From the AGU today, I find they are moving the cause of ancient planetary disaster from comets impacts and volcanoes or other big events to CO2 causing acidification of the oceans, literally they have a blast from the gas, to make CO2 the villain here. Of course, it’s just another modeling exercise in uncertainty.

From Wikipedia, a clear cut case of “we don’t know“:
There are several proposed mechanisms for the extinctions; the earlier phase was likely due to gradual environmental change, while the latter phase has been argued to be due to a catastrophic event. Suggested mechanisms for the latter include large or multiple bolide impact events, increased volcanism, and sudden release of methane clathrate from the sea floor; gradual changes include sea-level change, anoxia, increasing aridity, and a shift in ocean circulation driven by climate change.
From the AGU Highlights:
1. Was ocean acidification responsible for history’s greatest extinction?
Two hundred and fifty million years ago, the world suffered the greatest recorded extinction of all time. More than 90 percent of marine animals and a majority of terrestrial species disappeared, yet the cause of the Permian-Triassic boundary (PTB) die-off remains unknown. Various theories abound, with most focusing on rampant Siberian volcanism and its potential consequences: global warming, carbon dioxide poisoning, ocean acidification, or the severe drawdown of oceanic dissolved oxygen levels, also known as anoxia.
To narrow down the range of possible causes, Montenegro et al. ran climate simulations for the PTB using the University of Victoria Earth System Climate Model, a carbon cycle-climate coupled general circulation model. The model’s highlights include dynamic representations of terrestrial vegetation, ocean carbon fluxes, and net primary production. The researchers ran nine simulations, using three different concentrations of atmospheric carbon dioxide, three modes of ocean floor topography, and two competing theories for the geography of the time.
The authors find that varying the ocean floor topography by adding deep ocean ridges increases the strength of the Meridional Overturning Circulation (MOC) – a convective cycle that mixes ocean waters. Also, the presence of the MOC was not abated by elevated atmospheric carbon dioxide as was found in previous research, suggesting that the ocean would have been well mixed and well oxygenated, restricting the chances of widespread deep ocean anoxia.
Further, the researchers find that if atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations were 3000 parts per million by volume or higher, fitting within estimates for the Permian-Triassic boundary, the ocean pH would have been 7.34 or lower. At those levels, the authors say the ocean’s acidity would have had significant negative impacts on mollusks, corals, and other species that rely on oceanic calcium carbonate, suggesting ocean acidification may have been the main culprit in the Permian-Triassic boundary extinction.
Source: Paleoceanography, doi:10.1029/2010PA002058, 2011 http://dx.doi.org/10.1029/2010PA002058
Title: Climate simulations of the Permian-Triassic boundary: Ocean acidification and the extinction event
Authors: A. Montenegro: Department of Earth Sciences, St. Francis Xavier University, Antigonish, Nova Scotia, Canada, and Environmental Sciences Research Centre, St. Francis Xavier University, Antigonish, Nova Scotia, Canada;
P. Spence and K. J. Meissner: Climate Change Research Centre, University of New South Wales, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia;
M. J. Melchin: Department of Earth Sciences, St. Francis Xavier University, Antigonish, Nova Scotia, Canada;
M. Eby and S. T. Johnston: School of Earth and Ocean Sciences, University of Victoria, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada.
How does a slightly acidic sea kill most of the life on land? Whatever happened, it would have had to have had a serious impact on both land and earth. I dont think 3000ppm co2 would have killed plants and dinosaurs!
Oh, by the way, LazyTeenager, I was once the smartest person in the room, and knew everything that my elders didn’t. I was wrong. If you truly are a teenager, then at best, you have taken Freshman-level collegiate science courses and think you know everything. At the sophomore level, of engineering, physics, or anything other than lab-scale chemistry. you learn this:
9 chances out of 10: You don’t know what you are trying to find out.
You can get a decent estimate
This estimate involves a lot of assumptions
Removing each assumption can take an entire class of learning. Thermodynamics 2 is entirely about removing the “ideal gas” and “ideal liquids” assumption.
Some assumptions cannot be removed on large scales without absurd levels of calculations.
If you don’t know something, you can parameterize it, but while that makes things faster and works acceptably, it only works within narrow confines, and it runs upon the largest assumption of all, that you are right.
There are many rules of design engineering, but the first is this: “Your model is wrong”, and the last is “You are an idiot”. All other rules in between can be proven false, but if you ever put too much faith in your model or your genius, you WILL get people killed. This is where Climate modeling lost its grip on reality, and they have gotten people killed.
Mark Hladik says:
August 31, 2011 at 6:16 pm
One correction to phlogiston (31 August 2011, 3:42):
One phylum of invertebrate evolved in the Ordovician: the Bryzoa.
Fair enough.
Geoff Sherrington says:
August 31, 2011 at 9:06 pm
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I suspect it is hard to find these figues, reproduced here from my little web site http://www.geoffstuff.com/OceanpH.jpg
because the vast mass of the ocean has a pH closer to 7.4 than to 8.0 or 8.1. A little upwelling will bring surface acidification independent of the CO2 levels of today, though the system is dynamic and some further changes happen.
This is important – since deeper ocean water has a lower pH, then any surface observed decrease in pH might be due to increased upwelling and vertical mixing, and unrelated to the atmosphere.
We should question our acceptance of the idea that there is any relationship at all between atmospheric and ocean CO2 concentration. How much (kg) CO2 is in the atmosphere? How much is in the ocean? I suspect the latter is far greater than the former.
Is there any actual evidence (NOT model simulation) that oceanic pH was different in the Cambrian / early Phanerozoic to now?
Geoff Sherrington says:
August 31, 2011 at 9:06 pm
Thanks Geoff, for the links on “pH with ocean depth” data! Very interesting and useful!
k winterkorn says:
August 31, 2011 at 3:50 pm
Does anyone else object, as I do, to the use of the word “find” here (as in “The researchers find……”)? The results of a model which cannot be tested against the real world are not facts. One has created these results rather than “found” them.
Bingo!
You’ve hit on something that drives me crazy about the BBC. ANYTHING that is in tune with their particular form of statist/corporatist, leftist, CAGW worldview is referred to in such terms as “X confirms”, “Y states”, “Z reports”. Words that imply accuracy, truth and, dare I say, robustness.
ANYTHING not in tune with, or contradictory to, this worldview is referred to in such terms as “X claims”, “Y supposes”, “Z speculates”. Words that imply hearsay, opinion and lack of credibility.
It’s such a common tactic among certain groups, and such a powerful tool when used against the hard-of-thinking, gullible or plain ignorant (in the nicest sense).
@LazyTeenager,
Not much of a long term ‘bank account’ in the atmosphere. The flux between atmospheric carbon and earth sources/sinks is somewhere between 150 and 200 gigatons a year, depending on what reference you use. With 750 gigatons of carbon in the atmosphere, that would amount to a roughly 5 year average dwell time of a CO2 molecule in the atmospheric ‘bank account’.
As mentioned above, oceans are particularly good at drawing from the atmosphere’s carbon bank and making huge long term deposits in sediments and limestone, deposits that are very secure.
GCRs did it.