Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
Under the radar, and un-noticed by many climate scientists, there was a recent study by the National Academy of Sciences (NAS), commissioned by the US Government, regarding climate change. Here is the remit under which they were supposed to operate:
Specifically, our charge was
1. To identify the principal premises on which our current understanding of the question [of the climate effects of CO2] is based,
2. To assess quantitatively the adequacy and uncertainty of our knowledge of these factors and processes, and
3. To summarize in concise and objective terms our best present understanding of the carbon dioxide/climate issue for the benefit of policymakers.
Now, that all sounds quite reasonable. In fact, if we knew the answers to those questions, we’d be a long ways ahead of where we are now.
Figure 1. The new Cray supercomputer called “Gaea”, which was recently installed at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. It will be used to run climate models.
But as it turned out, being AGW supporting climate scientists, the NAS study group decided that they knew better. They decided that to answer the actual question they had been asked would be too difficult, that it would take too long.
Now that’s OK. Sometimes scientists are asked for stuff that might take a decade to figure out. And that’s just what they should have told their political masters, can’t do it, takes too long. But noooo … they knew better, so they decided that instead, they should answer a different question entirely. After listing the reasons that it was too hard to answer the questions they were actually asked, they say (emphasis mine):
A complete assessment of all the issues will be a long and difficult task.
It seemed feasible, however, to start with a single basic question: If we were indeed certain that atmospheric carbon dioxide would increase on a known schedule, how well could we project the climatic consequences?
Oooookaaaay … I guess that’s now the modern post-normal science method. First, you assume that there will be “climatic consequences” from increasing CO2. Then you see if you can “project the consequences”.
They are right that it is easier to do that than to actually establish IF there will be climatic consequences. It makes it so much simpler if you just assume that CO2 drives the climate. Once you have the answer, the questions get much easier …
However, they did at least try to answer their own question. And what are their findings? Well, they started out with this:
We estimate the most probable global warming for a doubling of CO2 to be near 3’C with a probable error of ± 1.5°C.
No surprise there. They point out that this estimate, of course, comes from climate models. Surprisingly, however, they have no question and are in no mystery about whether climate models are tuned or not. They say (emphasis mine):
Since individual clouds are below the grid scale of the general circulation models, ways must be found to relate the total cloud amount in a grid box to the grid-point variables. Existing parameterizations of cloud amounts in general circulation models are physically very crude. When empirical adjustments of parameters are made to achieve verisimilitude, the model may appear to be validated against the present climate. But such tuning by itself does not guarantee that the response of clouds to a change in the CO2 concentration is also tuned. It must thus be emphasized that the modeling of clouds is one of the weakest links in the general circulation modeling efforts.
Modeling of clouds is one of the weakest links … can’t disagree with that.
So what is the current state of play regarding the climate feedback? The authors say that the positive water vapor feedback overrules any possible negative feedbacks:
We have examined with care ail known negative feedback mechanisms, such as increases in low or middle cloud amount, and have concluded that the oversimplifications and inaccuracies in the models are not likely to have vitiated the principal conclusion that there will be appreciable warming. The known negative feedback mechanisms can reduce the warming, but they do not appear to be so strong as the positive moisture feedback.
However, as has been the case for years, when you get to the actual section of the report where they discuss the clouds (the main negative feedback), the report merely reiterates that the clouds are poorly understood and poorly represented … how does that work, that they are sure the net feedback is positive, but they don’t understand and can only poorly represent the negative feedbacks? They say, for example:
How important the overall cloud effects are is, however, an extremely difficult question to answer. The cloud distribution is a product of the entire climate system, in which many other feedbacks are involved. Trustworthy answers can be obtained only through comprehensive numerical modeling of the general circulations of the atmosphere and oceans together with validation by comparison of the observed with the model-produced cloud types and amounts.
In other words, they don’t know but they’re sure the net is positive.
Regarding whether the models are able to accurately replicate regional climates, the report says:
At present, we cannot simulate accurately the details of regional climate and thus cannot predict the locations and intensities of regional climate changes with confidence. This situation may be expected to improve gradually as greater scientific understanding is acquired and faster computers are built.
So there you have it, folks. The climate sensitivity is 3°C per doubling of CO2, with an error of about ± 1.5°C. Net feedback is positive, although we don’t understand the clouds. The models are not yet able to simulate regional climates. No surprises in any of that. It’s just what you’d expect a NAS panel to say.
Now, before going forwards, since the NAS report is based on computer models, let me take a slight diversion to list a few facts about computers, which are a long-time fascination of mine. As long as I can remember, I wanted a computer of my own. When I was a little kid I dreamed about having one. I speak a half dozen computer languages reasonably well, and there are more that I’ve forgotten. I wrote my first computer program in 1963.
Watching the changes in computer power has been astounding. In 1979, the fastest computer in the world was the Cray-1 supercomputer. In 1979, a Cray-1 supercomputer, a machine far beyond anything that most scientists might have dreamed of having, had 8 Mb of memory, 10 Gb of hard disk space, and ran at 100 MFLOPS (million floating point operations per second). The computer I’m writing this on has a thousand times the memory, fifty times the disk space, and two hundred times the speed of the Cray-1.
And that’s just my desktop computer. The new NASA climate supercomputer “Gaea” shown in Figure 1 runs two and a half million times as fast as a Cray-1. This means that a one-day run on “Gaea” would take a Cray-1 about seven thousand years to complete …
Now, why is the speed of a Cray-1 computer relevant to the NAS report I quoted from above?
It is relevant because as some of you may have realized, the NAS report I quoted from above is called the “Charney Report“. As far as I know, it was the first official National Academy of Science statement on the CO2 question. And when I said it was a “recent report”, I was thinking about it in historical terms. It was published in 1979.
Here’s the bizarre part, the elephant in the climate science room. The Charney Report could have been written yesterday. AGW supporters are still making exactly the same claims, as if no time had passed at all. For example, AGW supporters are still saying the same thing about the clouds now as they were back in 1979—they admit they don’t understand them, that it’s the biggest problem in the models, but all the same but they’re sure the net feedback is positive. I’m not sure clear that works, but it’s been that way since 1979.
That’s the oddity to me—when you read the Charney Report, it is obvious that almost nothing of significance has changed in the field since 1979. There have been no scientific breakthroughs, no new deep understandings. People are still making the same claims about climate sensitivity, with almost no change in the huge error limits. The range still varies by a factor of three, from about 1.5 to about 4.5°C per doubling of CO2.
Meanwhile, the computer horsepower has increased beyond anyone’s wildest expectations. The size of the climate models has done the same. The climate models of 1979 were thousands of lines of code. The modern models are more like millions of lines of code. Back then it was atmosphere only models with a few layers and large gridcells. Now we have fully coupled ocean-atmosphere-cryosphere-biosphere-lithosphere models, with much smaller gridcells and dozens of both oceanic and atmospheric layers.
And since 1979, an entire climate industry has grown up that has spent millions of human-hours applying that constantly increasing computer horsepower to studying the climate.
And after the millions of hours of human effort, after the millions and millions of dollars gone into research, after all of those million-fold increases in computer speed and size, and after the phenomenal increase in model sophistication and detail … the guesstimated range of climate sensitivity hasn’t narrowed in any significant fashion. It’s still right around 3 ± 1.5°C per double of CO2, just like it was in 1979.
And the same thing is true on most fronts in climate science. We still don’t understand the things that were mysteries a third of a century ago. After all of the gigantic advances in model speed, size, and detail, we still can say nothing definitive about the clouds. We still don’t have a handle on the net feedback. It’s like the whole realm of climate science got stuck in a 1979 time warp, and has basically gone nowhere since then. The models are thousands of times bigger, and thousands of times faster, and thousands of times more complex, but they are still useless for regional predictions.
How can we understand this stupendous lack of progress, a third of a century of intensive work with very little to show for it?
For me, there is only one answer. The lack of progress means that there is some fundamental misunderstanding at the very base of the modern climate edifice. It means that the underlying paradigm that the whole field is built on must contain some basic and far-reaching theoretical error.
Now we can debate what that fundamental misunderstanding might be.
But I see no other explanation that makes sense. Every other field of science has seen huge advances since 1979. New fields have opened up, old fields have moved ahead. Genomics and nanotechnology and proteomics and optics and carbon chemistry and all the rest, everyone has ridden the computer revolution to heights undreamed of … except climate science.
That’s the elephant in the room—the incredible lack of progress in the field despite a third of a century of intense study.
Now me, I think the fundamental misunderstanding is the idea that the surface air temperature is a linear function of forcing. That’s why it was lethal for the Charney folks to answer the wrong question. They started with the assumption that a change in forcing would change the temperature, and wondered “how well could we project the climatic consequences?”
Once you’ve done that, once you’ve assumed that CO2 is the culprit, you’ve ruled out the understanding of the climate as a heat engine.
Once you’ve done that, you’ve ruled out the idea that like all flow systems, the climate has preferential states, and that it evolves to maximize entropy.
Once you’ve done that, you’ve ruled out all of the various thermostatic and homeostatic climate mechanisms that are operating at a host of spatial and temporal scales.
And as it turns out, once you’ve done that, once you make the assumption that surface temperature is a linear function of forcing, you’ve ruled out any progress in the field until that error is rectified.
But that’s just me. You may have some other explanation for the almost total lack of progress in climate science in the last third of a century, and if so, all cordial comments gladly accepted. Allow me to recommend that your comments be brief, clear and interesting.
w.
PS—Please do not compare this to the lack of progress in something like achieving nuclear fusion. Unlike climate science, that is a practical problem, and a devilishly complex one. The challenge there is to build something never seen in nature—a bottle that can contain the sun here on earth.
Climate, on the other hand, is a theoretical question, not a building challenge.
PPS—Please don’t come in and start off with version number 45,122,164 of the “Willis, you’re an ignorant jerk” meme. I know that. I was born yesterday, and my background music is Tom o’Bedlam’s song:
By a host of furious fancies Whereof I am commander With a sword of fire, and a steed of air Through the universe I wander. By a ghost of rags and shadows I summoned am to tourney Ten leagues beyond the wild world's end Methinks it is no journey.
So let’s just take my ignorance and my non compos mentation and my general jerkitude as established facts, consider them read into the record, and stick to the science, OK?
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verisimilitude = curve fitting = astrology
When the program is to blackball or fire anybody who deviates from the curve fit; then progress is virtually eliminated. Best example of such is probably the house arrest of Galileo.
The lack of science progress on this is the greatest scandal in history. The science is settled and anybody who fails to pay homage is labeled a denier.
The State of Virginia finds itself in a unique position of the Attorney General not being able to audit branches of his state government; while at the same time not being able to take advantage of laws written to allow investigation of non-government entities (any person, corporation, organization, etc.)
It seems we have created a huge secret society in America that can operate above the law.
[url]http://climateaudit.org/2012/03/05/above-the-law/[/url]
The really sad truth here is if indeed the planet were at risk from the emissions of CO2 the system of non-accountability of academia we have created has set the stage for us as a democratic nation to fully fail to realize it.
Nothing unusual or unexpected going on here. Any person, corporation, affiliation, organization, etc. given protection from accountability will always gravitate towards rent seeking and self interest.
Those on the research dollar bandwagon will energetically resist any diversion of funds towards any research not theirs and especially if it is viewed as threatening to their personal beliefs and efforts.
The National Academy of Sciences is a private not-for-profit that solicits work for its members. Its an exclusive trade organization, sort of a science aristocracy. Members are elected by current members. In any such exclusive organization the most highly valued qualification for entry is the ability to bring in funding and political connections. Just the facts.
Cracked me up. Loved the surprise twist. .
A couple more points:
1. Regarding linearity. I have come across this problem at a senior level within certain fields of scientific research, modelling, and policy within the earth sciences, (which was not in fields to do with climate science). The basic issue was assuming linearity in certain processes, which assumption was being driven by a social agenda; by assuming linearity it actually upgraded in importance their particular field of research over other fields, specialisations, and perspectives. It also appealed to those who pulled the purse strings and gave appointments, providing an apparently strong scientific argument for the increased importance of their particular field.
Linearity was most strongly assumed by those not only with a certain agenda, but also by those who had basic difficulty recognising and dealing with ‘valid variation’. The same people who assumed linearity had an inborn difficulty negotiating with different people and perspectives, and had a lot of difficulty understanding the nature of uncertainty; but there were good organisers, and they were good at thinking and working in a very structured environment. I got the impression they would make good engineers, but not good scientists.
2. regarding the sun and the ‘galileo phenomenon’: I would also add that in the last 30 years+ of climate science research, the sun has been downgraded and generally ignored for the same reason it’s influence, position, and importance was downgraded and misplaced when Galileo was around, it’s not only because climate scientists and the AGW movement can’t do anything about the sun’s influence that its importance has been ignored and downgraded, but also of course because if the sun has more influence and importance then it makes their entire position and purpose much less relevant and self-important. Climate science and c02 would not be the centre of the universe.
If they continue to misplace the position and influence of the sun in changing the earth’s climate because of a deep-seated, all-too-human, level of insecurity and self-importance (amongst other reasons), climate science will continue to stagnate and go nowhere.
“”thingadonta says: March 8, 2012 at 2:24 am
But during the 7 year drought from ~2002-2009 they didnt (sic) say it was slightly warmer because of the co- incident lack of cloud cover, “”
They are numbnuts.
A more active Sun means more solar winds and less cloud seeding cosmic ray particles and a faster thermal lapse rate, the opposite attracts more clouds and greater greenhouse effect from a slower thermal lapse rate. The absorbed heat distribution of the oceans drives a stable climate; somewhat explaining the weak sun phenomena.
The water vapor content of the southern atmospheric circulation is not surprising given the decade time frames to uniformly distribute the higher level of heat in the Earth that has been stored from the spike in solar activity of the late twentieth century. Although it is at the end of the monsoon season, the recent excessive moisture over south east Australia has blown in from the Tasman Sea. We are seeing a similar effect with snow across a large part of the NH.
Now with solar activity on the other side of a ‘maximum’ we will see the opposite in 6 – 8 years across Australia, with cold blue skies and droughts, after a return to the more dominate El Nino oscillation. In the meantime there will be increasingly mild weather with less water vapor. Darwin will remain 32C in winter and 33C in summer and rain every afternoon.
The NH will experience more water vapor in the lower latitudes for the next 6 – 8 years.
Both poles will continue increasing ice cover. And there will be less polar bear because it will be too cold to get food.
There has been no significant advancement in climate science because they are too wedded to models.
Until such time that they ditch the models and start going out in the real world and collecting empirical data and start conducting experiments that would shed light on the response to DWLWIR, there will be no significant advancement.
They are stuck in a GIGO syndrome. They need better raw material and they need to start understanding in greater detail, the real world. As you (and many others have repeatedly pointed out), they need to understand clouds and if they are to use these ghastly models (which I consider should be ditched for at least a generation) they need to be able to model clouds with accuracy.
Willis>
“If we were indeed certain that atmospheric carbon dioxide would increase on a known schedule, how well could we project the climatic consequences?”
Could you clarify your objection to that? It seems eminently reasonable to me. ‘The climactic consequences’ would include ‘nothing will happen’, but the question is whether we can predict anything at all. I don’t see any assumption there that climate will necessarily change.
When it comes to the computer issue, I agree with you that there may well be fundamental problems in climate science, but that computers haven’t delivered on your expectations in this area is probably unrelated; there are many other problems which have seen little significant progress over the years, like speech recognition, or travelling-salesman type problems.
Another classic Willis finding. I am sitting here bamboozled by the scientific new-speak and wishing they’d answered the original questions, would have been good for a laugh. But Willis isn’t dragged in to that particular morass. No, he simply comes back, stating the blooming obvious and hammers yet another nail in to their coffin. So what did they spend all that money on then? If it was Satellites and Argo buoys you might think they’d be more interested in the data coming back.
neo says:
March 7, 2012 at 11:02 pm
apparently you don’t understand that science is hypothesis driven nor do I guess you understand what a hypothesis actually is or is used for in these studies.
Otherwise you wouldn’t taking the hypothesis as predetermined fact
My hypothesis is that the above was supposed to make sense somehow but got lost when empirical adjustments of parameters were made to achieve verisimilitude.
My reading of the question is – why have other science-based disciplines progressed so much, but Climate Science hasn’t ? You may be right about fundamental flaws in the basic models, assumptions and approaches to the science. But I think there is a deeper reason why Climate Science hasn’t progressed as much, and why Climate Science’s flawed approach isn’t being replaced as rapidly as faulty models are replaced in other science disciplines.
Many other sciences have the advantage of being able to test their models via direct experimentation against objective reality, but Climate Science does not have clones of the Earth to experiment with nor the tools to experiment with the earth itself. The closest Climate Science can come to an experimental Earth are computer simulations- but because of the complexity of the Earth, these simulations are entirely inadequate for properly and objectively testing climate hypotheses.
The only real test and proof of Climate Science hypotheses are the on-going changes in the Earth’s climate itself – but this happens slowly in real-time and accurate data measurements have not been long established.
Worse still is that we cannot experimentally set the various parameters of the climate to check boundary assumptions in hypotheses – the earth’s climate hardly ever enters boundary conditions and computer simulations are useless for testing boundary conditions as they simply respond with the boundary assumptions designed in their programs. All we can do is wait for the earth itself to generate conditions that roughly fit various parameters of hypotheses and observe the climate responses. Only rarely does the earth or its climate enter a mode that can conclusively prove or disprove even a tiny part of any climate hypothesis.
Oops – typo in the first word – me should be ‘my’.
[Fixed. -w.]
I have said it before, and I will say it again. The only thing that we can trust in physics is the hard, measured, preferably independently replicated, observed data. The output of non-validated models tells us absolutely nothing.
The observed data shows conclusively that there is no CO2 “signal” which can be distinguished from the “noise” of natural variations. It is not there, No-one can find it. The question no one will answer is; how long will we have to wait for a CO2 “signal” to appear, before we conclude that no CO2 “signal” exists? In the end, proper scientists will realise that CAGW always was, still is, and always will be, just a hoax.
Willis, can you post a link to the NAS report you are discussing?
This is o/t, but possibly relevant. It involves PNAS.
Prehistoric Humans and Changing Climate Worked Together to Kill Off Great Ice Age Mammals.
http://www.archaeologydaily.com/news/201203078028/Prehistoric-Humans-and-Changing-Climate-Worked-Together-to-Kill-Off-Great-Ice-Age-Mammals.html
“It turns out that prehistoric human hunters of the Ice Age had significant help from the weather when it came to driving the big mammals, like mammoths and mastodons, to their extinction.
Their analysis suggested that it was actually the combination of hunting and/or habitat destruction caused by modern humans, and climate change, that caused the extinctions.
So reports the authors of a new study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS).”
How does PNAS apply this as a lesson for today?
“The key difference this time is that the climate change is not caused by fluctuations in the earth’s rotation axis but to warming caused by fossil fuel burning and deforestation by humans – a double whammy of our own making. We should learn the lesson and act urgently to moderate both types of impact.”
That seems like a big leap to a illogical conclusion.
A quick check of cO2 levels in the Quaternary Period:
“In the last 600 million years of Earth’s history only the Carboniferous Period and our present age, the Quaternary Period, have witnessed CO2 levels less than 400 ppm.”
http://geocraft.com/WVFossils/Carboniferous_climate.html
The paper, entitled ‘Quantitative global analysis of the role of climate and people in explaining late Quaternary megafaunal extinctions’, is published in the March 5, 2012 edition of the PNAS.
“How can we understand this stupendous lack of progress, a third of a century of intensive work with very little to show for it?”
Well, I think you’re right; they are stuck in a paradigm, but why did they get stuck? Because, they stopped doing science and concentrated on advocacy. Every study, every dime, and every research moment had to go into the advancement of policy. Politics will never answer science questions.
Excellent article, Willis. You totally nailed them.
My take on the problem, and please pardon me for repeating myself for the gazillionth time, is that climate science as practiced today is “a priori” rather than empirical. Once climate science becomes a serious empirical science, climate scientists will undertake empirical study of clouds. Something like a highly advanced ARGO system is needed for study of clouds, and maybe much more is needed. Until such empirical studies have demonstrated substantial progress, climate scientists should say nothing about future climate. The NAS should say nothing about future climate at this time.
Is there no one at the NAS who can distinguish between “a priori” studies and empirical studies? Is there no one at NAS to offer criticism of the sorry statement that Willis has quoted in this post?
As a young man working on electronic equipment ‘back in the day’, I had a simple philosophy. If you’ve been troubleshooting a problem too long you either a) are missing an indication or symptom; or b) you don’t know how the equipment is supposed to work.
You asked that we not draw analogies with fusion research, but please forgive me if I point out what may be the single most pertinent similarity. There are HUGE sums of money and power involved in NOT solving both questions.
I wish I could attribute the quote, but someone said, “Science + politics = politics.”
It seems to me that 90% of climate/weather research money is spent on theory/prediction and 10% on measurements. Isn’t the cart before the horse?
Treating the NAS document as a student essay that I am grading, I would be compelled to comment that one cannot write that the negative feedbacks, especially cloud behavior, are unknown at this time but that he net feedback will be positive. It is like a young man saying that he has no idea what the lady thinks of a future with him but that he is sure she will accept his proposal of marriage. The grade is F.
Why would NAS, supposedly serious scientists, write garbage like this? Does NAS not read what it writes for public consumption?
Your thoughts about the science never getting any better remind me of something that I believe Watson (of Watson and Crick fame) said about UFO’s years ago. He noted that in any ordinary experiment, the observations add up, a thousand small observations add together to give one a truer picture of reality. But, he noted, with UFO observations, that the “big picture” never changes no matter how many reports are made. The model never advances, the science never adds up, comparing it to a chemistry experiment, he said “it never reduces”. The story of UFO’s is the same today as it was 60 years ago.
He then made the scientific observation that if nothing ever adds up no matter how many thousands of observations you make, then by far the most likely conclusion is that whatever you are looking for just isn’t there. I would add that this is the natural result of thousands of people willfully deluding themselves in thousands of ways. Why? Because a lot of people like to delude themselves, and others, for all the same old reasons that people do anything that they do.
UFO’s – climate “science” – I think the two have quite a bit in common.
DirkH says:
March 8, 2012 at 2:04 am
They found themselves in a very comfortable position after the 1979 report and had no intention to leave that position. For them, the scientific question was answered: What triggers generous funding. A trillion Dollar industry was born. And it still works. Understanding clouds or aerosols threatens that comfortable position. Yes, I do assume malfeasance. They know very well what kind of game they are playing; that’s why they get so mad when challenged. (Like Gleick-mad, Hansen-mad, or Mann-mad.)
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Bingo, bango, bongo. Right in the bull’s eye, DirkH.
One day their madness too shall pass and we’ll look back and shake our heads. Our kids and grandkids will laugh at what morons we were as we scramble to rebuild our exhausted and leeched economies, repair the horrendous damage and look for ways to reclaim some of the loot, to punish a few offenders and find better ways to guard from such massive hijackings. And on the morning after, we’ll have to build a memorial to these charlattans so that we may remember how we and our children had been had, bamboozled, owned, pwned, bilked, robbed, mooched, bled, used and abused. We’ll inscribe an epitaph inspired by your post:
Science, for them, was not a search for mysteries and truth,
A reach for the distant stars, or the Fountain of Youth.
T’was but a frenzied grubbing,
And a drooling grunting
For a brief spot on the news,
And generous funding.
Willis,
You style is improving. I didn’t even realize it was you who wrote it until the end when you had sort of a relapse. Other than that comment, the whole thing makes a whole lot of sense.
Actually, there has been a sizeable increase in our understanding of clouds. The problem is that the answer that has been found is not the one the warmists are looking for, so they have rejected it.
The lack of progress means that there is some fundamental misunderstanding at the very base of the modern climate edifice. It means that the underlying paradigm that the whole field is built on must contain some basic and far-reaching theoretical error.
Exactly Willis! I have found it impossible to fix a problem that I misidentify the properties of.
Hum? what is a non scientist to think concerning how to determine who is correct in the Climate senstivity wars?
I notice that the projected positive feedbacks, which are completely theoretical, depend on the least understood aspects of the affect of water vapor and cloud formation, so the strong feedbacks PROJECTED are the least dependable, while the “OBSERVATIONS” used by Lindzen, Spencer, and others, support the lower estimates of climate sensitivity. Additional peer reviewed studies support stronger solar influences on albedo and cloud formation then previously projected, further supporting lower sensitivity. These studies are reinforced by OBSERVATIONS.
Mckitrick’s paper on the PROJECTED ‘hot spot” using IPCC PROJECTIONS, demonstrated that OBSERVED warming was 1/4 to 1/2 of the projected, and that was before the recent cooling.
I must go with the scientists who have observations to match their assertions.