Picket protest planned for Mann

Elmer at Minnesotans for Global Warming writes in with this, so I’m passing it on:

Michael Mann the self proclaimed creator of the “Hockey Stick Chart” will be speaking at the Minneapolis Convention Center tomorrow afternoon. He will be discussing Climate Scientists in the Public Area: Who’s Got Our Backs?.

In honor of this historic visit there will be two chances to carry signs and welcome Dr. Mann to the Twin Cities.

What: Welcoming Committee Demonstration

Who: Concerned citizens, Minnesota Majority, Minnesota Free Market  Institute, Minnesotans for Global Warming

When: Wednesday, October 12th, 1:00-2:00 PM with a follow-up demonstration from 5:00-6:00 PM

Where: Sidewalk, North Side of Minneapolis Convention Center

Contact: Dan McGrath, 612-605-3303 ext. 703

http://www.globalclimatescam.com/2011/10/mann-to-complain-to-american-geological-society-in-minneapolis-wednesday/

http://mnfmi.org/2011/10/11/dr-michael-the-hockey-stick-mann-in-mpls-wednesday-oct-12-at-convention-center-join-us/

http://www.minnesotansforglobalwarming.com/m4gw/2011/10/michael-mann-is-coming-to-town.html

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115 thoughts on “Picket protest planned for Mann

  1. He loves attention , so the worse thing you can do is give him none , you know what his going to say and you know the ‘crowd’ inside will be AGW friendly and there is no chance of him beign challenged, otherwise he never turn up.
    In other words a total none-event .

  2. Who’s Got Our Backs?.
    Does that look like a threat to the people funding this whole lie?
    Cover my back or I am taking you with me?

  3. Ignoring him would be better.
    He can just turn to his peers and say look all these people are against me, they must be ‘anti-science’ ‘denier’ with fossil fuel sponsors sent out to smaerme..
    Thus any doubters in his immdeiate community will feel duty bound to defend ‘science’, rather than ask him questions, or actually talk to sceptics.

  4. Not enough time to grow a beard and not shave.
    Can’t show up without the hallmarks of the March on Wall Street Crowd.
    Of course then, the EVIL tactic of the NYPD to put up barrier ropes with SOAP attached, probably won’t work on the MFGW crowd, either.
    Max 🙂 (Said with a LOT of tounge in cheek.)

  5. Protesting against him is unfortunately going to make it easier for him to talk about his chosen topic of

    “Climate Scientists in the Public Area:
    Who’s Got Our Backs?”

    He’ll make the protest the focus of his presentation.

  6. If Benjamin Disraeli were alive he’d say “There are lies, damned lies…and Hockey Sticks”

  7. We need a big sign saying : “There is no creditable experiment proving the “greenhouse gas effect exists” Mann-made global warming is a fairy-tale made up by the Gorezillas.

  8. I will add my voice to the ‘Ignore him…’ and ‘Don’t embarrass the rest of us by acting stupid!’ calls. Please.

  9. I suggest – I SUGGEST
    Minnesotans for Global Warming – MINNESOTANS FOR GLOBAL WARMING
    start speaking like this – START SPEAKING LIKE THIS
    I know – I KNOW
    it’s pretty weird – IT’S PRETTY WEIRD
    it sounds psychotic – IT SOUNDS PSYCHOTIC
    or just plain Soviet – OR JUST PLAIN SOVIET
    However it might guarantee – HOWEVER IT MIGHT GUARANTEE
    a positive coverage by MSM – A POSITIVE COVERAGE BY MSM

  10. Michael Mann He Hides Declines
    The Hockey Stick? A Lie Defined
    or
    Michael Mann He Hides Declines
    The Hockey Stick = A Lie Defined

  11. Minneapolis forecast for Wed is daytime temps between 65-70, with 70% chance of rain or T-storms. ….. If Al Gore decides to show up at the last minute, dress warmer.
    I might suggest for those who do plan on being there…a few placards pointing out that “NO ONE is funding this protest”, “NO ONE has OUR backs”, and “TRUTH has the back of SCIENCE”, or….”SCIENCE doesn’t need clever tricks”….or “SCIENCE doesn’t need to hide a decline”

  12. I’m aware that many of us do not agree with Dr.Mann’s work, but how would we feel if a protest was organised against Anthony at a speaking engagement? Would we feel dissent was being suppressed? Free speech is critical, the right to protest is critical. If we feel this protest against Dr Mann is OK, we must also support the right of the protesters in Wall street and and protests aimed at ideas we believe in.

  13. Ignore him….
    Is it too early to pray for snow??? Maybe Al Gore will show up too.
    Twin Cities
    Earliest 1 inch snowfall (season) (From 1891-2005)
    ——————————–
    1.) Sep 26, 1942
    2.) Oct 10, 1977
    3.) Oct 12, 1959
    4.) Oct 12, 1969
    5.) Oct 18, 1925
    6.) Oct 18, 1976
    7.) Oct 19, 1916
    8.) Oct 23, 1938
    9.) Oct 25, 1905
    10.) Oct 27, 1919
    http://climate.umn.edu/doc/twin_cities/snowcovmsp.htm

  14. Elmer, please have your boom box blaring out the backround music you guys produce it is great. Hopefully the weather will cooperate and it will be unseasonably cold. 🙂

  15. I agree we shouldn’t do anything to embarrass ourselves but ignoring people like Mann is not a good idea. What we need to do is make a big deal about the fact he hasn’t gone toe to toe with those he disagrees with we need to make sure those going to listen to him understand he refuses to defend his position publicly and ask them if they can explain why Mann is afraid to mix it up with us. What is he afraid of?

  16. This is ridiculous. This site is Best Science Blog? Imagine how all of you would react if Real Climate was distributing information about a protest ahead of Steve McIntyre’s speach somewhere… I enjoy this site and visit regularly, but this post is crowd behaviour at its worst. Oh, I get it, it’s funny… well, it’s supposed to be, but it’s not.

  17. “Who’s got our backs?”
    Every government in the world, every church in the world, every university in the world, 90% of the major corporations, all the investment banks and insurance companies, 90% of the mass media.
    He has vastly more support than any religion, ideology or movement in all of history.
    And still he wants MORE.
    What an egregious monster.

  18. I’m going to add my voice to those asking for restraint. Call him out, sure — in print. Push him for a public debate. But a placard protest? I can already see the news reports: Mann talking about the organised attacks on climate scientists while video footage is shown of crowds protesting a climate scientist. Doesn’t sound productive to me.

  19. Peter, my friend…
    It’s “speech”, not “speach”.
    And “all of us” wouldn’t react to anything Real Climate distributes, because most of us never read ideological propaganda blogs.
    Michael Mann is a con man and deserves a hefty prison term.
    Lacking that, any amount of ridicule is justified.

  20. Gareth Phillips says:
    October 11, 2011 at 2:43 pm
    The warmers might do the same thing to Anthony.
    Gareth do you really think they don’t? Anthony has one old biddy who follows him into his office demanding to know how much money he gets from Exxon.
    Anyhow I hope Elmer’s friend, the Micheal Mann doppleganger meets the real deal in a hallway.
    Maybe the Mann and Anti-Mann will touch fingers and the universe will implode or something.

  21. I think that he should be ignored. He will be preaching to the choir. Who would such a protest influence? Also, with the silliness still going on down on Wall Street, folks may react negatively to yet another protest. The Mann man is irrelevant. Let’s not make him appear to be otherwise.

  22. Anthony. I recommend ignoring him as others suggested. Any visible protest only supports his agenda and supports a media circus. A protest there potentially garners him media attention that ripples globally for the next week. Recommend that they call off the protest and send an email to the media to the effect that they decided that he was not worth the time. Michael Mann who?

  23. Well thanks to the likes of Mann, where Prime Minister Gillard has constantly quoted that “the science is in” Australia this morning has just had carbon tax legislation passed !

  24. Well thanks to the likes of Mann, where Prime Minister Gillard has constantly quoted that “the science is in” Australia this morning has just had carbon tax legislation passed in the the house of representatives!

  25. “Red noise in…
    hockey stick out.”
    But the best sign of all would be just plain ol’
    “Minnesotans for Global Warming”
    Accompanying chant would be
    “What do we want?”
    “GLOBAL WARMING!”
    “When do we want it?”
    “NOW!”
    My $0.02, and I probably owe you some change.

  26. You guys really think that protesting at the Geological Society of America’s annual meeting is going to make people take you seriously? The professional Earth Science community already thinks you’re uneducated bozo’s, and this will confirm their suspicions.

  27. Why would a scientist need someone to “have his back?” If he has the facts, he doesn’t need anything else.

  28. Instead of a protest, I would set up a table, and sell “The Hockey Stick Illusion” and other relevant books/material, with the appropriate permits, of course.

  29. A lot of hockey playing in Minnesota? People should bring broken hockey sticks to the “welcome.”

  30. Don’t be afraid to protest. Keep it witty, and clean.
    Don’t be cowed by the liklihood of biased MSM coverage. The thinking public sees through that bias.
    The unthinking public will see protests on Wall Street, plus protests of a climate scientist, and will conclude: Wall Street = Climate Science.
    Proving, once again, that sometimes the blind squirrel finds the nut.

  31. Anthony, can you deliver 500 of your Mann coffecups ’til Wednesday?
    Need something proper to throw.
    😉

  32. @Gareth Phillips
    I support the right of the protesters at Wall Street. They are morons. But, I support their right to protest.

  33. If you show your work, everyone has your back.
    If you really did science, everyone would have your back.
    If you have integrity, everyone has your back.
    If you have facts, everyone has your back.
    Who has Spencer’s back?
    Who has Svensmark’s back?
    etc.

  34. Mann is speaking in one of several 15 minute blocks, so are a pair from the UCS! See:
    Public Policy: The Not-So Great Divide – Where Science Meets Public Policy:
    http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2011AM/finalprogram/session_29840.htm
    Climate Scientists in the Public Arena: Who’s Got our Backs?: MANN, Michael E.:
    http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2011AM/finalprogram/abstract_195510.htm
    Something’s Rotten in the State of Virginia: HALPERN, Michael H. and HUERTAS, Aaron, Union of Concerned Scientists:
    http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2011AM/finalprogram/abstract_198093.htm
    The abstracts of the talks are copyrighted, so I just pulled the titles from the schedule.
    Demonstrations are good to attract media attention. Not so good for presenting the other side of Mann’s and UCS’s stories to the 6,000(!) attendees. It seems to me there ought to be several fans of WUWT and M4GW attending.

  35. Here’s the thing, I heard Mann give a talk where he was asked if what you’re saying is true then aren’t climate models vastly overstating warming, and he responded, I agree with that. There’s this reputation out there that I am some sort of climate alarmist…but I think there’s a missing negative feedback.

  36. Protests a bad idea. But if you must make a statement…
    I see tens of folks in polar bear suits with signs pinned to the back reading ‘CONSENSUS’, doing a coordinated military drill with hockey sticks instead of rifles. Present arms as Mann passes by.

  37. @Gareth Phillips
    Why do you and many others confuse everyone’s right to criticize the OWS mob with the idea that the substance of the criticism is therefore also saying or implying that the OWS mob doesn’t have a right to legally assemble and “speak”, too, such as it is? It is what the OWS mob does and “communicates”, not its right to do it which is the issue, as long as it is legal. And do you realize that the mob does not have a right to trespass, or enter your house, obstruct public thoroughfares and private businesses by disorderly conduct, etc., threaten people, and litter and otherwise make big messes of public areas at the public’s expense, or violate any other law that applies, any more than anyone else does?

  38. wish I’d heard earlier – woulda arranged borrowing friends 16′ inflatable movie screen and played Anthony’s hockey stick animated jpeg all day …. even better a semi with the last 15,000 year yemp record on the side scaled so a real hockey stick could be added over it representing Manns work

  39. Each day I think certain e-mails may show collusion between Big Mann and Big Goverment.
    ‘Who’s got our backs?’ – sounds like a call to arms for certain people that have been rolling in the lolly and power created by this ‘enviro scare shake down’. Trouble is Dr Mann your science or lack of is starting to scare people in high places that don’t want to be associated to your.

  40. Best of luck! We all should be on the front lines protesting at facilities that are hotspots of waisting our green tax dollars on the scam and using our precious food for fuel.
    As far as the OWS goes I’m flabbergasted that Bentonville, Arkansas isn’t an occupation target. That’s where all your jobs went, where our trade laws went and preferred trading status to a communist country was cooked up. The big multi-national company headquartered there has done more to promote economic inequality, corporate greed and lack of opportunity for Americans than any company traded on Wall Street. They should be in the face of all the rich people where they actually live & golf and they sure are plentiful in Benton County.

  41. David says:
    October 11, 2011 at 5:23 pm
    You guys really think that protesting at the Geological Society of America’s annual meeting is going to make people take you seriously? The professional Earth Science community already thinks you’re uneducated bozo’s, and this will confirm their suspicions.

    Oh the irony!!
    David, when you’ve learnt how to use the apostrophe, then you can come back and lecture others on being uneducated.

  42. Protesting the person is an ad hominem attack.
    Whenever I see such an attack I know the attacker is in the wrong.

  43. GSA, come on guys we are proud rock lickers who make it possible to develop oil and gas as well as every other mineral mined. Last year it seemed the majority of working stiff geologists and a large portion of university research types were laughing at the Dumb A##35 making their living off trying to convince politicians and MSM that climate has never changed before. Basic sedimtology class as a freshman clues most geology students into the fact that climate changes drastically and repeatedly.
    Mann will be a favorite joke over beers at the end of the day.

  44. Mr Green Genes says:
    October 12, 2011 at 1:15 am
    David says:
    October 11, 2011 at 5:23 pm
    You guys really think that protesting at the Geological Society of America’s annual meeting is going to make people take you seriously? The professional Earth Science community already thinks you’re uneducated bozo’s, and this will confirm their suspicions.
    Oh the irony!!
    David, when you’ve learnt how to use the apostrophe, then you can come back and lecture others on being uneducated.

    Nevertheless, a valid point. Who are you, the R. Gates of grammar and usage?

  45. I’ve grown quite a bitter taste in my mouth for protests. I see their potential use when things are really rotten, but most of the time they just seem like lots of people venting at a brick wall.

  46. It might be better to boycott any media, and their advertised products, that cover any of Mann’s work. Let him die from obscurity.

  47. They are letting someone from the Union of Concerned Scammers speak at a FORMAL conference.
    I would guess, they want their credibility to go to ZERO. (Like the number of people with TRUE credentials who are part of the UCS.)
    Max

  48. Protest backed by a coherent discernible purpose is IMO perfectly acceptable As Anthony has oft reported in these pages one James Hanson has it down to a science. Unfortunately, that is some of the only science he has a correct and form grasp of.
    And, while not an Al Gore worthy arctic blast, today in Mpls, after weeks of well above average clear and sunny 80 degree days, broke cool and with significant rain and even rare fall thunderstorms all day.
    I know – weather is not climate – but its fun watching the cool dark clouds follow the warming proponents around 😉

  49. Just finished the first protest, it was wet but fun. We handed out a few hockey sticks and our signs brought up some good discussions amongst the attendees.
    [REPLY: A longer, more detailed report would be much appreciated, if you have the time. Will there be film at 5:00? -REP]

  50. More Soylent Green! says:
    October 12, 2011 at 8:48 am
    Mr Green Genes says:
    Nevertheless, a valid point. Who are you, the R. Gates of grammar and usage?

    I’m someone who understands punctuation. I’m guessing you’re maybe someone who doesn’t understand irony. Or, indeed, humour (see – English spelling!).

  51. I read that somebody somewhere saw a Bumper Sticker labeled:
    “FRAUD” The number 1 cause of global warming
    So good that I had a couple printed for myself and relatives

  52. I think I agree to ignore him. He’s an attention-getter… A media hound. He’s like a spoiled brat that will act up just to get attention, even negative attention. It’ll be even better to ignore him that his little buddies will warn him there will be protests and he shows up and realizes he’s so insignificant no one cared enough to show up and protest.

  53. Is this just a protest against Mann or against the theory that CO2 is causing Global Warming? If it against the latter could someone please point me to some peer reviewed literature that refutes the predictions (no MSNBC, FoxNews, or conservative or liberal think tank data). Also, gravity is only a theory, so why do we continue to accept it? Is this protest more about the possible ramifications and economic consequences of greenhouse gas regulation rather than a deep seated disagreement with climate science?

  54. tbone …. thats the best you can come up with? Here of all places?
    How about you share with the class here how the recent temperature rises – over the last 100 or even 400 years – compare to the historical temperature record of the last 12,000 years as evidence by Dome C and other sources?
    Perhaps you can explain how this recent rise compares and/or fits into the temp pattern the last 12,000 years?
    Lets start with that … and see how you do …

  55. Is this protest more about the possible ramifications and economic consequences of greenhouse gas regulation rather than a deep seated disagreement with climate science?
    Since the ramifications and economic consequences are continued iron gripped control of my life by dissolute and incompetent politicians, put me down for both.

  56. Gareth Phillips says:
    October 11, 2011 at 2:43 pm
    I’m aware that many of us do not agree with Dr.Mann’s work, but how would we feel if a protest was organised against Anthony at a speaking engagement? Would we feel dissent was being suppressed? Free speech is critical, the right to protest is critical. If we feel this protest against Dr Mann is OK, we must also support the right of the protesters in Wall street and and protests aimed at ideas we believe in.

    Nice strawman. Show me where anyone here has indicated the “occupy” idiots don’t have the right to protest?

  57. A. Scott, could you please cite what research you are using to support your contention that the Dome C ice core shows the recent climate forcing isn’t being affected by CO2. I have not read much on Dome C but the research done by the British Antarctic Survey (www.antarctica.ac.uk) concludes from the ice cores that icreases in climate appear to be linked with increases in co2 with the exception in abrupt changes which could have resulted from changes in deep ocean circulation. If you know of published reasearch that shows the contrary please post it.

  58. tbone, you’re in the wrong place to have a discussion of first principles. This is a thread about Michael Mann and his communication tour. Its important to stay on-topic, otherwise every thread would degrade to discussions of elementary and uninteresting subjects. If you are interested in understand why people mistrust Mann’s work, I suggest you read the Hockey Stick Illusion by Andrew Montford.

  59. Bowers says:
    October 12, 2011 at 6:01 am
    For those wearing the polar bear outfits, here’s a photo for your placards.

    Yes, clearly a picture of… a white blob which may or may not be a polar bear, which may or may not be dead, in the middle of what may or may not be the ocean. In other words, the usual non-information we’ve come to expect from climate alarmists.

  60. tbone: “but the research done by the British Antarctic Survey (www.antarctica.ac.uk) concludes from the ice cores that icreases in climate”
    An increase in climate? What is that, exactly?
    Do we have more climate today than yesterday??

  61. For those planning such a protest, check to see if the esteemed Dr. James Hansen of NASA-GISS will be attending. If so, bring along a large bucket of coal. He’ll see it and get himself arrested out of habit.

  62. Michael Mann is laughing at these guys…
    He has tweeted pictures of the Deniers, all half a dozen of them…
    Basically, this little ‘protest’ had helped Michael Mann characterise sceptics as stupid ‘Deniers’ that hassle him, in front of his peer group..

  63. Actually Anthony, I don’t have a twitter account and I can see it. Just click on the button which says display media. FAIL!
    REPLY: Well then maybe the good Dr. Mann has blocked me from accessing, because it displays a security message.- Anthony

  64. I have a twitter account. I get the following message:

    Media not displayed.
    This media falls outside your media display settings.
    It’s being shared by someone you’re not following.

    I didn’t know you could restrict content on Twitter in this way.

  65. I think he was laughing because there were so few, easy to paint them as ‘crazies’
    He needs to be able to point to people as Deniers, do that he doesn’t have to dek with people like Judith curry, Robert muller, pielke, mcintyre, etc..
    I just think tactics like placards on the outside of events like this are counterproductive.
    Privately many scientists don’t seem have a great opinion of his hockey stick, as far as I can see..
    Anti Mann placards, keep these thoughts private in my opinion

  66. I think many of you understimate the level of scepticism in the GSA members. It’s not because they attend and listen to what he says that they necessarily agree with him. Similarly, it’s not because they are not outside picketing that they support him or his work. From my perspective, few are fooled by the arguments presented to justify his (and others’) transgressions and manipulations revealed in the Climategate emails. It’s fairly clear that he behavior was unethical (at best).
    Many listen, see the hipocrisy in the victim stance that is taken by the author, and they move on without giving much more consideration to something they already understand to be a charade. End of story. To me that speaks more strongly than any protest or beligerant behaviour which draws attention away from Mann and reinforces his weak victim stance.
    From a 15 yr GSA member.

  67. Most geologists don’t accept the CAGW theory having been examining the climate record over a much longer time period than is usually the case. Indeed, it was geologists (real paleoclimatologists) who threws the monkey-wrench into the “hottest ever decade (century, millennium….)” nonsense – I guess the GSA folks running the show are the exceptions. Anyway we know whose got our Greenbacks.

  68. Well,

    Decades of scientific research have shown that climate can change from both natural and anthropogenic causes. The Geological Society of America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of Science (2005), the National Research Council (2006), and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2007) that global climate has warmed and that human activities (mainly greenhouse‐gas emissions) account for most of the warming since the middle 1900s. If current trends continue, the projected increase in global temperature by the end of the twentyfirst century will result in large impacts on humans and other species. Addressing the challenges posed by climate change will require a combination of adaptation to the changes that are likely to occur and global reductions of CO2 emissions from anthropogenic sources.

    http://www.geosociety.org/positions/position10.htm

  69. I found these tidbits, scanning the other abstracts:
    Discussion of the coming solar minimum:
    http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2011AM/finalprogram/abstract_194371.htm
    Sr/Ca Temperature proxy:
    http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2011AM/finalprogram/abstract_196287.htm
    Holocene storm frequency from a North Florida sinkhole:
    http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2011AM/finalprogram/abstract_196857.htm
    The LARISSA program:
    http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2011AM/finalprogram/abstract_195272.htm
    This session on extreme weather events:
    http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2011AM/finalprogram/abstract_190757.htm
    Included this offering from Trenberth blaming the Russian drought and Pakistan floods on AGW:
    http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2011AM/finalprogram/abstract_192442.htm
    Here’s a session on peatlands and climate change:
    http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2011AM/finalprogram/session_28755.htm
    The public policy session with Mann and the UCS presentations:
    http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2011AM/finalprogram/session_29840.htm

  70. That first link I posted is to a presentation by Don Easterbrook from the Dept. of Geology, Western Washington Univ., Bellingham, WA. The wordy title is:
    CLIMATIC IMPLICATIONS OF THE IMPENDING GRAND SOLAR MINIMUM AND COOL PACIFIC DECADAL OSCILLATION: THE PAST IS THE KEY TO THE FUTURE–WHAT WE CAN LEARN FROM RECURRING PAST CLIMATE CYCLES RECORDED BY GLACIAL FLUCTUATIONS, ICE CORES, SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURES, AND HISTORIC MEASUREMENTS.
    The abstract is here:
    http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2011AM/finalprogram/abstract_194371.htm
    In hunting around for more information, I “Googled” Dr. Easterbrook. Interstingly, the first link I found was to this response
    http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Response_to_GSA_position_statement.pdf
    to the GSA position on climate change, cited by Rattus in the preceding post.
    It’s my impression that Dr Easterbrook’s position is closer to mainstream geologic thinking than the GSA’s position. IMO, the GSA position is more of a political statement than a scientific one.

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