And to think I almost wasted my time going to visit Dr. Trenberth at NCAR this fall. This is mind blowing intolerance in professional discourse. Here’s the email, bold mine.
email 3946
date: Thu Dec 9 08:28:11 2004
from: Phil Jones <REDACTED>
subject: Re: Correspondence with Chris Landsea
to: REDACTED
Kevin,
So you’ve heard. The other email may explain more and/or give details.
We will have to do without him. We still need to get a diagram, but we should
probably let this die down now.
Susan and Martin (and you can see the others) got the earlier email (which
you now have – if you’ve not got it from elsewhere). Keep me infomed.
By the way, still nothing from the Japanese contact, despite 2 reminders at
least. I’ll send an email to the first Japanese I contacted.
Cheers
Phil
At 02:24 09/12/2004, you wrote:
Martin
I have not seen any of this. I just heard today at the NCAR Xmas party from
Tim Killeen that this existed. So I feel blindsided. I understand he has
resigned from CA of our chapter.
I responded to his earlier message in a fairly low key fashion. I think he
has behaved irresponsibly and ought to be fired by NOAA for not have an open enough mind to even consider that climate change might be affecting
hurricanes. I am quickly becoming outraged by this and I hope it backfires on
him!!!!
Kevin
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, Martin Manning wrote:
> Dear Phil and Kevin
>
> Today Susan received a copy of some correspondence between Chris Landsea and Dr Pachauri regarding coverage of hurricanes and global warming by the IPCC. Although we were aware that Dr Landsea was raising the issue
> generally, we were not aware of the approach to Dr Pachauri and it is
> perhaps unfortunate that this was not referred to Susan.
>
> However, Susan would now like to consider a further appropriate response to
> Dr Landsea and she has asked me to ask you to wait for that before you
> consider any possible response of your own (assuming that you have seen the
> correspondence anyway?).
>
> Thanks
> Martin
>
> —
> Dr Martin R Manning
> *** NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: REDACTED
> Director, IPCC WG I Support UnitREDACTEDPhone:REDACTED
> NOAA Aeronomy LaboratoryREDACTED Fax:REDACTED/ 5628
> 325 Broadway, DSRC R/AL8
> Boulder, CO 80305, USA
REDACTED—
Kevin E. TrenberthREDACTED e-mail: REDACTED
Climate Analysis Section, NCARREDACTED[1]www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/
P. O. Box 3000,REDACTEDREDACTED(303) 497 1318
Boulder, COREDACTEDREDACTED(303)REDACTED(fax)
Street address: 1850 Table Mesa Drive, Boulder, CO 80303
*******************************
Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0)REDACTED
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0)REDACTED
University of East Anglia
NorwichREDACTED Email REDACTED
NR4 7TJ
UK
REDACTEDREDACTEDREDACTEDREDACTED——–
============================================================
And for the record Dr. Trenberth, there appears to be no correlation between huricane frequency or hurricane intensity with global warming.
Global tropical cyclone activity, as measured by frequency and ACE is still at the lowest in 30 years, despite 2010 being claimed as the warmest year ever:
date: Thu Dec 9 08:28:11 2004
from: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
subject: Re: Correspondence with Chris Landsea
to: trenbert@ucar.edu
Kevin,
So you've heard. The other email may explain more and/or give details.
We will have to do without him. We still need to get a diagram, but we should
probably let this die down now.
Susan and Martin (and you can see the others) got the earlier email (which
you now have - if you've not got it from elsewhere). Keep me infomed.
By the way, still nothing from the Japanese contact, despite 2 reminders at
least. I'll send an email to the first Japanese I contacted.
Cheers
Phil
At 02:24 09/12/2004, you wrote:
Martin
I have not seen any of this. I just heard today at the NCAR Xmas party from
Tim Killeen that this existed. So I feel blindsided. I understand he has
resigned from CA of our chapter.
I responded to his earlier message in a fairly low key fashion. I think he
has behaved irresponsibly and ought to be fired by NOAA for not have an open
enough mind to even consider that climate change might be affecting
hurricanes. I am quickly becoming outraged by this and I hope it backfires on
him!!!!
Kevin
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, Martin Manning wrote:
> Dear Phil and Kevin
>
> Today Susan received a copy of some correspondence between Chris Landsea
> and Dr Pachauri regarding coverage of hurricanes and global warming by the
> IPCC. Although we were aware that Dr Landsea was raising the issue
> generally, we were not aware of the approach to Dr Pachauri and it is
> perhaps unfortunate that this was not referred to Susan.
>
> However, Susan would now like to consider a further appropriate response to
> Dr Landsea and she has asked me to ask you to wait for that before you
> consider any possible response of your own (assuming that you have seen the
> correspondence anyway?).
>
> Thanks
> Martin
>
> --
> Dr Martin R Manning
> *** NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: <REDACTED>@noaa.gov
> Director, IPCC WG I Support Unit Phone: <REDACTED>
> NOAA Aeronomy Laboratory Fax: <REDACTED>
> 325 Broadway, DSRC R/AL8
> Boulder, CO 80305, USA
---------------
Kevin E. Trenberth e-mail: <REDACTED>@ucar.edu
Climate Analysis Section, NCAR [1]www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/
P. O. Box 3000, Phone: <REDACTED>
Boulder, CO 80307 Fax: <REDACTED>
Street address: 1850 Table Mesa Drive, Boulder, CO 80303
*******************************
Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone <REDACTED>
School of Environmental Sciences Fax <REDACTED>
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email <REDACTED>@uea.ac.uk
NR4 7TJ
UK
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Ilkka Mononen says:
December 3, 2011 at 3:58 am
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Ilkka, I assume English isn’t you’re native language, and as a result your posts are difficult to understand. Unfortunate. Perhaps you can find someone to assist you in your writing? Otherwise we can’t tell if you’re really on to something, or spamming, etc.
Mods, wouldn’t a quick search thru the emails confirm or deny if these are “new” emails?
Beng, the quoted mail is not new. It is 5065.txt
Illka is from Finland.
beng says:
December 3, 2011 at 6:36 am
Ilkka, I assume English isn’t you’re native language, and as a result your posts are difficult to understand.
With a post like that your qualifications to comment on the language skills of others are highly questionable.
Charles the Moderator
I have sent the following message to Anthony.
I hope somebody can give us an answer:
Message: Could you please give us a brief thread about the posts being made by this person? Presumably he or she is Finsh and it is very difficult to comprehend what is being said. Is this person a supporter or a critic of AGW? – I can’t decide from her blog. Has she made a real break through? Is there anything new? Is it important to our understanding of the Team and all their works? Thank you.
Subject: Ilkka Mononen
@AusieDan
There’s nothing here. No AES 256 password break has occurred and there’s nothing embedded in the MIME data that I can see that suggests a password. While it could be plausible that Steganography was used to embed a the password, the modus operandi of the leaker “FOIA” doesn’t lend itself to such a suggestion. This person has been patient and in control, doubtful that he/she would leave the password in place for somebody to find.
The time for this final revelation is something he/she likely wants to control. Patience is a virtue.
Therefore, I won’t wast time on the issues raised by Ilkka Mononen unless I see something fare more concrete than the rambling speculations and infotainment posts presented thus far. – Anthony
Gail Combs,
When comparing Trenberth’s cartoon and the kwh figures available to solar panels, you are making a mistake. Even Trenberth couldn’t get away with figures that far off base. Trenberth’s 168W/m^2 plus 30W/m^2 are globally and annually averaged figures. Thus they are averaged over night and seasons where the night is longer and in some places last months. The other mistake is not to realize that the power per m^2 available to solar panels has been concentrated by raising them to an angle orthogonal to the sun. If you look at the shadow cast by such a 1 m^2 solar panel, you will see that it is intercepting more than just the power available to 1m^2 of surface at that latitude. The variation in kwh available to solar panels orthogonal to the sun varies even at the same latitude because the amount of sunny cloudless time varies. Even a bright cloudy day diffuses the sunlight, so that the effective concentration achieve by raising the panel orthogonal to the sun is reduced. regards
If this was just about fund raising to keep useless PhD’s out of the way, then having a Grand Argument over AGW, etc. would benefit the entire gang of them. “We’re all going to die unless… [fill in the blank]” works marvelously if both camps have ‘The Solution’, “but further research is necessary to prove it.”
So, I can only conclude that either the warmists are stupid, overly greedy about funding, or they have a major political agenda driving them. (Do I smell watermellons….??)