Jo Nova has taken on the ridiculous “Map of Organized Climate Change Denial” promoted by Andy Revkin at the NYT with a map of her own and writes:
Two professors of sociology think they can explain why “Climate Deniers” are winning. But Riley E. Dunlap and Aaron M. McCright start from the wrong assumption and miss the bleeding obvious: the theory was wrong, the evidence has changed, and thousands of volunteers have exposed it.
The real question sociologists will be studying for years to come is: how was an exaggerated scare, based on so little evidence, poor reasoning and petty namecalling, kept alive for two whole decades?
Climate Change Scare Machine Cycle: see how your tax dollars are converted into alarming messages:
The key points
1. The money and vested interests on the pro-scare side is vastly larger, more influential, and more powerful than that on the skeptical side. Fossil fuel and conservative-think-tanks are competing against most of the world financial houses, the nuclear and renewable energy industry, large well financed green activists (WWF revenue was $700m last year), not to mention whole government departments, major political parties, universities dependent on government funding, the BBC (there is no debate), the EU, and the entire UN.
2. Despite this highly asymmetrical arrangement, the skeptics are winning simply because they’re more convincing — they have the evidence. The other team avoid debate, try to shut down discussion (only their experts count), they imply the audience is too stupid to judge for themselves, and then call everyone who disagrees rude names. The dumb punters are figuring them out. Vale free speech.
The evidence changed, but who wanted to know?
When the evidence began rolling in showing how the assumptions were wrong, the graphs were flawed, the thermometers were biased, and the “expert” scientists were behaving badly — who exactly would benefit from risking their career, cutting off the cash cow, being exiled from friends and colleagues, and being called a “Denier” for speaking the truth?
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Yup. That’s the long and short of it. Unfortunately, the dupers came out on the long end (cash in pockets) and the dupees came out on the short end (cash out of pockets). A climate skeptic can’t be skeptical about one overriding aspect of this humongous charade–it was all about money; never about the science.
Thanks, you money-grubbing “scientists” and unthinking activists. The only upside is you’ve made fools of yourself (along with being unwitting tools)!
Outstanding map. Let’s make it go viral.
I take it, after seeing the critical role the financial system plays, we can all agree that the financial system needs reform and supervision?
Also, what is this map following? Cash flows? Revenues? Donations? That is not clear.
Dammit, I hit post too soon. Ok, it’s obviously not revenues. That was a reflex to type after ‘cash flows’. Still, I’m not sure what you are tracing through here. Is this something where the cash flow originates with taxes and then flows through the rest of the system? The biggest flow in the flow chart (the arrow for taxes) has no value ascribed to it, which is suspicious to me. But then we can follow it through to values totaling in the hundreds of billions, which makes my suspicion even higher. In some places there are values for assets, too, which means the graph is confounding what the measurement base is. What is the point of origination? What is the unit value at that point? How many units are there of that unit value and how do they distribute over this graph? That is what I am confused about.
She’s pretty cluey, that Jo Nova. Jo Nova for Australian PM.
I love A. Revkin’s slide show on the same NYT web page. Complaining about our energy consumption but traveling all around the world. Complaining about industrial civilization , but also about extreme poverty in developing (?) countries. No contradiction of course ….
They have done so much damage to world economics … sucked out billions of $ the world over and diverted attention from more pressing issues.
Bookmark this. And post links in all newspaper articles (on the web) about anything concerning Globull Warning, Wind Energy or solar.
That is a pretty powerfull tactic. Dont be afraid, dont be shy. Just do it, all over the world.
Every time you see a Globull Warning piece in MSM, post a link.
For a man directly involved in the climategate emails, in what could be interpreted as a conspiracy between government-funded scientists, organizations and the media, Revkin certainly shouldn’t be accusing others of things he participated in on the other side.
Of course, at least there is actual evidence of Revkin’s machinations, while they’ve yet to uncover the smokin’ gun for the climate change “denial” machine.
Time for another re-run of this old vid classic made by Bad-CRC of Newgrounds.
The science of sociology was inspired by communism . Party – line is here the highest goal in life and any different opinion will be suppressed . There is nothing new in this world .
In a way Obama and his combamas are very conservative and are closing their eyes and ears for new points of view . Much to their incomprehension the world will be changing anyway
RockyRoad says @ur momisugly October 6, 2011 at 10:43 pm
“Thanks, you money-grubbing “scientists” and unthinking activists. The only upside is you’ve made fools of yourself (along with being unwitting tools)!”
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You are being much too kind. They are in it for the money.
“…the Freedom of Information Act. The disclosure revealed that Dr. Hansen received between $236,000 and $1,232,500 in outside income in 2010 relating to his taxpayer-funded employment,…. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/10/03/hansen-rakes-it-in/
I am sure Phil Jones and Mike Mann probably rake in similar amounts.
I just found this juicy tidbit about Mr Mann of Pennsylvania State University grant money.
“NSF Should Review Stimulus Grants to Scientist Involved in E-Mail Scandal
Washington, D.C. – U.S. Reps. Darrell Issa, R-Calif. and Jim Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., today said taxpayers shouldn’t be funding questionable climate science and called for a review of more than $2.5 million in stimulus grants awarded to one climate researcher who is under investigation for his role in the Climategate scandal that unearthed efforts by leading climate scientists to destroy data, distort research and prevent publication of dissenting viewpoints….. http://oversight.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=542&Itemid=29
Seems the house of cards is starting to disintegrate.
The correct bottom up sociological answer to Jo Nova’s “why-question” is that the CAGW-hypethesis was articulated and promoted by white, privileged, middle-aged and heterosexual men in their hunt for prestige and status.
Gender angle covered and all! 😉
Need to add riots in Wall Street.
Can someone pass on the message to Jo Nova that it’s Siemens, not Seimens? This looks really bad.
Hey, they’re sociologists. They have to study things that we mortals see as obvious and self explanatory to maintain the illusion that they do real work.
There are 2 main money flows. One thru the UN for dubious carbon credits,money that ends up in the pockets of developing world businessmen often bankrolled by the likes of Gore.
The other through national governments from general and CC specific taxes (eg carbon taxes). These flow through primarily as various subsidies (eg on windmills).
Additionally, there is money from various foundations, Soros etc..
You need to add politicians. ‘Green’ industry are heavily dependent on subsidies which results in large donations to politicians in order to keep the subsidies flowing.
Finally I doubt financial institutions make much money from the carbon credits. A few hundred million at most. Likely a lot less Peanuts in the big scheme.
Its not clear what ! represents – misinformation IMO.
One other thing, In Australia the government is spending big on media to convince people of the necessity for carbon taxes, water restrictions, desal plants etc. To a degree the media is being bought off by these revenues.
Olaus, I’m pushing the following sociological answer to Jo’s question:
We are so comfortable and safe in the west that we pay money in order to feel scared. Global Warming Alarmism is like a scary movie: It’s frightening but safe, and not too real.
The P.T.Barnums of the world know how to make a quid out of such indolence in search of a thrill, and by tapping into big government they have hit the mother-load.
I’ve a very strong feeling that current events in the financial world will totally overshadow this dying controversy [AGW] – it is a patent fact, when people have money in their pockets, this enables them to, hypothesize and worry about abstract threats. That, the politicians have exploited this classic human melancholia – angst about the world, man’s imperfections and all mixed up with the stark and inevitable ephemeral nature of life itself.
AGW ticked all the boxes, a political fiction, so good, it induced an orgiastic fantasy of, ultimate control and “blow me down” – world government throw in!
And, how the money men loved it too.
As we turn towards winter, something stirs – that the loons in the EU have forgotten [the irony lost – in more ways than one slips silently in – like a revenant]. In an Autumnal gloom, harbingers of Winter fast approaching – man turns in on his dark fantasies, with a vengeance, the melancholia returns with the weakening solar influence in the NH.
The grandiose schemes have been found out, the squabbling and sheer panic is growing, the electorates of Germany and other EUropean nations grow ever restless – they watch the unfolding horror in Greece and idly wonder – “are we next?”
The foundations of the Utopian ideal of a federal Europe were built on sand, the banks still refuse to admit their real liabilities [Dexia was given a clean bill of health in the summer EU stress tests] and the markets who sensed blood, now draw blood, financial reality cannot be denied for much longer, buy gold, silver and hoard your valuables, its gonna get rough.
Financial scams [AGW], federal dreams, lies, more lies and absolute lies – all of them have been exposed – markets are funny things and insatiable truth seekers.
In the end, where does this leave the idiots who believed in AGW? NOT on the list is apt, it will be so far off the list – a black hole isn’t far enough.
All of us will have other things on our minds.
I think this is Jo’s tribute diagram and Ioved the dark poetry of Athelstan, what can I say but, good luck with that.
Who exactly would benefit from risking their career, cutting off the cash cow, being exiled from friends and colleagues, and being called a “Denier” for speaking the truth?
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/vindicated_scientist_ap.jpg
There are some but not many.
David Falkner says: @ur momisugly October 6, 2011 at 11:11 pm
I take it, after seeing the critical role the financial system plays, we can all agree that the financial system needs reform and supervision?
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Funny you should say that. The tangled web designed to funnel money into the pockets of a few is fascinating.
Seems a staffer for U.S. Reps. Darrell Issa, R-Calif. one of the two saying …taxpayers shouldn’t be funding questionable climate science and called for a review of more than $2.5 million in stimulus grants awarded to one climate researcher who is under investigation for his role in the Climategate scandal (Mann]… is none other that a VP of Goldman Sachs. He even changed his name to hide the connection. The fact that Issa with such a staffer is willing to change direction on CAGW is VERRRY interesting.
One of the general partners of Goldman Sachs was Dan Amstutz. Amstutz was also VP of Cargill and later President and CEO of Cargill Investor Services. Goldman Sachs courted Amstutz because they looking for someone to provide direction about ways to operate in futures. The manipulation of that exact same futures market is blamed for the 2008 food riots.
Amstutz was a key player in the game. He was active in the US Government as Under Secretary of Agriculturer and Chief Negotiator during the Uruguay Round of General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade he is considered the Author of the WTO agreement on Agriculture. where he was so successful in advancing the goals of the grain traders that The Amstutz Award is given by the North American Export Grain Association in honor of Dan Amstutz and in recognition of his outstanding and extraordinary service to the export grain and oilseed trade from the United States
Cargill by the way was the multinational corporation that has recently initiated biodiesel production in the UK. Amstutz wrote the “Freedom to Fail” (1996) farm bill that wiped out US strategic grain reserves. The bill caused overproduction of grain that Cargill bought at below production cost and dumped on the world market bankrupting third world farmers as well as the farmers in the USA. Once the “competition” was eliminated, the next step was the “Biofuel Craze” soaking up all the excess grain reserves. Then Goldman Sachs and the futures market came into play and jacked up the the prices causing the 2008 food riots and record profits for Cargill, Monsanto, ADM and others.
If all of this was not planned I will eat my hat. Heck Kissinger told us in 1970 the plan was to control food, energy and the money supply. CAGW is just a cog in a much larger scheme and that is why it is so very well funded and backed.
A decent summary of the tangled web, with references is Getting Used to Life Without Food
At the end of the day, it’s all about conflicts of interest:
If a ‘climate scientist’ told the truth – that would be a novel experience – he would say: “If I don’t make my story/paper/presentation scary, it will be boring and no one will care and therefore I won’t get funding. That’s why I have to dupe politicians, distort data, exaggerate forecasts of the future, omit important information, ignore natural cycles and cherry pick my ‘facts’ – for heaven’s sake, I don’t want to be put out on the streets, surely you can understand that?”
Siemens is wrong spelled, not “Seimens”. And the Munich Re ist missing, one of the world leading insurance companies, telling scaring stories about damages caused by AGW.