And to think I almost wasted my time going to visit Dr. Trenberth at NCAR this fall. This is mind blowing intolerance in professional discourse. Here’s the email, bold mine.
email 3946
date: Thu Dec 9 08:28:11 2004
from: Phil Jones <REDACTED>
subject: Re: Correspondence with Chris Landsea
to: REDACTED
Kevin,
So you’ve heard. The other email may explain more and/or give details.
We will have to do without him. We still need to get a diagram, but we should
probably let this die down now.
Susan and Martin (and you can see the others) got the earlier email (which
you now have – if you’ve not got it from elsewhere). Keep me infomed.
By the way, still nothing from the Japanese contact, despite 2 reminders at
least. I’ll send an email to the first Japanese I contacted.
Cheers
Phil
At 02:24 09/12/2004, you wrote:
Martin
I have not seen any of this. I just heard today at the NCAR Xmas party from
Tim Killeen that this existed. So I feel blindsided. I understand he has
resigned from CA of our chapter.
I responded to his earlier message in a fairly low key fashion. I think he
has behaved irresponsibly and ought to be fired by NOAA for not have an open enough mind to even consider that climate change might be affecting
hurricanes. I am quickly becoming outraged by this and I hope it backfires on
him!!!!
Kevin
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, Martin Manning wrote:
> Dear Phil and Kevin
>
> Today Susan received a copy of some correspondence between Chris Landsea and Dr Pachauri regarding coverage of hurricanes and global warming by the IPCC. Although we were aware that Dr Landsea was raising the issue
> generally, we were not aware of the approach to Dr Pachauri and it is
> perhaps unfortunate that this was not referred to Susan.
>
> However, Susan would now like to consider a further appropriate response to
> Dr Landsea and she has asked me to ask you to wait for that before you
> consider any possible response of your own (assuming that you have seen the
> correspondence anyway?).
>
> Thanks
> Martin
>
> —
> Dr Martin R Manning
> *** NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: REDACTED
> Director, IPCC WG I Support UnitREDACTEDPhone:REDACTED
> NOAA Aeronomy LaboratoryREDACTED Fax:REDACTED/ 5628
> 325 Broadway, DSRC R/AL8
> Boulder, CO 80305, USA
REDACTED—
Kevin E. TrenberthREDACTED e-mail: REDACTED
Climate Analysis Section, NCARREDACTED[1]www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/
P. O. Box 3000,REDACTEDREDACTED(303) 497 1318
Boulder, COREDACTEDREDACTED(303)REDACTED(fax)
Street address: 1850 Table Mesa Drive, Boulder, CO 80303
*******************************
Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0)REDACTED
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0)REDACTED
University of East Anglia
NorwichREDACTED Email REDACTED
NR4 7TJ
UK
REDACTEDREDACTEDREDACTEDREDACTED——–
============================================================
And for the record Dr. Trenberth, there appears to be no correlation between huricane frequency or hurricane intensity with global warming.
Global tropical cyclone activity, as measured by frequency and ACE is still at the lowest in 30 years, despite 2010 being claimed as the warmest year ever:
date: Thu Dec 9 08:28:11 2004
from: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
subject: Re: Correspondence with Chris Landsea
to: trenbert@ucar.edu
Kevin,
So you've heard. The other email may explain more and/or give details.
We will have to do without him. We still need to get a diagram, but we should
probably let this die down now.
Susan and Martin (and you can see the others) got the earlier email (which
you now have - if you've not got it from elsewhere). Keep me infomed.
By the way, still nothing from the Japanese contact, despite 2 reminders at
least. I'll send an email to the first Japanese I contacted.
Cheers
Phil
At 02:24 09/12/2004, you wrote:
Martin
I have not seen any of this. I just heard today at the NCAR Xmas party from
Tim Killeen that this existed. So I feel blindsided. I understand he has
resigned from CA of our chapter.
I responded to his earlier message in a fairly low key fashion. I think he
has behaved irresponsibly and ought to be fired by NOAA for not have an open
enough mind to even consider that climate change might be affecting
hurricanes. I am quickly becoming outraged by this and I hope it backfires on
him!!!!
Kevin
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, Martin Manning wrote:
> Dear Phil and Kevin
>
> Today Susan received a copy of some correspondence between Chris Landsea
> and Dr Pachauri regarding coverage of hurricanes and global warming by the
> IPCC. Although we were aware that Dr Landsea was raising the issue
> generally, we were not aware of the approach to Dr Pachauri and it is
> perhaps unfortunate that this was not referred to Susan.
>
> However, Susan would now like to consider a further appropriate response to
> Dr Landsea and she has asked me to ask you to wait for that before you
> consider any possible response of your own (assuming that you have seen the
> correspondence anyway?).
>
> Thanks
> Martin
>
> --
> Dr Martin R Manning
> *** NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: <REDACTED>@noaa.gov
> Director, IPCC WG I Support Unit Phone: <REDACTED>
> NOAA Aeronomy Laboratory Fax: <REDACTED>
> 325 Broadway, DSRC R/AL8
> Boulder, CO 80305, USA
---------------
Kevin E. Trenberth e-mail: <REDACTED>@ucar.edu
Climate Analysis Section, NCAR [1]www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/
P. O. Box 3000, Phone: <REDACTED>
Boulder, CO 80307 Fax: <REDACTED>
Street address: 1850 Table Mesa Drive, Boulder, CO 80303
*******************************
Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone <REDACTED>
School of Environmental Sciences Fax <REDACTED>
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email <REDACTED>@uea.ac.uk
NR4 7TJ
UK
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We have just come out of the hottest decade on the record and zip, zilch. Can’t climate scientists just put up their hands and say we got it wrong.
Do we have a Wall of Honor for all those that the team has tried to have fired?
APACHEWHOKNOWS says:
December 2, 2011 at 8:36 am
Keep in mind, your reading what they thought at the time where private e-mails.
Consider what they said and did when in private speaking/acting out with and to one another.
You know just the team in a huddle.
But, should they have thought that emails on “company time” using “company assests” are private?
Ilkka Mononen says:
December 2, 2011 at 7:22 am
Wont´you spread this ?
NR4 7TJ ,seems to be very important.
Search:
http://www.ecowho.com/foia.php?search=NR4+7TJ
____________________________
Some interesting stuff. I am only a very small way through because my computer is very old and very slow.
ian middleton says:
December 2, 2011 at 3:04 am
What’s with this “Chapter” stuff, it’s beginig to sound like the Free Masons. Do they have a secret handshake?
Well now, that is an insult to all Free Masons, if there ever was one. The Free Masons conspire with style and grace, unlike these hacks.
Gail Combs says:
December 2, 2011 at 1:50 pm
Ilkka Mononen says:
December 2, 2011 at 7:22 am
Wont´you spread this ?
NR4 7TJ ,seems to be very important.
Search:
http://www.ecowho.com/foia.php?search=NR4+7TJ
____________________________
Some interesting stuff. I am only a very small way through because my computer is very old and very slow.
_________________________
A postal code?
That’s the point the “yawners” are missing. We should stress it.
NR4 7TJ is the postal code for the UEA.
Goatweed says:
December 2, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Do we have a Wall of Honor for all those that the team has tried to have fired?
Good idea. Plus a list of all the journals they tried to destroy. Gather all those who we currently know of – alas, I have a feeling there are more we don’t know of yet.
And while we’re at it, gather all the instances they tried to find who the reviewers were (surely to invite them for tea) if a study was published they didn’t like. And all the cases they tried to interfere with peer-review, if they got wind of a possible publication of a study they might not like.
I found this on the first day,
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/22/climategate-2-0/#comment-804770
Don says:
December 2, 2011 at 3:04 pm
NR4 7TJ is the postal code for the UEA.
_________________
Could be the locker combination at the Area 51 Aliens Only hot tub?
Gail Combs says:
December 2, 2011 at 1:50 pm
Ilkka Mononen says:
December 2, 2011 at 7:22 am
Chris B says:
December 2, 2011 at 2:51 pm
NR4 7TJ is a postcode for:
University Of East Anglia
Norwich Research Park
Earlham Road
Norwich
NR4 7TJ
Not surprising to find that in amongst the emails.
Chris B, Gail Combs etc, regarding the posts by Ilkka, check also in http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/12/01/steve-mcintyre-on-the-bolt-report/#more-52371 in the comments where another commenter (_jim) has deciphered her cryptic posts, and has run a mime decoding on some of the attachments. In this thread she seems to be saying some are also in US http format, assuming i am understanding correctly.
I have no idea if this is worth looking more deeply into, but given that these newly released emails have been a goldmine so far, it may be that her approach will yield yet more ore.
2004 was a very active year for hurricanes in the tropical Southern North Atlantic. 2005 was also very active. However every year since that high period, activity has been weaker. 2008 was the most recent year with a lot of named storms, as was this past season but the numbers of storms hasn’t equalled the 2004-2005 period nor has the storm intensity. It seems to be more linkable to things like sea serface temperatures and temperature of the water at depth. These in turn may relate to CO2, but the steady climb in CO2 of recent years is not reflected in recent Atlantic hurricane activity. At least not in an obvious Occams Razor manner.
One of the things that happened between 2004 and 2008, is that the National Hurricane Center became a part of NOAA. This leads to a bit of a fox in the hen house problem, with NOAA making annual predictions of therange of named storm activity with intensity. To add to the confusion, Penn State with Dr. Mann leading their effort also makes predictions. It seems like these wanna be hurricane season prognosticators are trying to out do the Colorado team led by the venerable Dr. Gray who has been spear heading their effort for decades.
On another front, the use of models in trying to predict tropical cyclone genisis and the consequent tracking plus intensity has been going on year after year. The main GCM models and supercomputers from the US, Canada, Britain, and Europe have been used. In this past decade there has been no appreciable improvement in there output. Every year the GCM models seem to get tweaked. Like a horse race some will improve yet some will disimprove. For those of us with actual skin in the game we have to rely on actual observations and satellite tracking info, but it is fun to watch the youngsters tout this or that particular GCM in advance of the actual cyclonic genisis. Weather Underground has a blog where comments in this genre gets collected. At the end of the day, the GCMs are highly accurate at 2 days in the future, but beyond 5 days things get fuzzy and out at about 10 days their performance fairly sucks. Beyond that, lies the trophy of climate.
I suspect this is the whole rationale behind Fear-Forced (Post-Normal) Science, the proposition that the environmental consequences of a human activity, as revealed by a plausible ‘scientific’ theory can be so dire that public scientific opposition cannot be tolerated, even if there might be a preponderance of evidence casting doubt on the theory, since emergency counteraction must be taken without delay. They seem to claim the consequences of not taking timely action (thermal runaway) will outweigh the consequences of taking that action unnecessarily, should the theory prove to be false; skepticism is not an option. I think our free society cannot survive the acceptance of any such philosophy.
There is a YouTube video entitled ‘The Most Terrifying Video You’ll Ever See’ (2007) that promotes this line of thinking.
“Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely”. Judging by the Climategate e-mails, Trenberth, Mann, and Jones are examples of three climate scienists who have thrived on power over the world of climate and are most certainly examples of scientists who let their powerful positons in the climate community absolutely corrupt themelves.
Two interesting implications here:
Trenberth probably knew at the time that Landsea’s data was correct, hence the plaintive “…and I hope it backfires on him!!!!..”. Phil Jones also apparently also knew it was no good fighting it; “…but we should probably let this die down now….”
The second one is that Landsea’s resignation from the IPCC had apparently already been triggered at this point. Phil Jones; “….We will have to do without him…”
harles the Moderator
Please look into what ILKKA is saying.
Rhere was also someone cannled BILL on another thread who claims to understand her and has translated one of the long encripted threads.
Either ILKKA has cracked the code or she is mistaken.
If mistaken she may have to be banned or at least cuationed.
If correct – this is explosive, for many different reasons.
Will if harm FOIA or lead him to yet more sets of emails.
The one that BILL translated seems to be more about administrative matters that science.
That could lead us up, to a completely different level of concern.
But please do not keep ignoring her.
She just may be onto something big.
Regards
Charles the Moderator
Appologies for my typing which is terrible today.
The second person is someone called Bill, who claimed to have used ILKKA’s method to translate a long email into plain text.
I hope you can manke sense of the rest of my previous post.
Just a note Ilkka is Finnish,
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fi&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsites.google.com%2Fsite%2Fmyteurastaja%2Fhome
Cover Letter/ http://www.ecowho.com/foia.php?file=5323.txt&search=+uk
“date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 12:09:35 0100
from: Joseph Alcamo
subject: Re: Climate Statement Version 4
to: Mike Hulme
Mike,”
Thanks for your positive comments.
If it’s OK with you, I would like to take your comments into
account in the next version of the statement (Version 5).
In the meantime, I would like to take you up on your offer that you
would distribute the current version (Version 4) for comment around
the UK. The idea that Rob Swart and I have is to keep the circle
fairly small right now so that we can have a good statement agreed
upon by some prominent people before we send it out for signing.
Therefore we would like to send the Statement to no more than about
5 or 10 rather prominent people in the climate scene in our
respective countries. For example, I will be discussing it in the
next few days with Schellnhuber, Grassl, Crutzen and others here
in Germany.
Who do you propose to send it to in the UK?
(By the way, I already received comments back from S. Subak.)
Another issue is what you use as a cover letter for the Statement. I
think it is important either to send the cover letter you now have
(signed by me) or a modified one (signed either by you alone or both
of us) because it spells out the aims and intended audience of the
Statement.
What do you think?
With best wishes,
Joe Alcamo
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From: Joseph Alcamo
To: Mike Hulme
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 11:02:55 0100
Subject: Re: Climate Statement Version 4
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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 20:54:29 +010 ???
To: ???@ur momisuglyusf.uni-kassel.de
From: Mike Hulme
Subject: Re: Climate Statement Version 4
Joe,
I can approach a few people over here if you wish, using your cover letter
with a couple of amendments and signed by me and you.
That would be great!
One question to be
clear about is how is it going to appear in public – as an independent
statement or under the umbrella of some organisation?
This is the current idea:
1. You, Rob Swart and I should first consult with a
manageable-number of people about the content of the Statement. The
three of us would act as “Coordinators” of the Statement.
2. After this fairly small group agrees on the content of the
Statement we should try and convince ten or so “prominent” scientists
from different parts of Europe to be official signers.
The names of these prominent people would appear on the
same page as the Statement. Rob and I have not discussed who these
ten people should be. Some could be from the original circle that we
consult in step 1.
3. After “The Ten” have signed on, we need an enthusiastic
organization to carry out the time-consuming task of collecting as
many signatures of scientists in Europe as possible, so that we can
say “1,865 European scientists, including (the prominent ten) have
signed a Statement that says .. and so forth”. I don’t think that
either you or Rob or I have the time to do this. For the American
statement this job was done by an organization called “Redefining
Progress”. Perhaps for us it could be WWF. What do you think.
4. The last step would be to hold a press conference(s) to announce
the Statement. For this we would try and get as many of “The Ten”
as possible to attend. My idea would be to aim for the AGBM meeting
in October, when the debate should be pretty hot, and media
interest in anticipation of Kyoto should be increasing.
People here I would think of are:
Martin Parry
Kerry Turner
Melvyn Cannell
Mick Kelly
Michael Grubb
David Carson
What about John Mitchell?
I would also limit number to about five at this point.
e.g. In the coming two weeks I will speak to Schellnhuber, Jill
Jaeger, Grassl, and maybe two others about the Statement.
Best regards,
Joe Alcamo
—————————————————-
Prof. Dr. Joseph Alcamo
Center for Environmental Systems Research
University of Kassel
Kurt Wolters Strasse 3
D-34109 Kassel
Germany
Phone: +49 ???
Fax: +49 ???
Its like, if you are not a true believer you can not be a member of the new religion. Mix the idea that they are psycopaths and you begin to see how the plan works.
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Thi is only a draft, im´so hurry ….
Further versions are on my page.
Ilkka.
CASE “Susan Salomon”, strange to me, will somebody tell me something abouot her.
There is some MIME data, maybe i take closer look.
There is a Gigantic mass of unseen emails.
“cc: “Press Office”
date: Tue, 12 May 2009 16:44:13 +010 ???
from: “Palmer Dave Mr \(LIB\)”
subject: RE: FW: Data access – request from Ian Hinds
to: “Jones Philip Prof \(ENV\)” , “Mcgarvie Michael Mr \(ACAD\)”
Phil,
Thanks for this. I do think that some thought has to go into our response as the answer
to Mr. Peters is, quite frankly, in our correspondence with Mr. McIntyre, and the response
to Mr. Eschenbach is (a) either you give the data to him (or mount it on the web), or (b)
he puts in a FOIA request as he did in 2007. What I don’t know is whether what is being
referred to is any different than what we dealt with back then….
As to a possible s.14, were we to find a link from the website to these individuals, we
might start thinking about invoking s.14, but, there would be quite a stink raised by these
individuals and we, as an organisation, would need to be convinced that the aggro &
publicity would be worth the result.
As Michael stated in his separate email to you, he and I (and our colleagues in the Press
Office) will need to consult on how best to approach this……
In spring, a young man’s fancy turns to thoughts of HadCRUT obviously…..
Cheers, Dave
______________________________________________________________________________________
From: Phil Jones [mailto:???@ur momisuglyuea.ac.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:47 PM
To: Palmer Dave Mr (LIB); Mcgarvie Michael Mr (ACAD)
Subject: RE: FW: Data access – request from Ian Hinds
Dave,
Here they are. The first was the person who sent the FOI in 2007.
The second is for an explanation. I don’t want to go through that again,
so won’t be replying. Any reply would just appear on the CA site.
Neither are specific requests. If I get any more tonight I’ll send them.
If the moderator of the CA site hadn’t put a new thread up, none
of these emails would have come. It is just a lot of lackeys doing
the moderator’s work.
Moderator is a bit of a grand title – but I couldn’t think of another polite word.
Cheers
Phil
From: Willis Eschenbach
To: Phil Jones
Thread-Topic: Source Data
Thread-Index: AcnSpJfM1qIAWD6XEd68pwAbY5aqXw==
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Dear Dr. Jones:
On the Hadley Center web site at
they say:
To obtain the archive of raw land surface temperature observations used to create
CRUTEM3, you will need to contact Phil Jones at the Climate Research Unit at the
University of East Anglia.
I am interested in obtaining that data. What is the procedure for obtaining it?
Many thanks for your assistance,
w.
From: Doug Peters
To: ???@ur momisuglyuea.ac.uk
Subject: Climate data
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 19:20:50 -0700
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Prof. Jones – Could you kindly provide an explanation for why you
refuse to give Steve McIntyre the data he requested? Thank you , Doug
Peters
At 14:10 12/05/2009, Palmer Dave Mr \(LIB\) wrote:
Reviewed the comments – was aware of the activity of Mr. Holland. I
think we would need to look at any new reques5st carefully to see if it
fit the statutory definition of a repeat request under s.14 of the Act.
It might be useful to have the other emails as well if, for example, we
wish to consider a claim for a vexatious request under s.14….
Cheers, Dave
>—–Original Message—–
>From: Phil Jones [[8] mailto:???@ur momisuglyuea.ac.uk]
>Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:00 PM
>To: Mcgarvie Michael Mr (ACAD)
>Cc: Dunford Simon Mr (MAC); Palmer Dave Mr (LIB)
>Subject: Re: FW: Data access – request from Ian Hinds
>
>
> Michael,
> If you think we need to respond to this nasty email, then you can.
> I’ve had two others overnight as well. I wasn’t planning on
>responding to
> any of them – instead wait till the FOIs come.
> By the way, what they are requesting is the same as what they
> were after in 2007. My position is still the same. We replied through
> FOI then and can use the same responses now. I hope we can
> have some quick meetings.
>
> Cheers
> Phil
>
> PS to Michael/Dave – you might like to look at the link and
>to comment #17.
> It seems that out friend has 5 complaints in with the Information
>Commissioner!
>
>
>At 13:52 12/05/2009, Mcgarvie Michael Mr \(ACAD\) wrote:
>>Phil,
>>
>>Dave Palmer alerted me to the recent email to you. I asked his advice
>>on what advice/support we should give you. The view is that
>a response
>>acknowleding the email and saying that we await the formal
>FOISA request
>>should be sufficient. Simone Dunford from the Press Office
>is happy to
>>respond in this way if you would prefer it.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>Michael
>>
>>Michael McGarvie
>>Director of Faculty Administration
>>Faculty of Science
>>Room 0.22B
>>University of East Anglia
>>Norwich NR4 7TJ
>>
>>tel: ???
>>fax: ???
>>
>>???@ur momisuglyuea.ac.uk
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>—–Original Message—–
>>From: Dunford Simon Mr (MAC)
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:54 AM
>>To: Palmer Dave Mr (LIB); Mcgarvie Michael Mr (ACAD)
>>Cc: Press Office; Colam Jonathan Mr (ISD)
>>Subject: RE: Data access
>>
>>Hi all
>>
>>I’ve had a brief discussion with Annie about this and we
>agree that any
>>response should simply acknowledge receipt of the email and state that
>>the FOI request will be dealt with in the normal manner when
>it arrives.
>>
>>
>>Perhaps Phil should be kept right out of it. I’m happy to respond on
>>Phil’s behalf if you like.
>>
>>Simon
>>
>>Simon Dunford, Press Officer,
>>University of East Anglia,
>>Norwich, NR4 7TJ.
>>Tel:+44 ???
>>[9] http://www.uea.ac.uk/comm
>>
>> >—–Original Message—–
>> >From: Palmer Dave Mr (LIB) [[10] mailto:???@ur momisuglyuea.ac.uk]
>> >Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:45 AM
>> >To: Mcgarvie Michael Mr (ACAD)
>> >Cc: Press Office; Colam Jonathan Mr (ISD)
>> >Subject: RE: Data access
>> >
>> >Michael,
>> >The writer clearly indicates that a request is to come and
>I think that
>> >we should wait for that. The first question could be answered
>> >I suppose
>> >with a general statement regarding our processing of FOIA
>requests but
>> >clearly the second is unanswerable in any form that would not appear
>> >either provocative or slightly ludicrous.
>> >
>> >I would look to Annie or Simon for advice on a response from Phil
>> >directly – flame wars are dangerous things to get into and given the
>> >apparent antipathy to Phil by this person (and community),
>any response
>> >would (a) immediately get published and (b) likely be rubbished
>> >completely.
>> >
>> >I would very much recommend against any emotive response or internal
>> >correspondence with any declarations regarding other
>persons; opinions
>> >about other persons are the personal information of that person and
>> >liable to a data subject request under the Data Protection Act 1998.
>> >
>> >In terms of impact, what I don’t know is the reach of the
>contributors
>> >to this site outside the climate research field, i.e. in the larger
>> >’media world’. I can state that the writer below is not
>> >someone that we
>> >have had dealings with in the past.
>> >
>> >Hope this helps move things along.
>> >
>> >Cheers, Dave
>> >
>> >Cc. JC for information
>> >
>> >>—–Original Message—–
>> >>From: Mcgarvie Michael Mr (ACAD)
>> >>Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:03 AM
>> >>To: Palmer Dave Mr (LIB)
>> >>Cc: Press Office
>> >>Subject: RE: Data access
>> >>
>> >>Dave,
>> >>
>> >>Thanks for this.
>> >>
>> >>As a FOIA request will come on the back of it I suggest that
>> >>we wait for that to come. If you feel that Phil should not
>> >>respond to this but wait for the formal request could you let
>> >>him know please?
>> >>
>> >>Regards
>> >>
>> >>Michael
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Michael McGarvie
>> >>Director of Faculty Administration
>> >>Faculty of Science
>> >>Room 0.22B
>> >>University of East Anglia
>> >>Norwich NR4 7TJ
>> >>
>> >>tel: ???
>> >>fax: ???
>> >>
>> >>???@ur momisuglyuea.ac.uk
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>—–Original Message—–
>> >>From: Palmer Dave Mr (LIB)
>> >>Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:56 AM
>> >>To: Mcgarvie Michael Mr (ACAD)
>> >>Cc: Press Office
>> >>Subject: FW: Data access
>> >>
>> >>Michael,
>> >>I am not sure whether this qualifies as a request and clearly
>> >>we should be expecting something more detailed in the near
>> >>future. The link is to an update from Mr. McIntyre on the
>> >>HadCRUT data that had been requested from us back in 2007.
>> >>The article clearly states an intent to make a FOIA request.
>> >>
>> >>Cheers, Dave
>> >>
>> >>Cc. Press Office for information
>> >>
>> >>—–Original Message—–
>> >>From: Ian Hinds [[11] mailto:???@ur momisuglyorange.net]
>> >>Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:29 PM
>> >>To: Jones Philip Prof (ENV)
>> >>Cc: Briffa Keith Prof (ENV); Goodess Clare Dr (ENV);
>> >>???@ur momisuglyrmets.org; Sheppard Sylv Miss (SCI); David Keith
>> >>Palmer; Carruth Geoffrey Mr (ACAD); Goodwin Nicholas Dr
>> >>(ACAD); Schofield Julie Ms (ACAD); Danino-Appleton Vittoria Dr
>> >>(ACAD); Johnson Sue Mrs (ACAD); Carter Jon Dr (ACAD); Press
>> >>Office; Ogden Annie Ms (MAC); Dunford Simon Mr (MAC); Bartman
>> >>Cat Ms (MAC); Horton Lisa Miss (MAC)
>> >>Subject: Data access
>> >>
>> >>Dear Mr Jones
>> >>
>> >>As a UK tax payer from the productive economy, could you
>> >>please explain
>> >>why you restrict access to data sets that are gathered using
>> >tax payer
>> >>funds e.g. CRUTEM3. Can you believe how embarassing this is to
>> >>a UK TAX
>> >>PAYER, putting up with your amateurish non disclosure of
>enviromental
>> >>information.
>> >>
>> >>For reference [12]http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=5962 refers to
>> >>your absymal
>> >>attitude to public data, although this is just the latest in an
>> >>embarassing set of reasonable requests from CRU, who the
>hell do you
>> >>think you are? There will of course be an FOI on the back of this
>> >>
>> >>Regards
>> >>Ian
>> >>
>> >
>
>Prof. Phil Jones
>Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 ???
>School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 ???
>University of East Anglia
>Norwich Email ???@ur momisuglyuea.ac.uk
>NR4 7TJ
>UK
>—————————————————————
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>
>
>
Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 ???
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 ???
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email ???@ur momisuglyuea.ac.uk
NR4 7TJ
UK
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How many of these emails have to do with (a) actually discussing scientific data and theory, and (b) covering each others asses with agenda driven issues and smearing dissent?
Seems to me its almost none of the former and all of the latter.
What do these guys have to hide other than their scam?