David “fruit fly” Suzuki goes ballistic, and advocates retracting all rights from skeptics. I’m mentioned as some sort of baddie central, but at least I don’t dress up with Santa Claus to scare the kids and ask their parents to send me money. Where’s that DDT when you need it?
From the Huffington Post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/david-suzuki/climate-change-denial_b_1325198.html
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“This public responsibility is especially important in light of the stepped-up efforts to deny the reality of climate change, or the role humans play in it. Cases in point are illustrated by the “denialgate” scandal revealed by the release of Heartland Institute documents and the revelation that Ottawa’s Carleton University hired Tom Harris, a PR man for a number of “astroturf” groups with a mechanical engineering background, to teach a course on climate change.
“There are many credible sources of information, and they aren’t blog sites run by weathermen like Anthony Watts, or industry-funded fake science organizations. One place to start is at Skeptical Science. Click on the tab that says “Arguments” for scientific responses to all the main climate change denier talking points.
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Apparently, I’ve irritated the fruit fly. WUWT must be having an effect then. In truest fashion, he can’t be bothered to name the website much less link to it, but it is nice to see that I’m irritating him.
– Anthony
UPDATE: It seems all is not well in Fruit Fly land. His foundation website doesn’t even register on Alexa.com due to it having a traffic rank greater than 100K. Lower number is better:
And, “skeptical science” is down in the grass.
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/davidsuzuki.org+wattsupwiththat.com+skepticalscience.com
Here’s Suzuki’s traffic ranks by country (lower is better, for example, Google is #1)
And here’s mine:
Must really bite when a web site run by some “evil denier TV weatherguy” kicks your butt in your own country. WUWT actually does more than twice as well in Canada as Suzuki.
Maybe I should send him some “denier swarms” to boost traffic.
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pwl, thanks for the Suzuki video, somehow I managed to watch the whole thing. Suzuki hates Bush. Suzuki likes Katrina. My conclusion: Suzuki hates people.
David Suzuki is an eminent scientist who explained something as follows…
‘It has been known since the last century that carbon-bearing compounds are transparent to sunlight but opaque to infra-red. In other words, sunlight passes through carbon-containing air whereas infra-red heat rays tend to be reflected by the carbon.
We are familiar with this effect in a car that has sat in the sun. The interior becomes hot because the carbon in the glass keeps the heat in.’
Pro CAGW like David Suzuki can’t demonstrate any science that backs up their alarmist nonsense, so in desperation their only defence is to try and stop true scientists from pointing out their failures. Hence, why blogs like this need to make the public aware of these failures. After many hundred millions of funding they are no closer than decades ago. In fact they are increasingly further away because the planet is against virtually every claim. The rants will only increase as this becomes increasingly apparent widely. (although over last few years this seems hardly possible)
Willis Eschenbach says:
March 10, 2012 at 1:22 am
Anton says:
March 10, 2012 at 12:14 am
Willis – killing animals for food is exactly what animals do to each other, usually in a very cruel and cold manner. How do you think the lions of Africa eat? How about the sharks? Mother nature is not “kind” at all.
Suzuki was an interesting guy once, but something happened to his head. The CBC worships him here, probably because he is a product of theirs. He has the series “The Nature of Things” which was good once, but now is mostly a bunch crazy econ-narratives with staged shots and shoddy science. Actually, you can’t call the science science because they conclude with comments like that octopus might evolve human intelligence in 100,000 years which shows such a complete lack of understanding of evolution you don’t even know where to begin.
I heard this clown on the radio jabbering on about the Gaia Hypothesis. It just shows that a new-age looney can become a scientific expert, provided they are on the right side of things. Mind you Suzuki was a genetics prof, so his expertise in everything else should be as suspect as my own.
This from a geneticist who wrote a book on ethics? We are to trust his views on climate over a “weatherman’s”?
Anthony,
Don’t worry about Suzuki not mentioning WUWT. A google of “Anthony Watts blog” (words he did use) comes out with WUWT at the top hit. I suspect anyone can figure out how to find WUWT even with extremely weak google-fu.
bk says: March 9, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Suzuki is gradually realizing that the CAGW fight is lost as he is now moving on to advocating more control over energy for reasons other than AGW.
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The fact that almost all governments and major corporations in the developed world were fooled by (or simply acquiesced to) CAGW fraud, and squandered a trillion dollars trying to “fight global warming” , says much about the proper role of governments in society.
To be fooled by an obvious fraud such as global warming is clear evidence that the collective intellect of governments is indeed that of a fruit fly.
To knowingly acquiesce to such fraud is evidence that the collective ethics of governments are lower than those of a maggot.
In either case, it is evident that the role of governments should be minimized, not expanded. Governments are clearly not intellectually or ethically competent to provide guidance on complex matters of serious importance to humanity.
Similarly, our once-respected intellectual institutions have lost their credibility. The Royal Society, the National Academy of Sciences and many others have embraced and promoted CAGW mania.
As Lord Monckton indicated in his recent NY college speech, governments throughout history have embraced truly foolish ideas, with disastrous consequences.
“ The Versailles consensus of 1918 imposed reparations on the defeated Germany, so that the conference that ended the First World War (15 million dead) sowed the seeds of the Second. The eugenics consensus of the 1920s that led directly to the dismal rail-yards of Oswiecim and Treblinka (6 million dead). The appeasement consensus of the 1930s that provoked Hitler to start World War II (60 million dead). The Lysenko consensus of the 1940s that wrecked 20 successive harvests in the then Soviet Union (20 million dead). The ban-DDT consensus of the 1960s that led to a fatal resurgence of malaria worldwide (40 million children dead and counting, 1.25 million of them last year alone).”
The difference today is that we have the internet, a system of global communication that , in time, will perhaps mitigate the proliferation of popular delusions such as CAGW mania, and enable our society to make more rational decisions.
Anton says:
March 10, 2012 at 12:14 am
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I know you meant this to be funny, but it isn’t, at least not to me. I don’t find anything humorous about killing animals, whether the story is true or not. To me, the idea of eating an animal one has raised and interacted with is appalling. When I was very young, I knew a woman who raised goats, named them, played with them (effectively making them pets), then periodically slaughtered, cooked, and served them to her human family. I thought she, her spouse, and her human children were monsters. I still do.
Everything is food for something….get over it. PETA also means “people eating tasty animals”.. You’re an omnivore that thrives on efficient sources of protein. Who’d a thunk it! Farming is common throughout the biosphere, and you don’t even have to be a vertebrate to do it.
(1) Attempt to convince people that your side is correct.
(2) Fails to do so.
(3) Demand that anyone who disagrees must be silenced.
Wow, let’s go back to the days when the “Scientific Consensus” said that the Sun went around the Earth and the World is flat. Anyone who disagrees must be silenced.
Geez………………..poor little Doctor Fruit Fly must be facing a bit of a downturn in his “donations” so that he and his whacked out followers can live the “high life” on their little Islands in the sun!
When “psychopaths” get a chance to influence any type of real dialogue that will expose them for what they really are get a bit “crazy”…………………….
Note to “Dr.” Suzuki……….your day has come and gone………….go quietly into the night!!!!!!
Dr. Fruit Fly. That is LOL hilarious.
Willis Eschenbach says:
March 10, 2012 at 1:22 am
Anton says:
March 10, 2012 at 12:14 am
Willis, I’ve enjoyed your articles and letters for a long time, but I don’t enjoy your put-downs. I was responding to someone’s bad attempt at humor, not addressing a social issue or global warming. I thought the bad attempt at humor was inappropriate for this site.
I specified “human children” to differentiate between the human kids and the goats (kids). Get it? While everything is food for something else, eating PETS is hideous. The goats were PETS, if you’d bothered to read what I said. The man writing about the rooster was writing about a PET, and then said how tasty it was. Ha. Ha.
Before attacking me and assuming I’m a radical of some sort, how about just reading the damn post first. People who raise animals and treat as pets and then kill and eat them are not normal, average, typical, or conventional.
… or industry-funded fake science organizations …
There he goes, talking about his own Foundation again!
By advocating censorship and denying free speech, David Suzuki directly undermines the foundations of our western civilization and the Rule of Law. He advocates tyrannical control such as exercised by Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot.
Parents
Rise up and object to Suzuki’s indoctrinating our children in bullying and tyranny.
Anton says:
March 10, 2012 at 8:27 am
Willis Eschenbach says:
March 10, 2012 at 1:22 am
Let me get this straight. You thought someone else’s comment was inappropriate. So you went into a long vegetarian rant, roundly abusing people who don’t believe what you believe, telling everyone how you are so much more morally superior to someone who treats their goats nicely, and trying to act like some demented Miss Manners of the open range.
And then, after sticking your vegebabble in the middle of a discussion of climate, you don’t like my response? Well, that’s kinda the point, Anton. I don’t suffer arrogant, holier-than-thou fools gladly, and I make that known as clearly as I can.
No, I didn’t get it, and I’m sorry I didn’t, it’s so witty and incisive.
Clearly, you did not grow up on a ranch … or perhaps you did and the animals were mean to you. Ranchers raise all kinds of animals and eat them. And yes, while the animals are growing, sometimes they or their kids play with the animal, and talk to them and the like, treat them kindly like we do our pets. It’s lonely being a rancher, all of the animals are your friends, you talk to them, you give some of them names … I used to sit in the barn next to the cows because they were so warm, and yes, I’d talk to them and pet them sometimes … so sue me.
It sounds like you would prefer that humans never ever be nice to the animals that they eat … how does that work? Are we to assume that if the people in your story didn’t treat the goats nicely, if they didn’t play with the goats, if they treated the goats all cold and distant, never gave them any human interaction, that that would be better? Goats like humans, especially baby goats. So are you going to put on your personal armor and never interact with them?
How does that work, that people shouldn’t be nice or kind to their animals if they are going to eat them? You advocate being cruel to our food animals, you say we should not treat them kindly like we treat our pets, your plan is to deprive them of human companionship … that’s your high moral ground??
When I was a kid there was another rancher who had a couple of calves. His kids kind of adopted them and played with them. So he named them. He named them “T-Bone” and “Roast Beef”, to remind the kids of the animals certain fate. And like every other cow on the place, they ended up on someone’s plate.
You’ll have to explain to me how the kids playing with the calves was such a bad thing, and how they shouldn’t have been kind to the calves and petted them and fed them.
I read the “damn post” first, my friend, I quoted the whole thing back to you to show you how stupid it was. People like you who go on vegetarian rants in the middle of a thread about David Suzuki are not normal, average, typical, or conventional. You need to get out more, Anton, it sounds like you think the “open range” is the back section of the health food store.
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We eat vegetables and in the end the vegetables eat us.
Plants register danger when their leaves are cut – recently shown how danger is communicated to other plants by the one being attacked. Remember that when you pluck a lettuce leaf, it’s screaming …
I started to read the comments with interest but was dismayed to find that so many were either an a personal attack on Suzuki or the CBC (which is an arms length corporation and only the radio is fully funded by the government). I saw very few comments which actually used facts and logic. Big disappointment as I am always interested in hearing both (or more) sides of an issue. Do we have to be an expert/liberal/conservative/socialist/communist (there is a BIG difference, gentle neighbours to the south)/fascist/republican/concerned amateur to learn and think about issues and then express carefully reasoned opinions. Let’s leave jeering to children who haven’t learned better and set a good example.
“Who is David Suzuki?” He’s the ‘Manphibian Candidate’, of course. (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manphibian)
Diane Scaiff says:
March 10, 2012 at 11:08 am
“socialist/communist (there is a BIG difference, gentle neighbours to the south)”
What, between socialist and communist? Yeah, both believe that the means of production should be expropriated. The difference being that the socialists are willing to pay people according to their deeds, not their needs. And that’s the entire difference. Go prove me wrong. I’ve read their drivel.
Socialism is much less rigid than Communism. Its intent is to allow sufficient distribution of a nation’s goods to ensure the health and welfare of the citizens. Beyond that is up to citizens to earn. Socialism is not incompatible with democracies or republics or capitalism. Combining it with capitalism does require some flexibility of thought but most employers are happy to know their employees are healthy and well-educated. To see healthy children being well educated, to know that they and their parents have access to medical care without illness being exacerbated by worries about money, is worth the name calling. A healthy, well-educated population can decide for themselves what system of government they want. Calling something drivel does not make it so.
Diane Scaiff says:
March 10, 2012 at 11:08 am
I started to read the comments with interest but was dismayed to find that so many were either an a personal attack on Suzuki or the CBC (which is an arms length corporation and only the radio is fully funded by the government). I saw very few comments which actually used facts and logic. Big disappointment as I am always interested in hearing both (or more) sides of an issue. Do we have to be an expert/liberal/conservative/socialist/communist (there is a BIG difference, gentle neighbours to the south)/fascist/republican/concerned amateur to learn and think about issues and then express carefully reasoned opinions. Let’s leave jeering to children who haven’t learned better and set a good example.
Oh, puhleeze… where have you been for the last 20 years? a) You will not hear ANY rational side of the debate from David Suzuki. b) You need to look deeper into how the CBC is financed and regulated. c) Bing (can’t support Google anymore) is your friend – you have a mountain of research to do, but ALL is out there. Stop sitting on your hands and get reading. Enlightment will be your salvation.
Dirk H:
There is a very big difference between socialists and communists. Indeed, they are bitter opponents.
If you want to spout ignorant and offensive nonsense based on your political prejudices then find an appropriate blog. WUWT is not it.
Richard
How Grand Inquisitor of him.
Paul Coppin,
In the past forty years I have lived in Canada, California and France and spent considerable time in the United Kingdom. I am actually not a huge fan of Suzuki because I am not a fan of documentaries in general as I can read faster than they can give me information. I am a fan of CBC radio which does an excellent job of allowing different viewpoints to be heard. I also check in with the BBC news service and read the Globe and Mail every day and occasionally read Le Monde and China Daily. Aljazeera is another infrequent source for me as is the BBC’s world service broadcasts. I used to teach my students to be suspicious of anything on the Internet until they had checked out its provenance and satisfied themselves that it wasn’t unduly biased. Of course I do the same. I find the news sources above when read with some regularity give me a fair picture of issues.
Ten years ago I did a masters in education at a university that encouraged admission of students from all over the world. We were all encouraged to give presentations on those many cultures and the school systems; believe me, it gave us an understanding of how people in those cultures look at everything from politics to women to ownership to food.
In addition to reading the news, I am also currently reading books on the brain, early civilisations, bilingualism, effective visual displays of data and an introduction to quantum physics. In line are two books on sick fish in the sea and some stuff on power and education. I also write a blog on education.
I forgot about the books on Buddhism – and enlightenment. Got some laundry and knitting to do. Any more advice?