And to think I almost wasted my time going to visit Dr. Trenberth at NCAR this fall. This is mind blowing intolerance in professional discourse. Here’s the email, bold mine.
email 3946
date: Thu Dec 9 08:28:11 2004
from: Phil Jones <REDACTED>
subject: Re: Correspondence with Chris Landsea
to: REDACTED
Kevin,
So you’ve heard. The other email may explain more and/or give details.
We will have to do without him. We still need to get a diagram, but we should
probably let this die down now.
Susan and Martin (and you can see the others) got the earlier email (which
you now have – if you’ve not got it from elsewhere). Keep me infomed.
By the way, still nothing from the Japanese contact, despite 2 reminders at
least. I’ll send an email to the first Japanese I contacted.
Cheers
Phil
At 02:24 09/12/2004, you wrote:
Martin
I have not seen any of this. I just heard today at the NCAR Xmas party from
Tim Killeen that this existed. So I feel blindsided. I understand he has
resigned from CA of our chapter.
I responded to his earlier message in a fairly low key fashion. I think he
has behaved irresponsibly and ought to be fired by NOAA for not have an open enough mind to even consider that climate change might be affecting
hurricanes. I am quickly becoming outraged by this and I hope it backfires on
him!!!!
Kevin
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, Martin Manning wrote:
> Dear Phil and Kevin
>
> Today Susan received a copy of some correspondence between Chris Landsea and Dr Pachauri regarding coverage of hurricanes and global warming by the IPCC. Although we were aware that Dr Landsea was raising the issue
> generally, we were not aware of the approach to Dr Pachauri and it is
> perhaps unfortunate that this was not referred to Susan.
>
> However, Susan would now like to consider a further appropriate response to
> Dr Landsea and she has asked me to ask you to wait for that before you
> consider any possible response of your own (assuming that you have seen the
> correspondence anyway?).
>
> Thanks
> Martin
>
> —
> Dr Martin R Manning
> *** NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: REDACTED
> Director, IPCC WG I Support UnitREDACTEDPhone:REDACTED
> NOAA Aeronomy LaboratoryREDACTED Fax:REDACTED/ 5628
> 325 Broadway, DSRC R/AL8
> Boulder, CO 80305, USA
REDACTED—
Kevin E. TrenberthREDACTED e-mail: REDACTED
Climate Analysis Section, NCARREDACTED[1]www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/
P. O. Box 3000,REDACTEDREDACTED(303) 497 1318
Boulder, COREDACTEDREDACTED(303)REDACTED(fax)
Street address: 1850 Table Mesa Drive, Boulder, CO 80303
*******************************
Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0)REDACTED
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0)REDACTED
University of East Anglia
NorwichREDACTED Email REDACTED
NR4 7TJ
UK
REDACTEDREDACTEDREDACTEDREDACTED——–
============================================================
And for the record Dr. Trenberth, there appears to be no correlation between huricane frequency or hurricane intensity with global warming.
Global tropical cyclone activity, as measured by frequency and ACE is still at the lowest in 30 years, despite 2010 being claimed as the warmest year ever:
date: Thu Dec 9 08:28:11 2004
from: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
subject: Re: Correspondence with Chris Landsea
to: trenbert@ucar.edu
Kevin,
So you've heard. The other email may explain more and/or give details.
We will have to do without him. We still need to get a diagram, but we should
probably let this die down now.
Susan and Martin (and you can see the others) got the earlier email (which
you now have - if you've not got it from elsewhere). Keep me infomed.
By the way, still nothing from the Japanese contact, despite 2 reminders at
least. I'll send an email to the first Japanese I contacted.
Cheers
Phil
At 02:24 09/12/2004, you wrote:
Martin
I have not seen any of this. I just heard today at the NCAR Xmas party from
Tim Killeen that this existed. So I feel blindsided. I understand he has
resigned from CA of our chapter.
I responded to his earlier message in a fairly low key fashion. I think he
has behaved irresponsibly and ought to be fired by NOAA for not have an open
enough mind to even consider that climate change might be affecting
hurricanes. I am quickly becoming outraged by this and I hope it backfires on
him!!!!
Kevin
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, Martin Manning wrote:
> Dear Phil and Kevin
>
> Today Susan received a copy of some correspondence between Chris Landsea
> and Dr Pachauri regarding coverage of hurricanes and global warming by the
> IPCC. Although we were aware that Dr Landsea was raising the issue
> generally, we were not aware of the approach to Dr Pachauri and it is
> perhaps unfortunate that this was not referred to Susan.
>
> However, Susan would now like to consider a further appropriate response to
> Dr Landsea and she has asked me to ask you to wait for that before you
> consider any possible response of your own (assuming that you have seen the
> correspondence anyway?).
>
> Thanks
> Martin
>
> --
> Dr Martin R Manning
> *** NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: <REDACTED>@noaa.gov
> Director, IPCC WG I Support Unit Phone: <REDACTED>
> NOAA Aeronomy Laboratory Fax: <REDACTED>
> 325 Broadway, DSRC R/AL8
> Boulder, CO 80305, USA
---------------
Kevin E. Trenberth e-mail: <REDACTED>@ucar.edu
Climate Analysis Section, NCAR [1]www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/
P. O. Box 3000, Phone: <REDACTED>
Boulder, CO 80307 Fax: <REDACTED>
Street address: 1850 Table Mesa Drive, Boulder, CO 80303
*******************************
Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone <REDACTED>
School of Environmental Sciences Fax <REDACTED>
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email <REDACTED>@uea.ac.uk
NR4 7TJ
UK
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What’s with this “Chapter” stuff, it’s beginig to sound like the Free Masons. Do they have a secret handshake?
I don’t know, but you had better check for missing rings and watches after handshaking with these characters.
Your mind is like a parachute Kevin, it only works when it’s open, which means giving due consideration to all the factors and either ruling stuff in or out based on the facts alone, not some conviction you personally hold based on what your precious models might say or what jones/mann et al might tell you is right.
Basking in the glow of adulation from the rest of your “team” for the amount of contrary views youve managed to supress, or other scientists youve gleefully smeared, or the number of bumpf papers youve had published wont make you any more right than youre currently wrong.
Since youre at the pinnacle of your field (apparently) theres only one way to go, dont break too many branches on the way down…..
Try looking up the definition of the word “objectivity” Kevin and see if what youre doing meets that definition, I dont think it comes even close.
A better word would be “corrupted”, fits perfectly.
Who is so open minded that they think it’s a travesty that the expected ocean heat is missing?
Mime conversion is MIME part of my page.
They have used also slightly diffrent formats, us. ascii, etc .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleprinter
Ilkka
This is my opinion of the whole holy scam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“…and ought to be fired by NOAA for not have an open enough mind to even consider that climate change might be affecting
hurricanes. ”
The truth is that Chris Landsea never said that climate change (global warming) won’t affect hurricanes. What he did say is that the to-date effects of 20’th century warming are too small to be detected in the noisy data.
ian middleton says:
December 2, 2011 at 3:04 am
What’s with this “Chapter” stuff, it’s beginig to sound like the Free Masons. Do they have a secret handshake?
Perhaps a “butt bump” would be more appropriate?
🙂
Yet Chris Landsea was right and Trenberth was wrong.
The science has even now accepted that the hurricanes may not change much at all with global warming.
So people are to be fired for having an “accurate” conclusion.
“And to think I almost wasted my time going to visit Dr. Trenberth at NCAR this fall.”
Did you ever explain why this never happened?
The BBC have spent many segments basically dissing Jeremy Clarkson [Top Gear is one of the Beeb’s most watched programmes – so I doubt they will sack him] and all he was doing was his usual tongue in cheek verbal banter. If you don’t like it – change channels – don’t get pathetic lefty Trade Unionists banging on when most of their members are getting above average pensions anyway. Delayed by 3 years or so but all of us are involved in paying more for fuel because our stupid politicians think wind power will save the planet and pensions are along way off for a lot of their inmates anyway.
The irony of the above is but a manifestation of Treberth’s hypocrisy and intolerance.
Strongly suggest to change to BING climategate. Google climategate attemps to make it an old story by delaying the breaking events
> date: Thu Dec 9 08:28:11 2004
About a month or so later Landsea resigned from the IPCC, the full letter and more with communication with Pachauri is at http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/18/pachauri-used-corporate-teri-email-account-to-conduct-official-ipcc-business/ and is well worth the visit.
In part, he wrote:
Chris Landsea’s career has been entirely above board and focused on getting the best data for his studies. He spearheaded a project to review past hurricane records (e.g. ship log’s records of swells from distant storms) to provide a much improve historical base for comparisons.
He was one of Bill Gray’s students before going to NOAA and brought a lot of knowledge and skill with him.
Like many on the extreme left, they preach tolerance but what they really mean is that you should agree with their viewpoint. That doublespeak is seen here by Kevin Treberth by these words “not have an open enough mind”. If Chris Landsea had said that global warming was causing more hurricanes and refused to listen to dissenting viewpoints, in Treberth’s mind that would be an “open mind”. The ones that say we should be tolerant are the most intolerant of all.
Brian Johnson uk:
You provide a good attempt at troll disruption of this thread at December 2, 2011 at 4:39 am where you dangle a red-herring about Jeremy Clarkson with hooks concerning trades unionists, pensions, etc.
But this thread is about the disgraceful behaviour of Phil Jones.
I am a left-wing, socialist, trade unionist who refuses to bite on any of your hooks, and I call on all others of every political persuasion to ignore your trolling, too.
Address the subject of this thread or go away.
Richard
Ooops, of course I meant to type Kevin Trenberth and not Phil Jones (but they are all much the same).
Sorry.
Richard
Does the MSM realize that people are beginning or have already figured out that they are not impartial and are politically biased (liars)? That they cannot be trusted to report the news and facts accurately?
You’d think that they would be somewhat concerned with their reputation and public trust in them. Alas, apparently NOT.
Ilkka Mononen:
What do you mean?
Quess:
In any sane world (or one where Climagegate 1 and 2 emails are widely disseminated), this Dr. Trenberth would be the one that would be terminated.
Andrew says:
December 2, 2011 at 5:16 am
Or use http://www.dogpile.com. It isn’t owned by an organization that’s about as deceptive as the one who owns Bing.
I don’t see Landsea’s e-mail(s). Were they not quoted? Might he send them to WUWT?
I’m assuming that the bold face and Maue chart were inserted by Anthony, and were not due to Landsea.
http://www.ecowho.com/foia.php?search=landsea+Folland*
ClimategateII search language, mus i´do a dictionary?
http://www.youtube.com/user/nasumusa#p/a/u/0/xXBISRHeXUA
“Yet Chris Landsea was right and Trenberth was wrong.
The science has even now accepted that the hurricanes may not change much at all with global warming.
So people are to be fired for having an “accurate” conclusion.”
This hits the heart of the matter, not only were they trying to sideline and have fired a man who being an expert on hurricanes would be more likely to know what was happening with them than almost anyone on the planet
But he was as you say actually right – to lie to make a theory (or cause) more plausible isnt science
But then we wll know that already
The back story will eventually be incredible. I do not believe it will turn out to be a criminal conspiracy to turn the world into some commy red government (maybe it will in the 007 movie version) but rather something much worse. We have in place a culture of blind faith mob behavior mixed with very poor science methodology crowned in our higher institutions. When the house of cards falls, and it will, there will be outrage and a call for both broad and deep scrutiny of graduate programs, dissertation committees, and grant departments in every Ivory tower that dipped into climate research funds. And with scrutiny comes regulations. One such regulation should stipulate (are you listening new president?) that all publicly funded research efforts, funded in whole or part, must be made available free and immediately to public scrutiny. No more pay-walled secret society pal journals. And every peer review panel should include unencumbered statisticians whose job is to screen out papers that cannot be supported statistically. These climate scientists are cooking their own stuffed and trussed goose and gander.
So sad to see that this bullying actually works. Soon after Chris Landsea disengages from the IPCC. This is exactly what these climate propagandists wanted. Get rid of the real experts and fill the positions with like minded Eco-fascists.
The MSM have some explaining to do, however, they control the witness so you can expect more silence about the travesty of the scam of man-made global warming.