Via email I’m getting reports that the American Tradition Institute has a CD ROM of the Mann University of Virginia emails in hand and are evaluating them.
They are in a 4.3 Megabyte file consisting of 3,827 pages.
Given the suspicious timing of the recent Mann “vindication” report (PDF) from an investigation by the National Science Foundation, I think the effort will be likely to be focused on “what wasn’t released”. Clearly there’s some PR game playing going on with timing to get a “vindication” press release out before anyone in the public has a chance to look at the emails.
ATI promises a press release later today once they have a better handle on the email release.
Given all the roadblocks that have been thrown in front of this FOIA request, IMHO. I expect them to be selected, sanitized, and possibly full of redactions. We’ll know soon.
It’s a wonder he didn’t release them on 4 x 5.25″ floppy disks
Wikileaks supports AGW – when will people realize that wikileaks is just another political hack job? They have an agenda. AGW is part of it, so they will not speak ill of their religion.
Eventually Steve M will have a lot of fun with this!
Darren Parker says:
August 25, 2011 at 1:53 am
> It’s a wonder he didn’t release them on 4 x 5.25″ floppy disks
Just because your Email may be full of photos, mpegs, copies of web pages, ASCII and HTML versions of the actual typed Email – and quoted contents of the 10 previous messages in the dialog doesn’t take away from the fact that a novel fits on a floppy disk. Uncompressed.
I’d be much more interested in a copy on my computer than the 0 bytes I currently have.
I do not know if any of you are familiar with Greg Laden’s blog, it is a strange place indeed.
This is what I posted:
I am getting a first hand look at some of the AGW crowds dishonest on this blog that Greg maintains. If such small players can’t stand the truth, then it no wonder that the ones in the big leagues are total lying, dishonest folks. It is somewhat ironic that basically this was all about honesty and now we get an example of that when some one changes a posters links. In other words, data tampering. Is that being honest?
This is what you distorted it into.
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I am getting a first hand look at some of the AGW shits dishonesty on this shit blog that Greg maintains. If such small players can’t stand the truth, then it is no wonder that the ones in the big leagues are total lying, dishonest shits. Lying shits.
Posted by: John D. Swallow | August 24, 2011 6:46 AM
http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/08/hockey_stick_data_tampering_in.php
Do you call that being honest? Is this consistent with the AGW crowd’s method of operation? It would seem so and I thank you for reinforcing this belief and you will not have to worry about blocking me because why would I want to ever visit the site of such a dishonest and ignorant person who has a degree that, along with a dollar, can get you a cup of coffee about anywhere. It is a good thing that your wife works or you would be out on the street where you probably belong.
These are the links that he substituted for the ones that appear.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1235395/SPECIAL-INVESTIGATION-Climate-change-emails-row-deepens–Russians-admit-DID-send-them.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BQpciw8suk
http://judithcurry.com/2011/02/22/hiding-the-decline/
It might be a good time to give Greg a bit of a wake up call.
@onion2
He’s hung himself in a noose of bad science.
The real story is the latest exoneration of Michael Mann by yet another team of investigators and yet there is barely a word in the tabloid blogs (think WUWT). However, there are lots and lots of words surmising the “possible” implications due to the release of emails from a Cuccinelli witch hunt. I wonder what WUWT will do when that also turns up nothing? Most likely not report that either.
BTW, has anyone else noticed that the chatter regarding the “fudged” temperature records has all but disappeared since Anthony’s mega surface station study was published. Could it be that his smoking gun turned out to be a broken water pistol? I wonder what happened all that donation money has gone that he solicited just BEFORE the results were published? There must be a few people out there in sCepticland who feel cheated.
I see Joshua has been drinking a lot of coffee…..Yer fingers are movin’ faster than the floating point can calculate….;-)
Drewski:
Only a fool would accept “exonerated” when there is no adversarial party. And there was never an adversary in any of Mann’s putative “exonerations.” They were simply Potemkin Village show trials, with the kissy-face outcome pre-determined. You are thoroughly credulous to blindly accept their set-piece conclusions.
If an adversary such as Steve McIntyre was allowed to question Michael Mann, Mann would fold like a busted flush and the whole grant-driven climate scam would be exposed, with Mann undoubtedly headed for the state penitentiary where he belongs, and UVA forced to refund its ill-gotten gains to the public treasury. If you don’t think so, let’s have an adversarial investigation. The truth will emerge, and the climate charlatans will be exposed.
48 hours and not a peep from the ATI. Just where is that press release outlining all the evil than Mann does?
REPLY: John, both principals of ATI are traveling, and if your recall (once you get past the snark on your brain) that it took several days for the original climategate emails to be analysed and hit the press.
Of course your complaint is just your usual snark, drop that MO and someday you may actually have a point – Anthony
Anthony,
Need I remind you of this line from your post: “ATI promises a press release later today once they have a better handle on the email release.”?
As far as the climategate emails go, I seem to recall that McI had a post up on the day of the release screaming about how they proved that scientists had fudged their results, etc. etc.
REPLY: Point taken, that was my interpretation of email exchange, so the fault is mine, and you take this one: Steve McIntyre doesn’t scream. And, He didn’t have anything online until two days later, and it was minimal. Your recollection is flawed, much like the agenda you embrace. – Anthony
Smokey, I thought that you would like to revisit the results of yet ANOTHER investigation.
3 February 2010: Pennsylvania State University exonerated Dr. Michael Mann of three out of four accusations, and convened a new committee to investigate the fourth accusation because it involves scientific methodology, requiring scientists to investigate it. The full report includes a more detailed “Finding” corresponding to each allegation. For brevity, only the Allegations and Decisions are quoted here.
Allegation 1: Did you engage in, or participate in, directly or indirectly, any actions with the intent to suppress or falsify data?
Decision 1: As there is no substance to this allegation, there is no basis for further examination of this allegation in the context of an investigation in the second phase of RA-10.
Allegation 2: Did you engage in, or participate in, directly or indirectly, any actions with the intent to delete, conceal or otherwise destroy emails, information and/or data, related to AR4, as suggested by Phil Jones?
Decision 2: As there is no substance to this allegation, there is no basis for further examination of this allegation in the context of an investigation in the second phase of RA-10.
Allegation 3: Did you engage in, or participate in, directly or indirectly, any misuse of privileged or confidential information available to you in your capacity as an academic scholar?
Decision 3: As there is no substance to this allegation, there is no basis for further examination of this allegation in the context of an investigation in the second phase of RA-10.
Allegation 4: Did you engage in, or participate in, directly or indirectly, any actions that seriously deviated from accepted practices within the academic community for proposing, conducting, or reporting research or other scholarly activities?
Decision 4: Given that information emerged in the form of the emails purloined from CRU in November 2009, which have raised questions in the public’s mind about Dr. Mann’s conduct of his research activity, given that this may be undermining confidence in his findings as a scientist, and given that it may be undermining public trust in science in general and climate science specifically, the inquiry committee believes an investigatory committee of faculty peers from diverse fields should be constituted under RA-10 to further consider this allegation.
In sum, the overriding sentiment of this committee, which is composed of University administrators, is that allegation #4 revolves around the question of accepted faculty conduct surrounding scientific discourse and thus merits a review by a committee of faculty scientists. Only with such a review will the academic community and other interested parties likely feel that Penn State has discharged it responsibility on this matter.
Smokey: “But, but, but, but, but, but. . . .”
Anthony,
How much money did you raise for your surface station study? How much have you kept? Why have you gone so quiet on its conclusions?
Just asking — you know in the name of transparency and all that.
Drewski,
As I stated above: “Only a fool would accept ‘exonerated’ when there is no adversarial party.”
You can have nineteen whitewashes a month, and they mean exactly nothing without an adversarial setting. Only a fool would believe Mann’s whitewashes were legitimate. They were nothing but pal review taken to another level.
Smokey,
So the congressional committee, the university, the NSF (which Inhofe, himself, thought was necessary) and the countless blogs which attempted to analyze the consistently re-accredited hockey stick are not adversarial enough for you? Which “adversarial” party was left out? What area of these investigations should they have targeted? What SPECIFIC alleged corruption was omitted from the investigations?
Smokey, I am willing to bet you all the profit that Anthony Watts pocketed from his surface station debacle that the latest email analysis will come to nothing. Are you game?
Drewski,
Yes, a scam of an investigation is just that, a scam and a whitewash. Of course you continue believing what you want bout your religion. We’ll wait and see the truth coming out step by step. You can’t fool everyone all the time.
Ventor, how on earth is the repeated exonerations of climatologists by major newspapers, the NSF, Congress, the English Parliament, multiple universities equivalent to the blind faith of religion?!? Are you a parrot with no mind of your own?
BTW, aren’t you a little curious as to what happened to all that money Anthony Watts scammed off his bloggers? The moment i saw him go begging for money ON THE DAY BEFORE he released his mega smoking gun of a surface station study, I smelled a rat. I just didn’t expect the rat to be so super sized.
Just testing to see if Anthony is blocking my posts. I guess he doesn’t want anyone to keep asking about the money he scammed off his bloggers.
Anthony has started blocking my posts — could it be he doesn’t want anyone asking about the money he scammed off all of you?
I am just checking to see if Anthony Watts is still barring my posts on his site. It seems he is sensitive to anyone asking what happened to all that money he pandered for in regards to his surface station debacle.
“Drewski”, your posts all appear above, they automatically went to the SPAM filter of WUWT because they contain a flag word, “SCAM”, which was common to all three. You should of course understand this because you changed your email address and handle trying to get around that in the last one that went to SPAM. I pulled them out in my last blog sweep before retiring tonight.
I find your accusations hilariously amusing, and of course there’s no truth in any of it. The request for help was for publication costs for full color press in the AGU, for which I have receipt. As you’ll note that day, donations were closed as soon as readers met the goal just a few hours later. Compare that to the open ended solicitations of Al Gore while he keeps trying new ideas, like his new “climate reality” project. First thing they do is hit you up for money, and it never closes. If I was scamming people, would I have closed donations?
Anyway, all your claims are posted above, and readers can judge for themselves if they’ve been “scammed” or not. So far you, some anonymous guy in WA, are the only one raising the issue.
BTW here’s the AGU publication in full color, as it appears in the journal (months after the draft release as is standard practice): (PDF at this link http://pielkeclimatesci.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/r-367.pdf )
Fall, S., A. Watts, J. Nielsen-Gammon, E. Jones, D. Niyogi, J. Christy, and R.A. Pielke Sr., 2011: Analysis of the impacts of station exposure on the U.S. Historical Climatology Network temperatures and temperature trends. J. Geophys. Res., 116, D14120, doi:10.1029/2010JD015146.Copyright (2011) American Geophysical Union.
Of course the next thing that will likely happen is that somebody will claim I’m scamming people because AGU has dropped the color charges starting in January 2011, and our paper appears after that. Unfortunately we didn’t qualify, because we submitted in the fall of 2010. Even though we asked for an exemption, we were (ahem) denied 😉 …so I turned to the readers for help.
Also, one of my co-authors, John Christy, presented the project results at a recent AMS conference. (19th Conference on Applied Climatology 18–20 July 2011, Asheville, North Carolina) Nobody seemed to think it was a “scam” there either, as I pointed out a couple of days ago.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/08/21/my-surfacestations-project-at-the-ams-conference/
Cheers, Anthony
Drewski,
You are the cheat here, not Anthony.