Video analysis and scene replication suggests that Al Gore's Climate Reality Project fabricated their Climate 101 video "Simple Experiment"

UPDATE2 10/18/2011 – The experiment has been replicated several ways, see:

Replicating Al Gore’s Climate 101 video experiment shows that his “high school physics” could never work as advertised

UPDATE: New images added prove without a doubt the faked split screen. See below.

It has been over a week now since the Gore-a-thon aka “24 hours of climate reality”. The front page of the Climate Reality Project has changed from “live mode” to offering clips of video shown during the 24 hour presentation. Note the circled video on the front page below Mr. Gore. I’ve discovered that by watching carefully it reveals an “inconvenient truth” of the worst kind.

Analysis of this “Climate 101” video highlighted on Mr. Gore’s website is something I’ve been working on for the past week and a half. It has been carefully reviewed (with video graphics tools) and has been inspected by a number of science, engineering, and television professionals I’ve had review the video, my video captures, annotations, and writeup to be certain I have not missed anything or come to an erroneous conclusion. It also took me awhile to locate and get the items shipped to me to do the work I needed before I wrote this article. Now that I have them, and have done some simple replications to confirm my suspicions, I can write about them while presenting corroborating photographic evidence.

First, I wish to direct your attention to this video, produced by Al Gore’s Climate Reality Project titled “Climate 101”.  I direct your attention to the 1 minute mark, lasting through 1:20. I suggest you click on the little X-arrow icon to expand full screen of the right of the slider tool bar, since this video is in high-definition and the details of my concerns require that higher resolution to view them properly.

It is worth watching a couple of times to get fully familiar with the sequence.

I’ve been in television broadcasting for over 20 years, and I’m quite familiar with editing tricks, I think I spotted more than a few in the video.

There are five scenes that appear, each an edit in that 20 second span of video during which an experiment is set up which supposedly demonstrates that CO2 in a heated jar causes that jar to be warmer than a second heated jar with ambient air in it.

In that 20 second span, I looked for things that changed, indicating that it wasn’t done in a continuous shot. I found evidence that the scene was changed at least three times, suggesting multiple takes.

The giveaways were that I saw objects change in the scene, most notably the CO2 tank, which has three different rotation positions. See the video captures from the Climate 101 video below, with my annotations. Note the position of the safety valve (1) and the label (2) change (click images for HD resolution):

Climate 101 scene @1:01 –

Climate 101 scene @1:05 –

Climate 101 scene @1:09 –

(UPDATE 10:27AM : spotted by commenter “mkelly” – note the thermometers are reversed in the 1:05 video capture versus the 1:09 video capture – note the green card mark on the thermometer scale as explained further in the story) So clearly, this wasn’t done in one take. By itself, there’s nothing wrong with that, but it did make me wonder why for such a simple sequence (putting the tube in the jar) they had to have three separate edits.

Such a simple thing could surely have been accomplished in a single take. All they would have had to do was zoom the camera in/out as the actor did the work, then take the appropriate scenes from the single shot to the final cut. They could have done several continuous takes and chosen the best one, it just seemed odd they had to keep moving/rotating the bottle to do it. It made me wonder if the experiment maybe didn’t go so well and they had to keep trying it.

These scene discontinuities made me curious, and it made me look further to see what else might have been edited in such a way to reveal that what looks like a continuous flow of scenes…actually isn’t.

I’m glad I did.

Now I know there will be lots of arguments about whether this experiment is a valid test of CO2 greenhouse theory or not. It is deceptively simple, and it fits with the claims of it is “high school physics” made by Al Gore and others before and during the 24 hour Climate Reality Project. His specific claim was:

“The deniers claim that it’s some kind of hoax and that the global scientific community is lying to people,” he said. “It’s not a hoax, it’s high school physics.” – Al Gore in an interview with MNN 9/14/2011

Let’s put the arguments about applicability of the experiment aside for the moment, and just concentrate on what was presented in the experiment section of the video, because there is plenty to look at in the video with a skeptical eye.

One thing that caught my eye after I noticed the edits with the CO2 tank positions changing was the split screen scene with the thermometers side by side, one with temperature rising faster than the other. It is located starting at 1:10 in the video continuing to 1:17 it is the longest “continuous” scene in experiment section of the video, though we all know that thermometers don’t jump up in spurts like that.

I figured at first they just cut down a longer continuous scene, done with two cameras, so that it fit into the time allotted and then rotated from horizontal and edited them in split screen, which are tried and true techniques, and there’s nothing wrong with doing that.

But thanks to the fact that this was shot in HD video, and because I was able to expand the video to full resolution outside of the web page format bounding, I noticed something that gave me reason to doubt the veracity of this section of video. I suspected it had been faked, but it would take me some time and materials to prove it.

One thing that struck me was how clean the image of the two thermometers was. Remember this is an experiment where the two thermometers are placed inside two glass jars. A proper experimental procedure would be to film them while they are inside of the jars, experiencing the conditions of the experiment, in fact, they were presented just like that with a closeup at 1:02 in the video, you can actually read the thermometer scale:

Note this video capture at 1:02 looks quite different from the video at 1:17 showing the thermometers split screen. There are several differences:

1. Throughout the video from 1:00 to 1:20, the thermometers in the jar are shown horizontal, the split screen at 1:17 shows the thermometers vertical.

2. There’s a greenish-yellow background in the split screen at 1:10 to 1:17 which isn’t seen anywhere else in the experiment video at all.

3. The split screen thermometer scene has not a hint of the optical distortion seen at 1:02 in the video. Note that the thermometer scale is distorted by the glass, and if you look closely by expanding the video capture above to full resolution by clicking on it, you’ll see that the tick marks are distorted differently all along the scale. This is what you would expect from thick glass like the jar is made of.

I considered these possibilities for each point above:

1. That was editing to show the thermometers side by side, perfectly acceptable if the edit was done from combining two separate video streams filmed simultaneously on two cameras while the temperature was rising inside the jar. Cutting down the time is also acceptable, which would account for the “spurts”

2. They may have placed a paper or cardboard background behind the thermometers while filming in the jars to make the scales more visible and to remove visual clutter, but didn’t show it in the video. While using such backgrounds is understandable, not showing that you have done so is a bit of a no-no, but it isn’t a deal killer.

3. While I thought about it a lot, I couldn’t reconcile the glass caused optical distortion issue. Why was it missing from the split screen thermometer scene? I decided I couldn’t  answer the question without getting my hands on the objects and re-creating the optical situation with a camera.

That took some doing, because Al’s “high school physics” experiment didn’t come with a bill of materials and list of suppliers. So, in my spare time I started looking for the jars, the thermometers, and the globes so that I could exactly recreate the experiment scene.

I found them all, thanks to Google visual image search and Ebay.

Replicating the scene – materials:

Anchor Hocking Cookie Jar with Lid http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodde.asp?SKU=187543

Geratherm Oral Thermometer Non-Mercury

http://www.pocketnurse.com/Geratherm-Oral-Thermometer-Non-Mercury/productinfo/06-74-5826/

Globe Coin Bank

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150661053386

It took a few days for everything to arrive from the three different suppliers, here they are all together on my desk at work, I actually bought two sets:

What I wanted to do was to recreate the closeup shot like we see in the video at 1:02 to see if I saw similar optical distortions, then see if there was any way that I could get a clear closeup view of the thermometer scale like we see in the split screen at 1:10-1:17.

My theory was that the thermometers aren’t actually in the jar when they were photographed for the split screen.

Checking for optical aberrations:

I used a piece of double-sided foam tape to affix the thermometer:

Here’s a closeup of the thermometer affixed to the globe. Note how clear and distortion free the scale is.

Here’s my attempts at photography of the thermometer inside the jar. I had a lot of trouble getting focused on the thermometer scale due to the autofocus mechanism being distracted by the glass which is in the foreground. Note that you can see the optical aberrations caused by the glass on the thermometer scale. The scale is not straight and the tick marks are also distorted.

Here’s another photo – I could not get the macro view focus right due to the glass confusing the autofocus sensor:

I decided that my camera was inadequate for this particular task, so I called in a someone who has a professional camera with a high quality professional lens capable of manual focus and macro function. It is a far cry from my little Kodak Easy Share Z1012 used to make the photos above:

  • Camera – Canon 1D Mark IV
  • Lens – Canon MACRO 100mm 1:2.8 L IS USM

Just as I did with my clunky little Kodak camera, the photographer had a lot of trouble getting a clear shot through the glass. Below is a collection of shots done by that photographer at different distances and focus settings on the professional camera. Note that I also rotated the jar to see is different sections made anything clearer. Click any thumbnail to enlarge it (warning large download ~ 10MB each)

The professional photography setup also could not capture an image through the glass jar that looked as clear as what was shown by my photo with the thermometer outside the glass, or as clear as the split screen images presented in the Climate 101 video from 1:10 to 1:17. I invite readers to inspect the images above carefully, examine the EXIF data of the unedited original JPEG images presented at the native resolution of the Canon 1D camera at 4296×3264 pixels and examine for yourselves if it is possible to shoot the thermometer scale through the glass and get an image that is free from any distortions.

Neither I nor the professional photographer could get a clear image through the jar glass that matched the clarity of the thermometer scales seen in the split screen, so I am forced to conclude that in the split screen scene from 1:10 to 1:17 on the Climate 101 video, the thermometers are not in the jars.

But wait, there’s more.

The background behind the thermometers:

Remember point 2 above where I was concerned about the greenish-yellow background in the split screen at 1:10 to 1:17 which isn’t seen anywhere else in the experiment video from 1:00 to 1:20? Well, there’s something odd about that too. The background appears identical in both sides of the split screen. What first tipped me off was a speck on the thermometer.

Here’s a video capture from the start of the split screen sequence. I’ve highlighted something I found curious, a speck on the thermometer scale that appears on both thermometers:

At first I thought it was dust, but then I realized that wasn’t possible, as dust would NOT appear identically on both thermometers in the split screen. I surmised it might be a manufacturing defect, printed on the scale. Fortunately, I have two thermometers from the same manufacturer that I can compare to. Here’s my closeup of them:

Nope, no speck, so it isn’t a manufacturing defect common to all thermometers.

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Side note: Note above in the thermometer closeup how the scales are offset, this is due to the manufacturer hand calibrating these glass thermometers by trimming the card with the scale printed on it so 98.6 lines up with the top of the fluid line when the thermometers are placed in the temperature test well. Glassblowing is an inexact science, and each thermometer must be calibrated by a technician, then sealed. You can see how the cards don’t match here:

We can see this in the Climate 101 video also:

The green section of the card for the scale is clearly different lengths as part of the trimming process for calibration, so clearly we have two different thermometers.

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OK, back to the main issue.

In addition to the identical speck on the two thermometer scales, I noted several other identical specks and aberrations in the split screen video. I’ve listed them by number on two video captures below from two different times in the video (click images to enlarge for best viewing):

Climate 101 video @1:10 –

Climate 101 video @1:16 –

I have 8 labeled points that are identical between each frame @1:10 and @ 1:16 In fact they are identical on every video frame from 1:10 to 1:17. The only thing that changes is the blue liquid in the thermometer tube.

  1. Dots on left top glass edge match exactly
  2. Speck on right top glass edge matches exactly
  3. Smudge/discoloration near number “38” on scale matches exactly
  4. Speck in background matches exactly
  5. Speck near number 98 on scale matches exactly
  6. Tick mark pattern near number “36” matches exactly
  7. Smudge in background matches exactly
  8. Reflective highlight in glass tube matches exactly
  9. While not numbered, note how the background shading matches exactly

Conclusions

With 9 points of agreement between the two images through all video frames there is only one possible conclusion:

The split screen is showing the same piece of video, shot by a single camera and edited to make it appear as two separate pieces of video with two separate thermometers. All that is required is to apply edits along different portions of the timeline. It is the same video shot by the same camera on each side of the split screen.

Summary of what was discovered:

  1. The video of the experiment showing filling of the jar with CO2 was shot in multiple takes because the CO2 cylinder has three different positions between 1:00 and 1:10. It suggests the experiment didn’t go smoothly and had to be repeated.
  2. The thermometers in the split screen appear not to have been filmed through the glass of the jars, because the split screen video contains no optical aberrations of any kind. Neither myself nor the photographer with professional gear was able to get clear shots through the jar glass that equaled the clarity of the thermometer scales shown in the split screen video. This strongly suggests the thermometers were never in the jars for the split screen video showing temperature rise.
  3. The greenish-yellow background in the split screen at 1:10 to 1:17 isn’t seen anywhere else in the experiment video at all, and not in the jars, suggesting it was used only for that scene, which also suggests the thermometers were never in the jars for the split screen video sequence.
  4. The video of the split screen shows two identical backgrounds, and two identical thermometers with 9 points of exact agreement in the backgrounds and the thermometers. Clearly the split screen contains two copies of the same video from one camera, edited in the timeline to make the liquid in the thermometer rise at different rates.

The only conclusion one can make from these four points is that the video of the “simple experiment” is a complete fabrication done in post production.

I’ve double checked my work, and I’ve had other people look at this video and the points I make and they see the same issues. They concur the video of the experiment was fabricated using editing techniques too.

While everyone can make mistakes (I know, I’ve made some big ones myself), this isn’t a case of a simple mistake, its a production that had to have been screened and approved before releasing it. It is mind blowing that this video, which was intended to be shown to millions of people (recall that Mr. Gore’s claim was 8.6 million views), was not clearly identified as an illustration or artistic license and not a true record of an experiment if that was their intent. Yet, they invite viewers to try replicating it themselves.

This level of fabrication on something that is so simple makes me wonder. Mr. Gore claimed in the MNN interview on 9/14 that:

“It’s not a hoax, it’s high school physics.”

Why then, does Mr. Gore’s organization go to such lengths to fabricate the presentation of the “simple high school physics experiment” they say proves the issue in that venue? Perhaps they couldn’t get the experiment to work properly using the materials chosen?  Maybe it might not be so easy to perform at home after all? Maybe a few controls are necessary such as the Mythbusters team used in the video below. Why else would they need to fake it in post?

Even if Mr. Gore and his team wanted to claim “artistic license” for editing the video for the experiment, why would they do so if it is so easy to replicate and do yourself? The narrator, Bill Nye the Science Guy actually invites people to do so at about 0:46 in the video. Why not simply do the experiment and record the results for all to see? Of course a one word lower third caption on the video at that point saying “DRAMATIZATION” would be all that was needed to separate a real experiment from one fabricated in post production – but they didn’t do that. I’ve watched the film several times, checked the audio, and the credits at the end. There is no mention nor notice of any dramatization regarding the “simple experiment” segment that I can find.

If Mr. Gore’s team actually performed the experiment and has credible video documenting the success of his simple “high school physics” exercise, I suggest that in the interest of clarity, now is the time to make it available.

About the experiment:

So far all I’ve concentrated on is the stagecraft I observed. It’s clearly obvious that the split screen scene with thermometers was not filmed inside the cookie jars. I’ve established that it is a staged production from start to finish and the split screen of two thermometers but was edited from a continuous video of a single thermometer with temperature rising then frame sequences were inserted out of order to compose each side of the split screen.

Of course the whole Climate 101 CO2 experiment is questionable to begin with, because it doesn’t properly emulate the physical mechanisms involved in heating our planet. Note the heat lamps used, likely one of these based on the red color we see in the lamp fixture:

Heat lamps like this produce visible red light and short wave infrared (SWIR is 1.4-3 µm wavelength). As we know from the classic greenhouse effect, glass blocks infrared so none of the SWIR was making it into the cookie jar. All that would do is heat the glass. John Tyndall’s 1850’s experiments used rock salt windows, which transmit infrared, for exactly that reason. Adding insult to injury, CO2 has no SWIR absorption bands. What CO2 does have though is higher density than air. The gas in the cookie jars was primarily heated by conduction in contact with the SWIR-heated glass.

Moreover, the CO2 injection in one cookie jar would raise it from 0.04% CO2 to very near 100% CO2 which is hardly comparable to the atmosphere going from 0.03% to 0.04% CO2 during the industrial age. Gore’s team provides no indication of the concentration of CO2 in the jar, that’s hardly scientific. Here’s how current greenhouse theory works:

Graphic by Ira Glickstein, PhD. for WUWT - click image for source article

All that said, in principle it does demonstrate that CO2 absorbs long wave infrared (LWIR 8–15 µm). Energy would likely be transmitted into the gas through conduction with the heated glass (which would likely get very hot) and it would then re-radiate inside the cookie jar as LWIR, and cause the CO2 jar to heat up faster and higher. But this is hardly news. The LWIR absorptive characteristics of many different gases under different pressures and mixtures was experimentally verified in thousands of experiments performed by Tyndall 150 years ago.

With this apparatus Tyndall observed new chemical reactions produced by high frequency light waves acting on certain vapors. The main scientific interest here, from his point of view, was the additional hard data it lent to the grand question of the mechanism by which molecules absorb radiant energy. Image: Wikipedia

This characteristic of CO2 is the theory of operation for millions of CO2 sensors routinely employed in commercial buildings with high occupancy rates to determine when ventilation fans should turn on and off to exhaust the CO2 buildup from a lot of people breathing the same air in a confined space.

So while some might say the stagecraft involved in the Climate 101 presentation wasn’t dishonest it was most assuredly staged with great literary license and dramatization of an effect that was experimentally verified elsewhere with far greater precision and attention to replicating the real world.

I should make it clear that I’m not doubting that CO2 has a positive radiative heating effect in our atmosphere, due to LWIR re-radiation, that is well established by science. What I am saying is that Mr. Gore’s Climate Reality Project did a poor job of demonstrating an experiment, so poor in fact that they had to fabricate portions of the presentation, and that the experiment itself (if they actually did it, we can’t tell) would show a completely different physical mechanism than what actually occurs in our atmosphere.

If Mr. Gore wants to convince the world, he’d do far better at emulating the Mythbusters TV show; show all the materials, steps, measurement, and results like they do.

As it stands, the video fabrications in the “simple experiment” by Mr. Gore’s Climate Reality Project is no better than the stagecraft done by Senator Tim Wirth turning off the air conditioning (to make it hot in the room) when Dr. James Hansen testified before lawmakers in June 1988 about CO2 being a problem.

The public, and especially young budding scientific minds, deserve better than stagecraft.

Of course LWIR radiative CO2 heat retention is only a small part of the global warming issue. There are still raging debates over climate sensitivity, uncertainty, feedbacks, and most recently whether clouds provide positive or negative feedbacks in our atmosphere.

But from my point of view, if everything is so certain, the science so settled, why does Mr. Gore resort to these cheap stagecraft tricks to convince people?

UPDATE: In comments, Mariss Freimanis runs a Photoshop difference analysis, proving the split screen image is the same. He emailed his analysis to me, shown below.

analysis_before
analysis_right_thermo

From Mariss

1) I have attached ‘analysis_before’ which is a cropped shot of your original with it’s circles and arrows.

2) The ‘analysis_right_thermo’ is the right thermometer overlaid already positioned to overlay the the left thermometer.

3) The ‘image_analysis_after’ shows the results of subtracting away the right overlay from the underlying left image.

Comments:

1) The  attached jpegs are reasonably sized in the sense that they don’t throw away any information. The ‘after’ image black area still contains some residual ‘non-black’ background noise from the subtraction process. This is largely due to my choice of a times-4 repixelation of the original. The image offset was not precisely 0.25 pixels so it reflects some residual image alignment errors.

2) This method reveals minute differences between two images. For the background to be as featureless as it is, it requires both thermometer’s reflections to be identically lit from the exact same light source angle (parallel ray source), their seemingly identical mottled green backgrounds to actually be identical and of course, the thermometers would have to have exactly the same ‘fingerprint’ flaws. It would take one hell of a telephoto lens to see both thermometers from exactly the same perspective. This is inconceivable.

3) The 0.25 pixel offset drift is significant because it reveals the same thermometer was used to sequentially film the composite image. Little things change with time such as thermal expansion. It marks the passage of time. That drift indicates they weren’t filmed simultaneously.

For those that might be concerned about the images above not being full resolution HD and having annotations, here’s the before and after difference image at 1:17 in the video:

original video capture - click to enlarge
difference process run at full resolution - click to enlarge

Note the only thing that changes is the fluid level and the reflection of it (thin line to the right) in the glass tube. This proves the “result” split screen is the same image, not two thermometers showing results.

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September 29, 2011 2:37 am

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Julian Braggins says:
September 29, 2011 at 1:40 am
Gases only heat up as they undergoing compression or expansion. The earth’s atmosphere has essentially static pressure at any one point. For it to heat up from gravitational compression the force of gravity must be constantly increasing otherwise when the pressure goes static there is no further temperature increase.
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I had family that lived in Chinook, a north, central Montana town. During the winter they would sometimes get warm winds down from the Rockies–Chinook winds. I believe such winds are called Foehn winds. These are winds that descend the leeward side of mountains and heat up adiabatically.
Of course, the usual winter temperatures there were such that you wouldn’t want to stick your tongue on a flagpole.
Jim

oblongau
September 29, 2011 2:40 am

There was shoddy work (to say the least) in “An Inconvienient Truth”. Here’s a screenshot (I’ve added the vertical guides:
http://dominion-data.com/ait/chart-guides.jpg
Note that time goes backwards!
(original without the guides: http://dominion-data.com/ait/chart.jpg)

John Marshall
September 29, 2011 2:42 am

CO2 reacts to IR by adsorbing some energy and getting warmer. This will reduce the total energy of the energy flow that reacted with that CO2. As soon as the CO2 gets warmer it will transfer energy to gas molecules that are cooler, standard heat flow. Warmer air, containing that CO2 will rise, convect, cooling as it goes adiabatically.
The experiment shows that CO2 reacts with IR radiation not what happens in the atmosphere. It does not prove AGW or that a greenhouse effect is a correct theory. Our atmosphere has a certain depth, varying with the conditions, but that depth has a mass which does much of the heating adiabatically, use of the combined gas laws will confirm that this happens.
Venus has a very dense atmosphere due to its being composed mainly of CO2 and this extra mass gives the higher surface temperature on that planet. Again the combined gas laws confirm this.
So to maintain this ‘normal’ surface temperature of 18C, the so called average, all we need is a mass od gas and adiabatic heating not any non functioning greenhouse effect.

RACookPE1978
Editor
September 29, 2011 2:51 am

Rolf Atkinson says:
September 29, 2011 at 2:36 am

I agree 100% with Regieman, Samphire, RGates and Mosher on this one.

Bottom line: A correctly performed experiment (not with that Mickey Mouse set up) does indeed show that CO2 performs as advertised. Apart from the odd scientific illiterate, everybody reading this knows that until CO2 is taken up by the deep ocean, the extra 100ppm currently in the atmosphere contributes half a degree or so (Celsius) on average. That is the bit that Gore, IPCC and successive governments here in the UK point at when they say “The science is settled” and in that limited sense they are right. Arguing against that just makes skeptics look stupid.

False.
Since the current warming is less than 1/3 of one degree from the 1970’s baseline, and since the consensus +100 ppm CO2 from man’s activities has occurred since about the 1950’s, you cannot claim that one half degree warming is due to man’s influence. I will grant perhaps 1/10 of one degree. Max.
Temp’s have risen, been steady, and fallen while CO2 has been steady.
Temp’s have risen, been steady, and fallen while CO2 has risen.
You cannot conclude “the science is settled” at any point in the debate.

tobyglyn
September 29, 2011 3:07 am

Rolf Atkinson says:
September 29, 2011 at 2:36 am
“It has brought out the worst in a lot of people, including Lord Monckton, whose Bishop Hill blog is also a favourite.”
You are a little confused here. 🙂

old44
September 29, 2011 3:35 am

How did you miss the 18 inch move to the left by the jar containing air and the 2 foot leap to the left by the CO2 jar. At 1:08 the CO2 jar is aligned in the first scene with the right-hand side of the window pane and the “Scientist’s” left arm and the jar containing air is in alignment with his right arm and a clear gap to the TV and Planet light. At 1:17 the centreline of the large globe is positioned to the left of where the right-hand side of the CO2 jar was, the CO2 jar is now behind the jar containing air and under the Planet light and the TV is mostly obscured. The alignment of the heating lamps has rotated and the thermometers showing the temperature rise are no longer sitting on the small globes.That and too many other differences to mention, looks like the science in this experiment is as shonky as the rest of the AGW scare.

cedarhill
September 29, 2011 3:37 am

Great for my tomatoes inside a barrier. Would have been a better experiment if they’d have put a near zero degree Kelvin heat sink on the side away from the light. Oh, and set up some sort of force field to contain their unique atmosphere. Oh, oh, and used CERN’s equipment and (as others noted) some water vapor to create clouds to reflect the light. Oh, oh, oh, and….

Jay
September 29, 2011 3:42 am

George E. Smith says:
“Well Jay, if you don’t understand even 4H club Physics; let alone 8th grade high school Physics, why do you come here and spout nonsense; that simply misinforms people who seriously come here to learn something that perhaps is NOT their specialty. You do nobody any service.”
George, you’re absolutely right. Pressure is Force over Area. I should have said as much and then pointed out that, of course, that the interesting thing here is the force, not the area.
The force is alleged to change due to CO2, not the area.
If you really want to quibble over whether it’s okay to say that pressure is force in a throw-away blog comment or PRESSURE IS FORCE over area (not that you’re not right) as a distraction from the basic point that the ‘Greenhouse in a bottle reconsidered’ video is fundamentally wrong to assert that the temperature change is caused because CO2 allegedly exerts more pressure than other gases because it’s heavy (the pressure it exerts is identical because gases with higher molecular mass have subsequently less velocity – see Maxwell’s molecular equations) – then knock yourself out. If you think it’s appropriate for blog comments, dock me a grade and offer corrections.
But…
George says:
“As I have said many times Ignorance is NOT a disease; we are all born with it; but stupidity has to be taught; and sadly there are plenty of people willing and able to teach it.”
…Indeed.
So don’t tell me that I’m not doing you and other readers here who largely don’t have PhDs in physics and won’t necessarily know that the greenhouse in a jar reconsidered video that is being promoted in this thread is bunkum, a favor by pointing the bunkum out.

Jay
September 29, 2011 3:50 am

On compression and heat.
Lots of folks are making the point that more pressure = more heat.
That’s absolutely right. But different relative concentrations of CO2 don’t result in a change the pressure. All gases exert equal pressure at a given temperature regardless of molecular mass.

Greg
September 29, 2011 3:52 am

I think you missed the point and wasted a lot of your time. This is an information film demonstrating a simple experiment. As is normal when making a film it was edited and cut in such a way to make it entertaining and informative. It is also normal to add in different shots to help visualise an idea – as film is a visual medium. Most modern audiences understand this process and it takes nothing away from the fact that this is a replicable experiment for anyone who has access to CO2. This does not make it a ‘hoax’, this makes it a film. All you have succeeded in doing is lifting the lid on the dark art of film production. Well done, I’m sure that was a good use of your time and money.
Now, if the experiment is a fabrication that is another matter but you have not demonstrated that this experiment is false. Whether it scales up to a global scenario is debatable, but you say yourself that:
‘I’m not doubting that CO2 has a positive radiative heating effect in our atmosphere’
So i fail to see the point that is being made here. You say that the film is not a real-time record but instead is some sort of edited info-mercial. I think that you have been disingenuous in your presentation – your stress on the ‘dishonesty’ of this film seeks to paint the makers as hoaxers and liars, when in fact they have just constructed a film in the tried and tested manner (in fact the film makers were probably given a brief and asked to fulfil it in as best a way they could and are not even connected to the Climate Reality Project). Yes I am happy for there to be a debate on the science and how to combat the effects of global warming (for it is surely happening), but it should be open and honest and not seek to slander and denigrate people.
The problem with this climate conspiracy fallacy is this: what do Al Gore and all the millions of other scientists and naturalists and lay people who are persuaded of the need to cut greenhouse emissions have to gain from it?

Geoff Sherrington
September 29, 2011 4:02 am

It’s faked. The two thermometers side by side at 1.10 to 1.17 by the captions are in fact ONE thermometer with a different length of blue line to show (fakedly) a different temperature. The similarity exists to the limits of image resolution, even to reflections on the glass thermometer tube. It’s one and the same!!!
Run this in your graphics program. Select one thermometer. Make an object from it. Invert its colour, make it 50% transparent, then move it exactly over the other thermometer. If they are identical, you’ll get a uniform mid-grey on normal combination. A pixel out of place shows up as a stronger colour against the uniform grey.
Why do scientists have to fiddle?

Smoking Frog
September 29, 2011 4:03 am

Smokey says:
Yale Paper Shows That Climate Science Skeptics Are More Scientifically Educated
That explains the mass of uneducated mouth-breathers who believe Al Gore’s science fiction fantasies.

No, it doesn’t explain it. The article you’ve linked says, “… the most scientifically literate and numerate subjects were slightly less likely [emphasis mine], not more, to see climate change as a serious threat than the least scientifically literate and numerate ones.”
There are plenty of skeptic mouth-breathers, too.

Myrrh
September 29, 2011 4:03 am

David Smith says:
September 28, 2011 at 11:44 am
Anthony, in case it hasn’t been mentioned by commenters, carbon dioxide has a noticeably higher heat capacity than air. So, for a given amount of input energy, it takes longer for CO2 to heat. Air would heat faster. I wonder if they ran the experiment and, because of the difference in heat capacity, got the “wrong” result and so they monkeyed with it.
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Wrong way around. Carbon Dioxide has a lower heat capacity than air. This means that it will heat up quicker, but also important to note, it means it will cool down quicker.
The BBC experiment I recall seeing, as far as I remember, showed a jar filled with CO2 compared with a jar of ‘ordinary air’, they didn’t give a content analysis of this ‘air’. Both jars then heated the temperature of the jar full of CO2 went up considerably. This they said proved CO2 was a powerful greenhouse gas heating the Earth. They didn’t run the full experiment, which would have been to show how long it took for each to cool down. The CO2 jar would cool rapidly, carbon dioxide with its low heat capacity doesn’t hold on to heat, it releases it practically instantly, the jar of ‘air’ would have taken longer because it took longer to heat up. What this would have shown was that the jar of carbon dioxide cooled down much quicker, which in the atmosphere means it gave up its heat much quicker, and heat rises. Carbon dioxide then is adding cooling to the greenhouse.
Water has by far the greater heat capacity, it takes much longer than (iirc around three times longer) to heat up than air and consequently holds the heat energy longer. This is seen in the natural cooling of the Earth by the water cycle which takes up heat away from the surface and into the colder atmosphere where it gives up its heat in condensing out to form clouds and rain. The Earth would be 67°C without the water cycle.
The con first of all is that the meme ‘greenhouse gases heat the Earth’ is taken as a base premise. Greenhouse gases cool the Earth is the fact of it. From this con meme from AGW they can only resort to fakery and be the ‘scientist magicians’ by sleight of hand. This is fraud, a real magician doesn’t pretend that his tricks are real.
Good work Anthony.

John Day
September 29, 2011 4:12 am

Clemenzi
> Yes, water vapor is important. However, N2 and O2 are even more important.
> The atmosphere itself stores the heat that returns to the surface.
Yes, air is a good insulator, that’s why it’s used in dual pane windows. CO2 would work there too, but there’s just not enough of it to compete with N2 and O2.
> The greenhouse gases simply provide a mechanism to transfer that heat back
> to the surface.
By GHG you mean water vapor, which warms and regulates the climate here on Earth.
> While it is possible that water vapor holds more heat than the entire rest of
> the atmosphere, most of that heat is simply released to space when clouds develop.
I think it would be more accurate to say that clouds trap heat. It’s well known that cloudy nights retain the surface heat more than clear nights. Again, what is it that is missing on Mars that prevents this from happening, IN SPITE OF 30-TIMES MORE CARBON DIOXIDE?
Wahter vaypoor!
> To be clear, it is not the amount of greenhouse gases that matter ,
> but how much energy can be stored in the atmosphere that makes Mars
> so cold.
But Mars’ atmosphere is all GHG, 30 times more abundant (per unit area) than on Earth. So if it doesn’t help to keep Mars warm, then it’s clear that it helps even less on Earth. Water vapor (did I mention that Mars doesn’t have much of this?) is what keeps our planet comfortably warm.
😐

Myrrh
September 29, 2011 4:16 am

George E. Smith says:
September 28, 2011 at 11:27 am
Water (H2O) is a very good absorber of 1 micron radiation, which is why the human skin, which is mostly water records that as “heat”. In contrast, no human senses respond in any way to 10.1 micron LWIR emissions, which humans are entirely unaware of. We have to go out of our way to detect that with special instrumentation.
Nonsense. The human body is mostly water and the heat we get direct from the Sun is what warms us up internally, and we have always had a perfect instrument to measure it, our own bodies, we sweat the extra heat away..
There’s a whole industry producing thermal infrared saunas which understand the principle very well..
The fake video is the point here, AGW is always producing fake ‘science’ explanations from ‘experiments’ but it’s difficult to nail these down. It’s through such deliberate manipulation of real science by such fakery that people end up thinking that no heat, thermal infrared, even reaches us from the Sun! .. and as here, you thinking that we only feel thermal infrared on the surface of our bodies.. Where on earth did you get that from??

Ask why is it so?
September 29, 2011 4:31 am

To Anthony Watts
What were you thinking. Do you think this improves the Skeptics argument. Petty picking only lowers us to the level of the Believers. CO2 can produce heat but in the atmosphere where the laws of Thermodynamics rule, the heat produced cannot return to the surface of the earth. Why do you waste time even considering CO2 is involved in the temperature increase the earth is currently enjoying. Atmospheric molecules cannot determine the maximum temperature of the earth because the surface of the earth is the hottest part of the system. I realize how frustrating it is to breath the same air as people who are so stupid they believe CO2 causes Global Warming but it is the science that will prove us right, not pointing out how Al Gore and his cronies are manipulating the facts to make money. Unlike CO2 trapped inside a jar with no where to escape, the top of our atmosphere (troposphere) is cooler than the surface of the earth and all heat (energy) produced within the system after the conversion of short wave into long wave and entropy is forced (by the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics) to travel up. It is possible that with an increase in the density of molecules that can absorb long wave radiation (not heat) the extent of warm air may increase and the lapse rate of temperature may slow but unless molecules that can absorb short wave radiation increase to exceed the surface absorption ability of the earth they cannot set the maximum temperature per day/day light hours of the earth. Short wave sets the temperature, long wave maintains the temperature. I could be wrong, I could be right, the science will prove it either way.
On a lighter note, I get it but I just wish it didn’t have to be this way. Keep up the fight!

GixxerBoy
September 29, 2011 4:34 am

FFS, this post and the comments have been hacked, right? DO ANY OF YOU UNDERSTAND IT’S TELEVISION?? It is not any kind of ‘staged scientific experiment’. Are you all dumb? Do you not know how TV works? Jeez, this is so bad I feel like going to RC. WAKE UP PEOPLE! It’s just how sh*t is shown on a film. Advocacy – do you know how lawyers work?

Dikran Marsupial
September 29, 2011 4:40 am

This kind of dishonest is endemic in the sciences and must be stamped out!!!!!!!
here is another shocking example

and another

dont tell me that was filmed live with no fancy camera tricks!

Bruce Cobb
September 29, 2011 4:42 am

Al’s video is a pathetic attempt at propaganda, and includes both an implied straw man as well as ad hominem argument – that skeptics/climate realists deny that C02 has a greenhouse effect. But, the argument is about whether the additional 100 ppm, some part of which was probably man’s has really made much of an impact on climate, a wonderfully complex system chock-full of various influences and feedbacks, both positive and negative. So far, despite the hyperventilating and fervent wishing by Alarmists, the evidence points to no, it has had very little impact. I like how the Al Gore apologists now jump in and say “this was never meant to be an actual experiment, just a dramatization”. Sure. And Al Gore really is doing all of this “for the good of the planet”.

Beth Cooper
September 29, 2011 4:48 am

J Calvert N says there is no way that Gore’s presentation ‘ could be called an experiment-it’s a demonstration.’
No, not a demonstration, a perfidiou TRICK using (two??) thermometers with numerous identical flaws. ‘Trick’…Hmmm where have I heard that term mentioned before in climate ‘science?’
Thank you Anthony Watts, rival to Hercule Poirot, the world’s greatest detective

Mike M
September 29, 2011 4:50 am

Why is there any need for a bottle of CO2? Isn’t human breath about 40,000 ppm?

Beth Cooper
September 29, 2011 4:54 am

Like Gore’s missing second thermometer:-)

John from CA
September 29, 2011 4:58 am

Very well done Anthony,
The thermometer is the same in the side by side shots due to the cast shadows as well as the similarities you pointed out. They simply heated them differently in 2 takes and edited the takes together for the split screen.
The other thing I found was the security badge on the lab coat in 1:05 vs 1:09 and the soft focus on the coat in 1:09 which requires an f stop change. Its also odd the badge is so dark in 1:05 vs 1:09 which may imply some special effects editing.

September 29, 2011 4:58 am

Great news, great debate but for the benefit of Mr. Gates and his ilk.
Forget the science
Thats a red herring.
The Message has been wholly and substantially Falsified. End of story. start the funeral rites. The message is no more, deceased, no more existent.

Rolf Atkinson
September 29, 2011 5:03 am

RACook:
You assume that I am claiming CO2 as the only influence on temp. I’m not. Ocean cycles seem to be very important on decadal scales; and there are other forcings and feedbacks. The curve may be as squiggly as you like, but the CO2 theory is sound in itself.
You also assume that I am claiming that the extra 100ppm of CO2 is necessarily anthropogenic. Not so. I think the arguments for short residence time (<10y) are not easily dismissed, so it is not yet clear whether the CO2 increase is a forcing or a feedback – or, likely, a bit of both.
Anyway, a climate with dozens of inputs is not a good way to measure the influence of CO2 definitively, as you claim. I could probably do a better job with a couple of cookie jars…

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