The Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project puts PR before peer review

UPDATE: see this new story

BEST: What I agree with and what I disagree with – plus a call for additional transparency to prevent “pal” review

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Readers may recall this post last week where I complained about being put in a uncomfortable quandary by an author of a new paper. Despite that, I chose to honor the confidentiality request of the author Dr. Richard Muller, even though I knew that behind the scenes, they were planning a media blitz to MSM outlets. In the past few days I have been contacted by James Astill of the Economist, Ian Sample of the Guardian, and Leslie Kaufman of the New York Times. They have all contacted me regarding the release of papers from BEST today.

There’s only one problem: Not one of the BEST papers have completed peer review.

Nor has one has been published in a journal to my knowledge, nor is the one paper I’ve been asked to comment on in press at JGR, (where I was told it was submitted) yet BEST is making a “pre-peer review” media blitz.

One willing participant to this blitz, that I spent the last week corresponding with, is James Astill of The Economist, who presumably wrote the article below, but we can’t be sure since the Economist has not the integrity to put author names to articles:

The full article is here. Apparently, Astill has never heard of the UAH and RSS Global Temperature records, nor does he apparently know that all the surface temperature records come from one source, NCDC.

Now compare that headline and subtitle to this line in the article:

It will be interesting to see whether this makes it past the review process.

And, The Economist still doesn’t get it. The issue of “the world is warming” is not one that climate skeptics question, it is the magnitude and causes.

I was given a pre-release draft copy of one of the papers, related to my work as a courtesy. It contained several errors, some minor (such as getting the name of our paper wrong i.e. Fell et al in several places, plus a title that implied global rather than USA) some major enough to require revision (incorrect time period comparisons).

I made these errors known to all the players, including the journal editor, and the hapless Astill, who despite such concerns went ahead with BEST’s plan for a media blitz anyway. I was told by a BEST spokesperson that all of this was “coordinated to happen on October 20th”.

My response, penned days ago, went unheeded as far as I can tell, because I’ve received no response from Muller or the Journal author. Apparently, PR trumps the scientific process now, no need to do that pesky peer review, no need to address the errors with those you ask for comments prior to publication, just get it to press.

This is sad, because I had very high hopes for this project as the methodology is looked very promising to get a better handle on station discontinuity issues with their “scalpel” method. Now it looks just like another rush to judgement, peer review be damned.

Below is my response along with the draft paper from BEST, since the cat is publicly out of the bag now, I am not bound by any confidentiality requests. Readers should note I have not seen any other papers (there may be up to 4, I don’t know the BEST website is down right now) except the one that concerns me.

My response as sent to all media outlets who sent requests for comment to me:

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In contradiction to normal scientific method and protocol, I have been asked to provide public commentary to a mass media outlet (The Economist) on this new paper. The lead author,  Dr. Richard Muller has released me from a previous request of confidentiality on the matter in a written communication on 10/14/2011. 10/15/2011 at 4:07PM PST in an email.  The paper in question is:

Earth Atmospheric Land Surface Temperature and  Station Quality [Tentative title, may have changed] by Muller et al 2011, submitted to the AGU JGR Atmospheres Journal, which apparently has neither completed peer review on the paper nor has it been accepted for publication by JGR.

Since the paper has not completed peer review yet, it would be inappropriate for me to publicly comment on the conclusions, especially in light of a basic procedural error that has been discovered in the methodology that will likely require a rework of the data and calculations, and thus the conclusions may also change. The methodology however does require comment.

The problem has to do with the time period of the data used, a time period which is inconsistent with two prior papers cited as this Muller et al paper being in agreement with. They are:

Fall et al (2011), Analysis of the impacts of station exposure on the U.S. Historical Climatology Network temperatures and temperature trends J. Geophys. Res.

http://pielkeclimatesci.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/r-367.pdf

and

Menne et al  (2010), On the reliability of the U.S. surface temperature record, J. Geophys. Res.

Both papers listed above (and cited by Muller et al) do an analysis over a thirty year time period while the Muller et al paper uses data for comparison from 1950 – 2010 as stated on lines 142-143:

“We calculated the mean temperature from 1950 to the present for each of these sites, and subtracted the mean of the poor sites from the OK sites.”

I see this as a basic failure in understanding the limitations of the siting survey we conducted on the USHCN, rendering the Muller et al paper conclusions highly uncertain, if not erroneous.

There is simply no way siting quality can be established as static for that long. The USHCN survey was based on photographs and site surveys starting in of 2007, plus historical metadata. Since the siting of COOP stations change as volunteers move, die, or discontinue their service, we know the record of siting stability to be tenuous over time. This is why we tracked only from 1979 and excluded stations whose locations were unknown prior to 2002. 1979 represented the practical limit of which we assumed we could reasonably ascertain siting conditions by our survey.

We felt that the further back the station siting changes occurred, the more uncertainty was introduced into the analysis, thus we limited meaningful comparisons of temperature data to siting quality to thirty years, starting in 1979.

Our ratings from surfacestations.org are assumed to be valid for the 1979 – 2008 period, but with Muller et all doing analysis from 1950, it renders the station survey data moot since neither Menne et al nor Fall et al made any claim of the station survey data being representative prior to 1979. The comparisons made in Muller et al are inappropriate because they are outside of the bounds of our station siting quality data set.

Also, by using a 60 year period, Muller et al spans two 30 year climate normals periods, thus further complicating the analysis. Both Menne et al and Fall et al spanned only one.

Because of the long time periods involved in Muller et al analysis, and because both Menne et al and Fall et al made no claims of knowing anything about siting quality prior to 1979, I consider the paper fatally flawed as it now stands, and thus I recommend it be removed from publication consideration by JGR until such time that it can be reworked.

For me to comment on the conclusions of Muller et al would be inappropriate until this time period error is corrected and the analysis reworked for time scale appropriate comparisons.

The Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature analysis methodology is new, and may yield some new and potentially important results on siting effects once the appropriate time period comparisons are made. I welcome the BEST effort provided that appropriate time periods are used that match our work. But, by using time period mismatched comparisons, it becomes clear that the Muller et al paper in its current form lost the opportunity for a meaningful comparison.

As I was invited by The Economist to comment publicly, I would recommend rejecting Muller et al in the current form and suggest that it be resubmitted with meaningful and appropriate 30 year comparisons for the same time periods used by the Menne et al and Fall et al cited papers. I would be happy to review the paper again at that time.

I also believe it would be premature and inappropriate to have a news article highlighting the conclusions of this paper until such time meaningful data comparisons are produced and the paper passes peer review. Given the new techniques from BEST, there may be much to gain from a rework of the analysis limited to identical thirty year periods used in Menne et al and Fall et al.

Thank you for your consideration, I hope that the information I have provided will be helpful in determining the best course of action on this paper.

Best Regards,

Anthony Watts

cc list: James Astill, The Economist, Dr. Joost DeGouw, JGR Atmospheres editor, Richard A. Muller, Leslie Kaufman, Ian Sample

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Despite my concerns, The Economist author James Astill told me that “the issue is important” and decided to forge ahead, and presumably produced the article above.

Here is the copy of the paper I was provided by Richard Muller. I don’t know if they have addressed my concerns or not, since I was not given any follow up drafts of the paper.

BEST_Station_Quality (PDF 1.2 MB)

I assume the journalists that are part of the media blitz have the same copy.

I urge readers to read it in entirety and to comment on it, because as Dr. Muller wrote to me:

I know that is prior to acceptance, but in the tradition that I grew up in (under Nobel Laureate Luis Alvarez) we always widely distributed “preprints” of papers prior to their publication or even submission.  That guaranteed a much wider peer review than we obtained from mere referees.

Please keep it confidential until we post it ourselves.

They want it widely reviewed. Now that The Economist has published on it, it is public knowledge.

There might be useful and interesting work here done by BEST, but I find it troubling that they can’t wait for science to do its work and run the peer review process first. Is their work so important, so earth shattering, that they can’t be bothered to run the gauntlet like other scientists? This is post normal science at its absolute worst.

In my opinion, this is a very, very, bad move by BEST. I look forward to seeing what changes might be made in peer review should these papers be accepted and published.

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UPDATE: Judith Curry, who was co-author to some of these papers, has a post on it here

Also I know that I’ll be critcized for my position on this, since I said back in March that I would accept their findings whatever they were, but that was when I expected them to do science per the scientific process.

When BEST approached me, I was told they were doing science by the regular process, and that would include peer review. Now it appears they have circumvented the scientific process in favor of PR.

For those wishing to criticize me on that point, please note this caveat in my response above:

The Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature analysis methodology is new, and may yield some new and potentially important results on siting effects once the appropriate time period comparisons are made. I welcome the BEST effort provided that appropriate time periods are used that match our work. But, by using time period mismatched comparisons, it becomes clear that the Muller et al paper in its current form lost the opportunity for a meaningful comparison.

Given the new techniques from BEST, there may be much to gain from a rework of the analysis limited to identical thirty year periods used in Menne et al and Fall et al.

My issue has to do with the lost opportunity of finding something new, the findings may agree, or they may be different if run on the same time periods. I think it is a fair question to ask since my peer reviewed paper (Fall et al) and NOAA’s (Menne et al) paper both used 30 year periods.

If BEST can run their comparison on the 30 year period for which our data is valid, instead of 60 years, as stated before, I’ll be happy to accept the results, whatever they are. I’m only asking for the correct time period to be used. Normally things like this are addressed in peer review, but BEST has blown that chance by taking it public first before such things can be addressed.

As for the other papers supposedly being released today, I have not seen them, so I can’t comment on them. There may be good and useful work here, but it is a pity they could not wait for the scientific process to decide that.

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UPDATE2: 12:08 PM BEST has sent out their press release, below:

The Berkeley Earth team has completed the preliminary analysis of the land surface temperature records, and our findings are now available on the Berkeley Earth website, together with the data and our code at

www.BerkeleyEarth.org/resources.php.

Four scientific papers have been submitted to peer reviewed journals, covering the following topics:

1. Berkeley Earth Temperature Averaging Process

2. Influence of Urban Heating on the Global Temperature Land Average

3. Earth Atmospheric Land Surface Temperature and Station Quality in the United States

4. Decadal Variations in the Global Atmospheric Land Temperatures

By making our work accessible and transparent to both professional and amateur exploration, we hope to encourage feedback and further analysis of the data and our findings.  We encourage every substantive question and challenge to our work in order to enrich our understanding of global land temperature change, and we will attempt to address as many inquiries as possible.

If you have questions or reflections on this phase of our work, please contact, info@berkeleyearth.org.  We look forward to hearing from you.

All the best,

Elizabeth

Elizabeth Muller

Founder and Executive Director

Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature

www.berkeleyearth.org

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I’m still happy to accept the results, whatever they might be, all I’m asking for is an “apples to apples” comparison of data on the 30 year time period.

They have a new technique, why not try it out on the correct time period?

UPDATE4: Apparently BEST can’t be bothered to fix basic errors, even though I pointed them out, They can’t even get the name of our paper right:

http://berkeleyearth.org/Resources/Berkeley_Earth_Station_Quality

I sent an email over a week ago advising of the error in names, got a response, and they still have not fixed it, what sort of quality is this? Fell et all? right under figure 1

And repeated six times in the document they released today.

Sheesh. Why can’t they be troubled to fix basic errors? This is what peer review is for. Here’s my email from October 6th

—–Original Message—–
From: Anthony Watts- ItWorks
Date: Thursday, October 06, 2011 3:25 PM
To: Richard A Muller
Subject: Re: Our paper is attached
Dear Richard,
Thank you for the courtesy, correction:  Fell et al needs to be corrected to
Fall et al in several occurrences.
When we complete GHCN (which we are starting on now) we’ll have a greater
insight globally.
Best Regards,
Anthony Watts

Here is the reply I got from Dr. Muller

—–Original Message—–
From: Richard A Muller
Date: Friday, October 14, 2011 3:35 PM
To: Anthony Watts- ItWorks
Subject: Re: Our paper is attached
Anthony,
We sent a copy to only one media person, from The Economist, whom we trust to keep it confidential.  I sent a copy to you because I knew you would also keep it confidential.
I apologize for not having gotten back to you about your comments.  I particularly like your suggestion about the title; that is an improvement.
Rich
On Oct 14, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Anthony Watts- ItWorks wrote:
> Dear Richard,
>
> I sent a reply with some suggested corrections. But I have not heard back
> from you.
>
> Does the preprints peer review you speak of for this paper include sending
> copies to media?
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Anthony Watts

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UPDATE 5: The Guardian writer Ian Samples writes in this article:

The Berkeley Earth project has been attacked by some climate bloggers, who point out that one of the funders is linked to Koch Industries, a company Greenpeace called a “financial kingpin of climate science denial“.

Reader AK writes at Judth Curry’s blog:

I’ve just taken a quick look at the funding information for the BEST team, which is:

Funded through Novim, a 501(c)(3) corporation, the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature study has received a total of $623,087 in financial support.

Major Donors include:

– The Lee and Juliet Folger Fund ($20,000)

– William K. Bowes, Jr. Foundation ($100,000)

– Fund for Innovative Climate and Energy Research (created by Bill Gates) ($100,000)

– Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation ($150,000)

– The Ann & Gordon Getty Foundation ($50,000)

We have also received funding from a number of private individuals, totaling $14,500 as of June 2011.

In addition to donations:

This work was supported in part by the Director, Office of Science, of the U.S. Department of Energy under Contract No. DE-AC02-05CH11231 ($188,587)

So now (pending peer-review and publication) we have the interesting situation of a Koch institution, a left-wing boogy-man, funding an unbiased study that confirms the previous temperature estimates, “consistent with global land-surface warming results previously reported, but with reduced uncertainty.

The identities of the people involved with these two organizations can be found on their websites. Let the smirching begin.

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October 21, 2011 12:14 pm

Jeff Grantham says:
“Nor is their any assurance Tisdale’s addition is correct, unless they were peer-reviewed somewhere.”
A paper that has been peer reviewed is no guarantee of acuracy. Case in point: MBH98, which has been widely debunked as fraudulent. As is Mann’s original, alarming hokey stick chart, which the IPCC can no longer use because it has been debunked. As for Bob Tisdale, he makes a very solid case here. Argue with him if you have a problem.
You’re new here and arguing from ignorance. Do a search for “Tisdale” and get up to speed.
• • •
Junior says:
“We do have a quote though, don’t we?”
Yes. Get over it.

Jeff Grantham
Reply to  dbstealey
October 22, 2011 9:48 pm

Smokey commented:
A paper that has been peer reviewed is no guarantee of acuracy. Case in point, MBH98, which has been widely debunked as fraudulent.
MBH98 has not been proven fraudulent. On the contrary, several other groups have found essentially the same result, as has a completely different kind of analysis: Tingley and Hubers, J Climate 2010 (2 papers).

A. C. Osborn
October 21, 2011 12:14 pm

Anthony a poster on Climate Etc’s post on this subject has asked a question about data, I have reproduced for your consideration
JR | October 21, 2011 at 12:16 pm | Reply
I’m wondering if anyone has looked at the actual data yet – and I don’t mean with a meat grinder. In BEST, ID #141457 is listed as ‘BUFFALO GREATER BUFFALO INT’L’. There are data from 1873 to 2010 in the file ‘data.txt’. First, there was no Buffalo Int’l Airport in 1873, so either the data are mislocated or they are a combination of separate stations. I thought eliminating these problems was a feature of BEST. Second, for 1873, the 12 monthly values for temperature are:
12.782, 11.615, 12.295, 12.208, 11.568, 11.546, 11.403, 11.300, 10.938, 10.632, 7.576, 13.909
Besides being unrealistically warm, it seems unreasonable that January and December would be the warmest months of the year in Buffalo. I hope someone can point me to where I am misinterpreting the data.

October 21, 2011 12:19 pm

isodope,
You stated: “Most climate skeptics ABSOLUTELY question whether the world is warming…”
You are delusional.
And the rest of your mindless rant is just as delusional.

Martin_Lack
October 21, 2011 12:25 pm

To Smokey (and many others),
I was too hasty in posting my earleir comment. The situation is of course, as many others have now said, much more complicated than that: It seems to me that, in repeatedly claiming that the MBH98 Hockey Stick was a fraud – and of claiming that “Mike’s Nature trick [inconvenient words omitted by him to give the appearance of deceit on the part of UEA/CRU] …to hide the decline” – Muller must be assumed to have been either very stupid or deliberately deceitful himself.
I suppose therefore that we should be grateful that he has had the guts to admit his mistake (whichever one of the above it was), but it is a shame that he continues to claim that we could not be certain until now that the warming was taking place; and it is a shame that he is still not willing to climb down off the fence and say what is causing it (clearly even he dare not risk his remaining credibility by saying it is the Sun).
I hope we do not have to wait another five years for him to do that because, when it comes to exponentially growing CO2 emissions, that is 5 years we will never be able to get back (as it is cumulative emissions that count; and that will have predictable consequences within the next 50 years).

isotopes
October 21, 2011 12:35 pm

[snip]

aceandgary
October 21, 2011 12:39 pm

FleshNotMachine,Smokey, and Theo Goodwin
Keep doing those mental gymnastics guys, just don’t forget to wear a shiny foil hat when you submit something for review.

John from CA
October 21, 2011 1:00 pm

MSM accepts things at face value these days and rarely properly backgrounds the story.
The fact that they contacted you for comment is very encouraging.

October 21, 2011 1:04 pm

aceandgary,
Kindly do not put Theo and I in the same category as FNM. At least we make sense.

October 21, 2011 1:53 pm

Smokey….
That bogus chart I linked to is the full analysis by the BEST team. Look in the URL. See the berkelyearth.edu domain?
BTW, the chart you linked to (the trend line example) *is* highly bogus. A baseline is just a zero reference, it makes no difference to the actual trend. All that one needs is the [SNIP: You know better than that, RN -REP] /Nils-Axel Morner treatment of tipping the lower chart so that the trend line is horizontal to make it one of the most bogus charts ever produced.

October 21, 2011 2:21 pm

REP, I was just making a passing allusion to a rather famous post at the parody site [REPLY: Rattus, you’ll notice that we do not link to it. We’ll call it the “Blog That Must Not Be Named” and leave it at that. Your link is left intact. -REP]. What’s wrong with that?

October 21, 2011 2:24 pm

Norway rat,
Thank you for your baseless and inaccurate opinion. Here is another chart showing the same trend. Notice that warming is not accelerating. Quite the opposite.

October 21, 2011 3:08 pm

Smokey says:
October 21, 2011 at 12:19 pm
isodope,
You stated: “Most climate skeptics ABSOLUTELY question whether the world is warming…”
You are delusional.
And the rest of your mindless rant is just as delusional.

That is what the CAGW folks are told, Smokey.
Remember, they don’t think for themselves, they wait until someone tells them what to think.
The “most climate skeptics absolutely question whether the world is warming” statement would be equal to a skeptic saying “most CAGW supporting folks believe everything Al Gore says”.
Neither statement is correct.
But, based on what we hear from the CAGW crowd, way more of them actually believe the first statement than there are skeptics who believe the second statement.
Although, sadly, there are a lot of CAGW folks who do believe much of what Al Gore says, so maybe the statement comparison isn’t a good one?

kadaka (KD Knoebel)
October 21, 2011 3:14 pm

From David Ball on October 21, 2011 at 7:12 am:

I am not a doctor of any kind. Did not hear of the cancelation. Thank you.

Sorry, late night. It’s Dr. Tim Ball who might show up here.

Rob
October 21, 2011 3:39 pm

I’m confused.
[SNIP: If you want to continue to comment here, then watch your language. -REP]

kadaka (KD Knoebel)
October 21, 2011 4:03 pm

From Jeff Grantham on October 21, 2011 at 3:20 pm:

Tisdale’s image presents results as if they’re from a scientific paper when they’re not. That’s fraud.

As was clearly shown in that post by referencing Levitus et al 2009 when referencing the dataset that clearly refers to Levitus in the URL, that presents data including from 2011 that clearly could not have been in a 2009 paper.
Likewise any temperature graphs that similarly reference “Hansen 1998” or something like that while showing more current data, although done to indicate how the raw data was processed or a similar detail by referencing the paper, as Tisdale has done, are equally fraudulent.
I’m searching for a word that nicely describes your assertion, yet “pathetic” still fits best.

Rob
October 21, 2011 4:47 pm

[SNIP: If you want to continue to comment here, then watch your language. -REP]
Good Lord – are we sensitive here or what?
I take it, then, [REPLY: You take it absolutely right. Anthony’s house, Anthony’s rules. This is not your forum to say anything you please. If you want to be offensive, do it elsewhere. -REP]

sky
October 21, 2011 5:16 pm

The fact that the BEST website claims to have used 8 billion data records, rather than data points, speaks volumes about their Science/PR ratio.

barry
October 21, 2011 5:51 pm

BEST have provided their data, analysis programs and pre-released studies.
http://berkeleyearth.org/dataset.php
http://berkeleyearth.org/resources.php
1) There have been complaints upthread that BEST have not provided enough data/information to assess the validity of the work. What, precisely, is missing?
2) There have been complaints upthread that BEST did not run an analysis from 1979. Can this be done with the data/programs/described methodology they have provided? Has anyone even bothered to find out?

barry
October 21, 2011 5:55 pm

A question, probably best answered by Anthony….
Not having read every exchange on the BEST project, I am curious about the nature of the agreement to do an analysis from 1979. Is there a link that lays out what agreements were made? The narrative I’m getting here is that there is some kind of betrayal by Mueller and BEST of Anthony Watts by not running the analysis from 1979, and I’d really like to understand how that agreement came about – get the full story, and any verbatims. Links to such would be appreciated.

October 21, 2011 6:16 pm

barry,
I think the complaint now, as expressed by Mosher to the NYT, is that the code is in Matlab. Now there is an open source Matlab implementation called GNU Octave. The code may need some porting, depending of whether it used nested functions or not, but any competent programmer should be able to get it to work. Ciome on Mosher, you can do it!

October 21, 2011 7:26 pm

Someone upthread posted a question about the BEST data and Buffalo. Apparently they posted the incorrect datafile initially which represents TMax, which may explain the problems you noted. Download the correct dataset and see what you get.

October 21, 2011 8:24 pm

JohnWho and kadaka,
Jeff Grantham doesn’t even know how off-base he is, probably because he doesn’t understand the charts I posted. One specifically compared the UN/IPCC’s 3.25 sensitivity estimate [I know there are others, ranging from the ridiculous to the preposterous].
Probably the most amusing thing about Jeffy’s pseudo-knowledge is that he doesn’t understand that the null hypothesis falsifies the alternative hypothesis of CAGW. JohnWho got it exactly right: the kool aid drinkers in the alarmist contingent don’t think for themselves, they wait until someone tells them what to think. Grantham obviously swallows the IPCC’s story hook, line and sinker, as if they’re not deliberately alarming the population for money and political power.
As we can see from the large number of Jeff’s wild-eyed posts here, this information is getting to him. Everybody panic!!
Isn’t it a bitch when the planet itself falsifies your beliefs?☺

Jeff Grantham
Reply to  dbstealey
October 21, 2011 8:57 pm

Smokey commented
Jeff Grantham doesn’t even know how off-base he is, probably because he doesn’t understand the charts I posted. One specifically compared the UN/IPCC’s 3.25 sensitivity estimate [I know there are others, ranging from the ridiculous to the preposterous].
Is snark all you have? Can’t you simply respond to my questions?
How could anyone understand the charts you post when all you post are the charts? No links to methods or methodology…. And no answers to my specific questions about why the chart is misleadingly labeled.
Will you address that specific point?
The IPCC climate sensitivities I posted have a range of about 2-4 deg C for 2x CO2. How are any of those “ridiculous” or “preposterous?”
I have only asked reasonable questions. They do not deserve scorn or anything like what is in your replies. Can you address them or not? Bring your game.

Jeff Grantham
Reply to  dbstealey
October 21, 2011 9:05 pm

Smokey commented
JohnWho got it exactly right: the kool aid drinkers in the alarmist contingent don’t think for themselves, they wait until someone tells them what to think. Grantham obviously swallows the IPCC’s story hook, line and sinker, as if they’re not deliberately alarming the population for money and political power.
Oh, please. Clearly I have shown that I know how to think for myself. I have presented specific reasons and evidence, and given the logic behind them.
Can you address my specific points about the HARRY_READ_ME file and Tisdale’s plot or not? So far you have not. So far it seems to me you have clearly repeated Tisdale’s fraud, and until you address the specific points I have raised you will continue to be seen as such. Appealing to your buddies won’t get you out of this.

October 21, 2011 9:17 pm

Jeff Grantham asks:
“Is snark all you have? Can’t you simply respond to my questions?”
I have plenty of info, but if you look at your own comments, your complaints of snark are just projection. And as you can see, I can out-snark you every day of the week. Further, you never answered my question about your relation to Grantham the financial whiz and climate crackpot.
But to answer your question, I posted a chart by Bob Tisdale, who has written a number of articles here. You need to ask Bob about his charts, not me. I just post them for reference, and they are generally self-explanatory.
Keep in mind that there is more than one way to understand Bob’s chart, but you have chosen to make the presumption that it is ‘fraud.’ If you had read Bob Tisdale’s serious, well thought out and painstakingly researched articles posted on WUWT, you would see that you’re making false assumptions. I’m sure Bob can explain. But I’m not sure he’d want to after your name-calling.
As for the self-serving IPCC… Pf-f-f-ft.

Jeff Grantham
Reply to  dbstealey
October 21, 2011 9:28 pm

Smokey: you posted a Bob Tisdale chart as evidence for one of your claims.
This chart clearly references a 2009 paper, yet gives a plot for a time period after that. There is no doubt about this.
That is clearly invalid. How can you deny that?
More importantly, why did you use this chart as evidence? Did you not notice its logical inconsistency?
This is about you, not Bob Tisdale, and your ability to discern information and present an argument.

Jeff Grantham
Reply to  dbstealey
October 21, 2011 9:35 pm

Smokey commented:
Keep in mind that there is more than one way to understand Bob’s chart, and you have made the presumption that it is ‘fraud.’ If you had read Bob Tisdale’s serious, well thought out and painstakingly researched articles posted on WUWTyou would see that you’re making false assumptions. I’m sure Bob can explain. But I’m not sure he’d want to after your name-calling.
How can there be more than one way to understand a chart? If there is, how are readers supposed to know which is the right way?
The chart uses the word “anomaly.” How is that defined? You don’t say. Clearly it isn’t the usual definition, because the chart isn’t consistent with the paper and the usual definition of “anomaly.”
You’re the one making the argument. It’s not up to the reader to read everything else on the Web to understand it — it’s up to you to present an argument in its entirety. From what I’ve seen, you haven’t done this and, especially, have relied on a chart with an untrue label and a nonstandard definition of the word “anomaly.”
Science is about precision. Please start being precise.

Werner Brozek
October 21, 2011 10:59 pm

“John says:
October 21, 2011 at 9:08 am
At the end point, 2010, three of the records were between plus 0.85 and 0.95, but Berkeley was under 0.6.”
I noticed that too. But unless I am mistaken, this low point seems to be a 12 month average so the way I read it, the low point at “2010” is really the average value between July 1, 2009 and June 30, 2010 that is this low. And we need to keep in mind this is only land temperature and not global temperature. But despite these two items, there appears to be no way that the GISS people can expect the BEST records to back them up that 2010 was warmer than 1998. The difference between GISS and BEST for the years 1998 and 2010 is huge!

John Brookes
October 22, 2011 1:45 am

“Convincing said teenager that mum might be right for once was futile, hints and suggestion welcome.”
Well, your daughter has drawn the obvious conclusion. Climate scientists and her mum disagree – so mum is wrong. You might want to think what you could learn from your daughter….
BTW, I’m heartened to read that skeptics here don’t dispute that the earth’s atmosphere is warming. Some other (less enlightened) skeptics seem to think that there is doubt about the warming. Good to see that there is none of that here.