This is almost as clueless as the raid on Tallbloke by the police looking for scraps. But it does underscore one thing – investigators are clueless and so is the major press.
For the record, I don’t know who “FOIA” is either and given the stunning lack of success (and poor judgement demonstrated recently) in investigation two years on, I doubt they’ll ever discover who it was. – Anthony
Guest post by Jeff Id
Their Side – Bloggers “knew” FOIA emails were coming
I just had a phone conversation with Leslie Kaufman of the NYT on the ‘hacker’. She was careful to call the FOIA people by that PC name. Rule 1 – Don’t offend the witness unless you want them upset. I didn’t really want to do the interview because these things don’t usually go well for me and it took me several days to make time. Unfortunately my Achilles heel is that I tend to say what I think. — I know you are all surprised.
She asked several questions about the hacker and said that her job was to investigate that aspect and not the climategate emails – which she believed had been covered. Of course I took a little time to explain the science of the issue and even brought up the conversations between the Dept of Energy and Phil Jones. In general, she seemed to repeat the opinions of the climategate committees despite the blindingly obvious problems in meshing any of their conclusions with reality. She said it was well covered that the researchers hadn’t been ‘open enough’. If that is the limit of the curiosity of your audience, it didn’t seem worth getting into.
One thing I did make clear and have made clear before, I don’t want to know who the FOIA gourp/person is because I’m not going to be willing (or technically able) to protect them – so if FOIA.org reads this, don’t tell me. My life is fine the way it is and the last thing I need is a leftist Justice department with an overstock of rubber gloves visiting my home. Leslie was very interested in whether I knew who the ‘hacker’ is. I had to tell her several ways and times that I really don’t know. I even told her that I used to think it was a student, to which she later questioned why I don’t think it is a student any longer. (Implying that I knew something). Hopefully, you can understand the direction of the interview from this. She said it was her mandate to follow this portion of the story.
For the readers here, it isn’t that I don’t believe it was a student, it is that I don’t know either way. Some friends with more knowledge than I on computers have pointed out some fairly technically sophisticated behavior in the releases which make me reconsider. I brought up the RC hack to Leslie, pointing out that no adult with sensitive information would release it that way. It’s a prank-like behavior. Of course, there is a certain narcissism which comes with a hacker mentality that sometimes delays the adult thought process. When I was in college, a stunt like that would sound like fun. Now — NO effing way.
I once met a 25 year old guy who had been caught hacking, and later hired by a security company. Despite having been “caught”, he was so cock-sure that he was flat nauseating. Either too dumb to know he wasn’t as smart as he thought or too young to have the social skill to refrain from flaunting his smarts. It is a culture of some computer programmers (sorry guys), which the ‘adult’ of my story believed he had risen to the top of. — Look what I can do! I often wonder if the hacker culture recognizes the vastly superior work built into the technology of the things which they program on.
This is not to say that FOIA.org released the emails out of narcissism or proof of superiority. Readers here understand that. Instead, it was done of understanding with a slight hint of that hacker mentality. They/he/she hold a recognition that the math and science are being perverted, data was absolutely covered up where necessary and the known results were without a doubt exaggerated to promote the cause. In my conversation with Leslie, I took the time to explain that I was not a denier and that any scientifically minded person knows full well that the basic effect of CO2 warming is incontrovertibly true. She suggested to describe me as a Lukewarmer, to which my reply was that I don’t even like that name because I don’t know how much warming there will be but due to current political mechanisms, there is a systematic exaggeration of the science.
Anyway, the most interesting point of the conversation came out when she said in very rough paraphrase ‘Their side is that the email releases were known to you ahead of time.’
The ‘their side’ was fairly interesting as we know the “Climate Scientists™” are in good contact with the NYT as are the government agencies. It could have been nothing but often when you hear inflection of how something is said, you can get the meaning. I took it as though she had been talked too by someone of the opinion that the three blogs mentioned in the DOJ letter were intimately involved.
The fact that I have done nothing wrong does not relieve me one tiny bit regarding the police. This is especially true when a billion dollar industry is involved. Those who haven’t dealt with law won’t get that. What gives me comfort is that this blog and its global friends have a wide readership means that ANY direct police action will have a wide public audience – not that it will stop the crazy stuff anyway. That is the limit of my protection.
As I have written before, I think Leslie has it right. Some powerful idiot(perhaps a congressman), who doesn’t understand blogs, internets (love the plural) or techie things in general with more than one button, thinks that the bloggers were in direct communication with FOIA. This is the single reason that I can make sense of for the confiscation of Tallbloke’s computers. Any other potential communications can be taken in pristine form right from the blog logs at WordPress.
Anyway, the conversation came across as some verification of my theory on why Tallboke had his computers confiscated. As always, I reserve the right to revise and extend my remarks.
UPDATE: Hilary Ostrov has an interesting piece on Climategate events in timeline format. She muses that a story in the Guardian may have had something to do with all this. – Anthony
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Well, then the “other side” is truly paranoid. But that comes with true belief, right? If you are a true believer you cannot believe that one of your “fellows” does not share the full list and total passion of your beliefs. When one of your “fellows” shows signs of straying from the true path, you feel totally justified in whacking him up side the head until he is on the straight and narrow. Do we know anyone who fits that description?
I disagree…investigators and journalists are worse than clueless…they have been getting hints by “they”, the conspiracy theorists.
I hadn’t prepared any popcorn but now that Inspector Clouseau and some powerful idiot are involved, things are getting interesting.
I don’t understand why they keep insisting this was a “hacker”. In my work with computers and enterprise IT, most cases of unauthorized access are from people within the organization and not people who gain access from outside across the Internet.
You should have told her you think the Pentagon’s behind the whole thing.
Jeff – it’s always a good idea during a media interview to record it yourself – audio if it’s over the phone, video if it’s for TV. You can then post either the transcript or the actual recording on the web. This will either keep them honest or expose their ignorance and mendacity if they’re not.
Are you aware of how gobsmackingly stupid you make Leslie Kaufman of the NYT sound?
“Hello, I am Leslie Kaufman of the New York Times. I am a journalist that works for a highly respected newspaper. I would like to ask you a few questions about how often you beat your wife… What? Your wife was attacked by a team of people determined to extort billions from innocent bystanders including myself? And you have proof? I’m sorry, I am here to investigate your crimes and report them to our interested readers, now, back to the subject at had, tell us, what was your first indication that you would grow up to commit such horrible acts?”
“I brought up the RC hack to Leslie, pointing out that no adult with sensitive information would release it that way.”
If login details for the RC wordpress website were available in the emails it wouldn’t exactly need whizz-kid skills to dump it there. 5 minutes with google would do it for most people and there’d be no better advertisement to the brainwashed nor proof of authenticity.
Anywho: Nothing you do on the internet is anonymous or untraceable.
All of your internet activity is being recorded for perpetuity. Finding you from that information is not always easy but it’s the profession of many. Using proxy systems such as TOR (designed by US Naval intelligence) certainly will not help you.
Happy Christmas FOIA – considering the shackles that were to be placed on so many people by the CAGW scam you are the greatest hero in history by far.
Judging by the very poor data security displayed by “The Team”, and AW’s recent expose of open links, it would be not surprising if the ClimateGate files were sitting out in the open on a public volume begging for a passer-by to pick them up. What a package to pick up!
I would guess his computers were seized as his IP address showed up in the WordPress logs as having accessed the site during the time in question. The investigation wouldn’t be thorough if his machines weren’t checked. That is all.
So. The bloggers–skeptics all–were prescient enough to “know” that the emails were coming yet they–the bloggers–do not know diddly-squat about AGW. Riiiight!
In clarification: the police investigator would want to address the possibility that Tallbloke accessed a proxy service and posted the message as FOIA, hiding behind the proxy’s IP. Certainly FOIA was smart enough to use a proxy.
O M G roflmao.
How is anyone supposed to take a journalist like that seriously when they can lend such “Tin Foil Hat” behaviour credence lol.
Who are these “Nut jobs” on ” Their Side” lol.
Talk about a Christmas Comedy Special 🙂
Sorry cant type anymore laughing too much!
Isn’t this just how the Spanish Inquisition went about its work? If anyone would point crookedly at the Inquisitor, that person would end up on the rack or on the fire, labeled a sorcerer or witch. There is nothing new under the solar panel sun.
Well, if any of us “knew” that there might be more emails coming, had Kaufman had done any research before contacting you, she would know that over a year ago, Nature‘s Andrew Adam, reported that:
crosspatch says:
December 22, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Of course it was an “inside” job. Why insist it was a “hacker?” Because they can’t believe it was one of their own who did the deed. Can you imagine what it would do to their belief system if they discover that one of their own spilled the beans?
The wife dies under suspicious circumstances. Who’s the prime “person of interest?” The husband, of course.
The kids are missing … kidnapped?? Who’re the prime “persons of interest?” The parents, of course.
So, just who is FOIA? A student, perhaps. Even better, a trusted colleague who feels he has been slighted in some way. He may be thinking that there are more serious concerns that need addressing than how many tenths of a degree the climate has warmed. Or perhaps some IT person who’s had his fill of working with the pompous scientists.
Meanwhile, UEA’s got investigators looking like Keystone Kops.
I thought the lead into CG2 self identified the person/people involved as being part of the blessed “they” but just not totally enamored with “the cause” and wanting to protect the little people in the world or something like that.
2x what Navy Bob says. I have seen first hand how the media contorts interviews.
Sorry, Anthony/mods … let me try that again (hopefully without messing up the blockquotes this time)
Well, if any of us “knew” that there might be more emails coming, had Kaufman had done any research before contacting you, she would know that over a year ago, Nature‘s Andrew Adam, reported that:
Maybe she should be talking to Andrew Adam, because surely he would not have made such a claim without verfying that it had some basis, would he?! Ooops, I almost forgot … in that same article, Adam also claimed:
Even Andy Revkin didn’t buy that one, so perhaps Adam is not such a reliable source, after all!
Then again, since they don’t seem to be making “investigative reporters” like they used to, perhaps Kaufman simply got the wrong end of the stick and is talking about the potential for a third release – should The Saint decide to change her/his plan not to release the passphrase!
What’s sad is that the authorities care more that the information got out, and not the crimes that the information exposes… typical bureaucratic tyranny, thinking classifications exist to hide embarassments, not secure vital information.
Ahead of time could be several hours. That would give plenty of time to discuss the emails “prior to release”. Perhaps somebody needs to inform Les Clouseaux that the Earth is round and has time zones.
I take her comment to mean simply that she spoke to ‘the other side’ before she spoke to you. They primed the pump. It makes me wonder whether this reporter is a ‘general assignment’ with scant knowledge/expertise of the the entire issue, catching an education with each progressing phone call. If she had asked me that question, I would have in turn asked her who she’d been speaking to previously. Then, you’d at least have a name or names for who or whom would be sharing quotes with you in the article.
Stage 3 has definitely started:
First they ignore you,
then they laugh at you,
then they fight you,
then you win.
The fight will be long, hard and dirty, but they will be defeated unequivocally 🙂
It was done by the Chinese,
in a government sponsored lab,
with a keyboard.
The link to Hilary Ostrov’s interesting piece doesn’t seem to work.
Happy Christmas to one and all, Dave.