Why CAGW theory is not “settled science”

In Andi Cockroft’s story yesterday Climate Science and Special Relativity he asked a prescient question:

For the general public that does not have an objective scientific bent, how do you tell virtual reality from the real thing?

Dr. Brown responded in comments, which was so well thought out, it benefits everyone by elevating it to full post status, and thus is presented below. Like The Skeptics Case, I highly recommend this one as a “must read”. – Anthony

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Guest post by Dr. Robert Brown, Duke University Physics Department

For the general public that does not have an objective scientific bent, how do you tell virtual reality from the real thing?

That’s a serious problem, actually. Hell, I have an objective scientific bent and I have plenty of trouble with it.

Ultimately, the stock answer is: We should believe the most what we can doubt the least, when we try to doubt very hard, using a mix of experience and consistent reason based on a network of experience-supported best (so far) beliefs.

That’s not very hopeful, but it is accurate. We believe Classical Non-Relativistic Mechanics after Newton invents it, not because it is true but because it works fairly consistently to describe Kepler’s purely observational laws, and (as it is tested) works damn well to describe a lot of quotidian experience as well on a scale less grand than planetary orbits. We encounter trouble with classical mechanics a few hundred years later when it fails to consistently describe blackbody radiation, the photoelectric effect (the one thing Einstein actually got the Nobel Prize for), the spectra of atoms, given Maxwell’s enormously successful addition to the equations of electricity and magnetism and the realization that light is an electromagnetic wave.

Planck, Lorentz, Einstein, Bohr, de Broglie, Schrodinger, Heisenberg and many others successively invent modifications that make space-time far more complex and interesting on the one hand — relativity theory — and mechanics itself far, far more complex than Newton could ever have dreamed. The changes were motivated, not by trying to be cool or win prizes, but by failures of the classical Euclidean theory to explain the data! Basically, Classical flat-space mechanics was doomed the day Maxwell first wrote out the correct-er equations of electrodynamics for the first time. We suddenly had the most amazing unified field theory, one that checked out empirically to phenomenal accuracy, and yet when we applied to cases where it almost had to work certain of its predictions failed spectacularly.

In fact, if Maxwell’s Equations and Newton’s Law were both true, the Universe itself should have existed for something far, far less than a second before collapsing in a massive heat death as stable atoms based on any sort of orbital model were impossible. Also, if Maxwell’s equations and flat spacetime with time an independent variable was correct, the laws of nature would not have had the invariance with respect to reference frame that Newtonian physics had up to that time enjoyed. In particular, moving a charged particle into a different inertial reference frame caused magnetic fields to appear, making it clear that the electric and magnetic fields were not actually vector forms! The entire geometry and tensor nature of space and time in Newtonian physics was all wrong.

This process continues today. Astronomer’s observe the rotational properties of distant galaxies to very high precision using the red shift and blue shift of the stars as they orbit the galactic center. The results don’t seem to agree with Newton’s Law of Gravitation (or for that matter, with Einstein’s equivalent theory of general relativity that views gravitation as curvature of spacetime. Careful studies of neutrinos lead to anomalies, places where theory isn’t consistent with observation. Precise measurements of the rates at which the Universe is expanding at very large length scales (and hence very long times ago, in succession as one looks farther away and back in time at distant galaxies) don’t quite add up to what the simplest theories predict and we expect. Quantum theory and general relativity are fundamentally inconsistent, but nobody knows quite how to make a theory that is “both” in the appropriate limits.

People then try to come up with bigger better theories, ones that explain everything that is well-explained with the old theories but that embrace the new observations and explain them as well. Ideally, the new theories predict new phenomena entirely and a careful search reveals it there where the theory predicts. And all along there are experiments — some of them fabulous and amazing — discovering high temperature superconductors, inventing lasers and masers, determining the properties of neutrinos (so elusive they are almost impossible to measure at all, yet a rather huge fraction of what is going on in the Universe). Some experiments yield results that are verified; others yield results — such as the several times that magnetic monopoles have been “observed” in experiments — that have not been reproducible and are probably spurious and incorrect. Neutrinos that might — even now — have gone faster than light, but again — probably not. A Higgs particle that seems to appear for a moment as a promising bump in an experimental curve and then fades away again, too elusive to be pinned down — so far. Dark matter and dark energy that might explain some of the unusual cosmological observations but a) are only one of several competing explanations; and b) that have yet to be directly observed. The “dark” bit basically means that they don’t interact at all with the electromagnetic field, making them nearly impossible to see — so far.

Physicists therefore usually know better than to believe the very stuff that they peddle. When I teach students introductory physics, I tell them up front — “Everything I’m going to teach you over the next two semesters is basically wrong — but it works, and works amazingly well, right up to where it doesn’t work and we have to find a better, broader explanation.” I also tell them not to believe anything I tell them because I’m telling them, and I’m the professor and therefore I know and its up to them to parrot me and believe it or else. I tell them quite the opposite. Believe me because what I teach you makes sense (is consistent), corresponds at least roughly with your own everyday experience, and because when you check it in the labs and by doing computations that can be compared to e.g. planetary observations, they seem to work. And believe me only with a grain of salt then — because further experiments and observations will eventually prove it all wrong.

That isn’t to say that we don’t believe some things very strongly. I’m a pretty firm believer in gravity, for example. Sure, it isn’t exactly right, or consistent with quantum theory at the smallest and perhaps largest of scales, but it works so very, very well in between and it is almost certainly at least approximately true, true enough in the right milieu. I’m very fond of Maxwell’s Equations and both classical and, in context, quantum theory, as they lead to this amazing description of things like atoms and molecules that is consistent and that works — up to a point — to describe nearly everything we see every day. And so on.

But if somebody were to argue that gravitation isn’t really a perfect 1/r^2 force, and deviations at very long length scales are responsible for the observed anomalies in galactic rotation, I’d certainly listen. If the new theory still predicts the old results, explains the anomaly, I’d judge it to be quite possibly true. If it predicted something new and startling, something that was then observed (variations in near-Earth gravitation in the vicinity of Uranium mines, anomalies in the orbits of planets near black holes, unique dynamics in the galactic cores) then I might even promote it to more probably true than Newton’s Law of Gravitation, no matter how successful, simple, and appealing it is. In the end, it isn’t esthetics, it isn’t theoretic consistency, it isn’t empirical support, it is a sort of a blend of all three, something that relies heavily on common sense and human judgement and not so much on a formal rule that tells us truth.

Where does that leave one in the Great Climate Debate? Well, it damn well should leave you skeptical as all hell. I believe in the theory of relativity. Let me explain that — I really, really believe in the theory of relativity. I believe because it works; it explains all sorts of experimental stuff. I can run down a list of experimental observations that are explained by relativity that could scarcely be explained by anything else — factors of two in spin-orbit coupling constants, the tensor forms and invariants of electromagnetism, the observation of \mu-mesons produced from cosmic ray collisions in the upper atmosphere far down near the surface of the Earth where they have no business being found given a lifetime of \sim 2 microseconds — and observation I personally have made — and of course all the particle accelerators in the known Universe would fail miserably in their engineering if relativity weren’t at least approximately correct. Once you believe in relativity (because it works) it makes some very profound statements about causality, time ordering, and so on — things that might well make all the physics I think that I know inconsistent if it were found to be untrue.

Yet I was — and continue to be — at least willing to entertain the possibility that I might have to chuck the whole damn thing, wrong from top to bottom — all because a silly neutrino in Europe seems to be moving faster than it should ever be aver to move. Violations of causality, messages from the future, who knows what carnage such an observation (verified) might wreak! I’m properly skeptical because what we have observed — so far — works so very consistently, and the result itself seems to be solidly excluded by supernova data already in hand, but you know, my beliefs don’t dictate reality — it is rather the other way around.

The sad thing about the Great Climate Debate is that so far, there hasn’t really been a debate. The result is presented, but no one ever takes questions from the podium and is capable of defending their answers against a knowledgeable and skeptical questioner.

I can do that for all of my beliefs in physics — or at least, most of them — explain particular experiments that seem to verify my beliefs (as I do above). I’m quite capable of demonstrating their consistency both theoretically (with other physical laws and beliefs) and with experiment. I’m up front about where those beliefs fail, where they break down, where we do not know how things really work. Good science admits its limits, and never claims to be “settled” even as it does lead to defensible practice and engineering where it seems to work — for now.

Good science accepts limits on experimental precision. Hell, in physics we have to accept a completely non-classical limitation on experimental precision, one so profound that it sounds like a violation of simple logic to the uninitiated when they first try to understand it. But quite aside from Heisenberg, all experimental apparatus and all measurements are of limited precision, and the most honest answer for many things we might try to measure is “damfino” (damned if I know).

The Great Climate Debate, however, is predicated from the beginning on one things. We know what the global average temperature has been like for the past N years, where N is nearly anything you like. A century. A thousand years. A hundred thousand years. A hundred million years. Four billion years.

We don’t, of course. Not even close. Thermometers have only been around in even moderately reliable form for a bit over 300 years — 250 would be a fairer number — and records of global temperatures measured with even the first, highly inaccurate devices are sparse indeed until maybe 200 years ago. Most of the records from over sixty or seventy years ago are accurate to no more than a degree or two F (a degree C), and some of them are far less accurate than that. As Anthony has explicitly demonstrated, one can confound even a digital electronic automatic recording weather station thermometer capable of at least 0.01 degree resolution by the simple act of setting it up in a stupid place, such as the southwest side of a house right above a concrete driveway where the afternoon sun turns its location into a large reflector oven. Or in the case of early sea temperatures, by virtue of measuring pails of water pulled up from over the side with crude instruments in a driving wind cooling the still wet bulb pulled out of the pail.

In truth, we have moderately accurate thermal records that aren’t really global, but are at least sample a lot of the globe’s surface exclusive of the bulk of the ocean for less than one century. We have accurate records — really accurate records — of the Earth’s surface temperatures on a truly global basis for less than forty years. We have accurate records that include for the first time a glimpse of the thermal profile, in depth, of the ocean, that is less than a decade old and counting, and is (as Willis is pointing out) still highly uncertain no matter what silly precision is being claimed by the early analysts of the data. Even the satellite data — precise as it is, global as it is — is far from free from controversy, as the instrumentation itself in the several satellites that are making the measurements do not agree on the measured temperatures terribly precisely.

In the end, nobody really knows the global average temperature of the Earth’s surface in 2011 within less than around 1K. If anybody claims to, they are full of shit. Perhaps — and a big perhaps it is — they know it more precisely than this relative to a scheme that is used to compute it from global data that is at least consistent and not crazy — but it isn’t even clear that we can define the global average temperature in a way that really makes sense and that different instruments will measure the same way. It is also absolutely incredibly unlikely that our current measurements would in any meaningful way correspond to what the instrumentation of the 18th and 19th century measured and that is turned into global average temperatures, not within more than a degree or two.

This complicates things, given that a degree or two (K) appears to be very close to the natural range of variation of the global average temperature when one does one’s best to compute it from proxy records. Things get more complicated still when all of the best proxy reconstructions in the world get turned over and turned out in favor of “tree ring reconstructions” based upon — if not biased by — a few species of tree from a tiny handful of sites around the world.

The argument there is that tree rings are accurate thermometers. Of course they aren’t — even people in the business have confessed (in climategate letters, IIRC) that if they go into their own back yards and cut down trees and try to reconstruct the temperature of their own back yard based on the rings, it doesn’t work. Trees grow one year because your dog fertilizes them, fail to grow another not because it is cold but because it is dry, grow poorly in a perfect year because a fungus attacks the leaves. If one actually plots tree ring thicknesses over hundreds of years, although there is a very weak signal that might be thermal in nature, there is a hell of a lot of noise — and many, many parts of the world simply don’t have trees that survived to be sampled. Such as the 70% of the Earth’s surface that is covered by the ocean…

But the complication isn’t done yet — the twentieth century perhaps was a period of global warming — at least the period from roughly 1975 to the present where we have reasonably accurate records appears to have warmed a bit — but there were lots of things that made the 20th century, especially the latter half, unique. Two world wars, the invention and widespread use and testing of nuclear bombs that scattered radioactive aerosols throughout the stratosphere, unprecedented deforestation and last but far from least a stretch where the sun appeared to be far more active than it had been at any point in the direct observational record, and (via various radiometric proxies) quite possibly for over 10,000 years. It isn’t clear what normal conditions are for the climate — something that historically appears to be nearly perpetually in a state of at least slow change, warming gradually or cooling gradually, punctuated with periods where the heating or cooling is more abrupt (to the extent the various proxy reconstructions can be trusted as representative of truly global temperature averages) — but it is very clear indeed that the latter 19th through the 20th centuries were far from normal by the standards of the previous ten or twenty centuries.

Yet on top of all of this confounding phenomena — with inaccurate and imprecise thermal records in the era of measurements, far less accurate extrapolations of the measurement era using proxies, with at most 30-40 years of actually accurate and somewhat reproducible global thermal measurements, most of it drawn from the period of a Grand Solar Maximum — climatologists have claimed to find a clear signal of anthropogenic global warming caused strictly by human-produced carbon dioxide. They are — it is claimed — certain that no other phenomena could be the proximate cause of the warming. They are certain when they predict that this warming will continue until a global catastrophe occurs that will kill billions of people unless we act in certain ways now to prevent it.

I’m not certain relativity is correct, but they are certain that catastrophic anthropogenic global warming is a true hypothesis with precise predictions and conclusions. I have learned to doubt numerical simulations that I myself have written that are doing simple, easily understandable things that directly capture certain parts of physics. They are doing far, far more complex numerical simulations — the correct theoretical answer, recall, is a solution to a set of coupled non-Markovian Navier-Stokes equation with a variable external driver and still unknown feedbacks in a chaotic regime with known important variability on multiple decadal or longer timescales — and yet they are certain that their results are correct, given the thirty plus years of accurate global thermal data (plus all of the longer timescale reconstructions or estimates they can produce from the common pool of old data, with all of its uncertainties).

Look, here’s how you can tell — to get back to your question. You compare the predictions of their “catastrophic” theory five, ten, twenty years back to the actual data. If there is good agreement, it is at least possible that they are correct. The greater the deviation between observed reality and their predictions, the more likely it is that their result is at least incorrect if not actual bullshit. That’s all. Accurately predicting the future isn’t proof that they are right, but failing to predict it is pretty strong evidence that they are wrong.

Such a comparison fails. It actually fails way back in the twentieth century, where it fails to predict or explain the cooling from 1945 to roughly 1965-1970. It fails to predict the little ice age. It fails to predict the medieval climate optimum, or the other periods in the last 10,000 years where the proxy record seems to indicate that the world was as warm or warmer than it is today. But even ignoring that — which we can, because those proxy reconstructions are just as doubtful in their own way as the tree-ring reconstructions, with or without a side-serving of confirmation bias to go with your fries — even ignoring that, it fails to explain the 33 or so years of the satellite record, the only arguably reliable measure of actual global temperatures humans have ever made. For the last third of that period, there has been no statistically significant increase in temperature, and it may even be that the temperature has decreased a bit from a 1998 peak. January of 2012 was nearly 0.1C below the 33 year baseline.

This behavior is explainable and understandable, but not in terms of their models, which predicted that the temperature would be considerably warmer, on average, than it appears to be, back when they were predicting the future we are now living. This is evidence that those models are probably wrong, that some of the variables that they have ignored in their theories are important, that some of the equations they have used have incorrect parameters, incorrect feedbacks. How wrong remains to be seen — if global temperatures actually decline for a few years (and stretch out the period with no increase still further in the process) — it could be that their entire model is fundamentally wrong, badly wrong. Or it could be that their models are partially right but had some of the parameters or physics wrong. Or it could even be that the models are completely correct, but neglected confounding things are temporarily masking the ongoing warming that will soon come roaring back with a catastrophic vengeance.

The latter is the story that is being widely told, to keep people from losing faith in a theory that isn’t working — so far — the way that it should. And I have only one objection to that. Keep your hands off of my money while the theory is still unproven and not in terribly good agreement with reality!

Well, I have other objections as well — open up the debate, acknowledge the uncertainties, welcome contradictory theories, stop believing in a set of theoretical results as if climate science is some sort of religion… but we can start with shit-canning the IPCC and the entire complex arrangement of “remedies” to a problem that may well be completely ignorable and utterly destined to take care of itself long before it ever becomes a real problem.

No matter what, we will be producing far less CO_2 in 30 years than we are today. Sheer economics and the advance of physics and technology and engineering will make fossil-fuel burning electrical generators as obsolete as steam trains. Long before we reach any sort of catastrophe — assuming that CAGW is correct — the supposed proximate cause of the catastrophe will be reversing itself without anyone doing anything special to bring it about but make sensible economic choices.

In the meantime, it would be so lovely if we could lose one single phrase in the “debate”. The CAGW theory is not “settled science”. I’m not even sure there is any such thing.

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John W. Garrett
March 2, 2012 10:32 am

Dr. Brown’s essay may be the single most rational piece on The Great Climate Debate that I’ve ever read ( with the possible exception of Mr. Eschenbach’s lucid thoughts ).
It should be required reading for every member of Congress and every member of the National Academy of Sciences.

Zeke
March 2, 2012 10:33 am

Perhaps Dr. Brown would like to perform a test to empirically confirm the freedom he believes he has in the classroom to question the scientific paradigms. He can do this by using plain evidence and measurements which contradict the Big Bang and GR. In the experiment he may simply present the actual writings and data of omitted scientists, ask the following questions of his class, and of course invite other professors to sit in:
If the sun bends light by curving spacetime by its mass, then why doesn’t the center of our galaxy bend light? (Dr. Dowdye of NASA)
If high redshift quasars are racing away from us in an expanding universe, why do quasars appear in pairs on the axis’ of active galaxies, sometimes even attached to low redshift galaxies by material bridges? (Dr Halton Arp)
Now that would be even more interesting than his claim that he has the lateral movement and intellectual freedom to tell his students not to believe him or to take him with a grain of salt.

March 2, 2012 10:36 am

Kudos, Dr. Brown! You remind me very much of my first physics prof, who is now one of my best friends. We followed the neutrino story closely and talked often about the implications for physics and other disciplines should their result prove out. The difference between the physics community’s reaction to an unexpected experimental result is what science is all about.
The incestuous climate science community could learn a lot were they to abandon their “cause” and examine how real science is done.
I’ve worked on very large mainframes processing tremendous amounts of data and when I first heard that the “solutions” are predicated on the “proof” created by computer models I immediately found the entire subject absurd. I know full well how difficult it is to program a relatively straightforward process in which all factors are documented, assigned values and in their proper sequence.
The notion that these people are writing code that supposedly accounts for all factors in the entire planet’s climate is ridiculous on its face. No matter what the liked of Mann declared I dismissed it as the rantings of an overeducated panhandler.
Thanks so much for the fabulous post!

Mydogsgotnonose
March 2, 2012 10:37 am

The IPCC models are based on 4 basic mistakes in physics, two of which** are elementary and should have never been made by any professional scientist with proper physics’ training. The other two*** are more subtle.
**’Back radiation’, in reality Prevost Exchange Energy, can do no thermodynamic work and you only detect it by putting a shield behind the detector so the standing wave between the emitting/absorbing density of states is disrupted. By insisting it is an energy flow, the climate models produce imaginary positive feedback. Hansen’s claim of 33 K present GHG warming includes lapse rate warming.
***The assumption of 100% direct thermalisation of IR photons presupposes a mechanism that doesn’t exist. Tyndall’s experiment which supposedly proved the heating is high was constant volume so most warming was from the constrained increase of pressure. You prove this by slackening the cap of the PET bottle experiment, much less temperature rise and that is probably from absorption of scattered IR by the bottle walls. Sagan’s two stream approximation to the aerosol optical physics of clouds is wrong because it assumes one optical process when there are two.
This farrago dominated by scientifically limited prima donnas must end.

March 2, 2012 10:43 am

Frosty says:
March 2, 2012 at 10:27 am
“Maybe its an American thing (like aluminum vs aluminium) … but isn’t it “a scientific BENT” not “a scientific bend”? A bent refers to having an inclination towards something; a bend refers to being curved?”
Sorry about that. Possibly a Fraudian slip in there could be something crooked in the virtual reality of what if climate models.

March 2, 2012 10:44 am

Thank you, Dr Brown, for your helpful and readable article. You hit the nail on its head about the meaning of uncertainties all fields of knowledge face with that little problem of telling the difference between the real and the virtual realities. And imagine how acute these reality uncertainties can be for those of us who are challenged in the physical sciences and maths. We’re in the unenviable position.
Yet, all is not lost! “Process learning” helps us to understand what sound methodology is and how to evaluate and asses knowledge. This is how many of us science-poor types came to the conclusion that there is something wrong with the CAGW hypothesis. The “settled science claim,” the boorish argments from authority, the involvement of political and financial elites, the crude propaganda tactics, the suspicious remedies to a manufactured crisis. Of course, it doesn’t mean process and methodology will always lead us to the right answers, but a skeptical baseline, rational thought and being comfortable with change and uncertainties will probably take us further than any other way.

Barefoot boy from Brooklyn
March 2, 2012 10:44 am

Hands down, the best thing I have read on the subject in my 20 years of reading much on both sides of this issue. Congratulations, and keep up the good work.

March 2, 2012 10:46 am

Dear Dr. Brown:
Nice discussion. You know the people who sidle into your office to offer their theories of everything? Theories they can’t write down? That’s the climate science modality at work: kooks with money and the sure and certain knowledge that what sells, works.

March 2, 2012 10:47 am

Ah, yes, just saw your post Mr Larry Ledwick, thanks for finding and recommending Dr Brown’s article!

Editor
March 2, 2012 10:49 am

Robert Brown says:
March 2, 2012 at 10:13 am

… At $1/watt unsubsidized — $5000 for 5 kW worth $50/month, you pay off the investment in 100 months — call it 120 to allow for the cost of the money — ten years. The next 20 years are “pure income” of $50/month. For humans even 10 year amortization is a bit daunting, although people spend more than this on high tech furnaces and AC units already for equally long payoffs — but for power companies it starts looking very attractive — $600 a year income out of a fully paid $5000 initial investment with a 30 year lifetime is actually pretty nice. Over 30 years, you make at least $2 for every $1 you originally spent, no subsidy.

Dang, Robert, and you were doing so well, too. Sorry, but that makes no sense at all.
Folks, pay absolutely no attention to the numbers in the paragraph above. Robert is a great and very smart guy, but he thinks that there are no other costs in a solar system other than the cost of the cells … no costs for the land, no costs for the racks, no costs for the tie-ins, no costs for backup, no costs for inverters, no costs for power conditioners, no costs for anything else.
The problem is not the cost of the solar cells, Robert. At present those cells are only about a quarter of the cost of the total installation. So all of your rosy predictions about Moore’s Law and the costs of the cells are meaningless. The cost per cell could go to zero and solar still would be uneconomical in almost all locations.
For example, using your figures above, if the solar cells themselves pay off in 120 months (ten years), then the full system (4x the cell cost) will pay off in about forty years … funny, I don’t see people rushing to do that. And even if the solar cells were free, the payoff time would be thirty years.
Next, somehow you’ve totally overlooked the fact that building a 100-MW solar plant to cover increased demand means that you also have to build a 100-MW conventional plant for backup … what does that do to your “ten-year payout” illusion above?
Finally, folks say “but when regular fuel costs rise, solar will be competitive”. But the costs of both the solar cells themselves as well as the costs of the racks, tie-ins, inverters, land improvements, and the like will all go up as fuel costs go up … so it’s gonna be a long, slow chase until solar is profitable.
See my analysis of the true costs of solar, “The Dark Future of Solar Energy” and also here to see why solar is very unlikely to meet anything like your fantastic extrapolations anytime soon.
w.

More Soylent Green!
March 2, 2012 10:57 am

Tim Folkerts says:
March 2, 2012 at 9:17 am
Similarly, there are a few things that are “settled science” in climatology. One idea I would put in that category is:
. Everything else kept constant, a doubling of CO2 from recent levels will result in a radiative forcing of ~ 3.7 W/m^2, which corresponds to ~ 1 C in global temperatures.

Everything else is not kept constant.
For the sake of argument, let’s assume you are correct about the radiative forcing. The earth’s climate is not a test tube or terrarium. The atmosphere is not a closed system and the climate is dynamic. The climate system is inherently stable, and other parts of the system will compensate.

Mydogsgotnonose
March 2, 2012 11:09 am

This 3.7 W/m^2 for a doubling of [CO2] assumes physics which is wrong. Thermalisation is probably indirect at aerosols and GHGs are a heat transfer medium.to and from them and the earth’s surface.
These people failed to take account of the Law of Equipartition of Energy, quantum exclusion and the warning in 1993 by Happer that they were wrong.
The 3-5 times higher than reality predicted warming from the models is then offset by blatantly claiming optical depth of low level clouds is twice reality and that aerosol cooling including slightly positive net AIE is numerically the same as net AGW thus explaining no measured warming.
In the UK we have a phrase to march these cons – ‘Tell it to the marines’.

Editor
March 2, 2012 11:13 am

Tim Folkerts says:
March 2, 2012 at 9:17 am

Similarly, there are a few things that are “settled science” in climatology. One idea I would put in that category is:
. Everything else kept constant, a doubling of CO2 from recent levels will result in a radiative forcing of ~ 3.7 W/m^2, which corresponds to ~ 1 C in global temperatures.

Tim, that is great news, because Steve McIntyre has been asking for years for what he calls an “engineering quality” explanation of where the 3.7W/m2 figure comes from … and now you can tell him.
Ummm … by the way, do you have a citation for just where this figure of 3.7 W/m2 for a doubling of CO2 did come from? I can’t get a number that big out of the MODTRAN calculator …
Also, you seem to think that it is “settled science” that if there is a 3.7 W/m2 increase in TOA radiation, that perforce there will be about a 1°C rise in global surface temperature … perhaps you could show us some evidence for that as well.
Because on my planet, that last claim is not “settled science”. That’s the subject of the whole debate, whether surface temperature slavishly and linearly follows TOA forcing …
Finally, as soon as you say “everything else kept constant”, you are obviously no longer talking about the Earth … so exactly what planet are you discussing above?
w.

Thomas
March 2, 2012 11:18 am

Expanding on the solar costs discussion, I think $1-2 a watt is arguably the point (at current electrical pricing) where it becomes cost effective to use solar *as a consumer* and that further reductions will actually allow it to make financial sense in a 10-year time horizon. That is, $1-2 per watt for the whole system installed and turned on — not just the cost of solar cells.
The problem, of course, is whether solar equipment can actually be manufactured, distributed, installed and maintained for that price. A quick look at the financial well-being of large solar manufacturers would indicate that few could actually survive in a world where a 5Kw system is sold and installed for $2,500.00. (To say nothing about the systemic costs associated with making sure there is enough backup capacity in the grid to handle times when consumption is high and the sun is not shining.)

polski
March 2, 2012 11:36 am

Br. Brown
“In the end, nobody really knows the global average temperature of the Earth’s surface in 2011 within less than around 1K. If anybody claims to, they are full of shit. ”
I had the misfortune of reading this line as I was drinking my coffee! An excellent read filled with facts and enough to make one wonder why it is so difficult for the alarmists to even broach the idea of open debate, unless of course, they know they are pedaling snake oil.

John Gf
March 2, 2012 11:38 am

Thanks for the ammo Dr. Brown, much appreciated common sense.

Wayne2
March 2, 2012 11:39 am

Brown: you really need to mention the apocryphal physics analysis: “First, assume a spherical cow in a vacuum.” In like manner, CAGW takes one small physics fact about CO2 and extrapolates it to the entire globe, coupled with the fervent belief that the world-wide net feedback is positive.

Reed Coray
March 2, 2012 11:53 am

Dr. Brown. The organization most in need of reading your comment is the American Physical Society (APS). In my opinion, the APS has succumbed to the lures of political correctness, money and public adulation. I recommend that you e-mail a copy of your comment to the APS.

March 2, 2012 11:54 am

I have promised not to be a pedant but I want to post this on the office door, and would like the first line (following the quote) of Robert Brown’s smashing exposition of the skeptical position corrected, please:
“That’s a serious problem, actually. Hell, I have an objective scientific bend and I have plenty of trouble with it.”
“bend” should read “bent”.
[Thanks, fixed. -willis]

March 2, 2012 12:01 pm

Well said Zeke though I might word a tad less abruptly.

thelastdemocrat
March 2, 2012 12:11 pm

From memory, Einstein had 3 Nobel prizes, not just 1 for photoelectric effect; I believe the first was for using Brownian motion to calculate molecule sizes. Something like that.

John Meget
March 2, 2012 12:15 pm

The only thing I disagree with in Dr. Brown’s essay comes near the end. I predict we will keep using fossil fuel burning generators. If not, what will take their place?

March 2, 2012 12:27 pm

Zeke said March 2, 2012 at 10:33 am

Perhaps Dr. Brown would like to perform a test to empirically confirm the freedom he believes he has in the classroom to question the scientific paradigms.
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If high redshift quasars are racing away from us in an expanding universe, why do quasars appear in pairs on the axis’ of active galaxies, sometimes even attached to low redshift galaxies by material bridges? (Dr Halton Arp)
Now that would be even more interesting than his claim that he has the lateral movement and intellectual freedom to tell his students not to believe him or to take him with a grain of salt.

Oddly enough, the Git received a Distinction for an essay he wrote in 2006 on anomalies in BBT while at UTas.
Where Dr Brown states:

“When I teach students introductory physics, I tell them up front — “Everything I’m going to teach you over the next two semesters is basically wrong — but it works, and works amazingly well, right up to where it doesn’t work and we have to find a better, broader explanation.” I also tell them not to believe anything I tell them because I’m telling them, and I’m the professor and therefore I know and its up to them to parrot me and believe it or else.”

bears more than a passing similarity to what Dr Andrew Tunks had said in the first lecture on Geology the Git attended the previous year. Tunksy also arranged for a lunchtime extracurricular lecture on Prof Carey’s expanding earth hypothesis. Academic freedom does exist, though almost certainly not everywhere and at all times.

March 2, 2012 12:31 pm

Tim Folkerts says:
March 2, 2012 at 9:17 am
“…We understand the IR properties of CO2. We understand sunlight and earth’s thermal radiation. We understand the laws of thermodynamics.”
Do you include yourself in the royal “We”? If so please write a heat transfer equation showing how CO2 in the atmosphere can radiate down to the earth’s surface and cause it to increase in temperature. Please ensure the emissivity of CO2 at 1 atm and 288 K is included.
Thanks you in advance.

March 2, 2012 12:31 pm

Steve C said March 2, 2012 at 9:26 am

As good the second time around as it was the first.

I thought it even better on second reading 🙂