UPDATE2 10/18/2011 – The experiment has been replicated several ways, see:
UPDATE: New images added prove without a doubt the faked split screen. See below.
It has been over a week now since the Gore-a-thon aka “24 hours of climate reality”. The front page of the Climate Reality Project has changed from “live mode” to offering clips of video shown during the 24 hour presentation. Note the circled video on the front page below Mr. Gore. I’ve discovered that by watching carefully it reveals an “inconvenient truth” of the worst kind.
Analysis of this “Climate 101” video highlighted on Mr. Gore’s website is something I’ve been working on for the past week and a half. It has been carefully reviewed (with video graphics tools) and has been inspected by a number of science, engineering, and television professionals I’ve had review the video, my video captures, annotations, and writeup to be certain I have not missed anything or come to an erroneous conclusion. It also took me awhile to locate and get the items shipped to me to do the work I needed before I wrote this article. Now that I have them, and have done some simple replications to confirm my suspicions, I can write about them while presenting corroborating photographic evidence.
First, I wish to direct your attention to this video, produced by Al Gore’s Climate Reality Project titled “Climate 101”. I direct your attention to the 1 minute mark, lasting through 1:20. I suggest you click on the little X-arrow icon to expand full screen of the right of the slider tool bar, since this video is in high-definition and the details of my concerns require that higher resolution to view them properly.
It is worth watching a couple of times to get fully familiar with the sequence.
I’ve been in television broadcasting for over 20 years, and I’m quite familiar with editing tricks, I think I spotted more than a few in the video.
There are five scenes that appear, each an edit in that 20 second span of video during which an experiment is set up which supposedly demonstrates that CO2 in a heated jar causes that jar to be warmer than a second heated jar with ambient air in it.
In that 20 second span, I looked for things that changed, indicating that it wasn’t done in a continuous shot. I found evidence that the scene was changed at least three times, suggesting multiple takes.
The giveaways were that I saw objects change in the scene, most notably the CO2 tank, which has three different rotation positions. See the video captures from the Climate 101 video below, with my annotations. Note the position of the safety valve (1) and the label (2) change (click images for HD resolution):
Climate 101 scene @1:01 –
Climate 101 scene @1:05 –
Climate 101 scene @1:09 –
(UPDATE 10:27AM : spotted by commenter “mkelly” – note the thermometers are reversed in the 1:05 video capture versus the 1:09 video capture – note the green card mark on the thermometer scale as explained further in the story) So clearly, this wasn’t done in one take. By itself, there’s nothing wrong with that, but it did make me wonder why for such a simple sequence (putting the tube in the jar) they had to have three separate edits.
Such a simple thing could surely have been accomplished in a single take. All they would have had to do was zoom the camera in/out as the actor did the work, then take the appropriate scenes from the single shot to the final cut. They could have done several continuous takes and chosen the best one, it just seemed odd they had to keep moving/rotating the bottle to do it. It made me wonder if the experiment maybe didn’t go so well and they had to keep trying it.
These scene discontinuities made me curious, and it made me look further to see what else might have been edited in such a way to reveal that what looks like a continuous flow of scenes…actually isn’t.
I’m glad I did.
Now I know there will be lots of arguments about whether this experiment is a valid test of CO2 greenhouse theory or not. It is deceptively simple, and it fits with the claims of it is “high school physics” made by Al Gore and others before and during the 24 hour Climate Reality Project. His specific claim was:
“The deniers claim that it’s some kind of hoax and that the global scientific community is lying to people,” he said. “It’s not a hoax, it’s high school physics.” – Al Gore in an interview with MNN 9/14/2011
Let’s put the arguments about applicability of the experiment aside for the moment, and just concentrate on what was presented in the experiment section of the video, because there is plenty to look at in the video with a skeptical eye.
One thing that caught my eye after I noticed the edits with the CO2 tank positions changing was the split screen scene with the thermometers side by side, one with temperature rising faster than the other. It is located starting at 1:10 in the video continuing to 1:17 it is the longest “continuous” scene in experiment section of the video, though we all know that thermometers don’t jump up in spurts like that.
I figured at first they just cut down a longer continuous scene, done with two cameras, so that it fit into the time allotted and then rotated from horizontal and edited them in split screen, which are tried and true techniques, and there’s nothing wrong with doing that.
But thanks to the fact that this was shot in HD video, and because I was able to expand the video to full resolution outside of the web page format bounding, I noticed something that gave me reason to doubt the veracity of this section of video. I suspected it had been faked, but it would take me some time and materials to prove it.
One thing that struck me was how clean the image of the two thermometers was. Remember this is an experiment where the two thermometers are placed inside two glass jars. A proper experimental procedure would be to film them while they are inside of the jars, experiencing the conditions of the experiment, in fact, they were presented just like that with a closeup at 1:02 in the video, you can actually read the thermometer scale:
Note this video capture at 1:02 looks quite different from the video at 1:17 showing the thermometers split screen. There are several differences:
1. Throughout the video from 1:00 to 1:20, the thermometers in the jar are shown horizontal, the split screen at 1:17 shows the thermometers vertical.
2. There’s a greenish-yellow background in the split screen at 1:10 to 1:17 which isn’t seen anywhere else in the experiment video at all.
3. The split screen thermometer scene has not a hint of the optical distortion seen at 1:02 in the video. Note that the thermometer scale is distorted by the glass, and if you look closely by expanding the video capture above to full resolution by clicking on it, you’ll see that the tick marks are distorted differently all along the scale. This is what you would expect from thick glass like the jar is made of.
I considered these possibilities for each point above:
1. That was editing to show the thermometers side by side, perfectly acceptable if the edit was done from combining two separate video streams filmed simultaneously on two cameras while the temperature was rising inside the jar. Cutting down the time is also acceptable, which would account for the “spurts”
2. They may have placed a paper or cardboard background behind the thermometers while filming in the jars to make the scales more visible and to remove visual clutter, but didn’t show it in the video. While using such backgrounds is understandable, not showing that you have done so is a bit of a no-no, but it isn’t a deal killer.
3. While I thought about it a lot, I couldn’t reconcile the glass caused optical distortion issue. Why was it missing from the split screen thermometer scene? I decided I couldn’t answer the question without getting my hands on the objects and re-creating the optical situation with a camera.
That took some doing, because Al’s “high school physics” experiment didn’t come with a bill of materials and list of suppliers. So, in my spare time I started looking for the jars, the thermometers, and the globes so that I could exactly recreate the experiment scene.
I found them all, thanks to Google visual image search and Ebay.
Replicating the scene – materials:
Anchor Hocking Cookie Jar with Lid http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodde.asp?SKU=187543
Geratherm Oral Thermometer Non-Mercury
http://www.pocketnurse.com/Geratherm-Oral-Thermometer-Non-Mercury/productinfo/06-74-5826/
Globe Coin Bank
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150661053386
It took a few days for everything to arrive from the three different suppliers, here they are all together on my desk at work, I actually bought two sets:
What I wanted to do was to recreate the closeup shot like we see in the video at 1:02 to see if I saw similar optical distortions, then see if there was any way that I could get a clear closeup view of the thermometer scale like we see in the split screen at 1:10-1:17.
My theory was that the thermometers aren’t actually in the jar when they were photographed for the split screen.
Checking for optical aberrations:
I used a piece of double-sided foam tape to affix the thermometer:
Here’s a closeup of the thermometer affixed to the globe. Note how clear and distortion free the scale is.
Here’s my attempts at photography of the thermometer inside the jar. I had a lot of trouble getting focused on the thermometer scale due to the autofocus mechanism being distracted by the glass which is in the foreground. Note that you can see the optical aberrations caused by the glass on the thermometer scale. The scale is not straight and the tick marks are also distorted.
Here’s another photo – I could not get the macro view focus right due to the glass confusing the autofocus sensor:
I decided that my camera was inadequate for this particular task, so I called in a someone who has a professional camera with a high quality professional lens capable of manual focus and macro function. It is a far cry from my little Kodak Easy Share Z1012 used to make the photos above:
- Camera – Canon 1D Mark IV
- Lens – Canon MACRO 100mm 1:2.8 L IS USM
Just as I did with my clunky little Kodak camera, the photographer had a lot of trouble getting a clear shot through the glass. Below is a collection of shots done by that photographer at different distances and focus settings on the professional camera. Note that I also rotated the jar to see is different sections made anything clearer. Click any thumbnail to enlarge it (warning large download ~ 10MB each)
The professional photography setup also could not capture an image through the glass jar that looked as clear as what was shown by my photo with the thermometer outside the glass, or as clear as the split screen images presented in the Climate 101 video from 1:10 to 1:17. I invite readers to inspect the images above carefully, examine the EXIF data of the unedited original JPEG images presented at the native resolution of the Canon 1D camera at 4296×3264 pixels and examine for yourselves if it is possible to shoot the thermometer scale through the glass and get an image that is free from any distortions.
Neither I nor the professional photographer could get a clear image through the jar glass that matched the clarity of the thermometer scales seen in the split screen, so I am forced to conclude that in the split screen scene from 1:10 to 1:17 on the Climate 101 video, the thermometers are not in the jars.
But wait, there’s more.
The background behind the thermometers:
Remember point 2 above where I was concerned about the greenish-yellow background in the split screen at 1:10 to 1:17 which isn’t seen anywhere else in the experiment video from 1:00 to 1:20? Well, there’s something odd about that too. The background appears identical in both sides of the split screen. What first tipped me off was a speck on the thermometer.
Here’s a video capture from the start of the split screen sequence. I’ve highlighted something I found curious, a speck on the thermometer scale that appears on both thermometers:
At first I thought it was dust, but then I realized that wasn’t possible, as dust would NOT appear identically on both thermometers in the split screen. I surmised it might be a manufacturing defect, printed on the scale. Fortunately, I have two thermometers from the same manufacturer that I can compare to. Here’s my closeup of them:
Nope, no speck, so it isn’t a manufacturing defect common to all thermometers.
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Side note: Note above in the thermometer closeup how the scales are offset, this is due to the manufacturer hand calibrating these glass thermometers by trimming the card with the scale printed on it so 98.6 lines up with the top of the fluid line when the thermometers are placed in the temperature test well. Glassblowing is an inexact science, and each thermometer must be calibrated by a technician, then sealed. You can see how the cards don’t match here:
We can see this in the Climate 101 video also:
The green section of the card for the scale is clearly different lengths as part of the trimming process for calibration, so clearly we have two different thermometers.
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OK, back to the main issue.
In addition to the identical speck on the two thermometer scales, I noted several other identical specks and aberrations in the split screen video. I’ve listed them by number on two video captures below from two different times in the video (click images to enlarge for best viewing):
Climate 101 video @1:10 –
Climate 101 video @1:16 –
I have 8 labeled points that are identical between each frame @1:10 and @ 1:16 In fact they are identical on every video frame from 1:10 to 1:17. The only thing that changes is the blue liquid in the thermometer tube.
- Dots on left top glass edge match exactly
- Speck on right top glass edge matches exactly
- Smudge/discoloration near number “38” on scale matches exactly
- Speck in background matches exactly
- Speck near number 98 on scale matches exactly
- Tick mark pattern near number “36” matches exactly
- Smudge in background matches exactly
- Reflective highlight in glass tube matches exactly
- While not numbered, note how the background shading matches exactly
Conclusions
With 9 points of agreement between the two images through all video frames there is only one possible conclusion:
The split screen is showing the same piece of video, shot by a single camera and edited to make it appear as two separate pieces of video with two separate thermometers. All that is required is to apply edits along different portions of the timeline. It is the same video shot by the same camera on each side of the split screen.
Summary of what was discovered:
- The video of the experiment showing filling of the jar with CO2 was shot in multiple takes because the CO2 cylinder has three different positions between 1:00 and 1:10. It suggests the experiment didn’t go smoothly and had to be repeated.
- The thermometers in the split screen appear not to have been filmed through the glass of the jars, because the split screen video contains no optical aberrations of any kind. Neither myself nor the photographer with professional gear was able to get clear shots through the jar glass that equaled the clarity of the thermometer scales shown in the split screen video. This strongly suggests the thermometers were never in the jars for the split screen video showing temperature rise.
- The greenish-yellow background in the split screen at 1:10 to 1:17 isn’t seen anywhere else in the experiment video at all, and not in the jars, suggesting it was used only for that scene, which also suggests the thermometers were never in the jars for the split screen video sequence.
- The video of the split screen shows two identical backgrounds, and two identical thermometers with 9 points of exact agreement in the backgrounds and the thermometers. Clearly the split screen contains two copies of the same video from one camera, edited in the timeline to make the liquid in the thermometer rise at different rates.
The only conclusion one can make from these four points is that the video of the “simple experiment” is a complete fabrication done in post production.
I’ve double checked my work, and I’ve had other people look at this video and the points I make and they see the same issues. They concur the video of the experiment was fabricated using editing techniques too.
While everyone can make mistakes (I know, I’ve made some big ones myself), this isn’t a case of a simple mistake, its a production that had to have been screened and approved before releasing it. It is mind blowing that this video, which was intended to be shown to millions of people (recall that Mr. Gore’s claim was 8.6 million views), was not clearly identified as an illustration or artistic license and not a true record of an experiment if that was their intent. Yet, they invite viewers to try replicating it themselves.
This level of fabrication on something that is so simple makes me wonder. Mr. Gore claimed in the MNN interview on 9/14 that:
“It’s not a hoax, it’s high school physics.”
Why then, does Mr. Gore’s organization go to such lengths to fabricate the presentation of the “simple high school physics experiment” they say proves the issue in that venue? Perhaps they couldn’t get the experiment to work properly using the materials chosen? Maybe it might not be so easy to perform at home after all? Maybe a few controls are necessary such as the Mythbusters team used in the video below. Why else would they need to fake it in post?
Even if Mr. Gore and his team wanted to claim “artistic license” for editing the video for the experiment, why would they do so if it is so easy to replicate and do yourself? The narrator, Bill Nye the Science Guy actually invites people to do so at about 0:46 in the video. Why not simply do the experiment and record the results for all to see? Of course a one word lower third caption on the video at that point saying “DRAMATIZATION” would be all that was needed to separate a real experiment from one fabricated in post production – but they didn’t do that. I’ve watched the film several times, checked the audio, and the credits at the end. There is no mention nor notice of any dramatization regarding the “simple experiment” segment that I can find.
If Mr. Gore’s team actually performed the experiment and has credible video documenting the success of his simple “high school physics” exercise, I suggest that in the interest of clarity, now is the time to make it available.
About the experiment:
So far all I’ve concentrated on is the stagecraft I observed. It’s clearly obvious that the split screen scene with thermometers was not filmed inside the cookie jars. I’ve established that it is a staged production from start to finish and the split screen of two thermometers but was edited from a continuous video of a single thermometer with temperature rising then frame sequences were inserted out of order to compose each side of the split screen.
Of course the whole Climate 101 CO2 experiment is questionable to begin with, because it doesn’t properly emulate the physical mechanisms involved in heating our planet. Note the heat lamps used, likely one of these based on the red color we see in the lamp fixture:
Heat lamps like this produce visible red light and short wave infrared (SWIR is 1.4-3 µm wavelength). As we know from the classic greenhouse effect, glass blocks infrared so none of the SWIR was making it into the cookie jar. All that would do is heat the glass. John Tyndall’s 1850’s experiments used rock salt windows, which transmit infrared, for exactly that reason. Adding insult to injury, CO2 has no SWIR absorption bands. What CO2 does have though is higher density than air. The gas in the cookie jars was primarily heated by conduction in contact with the SWIR-heated glass.
Moreover, the CO2 injection in one cookie jar would raise it from 0.04% CO2 to very near 100% CO2 which is hardly comparable to the atmosphere going from 0.03% to 0.04% CO2 during the industrial age. Gore’s team provides no indication of the concentration of CO2 in the jar, that’s hardly scientific. Here’s how current greenhouse theory works:

All that said, in principle it does demonstrate that CO2 absorbs long wave infrared (LWIR 8–15 µm). Energy would likely be transmitted into the gas through conduction with the heated glass (which would likely get very hot) and it would then re-radiate inside the cookie jar as LWIR, and cause the CO2 jar to heat up faster and higher. But this is hardly news. The LWIR absorptive characteristics of many different gases under different pressures and mixtures was experimentally verified in thousands of experiments performed by Tyndall 150 years ago.

This characteristic of CO2 is the theory of operation for millions of CO2 sensors routinely employed in commercial buildings with high occupancy rates to determine when ventilation fans should turn on and off to exhaust the CO2 buildup from a lot of people breathing the same air in a confined space.
So while some might say the stagecraft involved in the Climate 101 presentation wasn’t dishonest it was most assuredly staged with great literary license and dramatization of an effect that was experimentally verified elsewhere with far greater precision and attention to replicating the real world.
I should make it clear that I’m not doubting that CO2 has a positive radiative heating effect in our atmosphere, due to LWIR re-radiation, that is well established by science. What I am saying is that Mr. Gore’s Climate Reality Project did a poor job of demonstrating an experiment, so poor in fact that they had to fabricate portions of the presentation, and that the experiment itself (if they actually did it, we can’t tell) would show a completely different physical mechanism than what actually occurs in our atmosphere.
If Mr. Gore wants to convince the world, he’d do far better at emulating the Mythbusters TV show; show all the materials, steps, measurement, and results like they do.
As it stands, the video fabrications in the “simple experiment” by Mr. Gore’s Climate Reality Project is no better than the stagecraft done by Senator Tim Wirth turning off the air conditioning (to make it hot in the room) when Dr. James Hansen testified before lawmakers in June 1988 about CO2 being a problem.
The public, and especially young budding scientific minds, deserve better than stagecraft.
Of course LWIR radiative CO2 heat retention is only a small part of the global warming issue. There are still raging debates over climate sensitivity, uncertainty, feedbacks, and most recently whether clouds provide positive or negative feedbacks in our atmosphere.
But from my point of view, if everything is so certain, the science so settled, why does Mr. Gore resort to these cheap stagecraft tricks to convince people?
UPDATE: In comments, Mariss Freimanis runs a Photoshop difference analysis, proving the split screen image is the same. He emailed his analysis to me, shown below.


From Mariss
1) I have attached ‘analysis_before’ which is a cropped shot of your original with it’s circles and arrows.
2) The ‘analysis_right_thermo’ is the right thermometer overlaid already positioned to overlay the the left thermometer.
3) The ‘image_analysis_after’ shows the results of subtracting away the right overlay from the underlying left image.
Comments:
1) The attached jpegs are reasonably sized in the sense that they don’t throw away any information. The ‘after’ image black area still contains some residual ‘non-black’ background noise from the subtraction process. This is largely due to my choice of a times-4 repixelation of the original. The image offset was not precisely 0.25 pixels so it reflects some residual image alignment errors.
2) This method reveals minute differences between two images. For the background to be as featureless as it is, it requires both thermometer’s reflections to be identically lit from the exact same light source angle (parallel ray source), their seemingly identical mottled green backgrounds to actually be identical and of course, the thermometers would have to have exactly the same ‘fingerprint’ flaws. It would take one hell of a telephoto lens to see both thermometers from exactly the same perspective. This is inconceivable.
3) The 0.25 pixel offset drift is significant because it reveals the same thermometer was used to sequentially film the composite image. Little things change with time such as thermal expansion. It marks the passage of time. That drift indicates they weren’t filmed simultaneously.
For those that might be concerned about the images above not being full resolution HD and having annotations, here’s the before and after difference image at 1:17 in the video:


Note the only thing that changes is the fluid level and the reflection of it (thin line to the right) in the glass tube. This proves the “result” split screen is the same image, not two thermometers showing results.







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Would it not be useful to try this experiment with a number of boundary type cases.
Jar ‘a’ with 0% CO2
Jar ‘b’ with 289 ppm CO2 (pre industrial levels)
Jar ‘c’ with 390 ppm CO2 (current levels)
Jar ‘d’ with 500 ppm CO2 (possible future levels)
Jar ‘c’ with 1,000 ppm CO2
Jar ‘d’ with 10,000 ppm CO2
Jar ‘e’ with 100% CO2
All at the same standard atmospheric pressure of 1013mb and with a starting temp of 13C.
As the jar is a closed system the way temperature changes will/should/could be different (as already commented on by others) compared to the open system of our atmosphere. Has this experiment already been done?
You’ll also note the time of day changes due to the amount and angle of sun light coming into the window in the background. By the time the thermometers swapped and the CO2 canister was moved closer, it looks to be well into the afternoon.
BTW, I would wager compressed CO2 in a canister comes out damn cold ….
a simple point, the IR waves leave the earth moving towards space(colder body) then a tiny portion of those waves are grabbed by co2 then quickly released…in order for those portions to return to earth as claimed there would be REQUIRED a force that overcomes their natural movement away from the earth to PUSH them back to the earth….co2 has no such force and obviously when released those waves simply continue their journey towards colder space as opposed to moving against that flow towards the warmer earth.
in summary to make the IR wave REVERSE its direction requires a FORCE that co2 does NOT have.
another point about the experiments they used an actual greenhouse which blocks convection, there is NO GLASS at the top of our atmosphere blocking convection, so they clearly do not match the conditions of our atmosphere…to do that requires removing the glass and using gravity to hold the gases in that small area.
In other news Bears found using local woodland for personal waste disposal .
Q How can you tell when a politician lying ?
A , Its when their mouths open .
Q How can you tell when Gore is lying?
A Check to see to if his breathing , if so then his lying .
Um…. I could be wrong, but arn’t these clinical thermometers?
You have to shake them to make the temperature go down?
So what is wrong with removing them from the flasks to get a clear picture?
Just checking all the facts.
Couldn’t you just put a small piece of dry ice into one jar, representative of the additional CO2 added to the atmosphere. Wait until it sublimates or outgasses and then conduct the experiment. Of course it would be a very, very small piece of dry ice!!
“And like most people we’d like to see the world a better place, which in this context translates into our working to reduce the risk of potentially disastrous climatic change. To do that we need to get some broadbased support, to capture the public’s imagination. That, of course, entails getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. This ‘double ethical bind’ we frequently find ourselves in cannot be solved by any formula. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. I hope that means being both.”
Clearly Gore was oblivious to the ethical bind.
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There seems to be little doubt that the experiment was fabricated, but the fundamental concept of the experiment is absurd to begin with. The greenhouse effect is operative at night. It cannot therefore be demonstrated under the conditions of the experiment as described, with the jars under heat lamps.
I applaud your efforts at taking apart this video and, having edited and shot video myself for over 25 years, I would agree. But I took it as a given that they were only doing a simulation of the experiment for illustration sake, and not suggesting this was an actual experiment, as from even a basic science perspective, the experiment is flawed. For starters of course the introduction of CO2 by tipping up the lid of the glass jar is completely an incorrect procedure. This introduces thermal transmission effects that invalidate the supposedly “identical” nature of the two jars. When introducing gas to such a container, it would have to be introduced via a very sophisticated valve, thermally isolated, so as not to transmit any heat in either direction. In addition to heat being conducted along the tube, you also would be allowing air currents to flow in or out of the jar via the opening, which one would expect might actually lower the temperature of the jar with the tube inserted.
But, like I said, I never guessed it was anything other than a crude simulation, and not supposed to be an actual experiment. Here’s a video of an actual (as opposed to a simulation) of a similar experiment, and the results are quite plain, and do show the greenhouse effects of CO2:
But truly, the greenhouse properties of CO2 are not really in question are they? The CO2 molecule absorbs certain spectrums of LW radiation (and a bit of SW too).
REPLY: “But I took it as a given that they were only doing a simulation of the experiment for illustration sake, and not suggesting this was an actual experiment, “
Sorry, not buying that. They made no disclaimer of any kind, and yet at 0:46 Bill Nye the Science guy as narrator invites people to try the experiment themselves. There’s no wiggle room in that, either it is an experiment, or it is a crude simulation or dramatization. Since they had no disclaimer, and named it as an experiment both in audio and in title, there’s no escaping the conclusion that they intended it as such.
Gore has million$ at his disposal, he hires a high priced high power NYC production firm to produce this video, yet they can’t afford a few dollars more to do the experiment correctly and show the actual results instead of fabricating the results? BOLLOCKS – Anthony
David Smith says: September 28, 2011 at 11:44 am
[…]carbon dioxide has a noticeably higher heat capacity than air. So, for a given amount of input energy, it takes longer for CO2 to heat. Air would heat faster. I wonder if they ran the experiment and, because of the difference in heat capacity, got the “wrong” result and so they monkeyed with it.
My opinion too. Besides, any hot gas would come out through the lid, while cold gas from decompression would keep coming in. Heat from the glass would be approx the same for both. They might have reached the wrong result in all likelihood, but there’s nothing better than reproducing it.
“pat says:
September 28, 2011 at 9:36 am
LOL. And who knew the ambient temperature of a cookie jar was 98F?”
It is when someone (Gore) has their hand in it. 😛
The two thermometers used in the 101 video aren’t even the same: the one on the right goes down to 35*C (there are 2 numbers left of the red 37), where as the one on the left only goes down to 36*C (or 1 number to the left of the red 37). Looking at the split screen scene we can see that both thermometers go down to 36, clearly if they are two separate thermometers, at least one of them is different from those used in the jars. Also: on further inspection the two thermometers in the jars switch places in the three different images of the 101 experiment, providing yet more evidence that the experiments were done in multiple takes.
looking for a simple explanation for my simple mind.
the one thing i do not understand , daytime earth temps v daytime moon temps, night time earth temps v night time moon temps,
it just seems to me that the earth , with its” greenhouse gases” is very efficient at keeping the planet cooler during the daytime compared to the moon and at night good at slowing down the cooling of the earth compared to the moon.
does co2 really cause any warming?
Elementary, my dear Watts. Order of the dearstalker with gold leaf clusters. Just don’t go near any waterfalls. Really fantastic work, we are all in your debt (Delingpole almost swooning!).
Hi Anthony – a remarkable piece of detective work. Would you leave this post and any followups as top posts for a while?
DR says:
September 28, 2011 at 12:13 pm
@ur momisugly Steve Mosher:
The laser experiment does not say anything about how the real world atmosphere operates, and it wouldn’t be surprising if it too were flawed.
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Then you would be wrong. I am only here talking about 1 thing and one thing only. the transmission of IR through a gas. What the little experiment shows is the effect C02 has on the transmission of IR ( not a laser ). The principles behind that lab experiment is duplicated every time you use your cell phone, al beit with energy at a different wavelength. those principle are at work when a weather radar get a return from a storm cloud. When a sensor in a heat seeking missile has to aquire a target. Those principles and that physics is at play when you use your wifi, and when a laser shoots down a missile in mid flight. That physics governs the reading of temperatures from satillites in space.
In all those devices the system relies on a certain branch of physics called radiative transfer.
A cell tower sends out a signal. Your phone receives it. How did the engineer who built that system figure out how to design those elements? Well, he had to understand how radiation interacts with the atmosphere. How does it work in the rain? what is the atmosphere made of? When Star wars engineers had to design a laser to shoot through the atmosphere they had to understand how the atmosphere would interfere with that transmission. When we built the B2 we also had to understand this physics. We had to understand it in broadband terms. The plane heats up. It gives off IR. Will that IR be detectable on the ground to somebody with a IR missile. That problem meant we had to understand the physics behind IR transmission through the real atmosphere. And test it. Lives depend upon this physics.
The science starts with a database of every type of molecule in the atmoshphere. Hitran.
Then the next step is developing a theory of how radiation will transfer through that atmosphere.
That theory is turned into a predictive model. The line by line radiative transfer code.
These models are tested and confirmed. The defense of our nation depended on them being accurate.
When you run these models they make predictions. When you test these predictions with real experiments in the real atmosphere they work. When you build devices based on this physics, they work.
C02 is not transparent to IR. We know this. We’ve measured it. you use devices on a daily basis that rely on the physics behind this being reliable.
Slightly Off-thread, but I feel this deserves a wider audience.
http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/britain-enjoys-warmest-day-of-week
Yup, we in Britain have had an official ‘Warmest Day of the Week’ – I see catastrophic storms ahead.
I’m not sure if they followed any of the other thirty-odd official ‘Warmest Day of the Week’ winners we’ve had this year; possibly those catastrophic storms passed me by, unless someone left ahose-pipe open somewhere in these (increasingly septic] isles.
Finally – well done Anthony, and the othe rposters who’ve torn SaintAl to shreds, rightly, over this.
Because scientific experiments need to be replicable.
The experiment in the video “Greenhouse effect (in a bottle) explained” that R Gates posted above is flawed since it’s not the “greenhouse effect” that is causing the temperature rise in the bottle of CO2, it’s the “Heat of Compression” of the CO2 that causes the heat rise. Poke a hole in the top of the lids and the air and co2 would have the same heat rise graph as each other. See: “Greenhouse In A Bottle-Reconsidered”, http://myweb.cableone.net/carlallen/Site/Greenhouse%20In%20A%20Bottle-Reconsidered.html.
Back in my youthful days, Don Herbert, a.k.a. “Mr Wizard” would do
his experiments live in black and white. He used two cameras,
one for general shots and pans and the other for close-ups.
There weren’t any do-overs, fancy editing, or video inserts to amplify the
scientific precept being illustrated in that day’s experiment.
The experiments were never done to provide support for a political point.
Bill Nye is not “Mr. Wizard”.
For anyone interested, there’s an even easier experiment to illustrate the principle. Water is a greenhouse gas when it’s a gas, so it should be even more so as a liquid.
Cover the bottom of a bowl with a black material, and then shine a bright (visible) light into it. The energy is absorbed at the bottom, radiated, the radiation blocked by the water and radiated back. Each layer of water on top of the previous one repeats the effect, and so you ought to get the temperature increasing very rapidly with depth. Water is 1000 times denser than air, and air contains about 5% water vapour, so the greenhouse is 20,000 times more powerful. A tub of water less than 50 cm centimetres deep contains as much “greenhouse fluid” as the entire atmosphere, and should therefore easily match its 30 C greenhouse effect.
Simply measure how much hotter the water at the bottom of the bowl is than the top.
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Rutherford said “If your experiment needs statistics, you ought to have done a better experiment.” I was taught to try to construct the experiment to make the effect being sought as big as possible. Multiplying it by 20,000 ought to make it *sooo* much easier to observe. Right?
Saying that H2O absorbs IR is no more contentious than saying CO2 does. Tyndall proved it. Does that imply everything they claim, though?
Rgates said:
“Here’s a video of an actual (as opposed to a simulation) of a similar experiment, and the results are quite plain, and do show the greenhouse effects of CO2:”
That is why you have no credibility. That does not show a greenhouse effect.
Anthony, I suspect you may have unintentionally misdirected everyone by suggesting 1:00 – 1:20 as I’m amazed no-one’s mentioned the carbon dioxide cylinder at about 1:23/1:24 where the hose has miraculously wrapped itself round the cylinder a couple of times.
Oh aye, I should also say ‘excellent work/good spot’, I’d never have noticed even if I could have been arsed to watch the damned thing in the first place.
This same basic experiment was done by a pretend grad student at the University of Bremen in Germany in 2009. the below information was found wrong with that experiment. Most of this shows what is scientificly wrong with both experiments- Basicly the experiment proves the “greenhouse effect” which is demonstrated millions of times a day in real greenhouses and cars. The experiment does not prove the existence of the atmospheric “greenhouse gas effect”.
1. Are the two containers the same size, shape and type of glass? Different types of glass
absorb different wave lengths of IR and heat up differently.
2. Where are the thermometers located relative to the light? Are they in the light path
were they would absorb some of the IR thus skewing the data.
3. If the greenhouse gas effect exists there should be a different temperature of the black
cardboard in the CO2 container. The temperature was not measured therefore this
experiment only illustrates that the CO2 heats up. Does it heat from absorption or from
conduction of different heating of the container?
4. Was the experiment done with other “greenhouse gases?” as CH4 butane, natural
cooking gas, Nitrogen trifloride ?
5. Did the experimenters reverse the gases to the other container to evaluate differences
in the set-up.?
6. Was more than one set of test done? Is there more data to evaluate?
7. Did you monitor the temperature of the water in the trays? If the trays are in contact
with the gases there is conduction of heat from the bottom of the glass trays to the gases.
8. I can not be sure from the photos but it appears that the top of C1 container is closed ,if
this is true then you have created a confined space heating container (greenhouse effect).
It has been proved by R.W. Wood and others that the heating in a greenhouse is caused
by the restriction of heat convection and not back radiation of IR. The top of C2 appears
open thus keeping the temperature lower by convection. Good job of cheating..
9. What you have shown is what has been known from IR spectroscopes that different
gases absorb different wave lengths of IR.
10. I have done a similar experiment except I used clear Mylar balloons (very little or no
absorption of IR as opposed to glass) Based on IR thermometer reading and available
data on IR absorption by glass much of the heating in the experiment was from the glass.
This was not measured in the experiment. By using Mylar balloons in bright sunlight
there was no heating of the gases inside 4 balloons above ambient temperature (measured
with an IR thermometer reading to O.1 degrees F. The contents were 100% CO2, 100%
butane, natural gas (CH4 and CO2) and air. The black cardboard I used did not show any
differential heating between areas in the “shadow” of the balloons compared to “unshadowed”
areas –no back radiation from the “greenhouse gas effect” The black
cardboard did increase in temperature from ambient of 95 degree F to 175 degree F.
uniformly across the surface.
11. If the greenhouse gas effect exist why hasn’t it been applied to something useful like
thermo pane window filled with a “greenhouse gas” that would back radiate IR into the
house and create insulated windows with R=30 values.
You ask the question “Why can it be warmer at night than during the day? Any
elementary school students that can read a weather report know that daily temperature are
effected by hot or cold air masses moving across the area. It is also obvious that
on a clear night the temperature will cool down much faster that on a cloudy night. Water
is not a greenhouse gas in spite of what many people say- it has known properties that
explain temperature differences 24/7/365. There is no back radiation –there is reflection
of light or blockage of light(clouds) energy release as lightening and other thermo effects
that are within the Laws of physics and thermodynamic.
When you find reliable experimental data that proves that the “greenhouse gas effect
exists please share it with the world.
In the mean time read “Falsification of the Atmospheric CO2 greenhouse effects within
the frame of Physics” by Gerhard Gerlich and Ralf D. Tscheuschner and when you
understand it in five or ten years( a PhD level –way above your level of intelligence) and
the global temperature has dropped by the 0.6 degrees that it has gone up over the passed
120year you will realize that man-made global warming is a hoax.
Posted by: cleanwater | May 14, 2009 3:09 PM
Somewhere in my files are the comments on the fake Climate 101 experiment.
Write this down:
The sun heats the ocean. The ocean heats the air.
You want to know why the air gets cooler as distance from the surface of the ocean increases? It’s because the temperature of the ocean surface is 288K, the temperature of the empty cosmos is 3K, and a layer of air separates the two of them. WTF do you expect the temperature of air to do as you move away from the warmer thing towards the colder thing?
Like DUH. I often wonder if someone made up that silly crap about compressional heating of the atmosphere as a test of some sort because only an physics illiterate wouldn’t see right through it.
You want to know why Venus’ surface is hotter than some shallow thinkers might imagine it should be? It’s because the planet has a molten mantle like the earth but unlike the earth it has a very very thick atmosphere that retains the heat from the mantle and lets it build up in the crustal rock to a much higher degree than it does on earth. See, on the earth, the top of the crust has just a thin layer of transparent air between it and the cold of outer space. So once the heat from the mantle works its way up through the crust it can quickly escape at the surface. The same heat works its way up through the crust on Venus but there it encounters an heavily insulating atmosphere (think of it as having a R-factor hundreds of times higher than the earths) so the rocks at the surface can’t cool as quickly.
Word yo.
Forget about what the narrator says about gravitational heating.
Are you doubting his experiment? Are you doubting that a closed container heats more when excess pressure isn’t allowed to escape?
It seems to me that by allowing molecules to escape the jar fewer molecules are available for collisions with the mercury in the thermometer – hence less warming.