Bishop Hill Writes: A surprise from Norfolk Constabulary
Norfolk Constabulary have previously released details of their spend on the UEA emails investigation – Operation Cabin. This showed that no money had been spent on the investigation since February 2011, something that strongly suggested that the investigation was in fact closed. Despite this, the Constabulary insisted that the investigation was ongoing.
In order to probe this a little further, I requested details of man-hours spent on the investigation by month. If no man hours had been actually been clocked up over the same period then it would amount to pretty much incontrovertible evidence that everything had ground to a halt.
Today I had a response:
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That was a very foolish response from the Constabulary, because it makes them look rather poorly managed.
Better to have said:
“We conducted an investigation into the matter from [date 1] to [date 2], which materially established all facts known to date. As no additional information has come to light and the results of our investigation did not lead to the identity of the perpetrator, we have since [date 2] invested only a nominal numbers of police hours in the matter, but hold the investigation open should additional information become availabe.”
Look, in Norfolk the correct vernacular is taking the piss, rather than being economical with the truth.
So may I be so bold at to “fix” a couple of previous comments:
and…
There, that makes more sense, doesn’t it?
Interesting information hunt.
At the response are links to the Norfolk Constabulary’s response letter, which contains this:
The second link is 404 Not Found. After searching the site, and having to use the Site Map, I finally found the FOI disclosure logs:
http://www.norfolk.police.uk/aboutus/yourrighttoinformation/freedomofinformation/disclosurelog.aspx
The reply to Montford has yet to published there. Maybe someday when they get the time…
The UEA work is under the heading “Investigations” and there are requests that yielded amounts spent on the investigation, and many requests yielding nothing based on their wording.
June 2010:
123/10/11 “Cost , and number of Officers working, on the investigation of the publication of emails belonging to the University of East Anglia – Jun 2010”
March 2011:
566/10/11 “The monthly cost for the period November 2010 to February 2011 of the University of East Anglia (UEA) e-mails disclosure investigation”
Strange how they can figure expenditures down to the pence when they “do not record the time spent by officers and police staff on a specific investigation” according to the response to Montford.
Whoops, found this May 2011 one:
595/11/12 “Total cost expended per month on the University Of East Anglia emails investigation, March 2010 to February 2011.”
They actually give a table from November 2009 to February 2011. October and December 2010 and January 2011, £0.00. That’s right, nothing. But November 2010 is the highest monthly total, £38,454.61. Paying off an outside investigator for computer forensics?
There is also a note to add £23,309 to the June 2010 FOI requested figure noted above, “… which was known expenditure but had not been paid out at the time the response was issued.” No mention of making a correction to or amending that FOI response. Guess the information is accurate at the time when they tell you, and they tell you only what they think you can know at the time.
It seems the wording is the issue. State it right and they’ll tell you what was spent, but can’t tell you specific amounts of hours. If you really want to see if the investigation is technically dead, request info on the current financial expenditures.
Although going by the 2011 FOI requests, that could have been requested a half dozen times this year already. Just wait for it, it’ll show up when they get around to updating their FOI disclosure list again. Someday. Most likely.
Bonus Item from September 2011:
248/11/12 “Copies of any correspondence between Norfolk Constabulary and central government relating to enquiry into leak of emails from the UEA.”
Wouldn’t the police have to retain any such correspondence as it may be subject to FOI requests? With this being true, are we to believe that NO ONE higher up the food chain in “central government” has asked in writing, not even a quick email, about ANYTHING? The House of Commons Science and Technology Select Committee inquiry, that gave its report on March 31, 2010, never asked about the investigation, any opinions as to hack or leak, if emails were doctored or untainted? No one higher up had ever cared enough to ask anything?
onlyme says:
March 26, 2012 at 8:06 am
So, what does the response actually mean, that the Norfolk Police Department is no longer keeping records of investigative hours? I see nothing that says that the investigation is closed, just that the Department is now using shoddy accounting practices.
Did I miss something?
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I’m not normally a friend of obfuscators, but ‘onlyme’ may have some truth on his/her/their side. This practice, if wide-spread – will enable the Chief Constable [the local Head of Police for Norfolk] to be believable when she [or he] says, ‘I need more police officers’. there is, of course, despite the rules. no back-up to anyone seeking to disprove this bit of ‘Empire-building’.
At one time I naively believed that if one filed an FOI request that you would get the requested information unless there was a compelling reason why it couldn’t be supplied. Such reasons would be the exception. It seems that FOI requests are in fact little more than a joke. Those who hold the information fight every FOI request as if national security was at stake, trying to contort the law in every way possible to prevent release. I’m not a conspiracy theory type but it’s hard not to think that resistance to releasing requested information is because the information would make people look bad or worse. I guess the FOI laws need to be tightened and public employees need to understand that any work they do on the job is subject to public scrutiny and that they need to perform their jobs believing that what they did today might end up on the nightly national news.
This is terrible. If the police are not even measuring the time they are spending on a case how can they manage their activities and how can they possibly prioritise anything?
I get the names Tisdale and Tallblock mixed up. Who’s computers were taken and did you get them back? Do they still work?
@Pamela Gray on March 26, 2012 at 4:05 pm:
Technically neither, that was Roger Tattersall, who’s apparently a Tall Bloke (and there’s my memory aid for the spelling).
Telegraph report and from his own blog:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/8960701/Climategate-police-raid-home-of-blogger-in-UEA-stolen-emails-probe.html
http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2011/12/14/tallbloke-towers-raided-many-computers-taken/
I scanned the blog comments, didn’t notice his saying they came back. The report was they only wanted to clone the hard drives, then they would return them. As it was, apparently with the incoming donations, he went shopping for a new one.
Well, I guess the old WUWT saw is true….”Nothing to see here, move along!”
The conclusion of the headline is unsubstantiated.
The FOI request obtained no useful information because of a technicality relating to recording of routine hours.
We do now know this though:
1 The Norfolk police are not following the correct procedure relating to recording their officer’s time. That’s worth following up if you live in Norfolk.
2 The Norfolk police are not interested in communicating openly and honestly on this matter. That’s worth following up if you live in the area threatened by AGW (e.g. this planet).
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/107693/response/267740/attach/html/3/Response%20Letter.pdf.html
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According to this they don’t know how many hours. Which of course tells you nothing one way or the other.
And Andrew Montford thought this was news?
“We do not record the time spent by officers and police staff on a specific investigation.”
Even if that were true (and as others have pointed out, it’s not) do they really think any sane person is going to believe them?
Try carrying on like that in any commercial concern, and see how long you remain in employment…