David “fruit fly” Suzuki goes ballistic, and advocates retracting all rights from skeptics. I’m mentioned as some sort of baddie central, but at least I don’t dress up with Santa Claus to scare the kids and ask their parents to send me money. Where’s that DDT when you need it?
From the Huffington Post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/david-suzuki/climate-change-denial_b_1325198.html
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“This public responsibility is especially important in light of the stepped-up efforts to deny the reality of climate change, or the role humans play in it. Cases in point are illustrated by the “denialgate” scandal revealed by the release of Heartland Institute documents and the revelation that Ottawa’s Carleton University hired Tom Harris, a PR man for a number of “astroturf” groups with a mechanical engineering background, to teach a course on climate change.
“There are many credible sources of information, and they aren’t blog sites run by weathermen like Anthony Watts, or industry-funded fake science organizations. One place to start is at Skeptical Science. Click on the tab that says “Arguments” for scientific responses to all the main climate change denier talking points.
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Apparently, I’ve irritated the fruit fly. WUWT must be having an effect then. In truest fashion, he can’t be bothered to name the website much less link to it, but it is nice to see that I’m irritating him.
– Anthony
UPDATE: It seems all is not well in Fruit Fly land. His foundation website doesn’t even register on Alexa.com due to it having a traffic rank greater than 100K. Lower number is better:
And, “skeptical science” is down in the grass.
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/davidsuzuki.org+wattsupwiththat.com+skepticalscience.com
Here’s Suzuki’s traffic ranks by country (lower is better, for example, Google is #1)
And here’s mine:
Must really bite when a web site run by some “evil denier TV weatherguy” kicks your butt in your own country. WUWT actually does more than twice as well in Canada as Suzuki.
Maybe I should send him some “denier swarms” to boost traffic.
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Steven Mosher says
“Gleick and SkS. Dig here.”
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Mr. Mosher, I think you are quickly surpassing Sherlock Holmes in detective skills. Anyone wanna bet that SkS has some sort of connection to the Suzuki Foundation?
Willis is right. The comments on that Huffpo article are amazing, and a sure sign of the times. Last time I looked at Huffpo just over a year ago any ‘denier’ would have been lonely and pounced on by Believer hordes.
And, of note, Tom Harris just answered:
“2 hours ago ( 9:41 PM) Part 1:
Dr. Suzuki is wrong, or misleading, when he writes:
“the revelation that Ottawa’s Carleton University hired Tom Harris, a PR man for a number of “astroturf” groups with a mechanical engineering background, to teach a course on climate change.”
First, it is old news that I have been teaching a general survey climate course at Carleton for the past three years. It is anything but a revelation. I describe how I taught the course and the mandate of ICSC here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj-bdL2yO8M
Second, I am not a “PR man”, although, like Suzuki, I am engaged in public education. I have solid training and experience in scientific fields relevant to understanding the causes of climate change. The atmosphere and the oceans are, after all, large thermo-fluid systems, with massive heat transfer fluxes throughout. Could David Suzuki please tell us how his academic background equips him to comment on this immensely complex thermo-fluid system?
Whether he answers this or not, I promise to never call him “a PR man”, as he has me. That would simply be ad hominem–attacking the man–which the 1,500 students who took my course understand to be a logical fallacy unworthy of serious debate in such an important field.
2 hours ago ( 9:43 PM) Part 2 concerning Dr. Suzuki’s misleading reference to me:
The ONE (not, “a number of”) group I have led since early 2008 is the International Climate Science Coalition and this is anything but an “astroturf” group. In fact, contrary to the situation at the David Suzuki Foundation, ICSC has never been funded by corporations of any kind. For those who are interested in learning what ICSC is all about, please visit http://www.climatescienceinternational.org/.
As a leader in our society, David Suzuki should be helping create an intellectual climate that opens up issues to constructive debate. I suggest he read “Policing the Climate Debate – Leaders must encourage constructive policy discussion” which may be seen at:
http://pjmedia.com/blog/policing-the-climate-debate/?singlepage=true
Attacks against groups and individuals on either side of the climate debate are not welcome. Could you rephrase your reference to me, please, David?
Tom Harris
International Climate Science Coalition
http://www.climatescienceinternational.org/
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J. Felton,
SkS and Suzuki are both supported financially by George Soros. Don’t know about Gleick, but it would not surprise me.
I was stunned, STUNNED, to see the Honduras rank. I’m wondering how that could be explained.
Time flys like the wind. But fruit flies like bananas.
@ur momisugly Scott Covert says:
“I think David Suzuki just split the CO2 atom.”
Did he crush it between the cheeks of his ass between rants?
Geroge @March 9, 2012 at 4:42 pm:
Re: your suggestion for “I’m a Denier” song? You must be new here – it was done a couple of years ago by the Minnesotans For Global Warming: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx-t9k7epIk
See all their music videos at http://www.minnesotansforglobalwarming.com/m4gw/videos/
Their “Hide The Decline” (to the tune of ‘Dragging the Line” is also great.
I would submit that Climate Science needs more Engineers, Mr Harris is a step forwards.
A couple of years ago, I was able to sit in on a meeting with engineers from an “evil as an oil company” big defense contractor. Despite it being in their financial interest to help the DoD waste money on then politically popular projects, they savaged whole concept.
@Sparkes “I think!! (or do I?)”
Seems pretty certain that you haven’t reached that stage yet.!
One day, sometime in the early 1980s probably, I watched Suzuki demonstrating how CO2 blocked infra red by using an infra red camera, his face and CO2 between him and the camera. As the CO2 increased, his face slowly disappeared from the screen. Thus was born the switch in my mind from believing in the coming ice age, turning a complete 180 compass degrees, and switching to believing in global warming instead.
Now, up to that time, as a young man back then, I was considering my future and the future of my family, that is my children, and the coming ice age idea that had been drilled into me at that time had me contemplating emigrating south, which would be to the USA. The idea today that the ice age scare was only found in a few obscure publications just isn’t true. It permeated throughout the MSM publications, and I am living proof as I lived through and remember those times.
I often wonder how Suzuki, Gore and others believed in global warming long before the increasing temperatures where yet to be recorded. I would suggest that they chose to use CO2 as a means of furthering their goals, and they would find a way to push the global warming / climate change idea, and thus they have.
As the years progressed, from when I first believed in global warming, the constant news casts proclaiming such and such a weather event was caused by global warming, started to create doubts in my mind because of course these weather events have happened in the past, why are they now proof of global warming / climate change.
As an example, I was astounded one day when the host of the CBC National news proclaimed on the day that my city and region start their annual lawn watering restrictions, that this was because of global warming / climate change. I have lived in this region since 1967 and the summer months of July and August have always been dry months, and as the population of this region has grown, with no infrastructure water capacity improvements, as well as putting off hundreds of millions of dollars of infrastructure spending just to improve water supply for a few weeks before the rainy season began again, lawn watering restrictions would be used to save money.
There are so many more examples of weather events being used as proof of CAGW, and even today I see it being used in the US. Suzuki used the Vancouver North shore mountains having little snow in 2010 as proof of global warming, even though the year before and the year after there was plenty of snow. Note that the Whistler area had plenty of snow during the Olympics, and also, these mountains are part of the Coastal Mountain range, and not the Rocky Mountains as someone erroneously wrote recently.
“The worker’s flag is deepest red. It shrouded oft our martyred dead”
We have a Gulag set aside for all deniers.
So Suzuki is a denier denier. And all of you who take issue with him are thus denier denier deniers. If I was to censure you all for that, I’d be a denier denier denier denier. And if that upset you to the point of censuring me, you’d be denier denier denier denier deniers. This could go on indefinitely…
Study: climate alarmists represent 30% of OCD psychiatric patients
http://motls.blogspot.com/2012/03/study-climate-alarmists-represent-30-of.html
Scottish Sceptic says:
“You ask him politely to reframe from calling people “deniers” and he just carries on even worse.
“We had a cockerel like him. Every time I heard him crow, I just felt sorry, because we couldn’t keep a noisy bird like that. I did try to train the cockerel to stop crowing … but I knew the dumb bird wouldn’t learn …
“He tasted good.”
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I know you meant this to be funny, but it isn’t, at least not to me. I don’t find anything humorous about killing animals, whether the story is true or not. To me, the idea of eating an animal one has raised and interacted with is appalling. When I was very young, I knew a woman who raised goats, named them, played with them (effectively making them pets), then periodically slaughtered, cooked, and served them to her human family. I thought she, her spouse, and her human children were monsters. I still do.
Suzuki is espousing ideas that are typically found in the psychological makeup of rapists or other predators.
He obviously feels he alone ( grandiose sense of self importance) has the right to decide whether or not a denial to his advances/ideals/morals should be allowed or not (non empathic-psychopathic tendencies).
He is suggesting a course of action that could impose serious negative psychological and physical trauma on others if implemented, presumably with himself as grand overseer.
Whys he not in a padded cell?
The public needs protecting from dangerous care in the community cases like him, fbi please note.
“Reed Coray says:
March 9, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Ron says: March 9, 2012 at 1:56 pm
While viewing the video in Ron’s comment, for a minute I thought I was watching a documentary
of the Manson Family. Did anyone else have a similar reaction?”
Yes, I did! He was just basking in the attention wasn’t he? And spouting utter garbage. No change there….
Gary Mount says:
March 9, 2012 at 10:45 pm
I also remember very well the coming ice age scare. My daughters were very young in the early 70s, and I was very concerned at the time. I have since learned not to believe anything until I have done my own research!
I always put people on to http://www.green-agenda.com for a good explanation of the politics. You really don’t have to be any sort of scientist to understand the way the scam has been perpetrated.
Suzuki doesn’t link to WUWT but he calls it “Anthony Watt’s blog” and that information is completely sufficient to make WUWT appear as #1 hit on google… If there are curious people reading his rant, they’ll find this; and will be able to compare Skeptical Science with WUWT.
And they will notice that WUWT links to all realtime data sources whereas Skeptical Science doesn’t. That settles it for any person with a brain.
Their moderators are allowing some terribly offensive stuff through. For example this one from poster “vicneo”,
“3. you might want to go back to your old job- the karate instructor in “Karate kid”. more honest and might actually have more long term potential”
Atrocious!
Anthony, the reaction from Suzuki tells you that you are right over the target. 😉
If ever there was a scare story that needed to fail, it is CAGW. All us former believers (Anthony, Jimbo et. al.), should do our best.
Anton says:
March 10, 2012 at 12:14 am
I’m the same way. I don’t find anything humorous about killing vegetables, whether the story is true or not. To me, the idea of eating a vegetable one has raised and interacted with is appalling. When I was very young, I knew a woman who raised tomatoes, named them, cared for them as if they were her children, then periodically slaughtered, cooked, and served them to her human family. I thought she, her spouse, and her human children were monsters. I still do.
What are you, Anton, some kind of specist? You’re quite willing to kill things so that you can live, but you think that vegetables are beneath contempt, I guess. Makes sense, you’re an animal, but that kind of hatred for vegetables approaches the pathological … life eats life to live. Get used to it.
Get a grip, Anton. This is not the place for your foodie rants. Nobody here cares why you eat what you eat, or how you justify wantonly killing vegetables to satisfy your un-natural gastronomic lusts … here, we’re discussing climate science.
w.
PS—I absolutely loved the part about “she, her spouse, and her human children” … as opposed, presumably, to her space alien children … dude, you’re losing the plot here.
Sparks:
I do not know your mother but I assumed she was “a good person” (see what I wrote) despite her having given birth to you.
I repeat, learn how to behave as a growen-up before posting here. Like other immature gnats and midges, your childish attempts at being annoying are a diversion that everybody could do without.
Richard
It will come as no surprise to WUWT regulars that this little fellow pops up regularly on BBC ‘science’ programs, too. Birds of a feather, an’ all that.
R. de Haan says:
March 9, 2012 at 11:09 pm
“Study: climate alarmists represent 30% of OCD psychiatric patients
http://motls.blogspot.com/2012/03/study-climate-alarmists-represent-30-of.html
”
Good. That helps in formulating a remedy. I’m thinking about setting up a website where they can register themselves in a list, and I’ll send them a petition a week that they can forward to some address which I’ll provide, of course combined with consumer information about things they can buy to reduce their carbon footprint.
@ur momisugly Willis Eschenbach says:
“To me, the idea of eating a vegetable one has raised and interacted with is appalling.”
Lol…priceless Willis!
Smokey says:
March 9, 2012 at 9:19 pm
J. Felton,
SkS and Suzuki are both supported financially by George Soros. Don’t know about Gleick, but it would not surprise me.
An ex-felon supporting a soon to be felon. Why not