This is Hilarious. When the going gets tough, the occupiers get going! Wild eyed climate svengali Bill McKibben claims the “atmosphere is occupied”, and that’s why we have global warming.
Only one problem, when the atmosphere gets too cold, people bail from the tents and head home. The Infrared camera video footage shot by the Telegraph reveals a lot of tents are missing bodies at night.
What a bunch of wimps! Why, in the 60’s their parents protested in waist deep snow, carrying signs, and the protest march was uphill both ways!
Or maybe they brought in some polar bears to help them “experience and be one with nature” more fully and that’s why people are missing?
Here’s the story from the Telegraph:
Only one in 10 St Paul’s protesters stay overnight
Just one in 10 of the tents at the Occupy London Stock Exchange camp which has closed St Paul’s Cathedral are occupied at night, it can be revealed.
The camp forced St Paul’s to close for the first time since the Blitz and is costing local businesses thousands of pounds a day.
But most of the protesters are heading home to sleep in their own beds at night.
Infra red images taken by a police helicopter during the early hours show that only around 20 of the 200 tents on the encampment actually have people staying in them.
The Daily Telegraph has shot its own video of the St Paul’s camp using thermal imaging equipment which appears to confirm these claims.
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On Monday the revelation was described as a “charade” and pressure was growing on the church and other authorities to evict the camp.
“It is like a phantom camp – a big charade,” said Matthew Richardson, a Corporation of London councillor, who is calling for action to be taken.
“It just shows that most of the people don’t have the courage of their convictions and are here just to make trouble and leaving your tent here overnight is a good way to do that.”
Full story and the video here
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Perhaps the following will ‘speak for itself’ :
In Dallas a few days ago (the 24th, Monday) now.
Note particularly 0:20 and 0:42 points; where was the rational urging, the dialogue about ‘withdrawing bank funds and putting then into a credit union’?
I wonder if this ‘action’ was discussed coolly and calmly in a GA (General Assembly) previously (GA discussions can get quite involved at times. I also note that the Dallas OWS group has ceased both live streaming video or posting video of GAs entirely …)
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So, some fat ass gas bag who can’t even get tomorrow’s forecast right is now some sort of expert on economic injustice?
Anthony should stick to something he knows–nothing!
STFU Anthony.
REPLY: This comes courtesy of a local occupier who personifies everything this movement is all about in the comment. above. Terry, it got down to 36F last night in Chico. Did you sleep at City Plaza or did you go home to a nice warm bed? Inquiring minds want to know. BTW I have an IR camera, so I’ll be doing spot checks thanks to your kind encouragement – Anthony
luismanueldias says:
October 26, 2011 at 3:06 am
You hate the government yet get from A to B using public built roads.
The public built the roads by supplying the $$. Politicians spending hundreds of millions of dollars to win a job that pays hundreds of thousands. Have you ever asked yourself why?
The friends of the government get inside information of where the money will be spent, so that they can invest ahead of time for maximum advantage. The real money to be made is not from what a politician is paid, but from controlling how the public $$ is spent.
Alan the Brit says @ur momisugly 7:33 am
“ Hi there , folks, it’s only me. I was just wondering which government form I have to sign to get loads of dosh doled out to me … “
I don’t know of government forms but wind-farm developers are paying good money for activists:
http://www.windbyte.co.uk/tricks.html
From the link:
” Suspicions were further raised by reports of Yorkshire activists overheard discussing computer hacking and sabotage on a train to Berwick and the same group being spotted at a hotel in the town.
The role of the bald man in the beanie was soon revealed by the gossip of a naive member of the secretive ‘Moorsyde’ support group, after the meeting. He was revealed to be a former Greenpeace organiser from East Yorkshire called Richard Claxton, working under cover for Your Energy. “
luismanueldias says:
October 26, 2011 at 2:16 am
So unless these people die in the shilling night, you will declare them chickenshits?
At 53.8 degrees f (12c) one would have to be very unhealthy to die, which is Anthony’s point on this. In the Telegraph article, the protesters admit that “But most of the protesters are heading home to sleep in their own beds at night.” and “The protesters are aware of the vacancies and allocate empty tents to newcomers and anyone staying for the day. ”
“A sign on one of the tents said: “All day, all week, we’ll sleep on London’s freezing streets. Solidarity.” Unfortunately, it would appear that 53.8 degrees.
“St Paul’s losing £20,000 a day? Wow that’s ….. big business.”
The OL protesters contacted Health & Safety to find out what they were doing to cause St. Paul’s to close. H&S said they had done nothing to have caused St. Paul’s to close. Meanwhile, tourists are happily mingling with the protesters, many sympathising with their grievances.
“I was just wondering which government form I have to sign to get loads of dosh doled out to me so that I do not have to worry about paying my taxes, household bills, etc, & spend weeks protesting about whatever you want me to protest about.”
You should ask the One-Percenter Occupy Occupy London guys to find out how their accountants about it with tax loopholes and get to pay less tax than their house cleaners.
As Margie in “Fargo” would say (and as doug s alluded to at 7:08am),
“I’m not sure I agree with you a hundred percent on your police work, there, Lou”
You cannot compare the heat signature of someone standing outside to the heat signature of someone inside a tent nestled in a sleeping bag or under covers. Recall Arnold in “Predator”…
Not saying for sure there are folks inside, but it would be good to see what a heat signature of someone bundled up in a tent looks like before stating they are empty as fact.
Presenting raw and uncut, events, data, ‘things’ in their original form for all to see and evaluate for themselves?
Alrighty then:
Video of event from the same day as the video above (Oct 24th, Monday, as “Dallas Occupy” blocked the Chase bank entrance), but a little earlier before ‘protesters’ sat down and locked arms, precipitating a call to the local gendarmes for relief.
Note the calm, rational demeanor of the protesters as they carefully laid out the reasons why depositors should withdraw their funds from that institution (Chase) and instead make use of the services offered by a local credit union.
Or maybe not …
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When ever I see articles, news clips on these guys all I can think of is the scene in Taladaga Nights where the little kids are running around with a hose screaming ” Anarchy, Anarchy ” . Makes me laugh 🙂
How to strike a sensitive nerve of the left, Watts just did.
St Paul’s Cathedral was still covered with black soot from adjacent burning buildings and all that was visible of the buildings across the street was the holes that used to be the basements and some walls only partially standing ten years after WWII. The average person in the UK had very little in income or luxury items. The population was recovering from the hardships of a devastating war to preserve their freedom from socialism and after the war they had survived the attempts of communism to dominate their lives. Now these protesters would throw away their freedom for socialism based on political propaganda.
These malcontents should think about what life was like before the corporations which would be before the typewriter and carbon paper that made it possible for small companies to become corporations and to grow and produce the jobs and items they desire so much including the tents they use as props. That would of course be in the late 1800s when life was shorter and very hard and when it was wise to watch that you don’t step into horse manure.
It is easy to believe these protestors have no idea of what they are supporting and the consequences they will face if they succeed.
And of course in the States, ACORN is involved up to their eyeballs.
The former New York office for ACORN, the disbanded community activist group, is playing a key role in the self-proclaimed “leaderless” Occupy Wall Street movement, organizing “guerrilla” protest events and hiring door-to-door canvassers to collect money under the banner of various causes while spending it on protest-related activities, sources tell FoxNews.com.
The former director of New York ACORN, Jon Kest, and his top aides are now busy working at protest events for New York Communities for Change (NYCC). That organization was created in late 2009 when some ACORN offices disbanded and reorganized under new names after undercover video exposes prompted Congress to cut off federal funds.
NYCC’s connection to ACORN isn’t a tenuous one: It works from the former ACORN offices in Brooklyn, uses old ACORN office stationery, employs much of the old ACORN staff and, according to several sources, engages in some of the old organization’s controversial techniques to raise money, interest and awareness for the protests.
Sources said NYCC has hired about 100 former ACORN-affiliated staff members from other cities – paying some of them $100 a day – to attend and support Occupy Wall Street. Dozens of New York homeless people recruited from shelters are also being paid to support the protests, at the rate of $10 an hour, the sources said.
At least some of those hired are being used as door-to-door canvassers to collect money that’s used to support the protests.
Sources said cash donations collected by NYCC on behalf of some unions and various causes are being pooled and spent on Occupy Wall Street. The money is used to buy supplies, pay staff and cover travel expenses for the ex-ACORN members brought to New York for the protests.
In one such case, sources said, NYCC staff members collected cash donations for what they were told was a United Federation of Teachers fundraising drive, but the money was diverted to the protests.
Sources who participated in the teachers union campaign said NYCC supervisors gave them the addresses of union members and told them to go knock on their doors and ask for contributions—and did not mention that the money would go toward Occupy Wall Street expenses. One source said the campaign raked in about $5,000.
Current staff members at NYCC told FoxNews.com the union fundraising drive was called off abruptly last week, and they were told NYCC should not have been raising money for the union at all.
Sources said staff members also collected door-to-door for NYCC’s PCB campaign — which aims to test schools for deadly toxins —but then pooled that money together with cash raised for the teachers union and other campaigns to fund Occupy Wall Street.
“We go to Freeport, Central Islip, Park Slope, everywhere, and we say we’re collecting money for PCBs testing in schools. But the money isn’t going to the campaign,” one source said.
“It’s going to Occupy Wall Street, and we’re not using that money to get schools tested for deadly chemicals or to make their kids safer. It’s just going to the protests, and that’s just so terrible.”
A spokesman for the United Federation of Teachers told FoxNews.com, “The UFT is not involved in any NYCC fundraising on the PCB issue.”
Multiple sources said NYCC is also using cash donations through canvassing efforts in New York’s Harlem and Washington Heights neighborhoods for union-backed campaigns to fund the Wall Street protests.
“All the money collected from canvasses is pooled together back at the office, and everything we’ve been working on for the last year is going to the protests, against big banks and to pay people’s salaries—and those people on salary are, of course, being paid to go to the protests every day,” one NYCC staff member told FoxNews.com.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/26/exclusive-acorn-playing-behind-scenes-role-in-occupy-movement/#ixzz1btzr3VLq
Gareth:
Anthony: site owner
You: leftie Warmist visitor
See the difference?
Garethman
Thank you Brian for your accurate observation.
Anthony as you say owns the site, and can do as he wishes. But he has a history of being somewhat fairer in moderating debates ( hence my comments) when reviewing comments from both the left and right. On this site, you are correct, I am seen as a a lefty warmist. On other sites I am a seen as a right wing denier of the holy truth. As a result I suspect I may have beliefs which fit in with many others who do not belong to either fringe. My philosophy is that in blaming the inaccuracies in climate change on left wing politics we are missing a major factor. And that is while there is money to be made from radical and inaccurate theories and models, it is the financiers and bankers who will win as usual leaving the rest of us out in the cold. While we howl about left wing politics driving poor science we are missing the plot, it’s not the old hippies, lefties and greenies who benefit, it is politicians like those in the Maldives and the financiers who trouser the cash. They are the ones with the fingers in the pie, they are the ones who have most to gain.
I know my points will not make any difference to the tea party gun totin’ right wing enthusiasts on this site. But until we recognise that the climate change scam is a classic capitalist initiative, we are doomed to chase wild geese and devour red herrings. In Capitalist terms. “We made a fortune from trashing their environment, we can make another fortune from telling them to clear it up! Big drinks all round! ( possibly an Old Pultney)
OCCUPIER says:
October 26, 2011 at 7:50 am
Nice comeback! That Anthony one, he’s a real “…some fat ass gas bag who can’t even get tomorrow’s forecast right is now some sort of expert on economic injustice?
Anthony should stick to something”
LET’S GET HIM (we shall start by …) /jk
“This comes courtesy of a local occupier who personifies everything this movement is all about in the comment”
Hows that? Is this poster: a) Confirmed as one of the OWS movement b)an official spokesperson representing every participants attitude
If the IR photography turns out to be misleading, will WUWT be following the spirit of honesty and openness in making an update confirming the truth.
WUWT is very much a protest site, you should embrace your fellow protesters 🙂
Too much “Kill the messenger, ignore the message” here. I think there’s plenty of blame to go around for our current economic distress, including Americans’ “I want it right now” attitudes of the last decade or so. I love capitalism as much as the next American, and all the trappings that go with it. But I also respect responsibility, a level playing field, and ethical behavior, and you have to have your head in the sand not to recognize the trashing of those three tenants by Wall Street honchos. Who cares if a good number of the protesters are hippies, unemployed, professional protesters, etc.? I’m pretty confident there’s a decent number of protesters who feel very strongly about the lack of ethics within the banking community (and I’m not just talking about loose requirements for home loans). The message is getting out: banking reform is necessary in order for capitalism to thrive for as many people as possible and not just a few manipulative, soulless operatives. I’m not for “spreading the wealth” by governmental edict – I just want equitable practices and practitioners. As for ripping “truths” (for lack of a better word) based on lifestyle, political bent, height, lack of humor: WHO CARES?!!! That’s for other websites. Does it matter what Anthony Watts’ mustache looks like? Does it matter how tall Gavin Schmidt is? Does Sir Monckton’s bulging eyes or title matter at all? Stick to the message. It’s beneath the science of this website and subsequent replies to focus on the personal hygiene of the left and the self-righteous indignation of the right: both have their faults so let’s just stick to the facts, or as close to facts as we can get.
Ask why is it so? says:
October 26, 2011 at 6:15 am
The same protest happened here in Melbourne (Australia) and the police finally forced them to leave. They were protesting about companies that make too much money as they talked on their iphones, listened to their ipods and sent emails on their ipads while eating Mcdonalds. Its simple,
if you don’t want the big greedy company to have your money don’t buy their products.
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Those were probably handouts from the government that they got from scientific grants etc… Or Welfare because its their right to take what they have not toiled for…. the irony of these liberals is astounding…
Unions backing and organizing….
ACORN helping….
Obama funding….
Obama is the biggest danger to this country right next to people’s ignorance of our Constitution.. the fact that our founding father knew when a populace figures out they could vote themselves a raise on the backs of others would be the countries undoing speaks volumes about their ability to see the future… Democrats and Obama are using Class envy and greed to divide us an destroy america… Occupy is another word for dictatorship…. Useful idiots are disposed of at the very first once their usefulness is done… Stalin, Mao, and Hitler are historical proof..
Jim et al:
I think you will find that many of the protesters are well educated and currently in work. It is a convenient and lazy approach to focus on those with piercings and tattoos and dismiss them as the drop outs. Most sensible reporting is based on fact, not generalisations. Judging books by their covers? I’m sure as with any group, there are those who tag a long. Select media clippings are hardly representative of the broader activities going on within these protests. You may be familiar with the saying” A little knowledge is a dangerous thing”.
Maybe you do not understand what is being depicted in these videos, or maybe you do not understand how thermal (camera) imagery works, or maybe you do not understand the ‘thermal environment’ * of a tent when it is ‘occupied’ versus not occupied (interior temperature), or maybe you do not understand that the ‘source’ of heat energy which illuminates these tents from inside is a live human being possessing a normal core temperature of 37.0 deg C and a typical skin temperature of 32 to 34 deg C, or maybe you do not understand the human exhalation process, particularly the thermal energy content of same, and how that may serve to raise the temperature of a tent, such that the temperature rise might be noted by a suitable thermal imaging camera?
Can you come forth with more detail as to where the confusion lay?
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* Tent temperatures
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T.Hill says:
October 26, 2011 at 8:59 am
Are you saying that these people are astro turff and just looking out for their own self interests?
Pull My Finger, you’re not quite right on a few details there…
First, I spent several years working for Best Buy/Future Shop doing new stores and store maintenance, traveling all over the country. I’m the guy that installed and wired the car audio displays and put the HDTV wiring through the store, etc.
Lowes and Home Depot don’t open stores next to each other in an attempt to “put the other out of business”, not even close. Ever wonder why every city and town has clusters of the exact same stores? Pier 1, Bed/Bath/Beyond, Michaels, Best Buy, Home Depot, etc? If they were all trying to compete, why would they keep building in clusters?
Before I actually watched this stuff in action I used to think the same way. But the reality is, if you have a Best Buy sitting there doing business and open a Future Shop a block away, the Best Buy actually GAINS business! The same works for a Home Depot and a Lowes, or a McDonalds/Wendys/Burger King/A&W grouping. The more the merrier, and we don’t need to know all of the reasons why… It just works!
And about building human capital: measure the quality of an employer by staff turnover rates. WalMart has very low turnover, which indicates that people working there are actually happier with their situation. It’s relative. I wouldn’t do it because I’ve gotten used to a responsible IT position with great benefits, but if my choice was to go back to retail or live in the street, I’d be looking for something like WalMart or Costco. I’d rather see an employer give more people their chance than choose a tiny few and give them all the benefits and frills that most of them will never actually appreciate.
By the way, how many “hulking structures with acres of impermiable and usless asphalt” are really out there? More likely where there are any, it’s the city/town/state that has failed miserably, not the retailers.
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I have already spent waaaaaaay too much time on the various OWS boards (wanna see the chat logs I captured?) and the various livestream and Ustream feeds to take your ‘word’ on it. What you find, is, these ppl have been indoctrinated by the ‘schools’ and universities they have ‘attended’ in primarily the ‘liberal arts’ vein …
Remember: Indoctrination =/= education.
Classical mistake, Hill.
BTW, the name is “_Jim” as there is ambiguity to that moniker w/o the underscore …
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Okay, when I first saw the pictures my thought was that the tents were blocking the IR from the camera, but after watching the video, even though two layers, you can still faintly see people’s limbs when they walk behind the tent.
The overall view shows most of the tents being absolutely cold, while a few are dimly radiating heat to indicate their occupancy or recent occupancy.
Everyone should read and reflect on Jeff Fujita’s post above, which I believe offers a balanced view and one that I certainly agree with. It amuses me how quickly people label each other as either “left” or “right” wing. It’s quite sad really.
Is it possible the people inside the tents are bundled up enough so they aren’t being picked up by the IR camera?