunamis, tornadoes, etc from around the world in our living rooms, it doesn’t take much for our ‘concerned’ educators to associate it all with global warming and give the kiddies nightmares. After all the assault on young minds begins very early in the kindergartens and reception.
Aldous Huxley 1962 U.C. Berkeley Speech on “The Ultimate Revolution”
http://publicintelligence.net/aldous-huxley-1962-u-c-berkeley-speech-on-the-ultimate-revolution/
Number Of Ways To Go Nuts To Increase: DSM-V
http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=4349
Increasing Mental Health Awareness: Too Much of a Good Thing?
http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2011/05/18/increasing-mental-health-awareness-too-much-of-a-good-thing/
Does the DSM-5 medicalize normal behavior?
http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2010/09/dsm5-medicalize-normal-behavior.html
Diagnosis as disease
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/may/06/opinion/la-oe-welch-diagnosis-20110506
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders
http://tinyurl.com/comd43
Crispin Tickell
Huxley family tree (partial)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huxley_family
Climatic Change & World Affairs
This website now contains the entire text of Climate Change and World Affairs, first published in 1977, revised 1986. This seminal book did much to arouse interest in the then little-known problem of ‘global warming’ in response to human emissions of greenhouse gases.
http://www.crispintickell.com/key14.html
Nigel Lawson: Global warming has turned into religion
Lawson was Chancellor when Crispin Tickell, then British Ambassador to the UN, convinced Prime Minister Thatcher that man-made global warming was a problem. Despite Tickell lacking any scientific background (he read history at university) Mrs Thatcher took the population campaigner’s views seriously enough to make a landmark speech on global warming. This led to the foundation of a branch of the Met Office, the Hadley Centre at Exeter, to study the issue. It remains one of the three leading climate institutes.
http://www.thegwpf.org/uk-news/151-nigel-lawson-climate-science-has-turned-into-religion.html
Crispin Tickell (Belief)
Now you come from an Anglo-Irish family. Your great, great grandfather was T H Huxley – Aldous Huxley was in your background too. Now this is a legacy of seriously thoughtful, intellectual address, isn’t it?
Well T H Huxley was in many respects one of my heroes. Aldous was as well. In fact I think if anybody had any influence on me during my adolescence, it was Aldous Huxley
Snip
Well while you were leading this high profile life, you were also already concerned with the planet, and your book ‘Climatic Change and World Affairs’ was published in 1977, and really was seminal in both I think perhaps shaping up everything you’ve done since, and also in shaping up the political responses to climate change both in Britain, Europe, America and the United Nations. So where did this book come from?
http://www.crispintickell.com/page65.html
Religion and the Environment
Lecture delivered to “The Earth our destiny” conference, Portsmouth Cathedral, 2002-11-30
Environment is the stuff of religion, and religion is the stuff of the environment. Their relationship once went without saying. Yet we live at a time when they are being prised apart
http://www.crispintickell.com/page18.html
I also think Paul is right… despite their idiocy, the lack of factual support, and the growing case against the claims of AGW, they are winning the battle for the minds of the young and future generations. It matters less and less what we all think here. Just spend some time on any campus and ask a few questions… reality bites.
So the alarmists have given up on speaking about climate science altogether? They seem to only natter on about secondary issues now: Saving species from an imaginary problem, treating people stressed by the imaginary problem, and getting more money to study things related to the imaginary problem. Like Jimmy Stewart opening doors for Harvey… he didn’t need to actually show people Harvey, just pretend he was there.
Looks like the NWF are out of step with “The Nature Conservancy, the world’s biggest environmental group.” From http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/04/kareiva_new_environmentalism_essay/
Nature ISN’T fragile nor a bossy mother-in-law – top eco boffin
Get rid of hippies, save the planet
” The Green movement needs to rethink its philosophy from the ground-up. That’s according to Peter Kareiva, a leading conservation expert and chief scientist for The Nature Conservancy, the world’s biggest environmental group.
It must abandon the idea that nature is “feminine” and in particular that it’s “fragile”, he said, because not only is this artificial, it’s wrong, and so many bad ideas follow.”
jbird says:
April 4, 2012 at 7:49 am
The war will go on but they aren’t losing. The socialist agenda goes on forever until there are no private rights left to debate.
Since being stopped on Cap and Trade it’s been all about “education” which means brainwashing children, firing up the base and smearing skeptics as being intellectually inferior/distrurbed or both. Standard NY Times dogma and tactics. They morf into “sustainability” and relive many of the old eco-standard topics of the past. AGW is just a card in the deck.
The journOlist memo has certainly been passed on the Soviet psychiatry theme. Chris Mooney, Norgaard etc. all in the past week. Deniers are racists also, another pine for the 60’s;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2123260/If-dont-believe-climate-change-sick-Oregon-professor-likens-skepticism-racism.html
johnwschwartz says:
April 4, 2012 at 9:13 am
If it comforts you John, I went to largely left-wing schools my entire life. They’re always those who can be manipulated but the social pattern is more complex then people adopting leftwing views from teachers as taught to them. They’re letting it all hang out in an election year to fire up the base and other than the EPA not much is going on policy wise. The base are the people at the bottom of the pyramid in the Apocalypto Sacrifice Scene that the host thought gratuitious on my part to post.
They’re will not be enough reaction to this green dogma but there is another side growing as well. On campus as well.
Wonderful, thanks, Willis.
We have a translation of the source to Spanish, in case any one needs to use it in blogs, etc. One of the most laughable things I read in years.
¿Hay que ser un degenerado para ser ecologista?