I don’t usually go for political articles, but this one deserves mention for the wholesale idiocy about energy on display.
Don Monfort writes: Submitted on 2011/10/01 at 10:24 am
Sorry to stray off topic, but I was flabbergasted by something I just read:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204226204576602524023932438.html
The most flabbergasting part; our energy policy is based on fantasy:
When it was Mr. Hamm’s turn to talk briefly with President Obama, “I told him of the revolution in the oil and gas industry and how we have the capacity to produce enough oil to enable America to replace OPEC. I wanted to make sure he knew about this.”
The president’s reaction? “He turned to me and said, ‘Oil and gas will be important for the next few years. But we need to go on to green and alternative energy. [Energy] Secretary [Steven] Chu has assured me that within five years, we can have a battery developed that will make a car with the equivalent of 130 miles per gallon.’” Mr. Hamm holds his head in his hands and says, “Even if you believed that, why would you want to stop oil and gas development? It was pretty disappointing.”
America is still going to use oil in 5 years, but I’d rather it be domestic than foreign, wouldn’t you? Alternate technology takes time to develop and there’s zero chance we’ll all be driving electric vehicles in 5 years.
Obama said this when he was running for office:
Obama pledges to end oil dependency
Friday, August 29, 2008 (KGO ABC7 Television)
“I will set a clear goal as president: in ten years we will finally end our dependence on oil in the Middle East,” said Democratic Presidential nominee Barack Obama.
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“If he means what it sounds like it means, it’s impossible,” said Stanford University Professor James Sweeney.
I guess we know what he meant by that now.
When the presidential limo becomes an electric vehicle, I’ll take his pledge seriously.

The vehicle fuel consumption is about 8 miles per gallon which on metric system corresponds to around 30 litres/100 km – source specs

PhilM: “I want to see his electric Air Force One!” Don’t be ridiculous. In five years, Obama will get around the world by yogic flying. Charles, HRH the Prince of Wales will be happy to teach him.
Roger Sowell
You apparently mean well, but err by confusing “peak light oil” with “peak hydrocarbons”.
See
Tad W. Patzek, Exponential growth, energetic Hubbert cycles, and the advancement of technology Archives of Mining Sciences of the Polish Academy of Sciences, May 3, 2008
and his 2006 presentation The Hubbert Peaks
See especially his 2006 Slide 21 and 2008 Fig. 13.
Each alternative TYPE of hydrocarbon in each REGION for each TECHNOLOGY will result in a similar Hubbert (logistic) peak. When accumulated they provide the overall production curve.
North Sea Oil similarly peaked in 1999. Compare global crude & condensates production.
The “peak oil” problem is in the geological and technological limits on the rate of production for each hydrocarbon TYPE, REGION and TECHNOLOGY. Each “peak” is inevitable. Consequently, our challenge is in the RATE of adaptation to alternative resources.
With current lack of investment and CARTEL constrained OPEC production on top of geologically constrained NON-OPEC production, we are facing a rollercoaster in our transition to alternative fuels.
The particular challenge is on Net Oil Exports. See especially:
Peak Oil Versus Peak Net Exports–Which
Should We Be More Concerned About? ASPO-USA 2010
Now “Westexas” shows a 12% decline in “available” oil exports since 2005 left after China and India’s imports. That is projected to 100% decline in about 20 years at present rates (China & India consuming ALL net oil exports).
Wake up and examine the dire straits the oil IMPORTING countries are in, especially in the worlds largest oil IMPORTER – the USA. (formerly the world’s largest exporter before peaking production in 1970.)
Look at the hard numbers, and do not listen to wishful political equivocation.
the SCOAMF will be able to end America’s dependence on foreign oil as he promised:
just look at how his healthcare, tax, economic and foreign policies have devastated the markets, and how close to a full blown depression we are… once we are over the edge and on the way down, importing oil will be the last thing on our mind.
So Obama’s solutions are on the stark raving bonkers side of life.
Reduce the deficit by spending more.
Reduce energy use by using more energy.
Reduce injustice by killiing American citizens with remote drones.
Reduce NASA costs by taking NASA back to Earth.
God Bless Al Gore.
Jeremy says:
October 1, 2011 at 5:09 pm
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Jeremy – obviously you haven’t heard of oil shale. It has trillions upon trillions cubic feet of natural gas, is ubiquitous (a large find was just discovered in England – and they are going to use it), and also produces condensate liquids (petroleum). Wake up and smell the roses man!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-14990573
Chu and Obama’s enthusiasm for hybrid vehicles shows a lack of awareness of basic economics.
Confronting Slow Rate of Auto Technology Change
The basic issue is HIGH COST.
The 0.3%/year hybrid penetration rate is negligible compared to the task of replacing an optimistic ~ 3.5%/year depletion in global production with alternative fuels to accommodate depletion of conventional oil and even nominal 1.5%/year population growth.
To accommodate growth from China & India, the reality for other oil importing countries is to replace ALL oil imports within 20 years and accommodate growth. i.e. > 6.5%/year.
Oh yeah, the Obamanable Snowman will show you guys. To ensure his (Chu’s) prophecy comes true, our beloved President is going to introduce legislation to prohibit all level and all uphill automobile traffic. It will be a rider on his “I’m taking the country for a ride” bill.
@Jeff L
First of all he said at the start of the article ( which apparently you did not read )
United States could be “completely energy independent by the end of the decade. We can be the Saudi Arabia of oil and natural gas in the 21st century.”
So as to your question about HOW to do this again the article
How much oil does Bakken have? The official estimate of the U.S. Geological Survey a few years ago was between four and five billion barrels. Mr. Hamm disagrees: “No way. We estimate that the entire field, fully developed, in Bakken is 24 billion barrels.”
Regardless lets take the 4 – 5 Billion… and your 4.9 Million per day. That alone would mean that the USA from one major oil field can produce enough oil for 2.2 to 3 years of NO FOREIGN IMPORTS of course to break a monopolistic hold you really only need a 15 to 20% share, meaning that this field alone ( assuming it is not the order of magnitude of the 24 Billion which is 6 times that ) breaking the strangle hold that OPEC has on us.
Now again I cannot provide the exact logistics. I do not think they are warranted for this generalization of comments. however I do feel this provides enough information to actually see if it makes MORE sense to you now.
So you really think one guy making flakey comments is how policy is made? Have you ever talked to senior officials in any department?
By the way Great article. I loved it and it actually shows just about EVERY problem there is with the Obama administration and their favoritism and cronyism in applying legal and legislative bias in what they do. I am a political person I dislike this administration a lot. I do not believe they mean harm, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
To be balanced I did not particularly care in retrospect for the Bush administration either.
[snip – Anthony]
Americans get rid of that clueless id*#t as soon as possible. He is bad for America and he is bad for the World
Paul,
“Too little, MPG or vision, the Aptera series 2 electric version should hit the streets at 200MPG equivalent, the gasoline hybrid version should get 130 MPG on gasoline only. The Leaf is getting 99 MPG equivalent and the Volt gets 93 MPG-e today.”
One would think that they would be selling government subsidized Volts and other quaint electric shoeboxes on wheels, by the tens of millions. I guess people just prefer practical vehicles for most of their transportation needs. And the marginal improvements we will see in the near future in electric vehicle technology ain’t gonna significantly change that.
yo brad,
“So you really think one guy making flakey comments is how policy is made? Have you ever talked to senior officials in any department?”
Obama and Chu are senior officials.
Z’bama and Chu have how many $x9 “guaranteeing” this? Recycling this five-year-plan has been going on since Carter was POTUS. Of course Jimmy was an engineer-before-peanut-farmer/GvGA, but “nucular,” like they pronounce it down there, and headed the team that designed those $40,000 microwave ovens for nuclear subs. It’s agenda and payback over science and either fiscal or economic reality. This kind of junk science dominates academia, MSM, and the markets, not to mention the bulk of science blogs-linked-to-HuffPost.
High unemployment and no growth is strongly dependent on the high price of oil, which is directly caused by OPEC’s throttling supplies to maximize the tribute they receive for their economic “war”.
E.g. when the price of oil hit $147/bbl and plummeted to $33/bbl, OPEC cut back production until prices returned to about $80/bbl within about 6 months.
To reduce unemployment, and restore economic sovereignty, the non-OPEC countries need need to produce alternative fuels faster/more than OPEC can cut plus provide for depletion and growth. i.e. about 3.5 million bbls/day each year.
It can be done. We need the focus and commitment to do so.
The world’s economic sovereignty is at stake.
Smokey says: October 1, 2011 at 6:15 pm
[snip – Anthony]
Smokey, you got snipped!
Just in case you are sulking, here is something to cheer you up about [petrol] vehicles.
Since you wrote in Notes n Tips that you enjoyed the Marion Davis clip here’s another hot blonde on the stage. She can sing soul too!
The clip accompanies the ‘Last Post’ in letter to editors in our national newspaper The Australian
Saudi Arabia’s council of ministers are obviously not big Beatle fans. The first track on Rubber Soul clearly states: ‘Baby you can drive my car.” GH, Mt Isa, Queensland.
You should see what’s on c-span right now the Common Wealth youth parliament debate everyone of these brain washed kids are calling for100%. Carbon emissions reductions in the next50 years. I can’t believe they are completely sold on this garbage . They actually believe they can stophurricanes from ever happening again.
Oil is still a bargain at $100 per barrel. Compare price of gold to oil–roughly 10:1 in the 1920s and 1930s, oil looks a bit cheap now. The real problem is our weak dollar policy–i.e. the GW Bush and Obama policy of making us rich by beggaring us with high cost imports from Canada, Mexico, Asia, Europe and the Middle East. I have no quarrel with OPEC countries trying to sell what they have, in some cases the only thing they have, for what the market will bear. We Americans have a lot more than anyone, we have the most advanced manufacturing in the world, we are highly educated even considering recent troubles, we are innovative and risk-takers. Now, if we can just get the gang in D.C. to stop making everything a felony and get outta’ the way.
Jessie,
My last post was over the top. I was just upset by this.
No one has come up with anything better than Rudolf Diesel’s “slow combustion engine” in 115 years. Please email me when that happens. Batteries? An expensive and heavy joke.
Best,
J.
There is too much emphasis on Chu, here. Holdren is, in my mind, the guy who should never hold executive power. He is not moderate or reasoned in any sense of the word. Not often correct, but never in doubt.
kwik says:
October 1, 2011 at 3:39 pm
upcountrywater says:
October 1, 2011 at 2:28 pm
“THIS JUST IN: : Unobtainium find just discovered, promises to make batteries as energy dense as gasoline, should be ready for sale in 5 years.”
Unobtanium? Never heard about that before? This is great news! Where can I get it?
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It is found on the periodic table right next to upsidasium which is mined on Mount Flatten.
http://youtu.be/qv95GxYeAb8?t=19s
Actually,I misspoke the 100% reduction is by 2050. 30yrs from now. Wow is all I can say, I just heard them say “our current behavoir is nothing short of global anarchy “. These people are extreme. However kudos to Australia’s representative for for representing the skeptical youth.
zac @ur momisugly 3:09 asks about windup cars the hook into windmills.
Good idea zac.It’s proven technology as can be seen at the following link.
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3020639/1955-nash-metropolitan
(click on images to enlarge)