And to think I almost wasted my time going to visit Dr. Trenberth at NCAR this fall. This is mind blowing intolerance in professional discourse. Here’s the email, bold mine.
email 3946
date: Thu Dec 9 08:28:11 2004
from: Phil Jones <REDACTED>
subject: Re: Correspondence with Chris Landsea
to: REDACTED
Kevin,
So you’ve heard. The other email may explain more and/or give details.
We will have to do without him. We still need to get a diagram, but we should
probably let this die down now.
Susan and Martin (and you can see the others) got the earlier email (which
you now have – if you’ve not got it from elsewhere). Keep me infomed.
By the way, still nothing from the Japanese contact, despite 2 reminders at
least. I’ll send an email to the first Japanese I contacted.
Cheers
Phil
At 02:24 09/12/2004, you wrote:
Martin
I have not seen any of this. I just heard today at the NCAR Xmas party from
Tim Killeen that this existed. So I feel blindsided. I understand he has
resigned from CA of our chapter.
I responded to his earlier message in a fairly low key fashion. I think he
has behaved irresponsibly and ought to be fired by NOAA for not have an open enough mind to even consider that climate change might be affecting
hurricanes. I am quickly becoming outraged by this and I hope it backfires on
him!!!!
Kevin
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, Martin Manning wrote:
> Dear Phil and Kevin
>
> Today Susan received a copy of some correspondence between Chris Landsea and Dr Pachauri regarding coverage of hurricanes and global warming by the IPCC. Although we were aware that Dr Landsea was raising the issue
> generally, we were not aware of the approach to Dr Pachauri and it is
> perhaps unfortunate that this was not referred to Susan.
>
> However, Susan would now like to consider a further appropriate response to
> Dr Landsea and she has asked me to ask you to wait for that before you
> consider any possible response of your own (assuming that you have seen the
> correspondence anyway?).
>
> Thanks
> Martin
>
> —
> Dr Martin R Manning
> *** NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: REDACTED
> Director, IPCC WG I Support UnitREDACTEDPhone:REDACTED
> NOAA Aeronomy LaboratoryREDACTED Fax:REDACTED/ 5628
> 325 Broadway, DSRC R/AL8
> Boulder, CO 80305, USA
REDACTED—
Kevin E. TrenberthREDACTED e-mail: REDACTED
Climate Analysis Section, NCARREDACTED[1]www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/
P. O. Box 3000,REDACTEDREDACTED(303) 497 1318
Boulder, COREDACTEDREDACTED(303)REDACTED(fax)
Street address: 1850 Table Mesa Drive, Boulder, CO 80303
*******************************
Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0)REDACTED
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0)REDACTED
University of East Anglia
NorwichREDACTED Email REDACTED
NR4 7TJ
UK
REDACTEDREDACTEDREDACTEDREDACTED——–
============================================================
And for the record Dr. Trenberth, there appears to be no correlation between huricane frequency or hurricane intensity with global warming.
Global tropical cyclone activity, as measured by frequency and ACE is still at the lowest in 30 years, despite 2010 being claimed as the warmest year ever:
date: Thu Dec 9 08:28:11 2004
from: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
subject: Re: Correspondence with Chris Landsea
to: trenbert@ucar.edu
Kevin,
So you've heard. The other email may explain more and/or give details.
We will have to do without him. We still need to get a diagram, but we should
probably let this die down now.
Susan and Martin (and you can see the others) got the earlier email (which
you now have - if you've not got it from elsewhere). Keep me infomed.
By the way, still nothing from the Japanese contact, despite 2 reminders at
least. I'll send an email to the first Japanese I contacted.
Cheers
Phil
At 02:24 09/12/2004, you wrote:
Martin
I have not seen any of this. I just heard today at the NCAR Xmas party from
Tim Killeen that this existed. So I feel blindsided. I understand he has
resigned from CA of our chapter.
I responded to his earlier message in a fairly low key fashion. I think he
has behaved irresponsibly and ought to be fired by NOAA for not have an open
enough mind to even consider that climate change might be affecting
hurricanes. I am quickly becoming outraged by this and I hope it backfires on
him!!!!
Kevin
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, Martin Manning wrote:
> Dear Phil and Kevin
>
> Today Susan received a copy of some correspondence between Chris Landsea
> and Dr Pachauri regarding coverage of hurricanes and global warming by the
> IPCC. Although we were aware that Dr Landsea was raising the issue
> generally, we were not aware of the approach to Dr Pachauri and it is
> perhaps unfortunate that this was not referred to Susan.
>
> However, Susan would now like to consider a further appropriate response to
> Dr Landsea and she has asked me to ask you to wait for that before you
> consider any possible response of your own (assuming that you have seen the
> correspondence anyway?).
>
> Thanks
> Martin
>
> --
> Dr Martin R Manning
> *** NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: <REDACTED>@noaa.gov
> Director, IPCC WG I Support Unit Phone: <REDACTED>
> NOAA Aeronomy Laboratory Fax: <REDACTED>
> 325 Broadway, DSRC R/AL8
> Boulder, CO 80305, USA
---------------
Kevin E. Trenberth e-mail: <REDACTED>@ucar.edu
Climate Analysis Section, NCAR [1]www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/
P. O. Box 3000, Phone: <REDACTED>
Boulder, CO 80307 Fax: <REDACTED>
Street address: 1850 Table Mesa Drive, Boulder, CO 80303
*******************************
Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone <REDACTED>
School of Environmental Sciences Fax <REDACTED>
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email <REDACTED>@uea.ac.uk
NR4 7TJ
UK
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The problem with Truth is it keeps popping up everywhere!
Good graphic and I expect, unchallengable.
This pattern of behaviour is endemic, it seems. “I don’t like how you think, so you’re to be shat upon.”
Why do they seem to think that any opinion on the subject of the climate has to go through them first? Presumably to ensure its “on message”?
They obviously dont believe in having a sceptical or contrary opinion (one of the founding tenets of science) and simply think that everyone should agree with their continuing blinkered world viewpoints.
Its scandalous that these self proclaimed climate soothsayers should get so much attention and think they alone are entitled to it.
The revelations in these emails may not become widely known, as major media outlets are collaborators and actively control the message, but we will know.
Thanks, Anthony
Good post, but can you redact the email and ‘phone numbers from the last bit? I know they could easily be found if one looked for them, but don’t give the nutters (from both sides) ammunition.
Reply: Done ~ctm does a drive by
The references to “the Japanese” have me intrigued.
Here in Japan, NHK constantly plugs the AGW trope, much like the BBC in good old Blighty, and the ABC in Oz.
What is it with these publicly funded organizations?
“I am quickly becoming outraged by this and I hope it backfires on him!!!!” The sort of vindictive remark expected of a spoilt child, rather than from a world famous climate scientist. And what about four exclamation marks? This is really junior school stuff.
Is this really a surprise , Treberth views are fairly clear and match Mann;s well , only he and his views are right no matter what the facts, and beware anyone that crosses him. The pair of them are like school yard bullies throwing their weight around .
He really does give meaning to the first rule of climate science , ‘when the models and reality differ in value , its reality which is wrong ‘.
Fired for not having an open mind? Wow. If that were the case, my office building would be pretty empty.
You think Kevin would be happy with the opposite? To be fired for not having an open mind to the idea that global warming is having no effect on hurricanes?
They like to control who works in climate science. They like to control whose work gets published. They like to control who is editor of journals. They like to control the peer review process. They like to control what message gets out to the media. They like to control which journals will be successful. They like to control the data. They like to control the investigations into their malpractice. They like to control who gets funding, etc etc.
And they do this not by ‘nice’ politics, but by evil politics: character assassination, smears, trying to get people kicked out of their jobs, etc.
Please don’t try to tell me that this is just scientists doing their job. They are destroying the scientific enterprise. They are little better than a bunch of criminals.
You are obviously not in their ‘gang’. What a childish closed minded bunch of yobs.
I haven’t forgotten Trenberth is seriously implicated eg here (note all 3 posts of mine!), in suppressing McKittrick etc on UHI in the IPCC report, as well as Landsea.
Re-reading my own words and links (above!) makes me wonder, since people shout when they feel insecure, is there actually serious reason to doubt Trenberth’s magnum opus, the famous radiative transfers diagram? Did Trenberth himself have suppressed doubts?
I have heard and seen accusations of flat earthers being banded about for the chaps and chapesses of the skeptical point of view.
During our civil war we had a Witch Finder General, absolute nutter, Trenberth sound like he would fit the bill for the modern date general, with Jonesey backing him up hunting and burning flat earthers.
Nothing changes only the actors.
MIME decoding to FOIA emails.
Absurd sample, politics as usual.
Kevin writes “I am quickly becoming outraged by this and I hope it backfires on him!!!!”
Oh, the irony.
“I think he has behaved irresponsibly and ought to be fired by NOAA for not have an open enough mind to even consider that climate change might be affecting hurricanes.”
Perhaps he had ‘Jeremy Clarkson’ moment? Though being fired and being shot are not quite the same thing:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-24016273-strikers-should-be-shot—clarkson.do
And would the BBC apologise for aiding and abetting ‘The Cause’?
‘…not have an open enough mind…’
Ahhh, I must not have understood what an open mind really was.
Wonder if Grant Foster could help me out?
Why is anyone surprised? These people are not scientists and are poor examples of the human species.
As for fewer hurricanes in a warming world maybe there are fewer hurricanes in a cooling world. The temps have been so bastardised it’s possible the world has been cooling all this time. It is just as likely as CO2 causing catastrophes.
“I am quickly becoming outraged by this and I hope it backfires on him!!!!”
http://www.sadtrombone.com/
“… for not have an open enough mind to even consider that climate change might be affecting
hurricanes.”
Yep. Fire the guy.
FOIA unreadable data is not crypted, its´only MIME format, and is easily converted back
to TXT mode.
i´took a sample, where Mike Hulme writes that only reason is to curb emissions,
politics as usual.
http://www.motobit.com/util/base64-decoder-encoder.asp
My pc systems are under firing, i cant´ send visual description.
Without a similiar pattern of behaviour elsewhere, this would simply be an innocent off-the-cuff comment. However, it is hard to believe that considering some other emails that have been seen, even if Dr Trenbath seems not to have had any support from Professor Jones on this suggestion (note that it was tactfully ignored – which could be read as thinking the suggestion was pointless/unworkable or simply as Professor Jones reading this as an expression of frustration).
On its own not particularly bad. In conjunction with other emails, it paints a picture.
Amazing for Trenbert to talk of “open minds” seem to remember that the Team’s lack of open minds on the role of oceans and the sun,this is not science..it’s a religion with a lage dose of propaganda thrown in
The ugly intolerance is “Dr.” Kevin Treberth’s rejection of real world data. Seems the truth means nothing to the religion of these “scientists”.