Fundamental questions on Isostasy and Mean Sea-Level

Guest post by Andi Cockroft

Firstly, let me declare that I am not a current student of Geology or Geophysics. I studied Mathematics, Computer Science and Geology at University way back in the 60’s and I have focused my entire working life in IT. To this day, I still run a small IT company in New Zealand.

I follow the workings of the climate models with interest, since much of my University life was spent on Numerical Analysis and Stochastical Processing – the pre-cursors to today’s modelling. Although back then, Computer power was measured in kilo-flops, and the first mainframe I worked on was 20K. A 1Mb mainframe was but a pipe-dream – our biggest was 128K.

On the other hand, my groundings in Geology were at a time when my Professor was still agnostic about plate tectonics (although my tutor was an avid proponent thankfully). It was a time when magnetic striping of the mid-Atlantic was known but not totally understood. It was also a time when isostacy (although an old theory) was finding new support.

So, I offer this post not as any particular expert in the field, but rather to stimulate discussion from those far more familiarity with the concepts than I – please feel free to correct my impressions and limited understanding of the various topics

All I am proposing here are some of the fundamental questions that bother me regarding Isostacy, melting or re-freezing ice-caps and the effect on global mean sea-level (GMSL).

Firstly, just what is GMSL? I don’t believe it can ever be measured against one specific location on the globe – for just about everywhere on this planet is in motion to some degree or other – north/south, east-west, up/down – although our impression is of a stable terra-firma, geologically speaking it isn’t – it is more like the skin of a rice-pudding floating on the more fluid layers below.

If you ever played with your rice-pudding as a child, let the skin form and then pressed on it with your spoon? Press on one place and the skin will rise in another. So the Earth responds to increasing or decreasing pressures (or mass) on its crust.

The earth’s crust (or lithosphere) “floats” on the more fluid asthenosphere. The thickness and relative buoyancy of that part of the lithosphere will determine just how high or low it will “float”. When the buoyancy is in balance, it is said to be in isostatic equilibrium. There are many places that still today are not in isostatic equilibrium.

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In terms of mountain building, where for instance the Indian plate is hurtling northwards into the Eurasian plate giving rise to the Himalaya Mountains – the gravity measurements tell us that just like an iceberg, there is just as much if not more “Everest” below the crust as there is above it – the buoyancy of that extra material below is needed to support the weight of the Mountain Range above.

Imagine ice floating in a bath – add more weight on top and the ice will sink such that the Archimedes principle of displacement is yet again in equilibrium. Indeed, add too much weight and the whole iceberg will sink regardless – but that’s a diversion (think 2Km thick glacier!)

So back to the question – what is GMSL? To my way of understanding, it can only be measured against a theoretical spot, and must in this age of satellite and gps be measured relative to a reference datum and/or the calculated centre of the earth. Since the earth is not a true sphere – it is I believe referred to as an “oblate spheroid” – the averaging out of these measurements must be translated back into local datum to be able to measure against tide-gauges etc.

Then again, I have always maintained that Sea-Level is a local phenomenon – for many reasons.

Tides, temperature, winds, air-pressure as well as such phenomena such as ENSO etc

But given that statements implying GMSL was 300’ lower than today during the last ice-age, I ask the question – “but what was the real or relative sea-level back then in say New York State?” – in places under Kilometres of ice apparently. Certainly what is now the Great Lakes was inundated by huge ice flows.

That sheer weight of ice would have had the effect of pushing the underlying land-mass downward, to some extent counteracting the drop in GMSL – in fact (just in my imagination) – I believe that these areas would have been significantly below GMSL even with its 300’ decline.

Sorry I do not have the knowledge to do the calculation, but I hope here that group-science can answer the question.

There have been statements that New York was about 150 – 200 Kilometres inland during the last Ice Age 20,000 years ago – but would it have been? Wouldn’t Isostacy have taken the land-mass down with it?

One of the problems faced by modern day measurements of GMSL, is that Isostacy is still at work.

Remove the massive ice-flows from ice-age North America, and the continental land mass does not rebound instantly – it rebounds (uplifts) slowly – it is still rebounding today. As things equal themselves out over Geologic time, the land masses continue to rise, and as a counter, the ocean basins are actually falling. In other words, the oceans themselves gain a greater capacity to store water.

This expansion needs some accounting for, and this Global Isostacy Adjustment (GIA) is estimated at about the equivalent of 0.3 mm per year in GMSL, this at least partially offsets the predicted 3mm per year expansion of the oceans due to warming (that seems to have paused just now). Indeed, if thermal expansion of the oceans has paused, GIA will continue unabated and actually serve to lower observed GMSL.

All of this is a very roundabout way of me arguing that Sea Level is a local phenomenon, and calculating a GMSL whilst academically interesting serves no actual use. Certainly not in terms of Government and Policy decision-making.

imageIn England, long before Liverpool was ever heard of, the River Dee provided the main shipping for the North West. First Chester (used by the Romans), then further out to Burton and Neston and ultimately Parkgate were the main points of embarkation for Ireland. Visit Parkgate today, and the sea is many hundreds of metres away with a huge salt marsh in between.

In New Zealand, where I have lived this past quarter-century, there are many places where erosion is eating into the coast and houses are inexorably marching towards oblivion. In others, accretion of up to 1 metre per year is extending the land-mass ever seaward.

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Yet Local Government in these areas is focused almost entirely on projected changes to GMSL rather than what is physically happening.

The local authority here is planning on Climate Change bringing inundation despite all the evidence that the sea is retreating !!!

imageHowever, I digress. Looking further at Geologic Changes, and back to Isostacy for a moment, where two tectonic plates collide, one usually will ride over whilst the other suffers subduction. This is where we will find seismically active areas (sadly Christchurch here and many more such as Japan, China etc). We will also likely find mountain-building – as mentioned earlier, the Indian plate is still moving northward (150mm or 6” pa), and the Himalayas are still rising (5mm or 0.2” pa) – in geological terms still very active.

At the same time, the subduction zone may well create significant volcanic activity – New Zealand has its fair share.

But just about anywhere plates collide will see some degree of uplift. Again using New Zealand as an example, the main mountain range in the South Island is the Southern Alps. Current measurements show an uplift rate of about 7mm per year.

How this translates into vertical movement at either east or west coast I have been unable to determine, but it has to be happening, and ongoing.

In Wellington, the biggest recorded earthquake was a magnitude 8.2 in 1855. This uplifted the east of the City between 2 and 3 metres. Today’s airport is built on this uplifted land, and the current business district sits on reclaimed marshland exposed at that time.

Wandering along Wellington’s Lambton Quay (where boats used to dock), reveals brass plaques set into the pavement showing the shoreline in 1840 – the current Quay is about 300 metres away.

Given the magnitude of that earthquake, I suspect Wellington’s rate of uplift over larger time-intervals will be outpacing GMSL, but I could be wrong. By thesis, Cole (2010) identifies a shift in vertical position around 1944 – this following two large earthquakes in the preceding years.

There is nothing to suggest that Wellington’s upward thrust (to the east of the Wellington Fault) has ceased, so the next “big one” will likely see further uplift and hence a relative drop in Sea Level.

Local effects of Plate collisions, Isostacy rebound (eg Great lakes) etc., all serve to modify the impact of GMSL .

If we are to believe recent reports, some of the small Island Nations such as the Maldives may in fact be growing rather than being swamped under an ever-rising tide. Explain that one – I understand coral growth may be at work here but I’ve not seen anything truly convincing yet.

In other places, we are seeing true inundation but usually accompanied by more rational explanation such as pumping ground water.

So is the observed increase in GMSL of 3mm pa actually causing any significantly observable effects?

I remember the Thames Barrier being built to protect London from inundation, but that was to protect against a storm surge – where a massive low pressure system in the North Sea causes a correspondingly massive increase in local Sea Level. This is of the order of metres, not 300mm per century.

And one final question. As Cole (2010) discovered, atmospheric pressure has been falling over time.

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Ill-equipped as I am to perform the calculations, is this drop in barometric pressure yet one more factor affecting the calculation for GMSL?

As I said at the start, I do not have the skills necessary to answer these and many other questions posed above – just taking a leaf out of “justthefacts” methods – and asking from you the pundits to engage and answer via group-science. Be kind for I am not as used to this medium as Anthony and other major players.

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DocWat
March 4, 2012 7:31 am

To Andi Cockroft:
Thank you for your clear and unambiguous presentation.
I often complain here that the specialized language used by the “intellectual upper crust” far exceeds my learning from 6 years “at the university” where I studied Mathematics, Chemistry, Physics, Biology and Geology. I was especially pleased that you made an effort to explain language that may have been technical to most of those with lesser education. Again, Thank You!
Now I am going back and try to understand what everyone else had to say.

Ian L. McQueen
March 4, 2012 7:34 am

Slight correction
“Certainly what is now the Great Lakes was inundated by huge ice flows”; “flows” > “floes”.
I’ve jumped over all comments, so apologies if this has already been pointed out.
IanM

Ian L. McQueen
March 4, 2012 7:45 am

Sorry to do this, but it’s “isostasy”, not “isostacy”.
I have found some other instances of “flow” instead of “floe”.
IanM

March 4, 2012 7:50 am

IanM;
no one objected, because the ice sheets did indeed flow. Before they stopped and melted back.
🙂

crosspatch
March 4, 2012 7:59 am

Sounds bass-ackwards to me; if air is cooling, compressing, and settling it’s pulling air from somewhere else, reducing that area’s pressure. Pressure is a result of vertical mass, not temperature per se.

No, an area of high pressure is where you have air cooling and descending. That is why you have no clouds in a high pressure area. And I was NOT joking. In California, we experience “heat lows” in our desert. When you have air that is rising, you have a low pressure area. If the air is moist enough, you have condensation as that air rises and get rain.
THAT was NOT humor. When you have increased urban heat, you have air rising and lower barometric pressure. The rising air pulls in surrounding cooler air which is also heated and rises. The city acts as a convection heater.

John F. Hultquist
March 4, 2012 8:18 am

Caleb says:
March 4, 2012 at 12:31 am

Caleb,
Thanks for the link. I suppose this same set of processes went on at
Gros Morne National Park, Newfoundland. Fjords rebound to become fresh water lakes.

Steve Fox
March 4, 2012 8:21 am

Phillip Peake informs us that gas escaping to outer space won’t matter much. Reminds me of Tony Hancock’s immortal line when the doctor refers to his blood sample (rather than the full donation) as a pinprick – ‘it might just be a pinprick to you but it’s bloody life or death to me mate’.
How much of our air has got away already?
Why has it gone away, and can we get it back?
Can we complain to anyone about this?

Pluck
Reply to  Steve Fox
March 4, 2012 12:02 pm

Steve Fox: the atmosphere seems to be a great mystery to me. It doesn’t follow ordinary logic. Here, in our own small solar system, planets broadly similar to ours with hardly a breath of atmosphere, Mars, and a hundred times our atmosphere, Venus. Venus is often mentioned as a planet where global warming has gone wild: 860°F and a hundred thousand times more carbon dioxide. On Venus, is it so hot because there is so much carbon dioxide? or is there so much carbon dioxide because it is too hot to form carbonate minerals?

March 4, 2012 8:22 am

Dirk;
Yeah, that’s the guy. But not that doc.
http://www.climatechangefacts.info/ClimateChangeDocuments/NilsAxelMornerinterview.pdf

So, for example, those people in the IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change], choose Hong Kong, which has six tide gauges, and they choose the record of
one, which gives 2.3 mm per year rise of sea level. Every geologist knows that that is a subsiding area. It’s the compaction of sediment; it is the only record which you shouldn’t use. And if that figure is correct, then Holland would not be subsiding, it would be uplifting. And that is just ridiculous. Not even ignorance could be responsible for a thing like that. So tide gauges, you have to treat very, very carefully.

March 4, 2012 8:26 am

IanM;
IAC, “floes” are floaters:
A flat mass of ice (smaller than an ice field) floating at sea.

March 4, 2012 8:43 am

Andi Croft,
“As I said at the start, I do not have the skills necessary to answer these and many other questions posed above – just taking a leaf out of “justthefacts” methods – and asking from you the pundits to engage and answer via group-science. Be kind for I am not as used to this medium as Anthony and other major players.”
We appreciate your candor.
There are the sorts of people who follow this blog who probably can answer some of the questions, you raise, [I can’t] and I’m sure the rest of us would be interested in the answers. So, I propose a method to help that process along; which is to revise this post and add what might be termed ‘anti-footnotes’ to it. At each point in your article where you raise a point that you can’t actually answer put a number, then at the bottom of the post for each number place a statement or question that defines the issue that some interested reader can then take home and work on. Answers can then be replies here in the comments, or have Anthony promote the ‘answer’ to a guest post if warranted. The advantage is that the ‘rest of us’ can keep track of what the original question really was in the first place, and where it originated in your article.
I know I’m proposing extra work for a lot of other people, but here is a case where I have to admit I’m not qualified either.
W^3

March 4, 2012 8:52 am

As a fellow geologist of yore (though my education goes back to the mid-70s when plate tectonics was firmly accepted), I fell compelled to pick a nit about his statement “In Wellington, the biggest recorded earthquake was a magnitude 8.2 in 1855. This uplifted the east of the City between 2 and 3 metres.”
Earthquakes do not cause the land to rise. The land rising (or sliding) very, very quickly along a fault causes the earthquake. Maybe it’s just me, but I think that saying an earthquake caused the land to rise, or slip, xxx meters is putting the cart before the horse. It’s like saying the shock wave caused the explosion.
It’s a very, very tiny nit, but one that always bugs me.

ferd berple
March 4, 2012 8:56 am

EternalOptimist says:
March 4, 2012 at 1:02 am
@Lazy teenager
when water warms, it expands. are you sure about that ?
when ice melts it flows into the sea. are you sure about that ?
Both statements are false. 0-4C. evaporation.

Steve from Rockwood
March 4, 2012 9:04 am

I checked the NOAA web-site and it seems they reset the tidal gauges every 20-30 years (I find that hard to believe). Also the mean sea level (MSL) needs to be “updated” every so often because it has a 19 year cycle. Is there a place to get unadjusted tidal gauge measurements?
http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/est/faq.shtml

ferd berple
March 4, 2012 9:08 am

Sea-level rises and falls as Earth’s giant ice sheets shrink and grow. It has been thought that sea level around 81,000 years ago—well into the last glacial period—was 15 to 20 meters below that of today and, thus, that the ice sheets were more extensive. Dorale et al. (p. 860; see the Perspective by Edwards) now challenge this view. A speleothem that has been intermittently submerged in a cave on the island of Mallorca was dated to show that, historically, sea level was more than a meter above its present height. This data implies that temperatures were as high as or higher than now, even though the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere was much lower.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/02/11/new-paper-in-science-sea-level-81000-years-ago-1-meter-higher-while-co2-was-lower/

ferd berple
March 4, 2012 9:19 am

Terry Jackson says:
March 3, 2012 at 9:29 pm
An article in the Washington Post on early artifacts.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/radical-theory-of-first-americans-places-stone-age-europeans-in-delmarva-20000-years-ago/2012/02/28/gIQA4mriiR_story.html?hpid=z5
Recovered in a scallop were a Mastadon tusk and an 8″ stone blade.
More evidence that humans were in North America much earlier than typically believed. How did they cross over the glaciers to reach the east coast if first settlement was indeed from Asia via land bridge?

ferd berple
March 4, 2012 9:23 am

Its makers probably paddled from Europe and arrived in America thousands of years ahead of the western migration, making them the first Americans, argues Smithsonian Institution anthropologist Dennis Stanford.
“I think it’s feasible,” said Tom Dillehay, a prominent archaeologist at Vanderbilt University. “The evidence is building up, and it certainly warrants discussion.”
At the height of the last ice age, Stanford says, mysterious Stone Age European people known as the Solutreans paddled along an ice cap jutting into the North Atlantic. They lived like Inuits, harvesting seals and seabirds.
The Solutreans eventually spread across North America, Stanford says, hauling their distinctive blades with them and giving birth to the later Clovis culture, which emerged some 13,000 years ago.

davidmhoffer
March 4, 2012 9:29 am

ferd berple;
This data implies that temperatures were as high as or higher than now, even though the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere was much lower.>>>>
No, what it shows is that sea levels were higher at that place on earth at that time scale. Why is conjecture.

Edward Martin
March 4, 2012 9:41 am

Air pressure is falling! What a great new rain-maker for the grant-grabbers!

Steve from Rockwood
March 4, 2012 9:41 am

The shoreline of French Guiana is in some trouble from sediment redistribution, due to natural and anthropogenic causes, the main cause being the 18.6 lunar cycle and secondary causes including dredging. I especially like Figure 1 which shows a 10 cm rise and fall in the MSL. One question is “does the mean sea level return to its original value taking into account the lunar/solar cycles only, or are there longer cycles that we don’t know about”. When you’re talking about mm per year over decades after removal of a +/- 10 cm 18.6 cycle I think that is a fair question.
http://www.lthe.fr/PagePerso/gratiot/publi/gratiot_et_al_NGeo08.pdf

Ian L. McQueen
March 4, 2012 10:13 am

I’ve finally finished reading all comments (and the articles). Both were interesting and informative. I try to read everything at WUWT and CA because it is like a continuing university education in a subject that I knew little about before. Thank you, Andi, Anthony, and Steve (and others).
IanM

DBCooper
March 4, 2012 10:36 am

“Wandering along Wellington’s Lambton Quay (where boats used to dock), reveals brass plaques set into the pavement showing the shoreline in 1840 – the current Quay is about 300 metres away.”
I was in Wellington last month and toured the downtown waterfront. The area from the water to the base of the hill on which the Beehive sits is composed of fill. It was produced by human effort, not a sea level change. I suspect that is true of most if not all of the flat areas adjoining the harbor.

Kev-in-UK
March 4, 2012 11:03 am

I have only read some of the comments, so apologies if I repeat anyones thoughts
I did my first degree (geology) in the 70’s – so I know what you mean regarding stubborn professors, even though plate tectonics was pretty well accepted (Oh no – concensus science again! LOL), there were still some diehards!!
The primary issue, IMO, is that there needs to be a suitable datum as a start point. This datum needs to be used as reference across all the areas/oceans of sea level measurement.
I don’t know, but I should imagine that a number of satellites could cross reference several fixed points within their ‘view’, suitably overlapped with other satellites and should, with care be able to produce a 3D GPS based image of those fixed points. I have no idea of the actual GPS satellite accuracy, but if they could get sufficient overlap and sufficient points, perhaps they could measure the actual ‘shape’ of the landmass parts of the earth reasonably well and as I say, produce a 3D image – (but I somehow doubt it!). The generic term Geoid is supposed to be applicable to an equipotential earths surface and I seem to remember Grace was supposed to help in this regard, but how it relates to possible satellite height measurements, again, I don’t know!
Movement between these ‘fixed’ reference points would clearly indicate isostatic or crustal movements – but the crux of the issue is the 3D aspect, which would give an indication of the volumetric change. The more points, the more accurate the indication.
Hence, if we were to take the view that say increased solar gravity (when we are nearer the sun!) pulls the earth ‘out’ a bit – this could be reflected in the apparent (3D) measured volume? Theoretically, we may even see the ‘tug’ of the moon as it passes around too, along with any other gravitational planetary conjunctions?
Then, the actual volume of the earth (a rough sphere, or the geoid) is critical in defining the surface area, and thereby, the area upon which a given volume of water can reside.
Thus, if we imagine a balloon expanding or contracting, with a thin surface thickness of some viscous fluid (treacle?) upon its surface, as the balloon expands, the fluid thickness decreases, or as it contracts, the fluid thickness increases. As a very rough analogy, this is what I imagine an expanding or contracting earth will do to the sea level.
So, as a reference datum – I feel the earths ‘volume’ measurement (and any variation therein) is critical as a starting point. Thereafter, the next data is likely to be the actual sea level surface at many points around the globe, corrected for lunar/tidal influences. Again, the change in sea level measured around the globe may be seen to be related to the earth reference volume (or not?). As we have seen, SL measurements are seemingly difficult on their own!
But, also of course – the land mass ‘image’ is only 30% of the earth surface! – so we also need to have an accurate idea of the depth of the seafloor(s) and hence the ‘volume’ of the ocean basins available to ‘hold’ the seawater! We have the mid atlantic ridge, forming crust and widening the ocean floor by cms per year – but is it rising a bit too?, or falling? is this resulting in a net atlantic ocean volume ‘space’ reduction (i.e. sea level rise) or increase (i.e. SL drop!). Then if we consider subduction zones, and uplift of crustal edges, colliding continents, etc – we really are in the realms of the unknown.
Then there is the real hydrological aspect – i.e. where is all the earthbound water? how much of it has been evaporated into the atmosphere and is water to come back down as rain? has some rainfall been ‘held up’ in the crustal rocks? How much has been laid down as snow/ice? The simple timelags between winter and summer in the higher latitudes will no doubt cause a pulse reaction in available ‘water’, and of course will be subject to local climate variation…LOL.
I won’t even mention the thermal expansion properties of water, density issues, etc, etc – but I would anticipate that 97% of geologists (and others!) will realise (after about 1 minutes thought) that a simple ‘metric’ comprising a global mean sea level is even more ridiculous than a global mean temperature value – it may be a nice theoretical metric – but it certainly is not something that is a realistic concept – the required amount of measurement(s), gridding, analysis and computation is simply mind boggling….
I am sure there is much I have missed – but I was just trying to give a flavour of the problems a simple ‘global mean sea level’ value causes.
regards
Kev

Pluck
Reply to  Kev-in-UK
March 4, 2012 12:26 pm

Kev-in-UK: enjoyed this comment. Thanks.

Ken Harvey
March 4, 2012 11:40 am

Thanks Andi. Well thought out.
Isostacy is the usual English usage (despite the Greek stasis element), or at least it was when I went to school many, many decades ago.
“Missing information can be measured to improve the accuracy.”, courtesy of Lazy Teenager somewhere above. My son, we already have too many people measuring stuff that is missing without actually determining what the missing stuff is nor where it can be found.

Joachim Seifert
March 4, 2012 12:06 pm

To Andi: Two points I would like to make:
(1) Air pressure drops on a historical scale is due to AIR MASS LOSSES into Space…
see a recent Post: Giant veil of plasma detected….” showing that the Sun bites
at the top atmosphere and chews up air molecules into protons…..
(This effect is belittled by Warmists because they do not like to deduct air mass from their
Warming forecasts….)
(2) I read somewhere that the Earth expands in volume, that the oceans rip open
[Atlantic 10 cm, Pacific 20 cm/year] and the voids above these crevasses are filled
with water flowing away from + lifting land shore lines out of the water….
…. Most plate tectonic explanations nowadays reckon that the same 20 cm lost are
gained on other shores such as California, whereby plate tectonic occurs by one plate
disappearing under the second….. But I doubt this because I never heard about a
distance shrinking of 20 cm between, lets say Hawaii and San Francisco…. where plates are
reckoned to go under each other….
For this Earth volume expansion, all known historical harbour sites (Greek, Middle East,
Pakistan, Japan…etc) are today several meters above the present day sea level….
Find out more about historical harbours…..
JS

sangaman
March 4, 2012 12:10 pm

You are out to lunch..The edge of the continents are subsiding not rebounding..due to slow collapse of the mantle forebulge…This mantle material is slowly sneaking back to the former ice centers (Northern Quebec) and causing rise in those areas …At least half of present day sea level rise in many continental margin areas adjacent to these ice sheets is a result of the this forebulge collapse.