The USGS Investigates Elk

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

Elk are one of the largest of the “Cervidae”, the deer family, and are one of North America’s largest mammals. Cows weight about 225 kg. (500 pounds) while bulls weigh about 320 kg (700 pounds). They are magnificent animals in the wild, and in addition they have another very important feature. They are … well … umm … no socially acceptable way to say this in a world containing vegevores but to say that elk are delicious, as many wolves or mountain lions can testify. As can I. This has not worked to their historical advantage.

Originally there were elk over much of the US. However, because of the “delicious” factor, many of the species of elk were turned into elkburger by short-sighted humans of the melanin-deficient variety. The situation in the southwestern state of Arizona is fairly typical. There, to use the lovely language of biologists, the local elk species, Merriam’s Elk, was “extirpated” just prior to 1900.

Arizona is usually thought of as a hot desert state. But the northern part of the Arizona is mountainous. I rode a freight train through northern Arizona in winter one time, and I hope to never be that cold again in my life. But the elk didn’t mind the cold, at least until we ate them all.

However, everything is not lost, humans can also repair mistakes or at least ameliorate their effects. Groups of a different species of elk were imported from Yellowstone Park from about 1910 to 1930. At first the herds were small, but nature is nothing if not fecund, and we’ve killed a lot of the elk’s natural predators (bear, wolf, mountain lion), so the main problem now is to keep the herd size down. And it is not an insignificant problem. The size of the elk herds is putting pressure on a variety of resources, both natural and human, all over the state. The Arizona Department of Game and Fish (AZDFG) has an elk management plan that lays out all that it is doing to keep the elk numbers down, and they have a big job on their hands. Their methods include regular hunting seasons; special hunting seasons; hunting seasons designed to drive elk out of a specific area; “antlerless” hunts for female elk; special permits for farmers to shoot elk that are eating their crops; hunts designed to preserve winter forage for the winter, and the like.

This is a recurring problem with large herbivores all over the planet, particularly where we’ve killed the large carnivores. There’s not a lot of food in your average blade of grass. A big animal like an elk has to eat lots and lots of vegetation just to stay alive, and even more to gain weight. And this, of course, means that wherever elk go, they will change the local ecology big-time. A herd of elk is natures mowing machine, only they’ll also mow down small trees.

Why is all of this of interest to climate science?

Figure 1. Snowfall in Flagstaff, Arizona. Pale red squares show the 17-year centered Gaussian average of the data. The airport gets more snow than the town, and as a result I have adjusted the town data so that their averages agree during the period of overlap. As you can see the match is good. The black bar shows the 95%CI for the error of the Gaussian average at the boundary of the dataset. DATA SOURCES: “History of Flagstaff,   Flagstaff Airport  Town Adjusted 

Well, some University of Montana folks, along with the US Geological Survey, have just published a paper called “Climate impacts on bird and plant communities from altered animal–plant interactions”, by Thomas E. Martin and John L. Maron, paywalled of course. (“Impacts2011). The authors make the  claim that human-caused climate change in the form of reduced snowfall around Flagstaff and in other mountain areas of Arizona is allowing the elk population to graze higher in the mountains in winter, and as a result the local ecology is changing.

This, of course, brings up several related questions:

1. Does an elk eat in the woods?

2. Has the snowfall in the Arizona mountains gone down lately?

3. Are there other factors that might push elk up into the mountains?

4. What other parts of Arizona are the elk moving into?

Question 1. Yes, elk eat in the woods, a herd of elk is a tree-trimming and mowing machine par excellence. But as is far too common in these kinds of studies, the authors can’t resist gilding the lily. Here are their photos showing what the elk can do …

Figure 2. ORIGINAL CAPTION e,f, Photos showing the decline in understory plant density in the same area of a study drainage from May 1985 (e) to May 2011 (f).

Now, I’ll buy that elk can do that kind of damage, because elk do eat in the woods, and they eat most everything. But I won’t buy that those photos are taken from the same location. They are careful to say that they are in the “same area”, but they are presented as a “before and after” combination, when they are nothing of the sort. For all I know, photo “f” may have looked like that for the last quarter century. A small point, I know, but that kind of thing rubs me the wrong way.

In any case, it is obvious to anyone who has been around them that elk eat in the woods, that they eat a lot, and that trees and their inhabitants suffer as a result. Bad elk, buncha cervine eco-criminals. Or as the authors say:

We excluded elk from one of two paired snowmelt drainages (10 ha per drainage), and replicated this paired experiment across three distant canyons. Over six years, we reversed multi-decade declines in plant and bird populations by experimentally inhibiting heavy winter herbivory associated with declining snowfall. Moreover, predation rates on songbird nests decreased in exclosures, despite higher abundances of nest predators, demonstrating the over-riding importance of habitat quality to avian recruitment.

So the authors have proven that yes, elk eat in the woods, and yes, they eat trees and understory of all kinds, and yes, when the elk do that, songbirds suffer. I would not have thought that it would take a scientific study to establish that, but I suppose it is good that they did. I would note in passing that one man’s ceiling is another mans floor, and if songbirds suffer, surely some other creature gains from having cleared out understory, and that includes fire protection for all the forest animals … but I digress. According to AGw supporters, climate change can only bring negative outcomes and no benefits, it is well known.

Regarding the second question, I see no evidence of any unusual decrease in snowfall. They do a typical AGW thing in Impacts2011, in their Figure (1a, not shown) they show only the snowfall from 1985 onwards. As you can see in Figure 1, 1985 was somewhere near the peak of the recorded historical swings. Overall, there is no such sign of decline in snowfall. There is a slight upward trend in the Flagstaff snowfall since 1948, but the trend is not statistically significant, nor is the level of modern snowfall historically unusual.

In addition, they provide absolutely no citation for their snowfall numbers. The closest that they come is when they say:

Snowfall at our study area has declined over the past 25 years (Fig. 1a), typical of what has occurred across western North America and other mountain regions of the world 1,7,8.

Reference 1 is the IPCC Bible, except of course they have neglected to give us the chapter and verse of the sermon. Heck, they don’t even say which volume contains the information, whether it is Working Group I, II, or III.

They are saying that supporting evidence for their claim is somewhere in the thousands and thousand of pages of the AR4 report somewhere, and by gosh, it is the reader’s responsibility to ferret it out. I despise this type of citation, and it is all too common in climate science. If I had tried citing a thousand page document with no page numbers in high school, much less college, my teachers would have had me for breakfast. Yet the authors are college professors, and the reviewers stay schtumm and don’t inquire too closely into the antecedents of the “facts” inhabiting the report.

The only good news? If someone does that, if someone puts the entire IPCC report as the very first citation for their paper without a page citation, you can rest assured that they are activists, not scientists.

Reference 7 for declining snowfall is “Effects of temperature and precipitation variability on snowpack trends in the western United States“.  You’d think with a title like that they might actually look at the snowpack trends. Instead, as the Abstract to that paper says:

In this study, the linear trends in 1 April SWE [snow water equivalent -w.] over the western United States are examined, as simulated by the Variable Infiltration Capacity hydrologic model implemented at 1/8° latitude–longitude spatial resolution, and driven by a carefully quality controlled gridded daily precipitation and temperature dataset for the period 1915–2003.

Here’s what they did. They took some real snowfall and temperature data. Then they “gridded” it, that is to say averaged it by gridcells on the map. Then they adjusted the temperatures for altitude using the moist adiabatic lapse rate. Oh, they also adjusted the precipitation based on the topography. They do not say whether they have infilled cells which contain no data or how they handle missing data

Then they’ve used that averaged, adiabatically compensated, gridded, topographically adjusted, and perhaps infilled dataset to drive a model, a model which outputs using a much smaller grid than the input data, a grid of about ten miles on a side. The paper is about the results of that model.

Sorry, not impressed. I’ve written too many computer programs, I have a good idea of the errors inherent in that process.

Reference 8 for decreasing snowpacks is Attribution of Declining Western U.S. Snowpack to Human Effects It was written in 2008, yet it only uses data up to 1999. This is a huge red flag for me. The reason, in this case, is that it is the usual attempt to have climate models place the blame on humans, and the model runs end in 1999. That’s convenient for alarmism, it turns out, since snowfalls have increased in the last decade. My favorite line from that one is from the abstract, viz:

Estimates of natural internal climate variability are obtained from 1600 years of two control simulations performed with fully coupled ocean–atmosphere climate models.

I had to rub my eyes at that one, natural variability obtained from models?? I looked further, to find that’s what they mean:

… Only if changes are both outside the likely range expected due to natural climate variability and consistent with the changes ex- pected due to anthropogenic forcing can it be concluded that human activity has a role in reducing winter snowpack.

We use 1600 years of control run data from fully coupled global general circulation climate models (GCMs) to provide estimates of natural internal variability

And how do they determine the “human fingerprint”? More computer runs, this time with GHGs and aerosol and the whole Cirque Du Soleil. They go on to explain that step.

Multiple ensemble members of two GCMs run with estimated historical changes in well-mixed GHGs, aerosols, and ozone supply the expected response of snowpack to these anthropogenic forcings. We statistically downscale the GCM results to 1⁄8° resolution then use the downscaled fields as input to a fine-resolution hydrological model. The hydrological model calculates the SWE values as well as soil moisture, runoff, and other variables in the hydrologic water balance used in companion work

So first they are using climate model control simulation runs to give an estimate of “natural” internal climate variability, so they can rule out natural fluctuations as a cause of the change in snowfall … these guys would be hilarious if it didn’t cost us so much time and money to fight this nonsense.

Then they compare that “natural variability” to “anthropogenic” climate model runs with greenhouse gases and aerosols and the lot. To do that, they “downsize” the results of the climate models. These are typically on 5° grids or so, pretty large. They divide each gridcell into no less than a hundred little “mini-gridcells”, and “constrain” the numbers in the downsizing process by comparing them to local observational data. (As far as I know, there is no evidence that this process does better than chance regarding preciptation … but I suppose that doesn’t matter in any case, because in any case the GCMs being downsized are known to do no better than chance on precipitation.

Those thousands of mini-gridcells are then used as input to yet another model. This final model calculates the snowfall that allegedly results from the human influence … anyone care to give me some serious error estimates for that process?

Again, not impressed by the putative fingerprints. It’s models all the way down. Reference 8 is a joke, a downsizing of models known not to work for precipitation.

So their evidence of declining snowfall is both weak and out of date, as snowfalls have generally increased in the western US in the last decade. In the Flagstaff record there is nothing to suggest a human influence on the snowfall. And more to the point, current Flagstaff snowfalls are well within historical norms. During the twenty year period between the world wars, the snowfall was quite low compared to the period they studied. Makes one wonder what the elk were up to then …

Regarding the third question, of what else might push elk up into the mountains … well, duh, population pressure. This pressure comes from two sources—the elk population numbers, and the human population numbers, particularly the number of hunters. There are some issues of interest there. One is that this is not the historical elk population, which had its winter and summer ranges figured out for thousands of years. These are modern transplants whose numbers are increasing, figuring out how to survive in a plotted, parceled, complex ecoscape of natural and human forces. Are we surprised that some group of them might take to eating places they haven’t eaten before?

A second issue is that we have replaced their historical predators with human predators. One of the largest differences between the types of predation is that natural predators preferentially take the aged, the young, and the weak. Human predation preferentially takes adult males. This changes the social structure of the animals. Another difference in predation is where we hunt. Wolves hunt where they live. Humans hunt where we can get to easily, because packing out a big elk, that’s a quarter ton of meat to shlep out of the forest. So we drive the elk into and out of different areas than did the other predators. Again, should we be surprised that they are pushing up into the area of the study?

Finally, question 4. What other areas are they going into? Here, it gets interesting. The AZDFG document cited earlier says:

History and Background:

Elk did not historically occur in southeastern Arizona and are an unplanned addition to the native wildlife found there. Early elk sources such as Murie’s 1951 “Elk of North America” correctly noted that elk were not native to southeastern Arizona. However, later sources (Bryant and Maser 1982 – Elk of North America) erroneously extended the historic range of elk far in to Mexico based on unsubstantiated rumors, a report of a pictograph, and a report by Edgar Mearns’ camp cook of 2 “large deer” crossing the border into Mexico. Archaeological evidence fails to provide any evidence elk were ever in Region 5 in historic times. No evidence exists of elk remains in the fauna lists at Native American sites in southeastern Arizona.

Another large herbivore grazing on the region’s arid and fragile desert ecosystems would probably come to the detriment of other native wildlife. Elk currently occur in Units 28, 31, and 32 and can live quite well among mesquite and prickly pear. There is no doubt they would become established in many areas of southeastern Arizona and have the potential to greatly impact other native wildlife such as desert mule deer, pronghorn, and many grassland and riparian obligate species.

So in addition to elk moving up into the mountains, they are also pushing out into the desert areas.

I can hardly wait for the next study by the USGS and the University of Montana, the new study that conclusively proves that elk are moving into the desert as a result of climate change …

My best to everyone,

w.

[PS—dang science takes a while, as I was researching and writing this Anthony posted about the study here … curse you, masked man!]

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Nik
January 13, 2012 3:32 am

There is a study by the RSPB in Britain which showed that the increase in red deer, about the same size as elk, has a detrimental effect on bird life. Browsing and undergrowth grazing reduces nesting cover and food sources for birds. Same happens due to rat presence. And all that with no reference to global warming.
Global warming seems to have had a dumbing down effect on scientific thinking. It has become a “blame-all” insert everywhere tool.
Nik

JamesD
January 13, 2012 3:37 am

“They are … well … umm … no socially acceptable way to say this in a world containing vegevores but to say that elk are delicious,” In order to take this country back, normal men have to quit talking like that. Where I am from it is perfectly “socially acceptable” to talk about killing and eating deer (we don’t have any elk). Do you really care if some vegen has a hissy fit about you hunting? Seriously? Then don’t pretend that you do. I have no problem if someone wants to eat only vegetables. It is none of my business. And it is none of their business if I eat smoke deer links with a little heat to them. /rant
Anyhow, typical report from modelers. They put the cart before the horse, due to natural human laziness. A good modeler starts out with years of field experience. Then uses the model to interpret ACTUAL field observations. Here you have a bunch of office dudes playing with their model and reporting crap that doesn’t match the field. Typical in many industries.

January 13, 2012 3:38 am

A good read. I don’t need to tell you this translates to all ‘observations’ where animal or plant behaviour has shifted in so called response to temperature. The disappearance of song birds, the over wintering of migratory animals, the shifting of plant growth boudaries etc are all as a consequence or some other large change that is not temperature related, but as you’ve shown here, is by: the removal of predators; the addition of predators; removal or change of a particular environment including access routes, and with the case of over-wintering, this is because we have provided food and shelter. In the case of this particular petri dish it is covered in big finger prints.

Dr. John M. Ware
January 13, 2012 3:57 am

My favorite Julius Caesar quote, slightly amended: “Veni, vidi, [BOOM!] venison!” In many places there are scheduled hunts to thin the deer population, and the meat is used to feed the poor. Where elk are too numerous, similar hunts could be held.
Those of us who grow daylilies (and, I’m sure, other herbaceous perennials) always dread seeing deer in the area. Yes, fences work–at least 10′ in height, 12′-14′ being better, and if in double layers and with barbed-wire tops, better still. How high do elk jump?

January 13, 2012 4:13 am

I couldn’t read about elk without recalling the Flanders & Swann song in which the beast in the title insists “I hain’t a helk, I’m a g-nu.”.

As to the study, isn’t this what post-modern science has become? Compare some model runs with runs of other models to explain incorrectly what was already quite well understood?.

John Silver
January 13, 2012 4:31 am

Just to unconfuse the foreigners:
“The animal bearing the scientific name Alces alces is known in Britain as the elk,[2] and in North America as the moose.
The British English word elk has cognates in other Indo-European languages, for example elg in Norwegian, älg in Swedish, Elch in German and łoś in Polish. Confusingly, the word elk is used in North America to refer to a different animal, Cervus canadensis, also known as the wapiti which is similar though slightly smaller (the wapiti is the second largest deer species), and behaviorally divergent from the smaller red deer of central and western Europe. Presumably early European explorers in North America called it elk because of its size and presumably because, as men coming from the British Isles they would have had no opportunity to see the difference between a member of the genus Cervus and an animal fitting the description of Alces at home, where the latter was nowhere present in the 17th and 18th century.”

Mike Ozanne
January 13, 2012 5:14 am

“Just to unconfuse the foreigners:
“The animal bearing the scientific name Alces alces is known in Britain as the elk,[2] and in North America as the moose.”
Wiki has it wrong here, due to US infiltration of culture and language, in Britain this animal would more commonly be described as a Moose than an Elk, It’s also entered the vernacular as an adjective for someone too ugly to attract a sexual partner (applies to both genders)

Viv Evans
January 13, 2012 5:15 am

John Silver, January 13, 2012 at 4:31 am:
Thanks for the un-confusion. The British early settlers most certainly wouldn’t have come across Alces at home, but they should’ve known some Cervids, seeing that they still roam certain areas in the UK today.
In fact, they are not difficult to separate visually. Look at this beastie:
http://www.biolib.cz/en/taxonimage/id20960/
and look at this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk
Not hard to see the difference, is it.
Oh – here’s the ‘King of Exmoor’, our British ‘elk’:
http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/17-pointer-Monarch-new-King-Exmoor/story-14114930-detail/story.html
.. and then there was the Irish Elk … not an elk, nor a deer, nor strictly Irish, but definitely gigantic and sadly extinct:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Elk
Camping wild in Roscommon, Ireland, at one of the numerous little lakes, one could well imagine this animal appearing through the evening mist, stepping out of a small stand of trees towards the reeds on the lake edge opposite one’s camp site …

January 13, 2012 5:21 am

I’m surprised they had to fence off areas of woodland for 6 years to obtain these startling results. Surely they could have modelled the outcome 🙂

January 13, 2012 5:23 am

Moffitt:
“Only 2 plants are 100% safe– daffodils…”
Are you sure about that? Whilst most of the toxin in daffodils is in the bulbs I believe there is also some in the leaves and stems. Basically in my opinion all parts of the daffodil should be avoided as a food item.
Be very cautious about stating what is and is not safe to eat.

Speed
January 13, 2012 5:51 am

Today’s (January 13, 2012) Frazz discusses the origin of the name Wapiti.
http://www.gocomics.com/frazz/?ref=comics

Coach Springer
January 13, 2012 6:16 am

A new theory of Anne Elk:

bacullen
January 13, 2012 6:17 am

What kind of airships were being ported in Flagstaff before 1903???

John Silver
January 13, 2012 6:32 am

More confusion:
The Eastern Moose, Alces alces americanus, aka the Western Moose:
http://www.biolib.cz/en/taxon/id133528/
Actually,
European Elk: Alces alces alces
American Moose: Alces alces americanus
If you look closely you can find differences in appearances, like in the horns and beards.

Pat Moffitt
January 13, 2012 6:49 am

David L says:
“Be very cautious about stating what is and is not safe to eat.”
I was talking about plants resistant to deer browsing from the standpoint of home landscaping. Boxwoods and daffodils are two plants “safe” to plant and not be eaten by the whitetails.

January 13, 2012 6:51 am

But your analysis is much more in depth Willis! Well done.

January 13, 2012 8:03 am

In spite of wikirubbish…
I am always curious why words are assumed to be “English” in origin. Consider that the territory most populated by elk and moose were first explored by the French (following of course the native peoples).
From: http://www.etymonline.com

elk late O.E., from O.N. elgr or from an alteration of O.E. elh, eolh (perhaps via French scribes), or possibly from M.H.G. elch (OED’s suggestion), all from P.Gmc. *elkh- (cf. O.H.G. elaho), related to the general word for “deer” in Balto-Slavic (cf. Rus. losu, Czech los; also cf. eland), from PIE *olki-, perhaps with reference to the reddish color from base *el- “red, brown” (in animal and tree names) (cf. Skt. harina- “deer,” from hari- “reddish-brown”). Greek alke and L. alces probably are Germanic loan-words. Benevolent and Protective Order of Elks founded N.Y.C. 1868, originally a society of actors and writers.

Which, to me, reads as derived from the old English (Norse influence) but as used by the French (scribes)? I put scribes in parenthesis as in pre-colonial days that often meant priests or perhaps the trading post managers (often owned/run by the Scots/English but utilizing French trappers). That makes the American usage of elk derived from the old English but as verbalized by the French.

moose 1610s, from an Algonquian language, probably Narragansett moos (cf. Abenaki mus, Penobscot muns), said by early sources to be from moosu “he strips off,” in reference to the animals’ stripping bark for food.

“he strips off” may just add additional humor to those so inclined in Sweden…
In America, the moose doesn’t browse as the deer and elk do. (Personally, I think that moose decides what’s good to eat based on if it is green or brown and wet, it’s good to eat). Deer and elk browse, not graze; that is, they take and bite, raise their head and chew while they scan/listen for predators and other scary things. Then the deer takes a step before taking another bite. Rarely do they stand in one place and chow down, though you will see a fawn eating something choice while the mother stands watch.
The bovines, sheep and goats graze; that is, they eat everything within reach and then take a step. All of them are known to eat green things to the dirt surface. In America, deer and their relatives (except moose) rarely eat anything close to the ground. Even choice greens (like my garden) are only cropped to 20-40cm high. They will pick up really choice tidbits from the ground (like my peaches, apples, persimmons and occasionally white oak acorns), but generically they don’t like to crop so close to the ground as it lowers their scan apparatus too far below safe scan level.

Arizona CJ says:
January 12, 2012 at 10:18 pm
I live in Northern Arizona, and while I think Willis’s article is excellent, I’d like to add a few observations:
#1, Fire. We have had massive fires in recent years (largely a result of diminished logging and successful fire fighting, resulting in fuel buildup). To me, that “before and after” pic looks as if the after one was taken after a ground fire.

1. Arizona CJ, you may have it right. I was looking at that sprouting green ground cover and was wondering just what ate everything to the dirt. I know goats will and that while cows don’t they do trample everything they didn’t scarf (you’re right also Eunice Farmilant, I’ve also stepped carefully through an area trampled/dimpled/fertilized heavily by the bovines), (I don’t have any experience with sheep so I can’t include them, but they’re suspect). A fast moving ground fire will clean the ground; wilt (kill) the lower leaves/branches and race on. Yes there will be charcoal where larger wood smoldered, but much of the smaller stuff burns to ash. One would have to get a close look at those tree bases to check the fire possibility. One thing though, in the American West, much of the greenery is very flammable even when green. Perhaps very isn’t the right word, explosively flammable is perhaps a better description. In the east a fire may climb a pine tree, the sparks plus heat will ignite the next and so on; in the west, that sagebrush, junipers and other understory literally seem to explode into flames which trigger the next and so-on. I believe that in the east, fires can travel faster than a man can run; in the west and Midwest however, they can travel faster than a horse can run (and can give a driver a good scare too, personal experience near the border of Oregon & Nevada)
Native Americans practiced fire control in that they set burns frequently, for many reasons, usually food related. In the forests, burns controlled the understory; in the plains, the burns kept the grasslands from becoming tangled forests and allowed the Indians to “harvest” large quantities of quail, prairie chickens (grouse), rabbits and other little scurrying critters. The whole “set no fires” actions are a 20th century enviro-reaction and recently modern Americans are now just beginning to realize the benefits of controlled fires; even if we rarely have the stomach to perform the burns.
Colonial America (Eastern North America) was a “virgin” forest landscape spotted by meadows. Indians burned the understory to ensure unhindered access through the forests which as a byproduct allowed trees to reach massive girth and height. Deer were NOT abundant, nor elk, or even the eastern bison. Turkey and squirrels were the chief meat sources. Grouse preferred upland meadows while quail preferred lowland meadows; deer and elk inhabited both along with the swamps and river bottoms. In the west, modern man has realized that preventing regular burning was also preventing sequoia trees (among others) from spreading seed. Sequoias require the heat of a fire to open their seed cones and allow their seed to spread. The recent ash from a fire provides a spike of fertilizer that helps jumpstart the seedling, even in a barren area. No fires means no new sequoia trees.
My apologies for a lot of drivel, but there are obviously a lot of overlooked details in the study Willis reviewed (choked on).

January 13, 2012 8:16 am

I forgot to add (as I reread after the post). Deer and elk as part of the art of browsing will eat the buds and if starved, the bark of trees. That is they’ll eat the bark long after they’ve eaten every bud they can reach. Deer and elk never eat branches, they just don’t eat woody material. What is missing from that over grazed picture is everything but a mainstem below a fairly low height. That is not deer nor elk damage, they’ll leave all of the branches. Again, we’re back to goats or fire.

January 13, 2012 9:25 am

Al Gored: Just recently got them and I am totally impressed.
So you’re the one who bought them!
TedK: in the late 1700s, the Cree name for moose was “moosewah”, the woodland caribou “marthe moosewah” (ugly moose), barrenground caribou “Marthe tik” (ugly moose and wanderer)

Jim G
January 13, 2012 9:27 am

Pat Moffitt says:
January 12, 2012 at 8:58 pm
“So do the song birds have an environmental justice suit against the elk?
If elk are in any way like whitetail then their browsing habits (what they eat) can change over time. Whitetails in my area 20 years ago NEVER ate holly -now its like candy to them. Same for daylillies. (Only 2 plants are 100% safe– daffodils and boxwoods) Adding more complexity to ascribing climate for browsing patterns.”
Elk graze more and browse less than white tail deer. They are regularly seen feeding, and are hunted, in open meadows (called parks)in the mountains for this reason. Elk do quite well in the Powder River Valley of WY where there are virtually no trees other than Juniper bushes which are not high on their cullenary list. They do browse on grease wood and other bushes here as do the cattle. They, like deer, seem very adaptable and will eat ornamentals in people’s yards and crops. Just ask the folks in CO. They were, in fact, introduced or reintroduced?, to the valley several decades ago and have adapted well to the desert environment here to the extent that they are now hunted due to their population growth. The Montana study is pure nonsense. Retreating snow would open up more grassland (parks) as well as wooded areas and the elk would likely prefer the grass to the trees. This and the multitude of other factors noted in various posts here point out the unmitigated stupidity of the study in question.

Pamela Gray
January 13, 2012 9:37 am

Elk population and grazing patterns correlate with oceanic/atmospheric teleconnected oscillations. Dramatically. Given that well-known pattern, it behooves hunting regulators to tie seasonal permit numbers to what the ocean is doing in the Northern Pacific regions. They can safely ignore AGW. Its effect is too tiny to show up in the natural swings. This is also applicable to seasonal game fishing permits. Salmon and steelhead also follow these oscillations. Over hunting and over fishing can harm populations during the natural “down” phase of these decadel swings.
That said, I have a solution to over-populated elk herds. They can come to Oregon, round up our also non-native wolves and ship them to Arizona to eat the non-native elk population there. Problem solved.

jgo
January 13, 2012 10:23 am

Elk carry brucellosis, a big problem in the several states around Yellowstone National Park (there’s been quite a bit of coverage in the Billings MT Gazette). It affects humans, dogs, wolves, bison and cattle, causing miscarriages. There are vaccines, but the vaccines for bison don’t work well and only a small fraction of them have been vaccinated. They’re more effective in cattle, but, again, only a fraction have been vaccinated. The elk vaccine seems to work, but only a negligible fraction have been vaccinated and it has proven impossible to contain the elk; they go where they want to go regardless of human efforts to the contrary.
“David Bruce (b: 1865 d: 1931) was an Australian of Scottish descent who discovered the cause of sleeping sickness and Malta fever. When he isolated the bacteria of Malta fever it was renamed brucellosis after him, and the genus of bacteria causing it, Brucella.” — Duncan Bruce 1996, 1998 _The Mark of the Scots_ pg221

Philip Peake
January 13, 2012 10:31 am

So how did they design this enclosure such that it excluded only Elk, but still allowed all the other herbivores of the forest to graze?
They didn’t?!?!????
So how do they know it was only Elk causing the problem?

Jim G
January 13, 2012 10:39 am

Pamela Gray says:
January 13, 2012 at 9:37 am
“Elk population and grazing patterns correlate with oceanic/atmospheric teleconnected oscillations. Dramatically. Given that well-known pattern, it behooves hunting regulators to tie seasonal permit numbers to what the ocean is doing in the Northern Pacific regions. They can safely ignore AGW. Its effect is too tiny to show up in the natural swings. This is also applicable to seasonal game fishing permits. Salmon and steelhead also follow these oscillations. Over hunting and over fishing can harm populations during the natural “down” phase of these decadel swings.
That said, I have a solution to over-populated elk herds. They can come to Oregon, round up our also non-native wolves and ship them to Arizona to eat the non-native elk population there. Problem solved.”
Game management by state authorities unfortunately looks much more closely at the $500 to $1000 per out of state license fee than they do at oceanic/atmospheric occilations. Teleconnected? Is that like teleported? I do believe that coyotes can teleport when they are out of sight as I have experienced them dissappearing as soon as they are beyond human observation.

FerdinandAkin
January 13, 2012 10:56 am

Gee Mr. Eschenbach
I do not mean to nit pick, but your lead graphic, Figure 1. Snowfall in Flagstaff, Arizona, has a blue ball labeled “Flagstaff Airport” that appears before 1900