Thank the Gods for Climategate

Guest post submitted by Steve Garcia

(feet2thefire http://feet2thefire.wordpress.com )

It has now been more than 20 months since the CRU emails were outed, by whatever or whomever. Some day we may actually know who did it, but for now we certainly do not. Depending on who it was, we can only speculate now as to what the immediate motives were. Was it an insider who had seen the nastiness and not wanted to let it go on any longer? Was it an insider who had a grudge against someone at CRU? Was the server hacked into, as is claimed publicly by all on The Team and their many AGW brothers in arms?

Though all that will be extremely interesting if and when it happens, the bigger picture will eventually be this: Who won? And how decisive was Climategate, anyway? Or is it too early to tell? At some point people will try to assess that question. Is now a viable time to do that assessing?

I assert that it may not be too early to tell. And I think our side won, big time. After all, the lay of the land is certainly different. Having been caught trying to rig the game and even lying and fudging the data – and do be aware that much of the public does see it that way – The Team and the IPCC are struggling to gain the ascendancy and monopoly they once had. And it truly does not look like they are winning the battle. But once a witness or ‘expert‘ is caught in a lie, can they ever get the people who witness it to believe them again?

See this article at Der Spiegel,  The Climategate Chronicle – How the Science of Global Warming Was Compromised

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It is noteworthy that the first line of text in the article is a caption in a GERMAN magazine that reads:

To what extent is climate change actually occurring?

Before Climategate, that caption would most likely have read

To what extent is climate change occurring?

To the warmers, it wasn’t IF climate change was happening, but how bad it was going to be.  One word – actually – is revealing, about how even German news sources are doubting what 21 months ago would have been traitorous heresy to doubt.

The momentum certainly appears to have shifted.

But has it?

To answer that, we have to go back to the autumn of 2009 and ask what the balance of power was at that time, to establish a baseline to measure from…

The balance of Power in early November 2009

For all intents and purposes, at that time The Team and the IPCC had a monopoly on telling the story of global warming. The Copenhagen Conference was just coming up in a couple of weeks, and the media blitz was about to get started.

Outside of Steve McIntyre’s ClimateAudit.org, WUWT, and a handful of other skeptical sites, little attention was paid to skeptical arguments. Almost no newspaper or news website – certainly no network news organizations – printed or broadcast any skeptical positions, except to denigrate them, or worse, to ridicule them as ostriches, anti-science wackos and warming “deniers” – the last one harkening back to Holocaust deniers, almost certainly intentionally.

Though Steve had poked holes that those in the know could cast doubt on Michael Mann’s Hockey Stick, which had gone over the heads of most of the world.

The warmers had browbeaten Roy Spencer and John Christy at UAH into changing their satellite adjustments (which I thought ended up being too big an adjustment).

At that time, those FOI requests referred to in the emails had been long since submitted. The stonewalling evident in the emails was well entrenched. The skeptics were trying to find enough information to attempt replication of The Team’s work but were having difficulty getting that information. Also, the public was almost entirely in the dark about there being any other possible side of the story, in spite of the work of Christy, Spencer, Richard Linzen, Willie Soon, and others, including many studies on the supposedly non-existent Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age that showed those two events were actually global, as opposed to Mann’s assertion that they were only regional.

Very little – almost none – of the research that argued against the AGW argument was getting out to the public. It is also shown in the emails that many of those studies were having trouble making it into the peer-reviewed literature – and that at least some of that was because The Team was blackballing authors they didn’t like, and sandbagging certain papers when The Team was chosen to be the reviewers.

With the power to control what the public heard or read, there was a definite one-sided tilt to the playing field/battle ground. The consensus was being spread far and wide, almost totally monopolizing what the public heard. Skeptics were marginalized, often ridiculed – and most mendaciously – accused of being in the pockets of the big energy interests (to this day, the AGW supporters assert that this latter is true, in spite of the fact that Anthony, a retired meteorologist, and Steve McIntyre, a retired auditor, are by far the most effective skeptics and have never been shown to be on anyone’s payroll. That those two attend conferences sponsored by or attended by energy industry representatives does not mean any more than that the U.S. and Libya are both in the U.N.)

These ad hoc allegations were parroted in article after article in the news media. Whenever it was necessary to give skeptics any press at all, it was bad press, usually with this: almost as an adjective, typical being something like (paraphrased) “the industry shill Willie Soon.” Almost no entry about a skeptic was complete without such an inflammatory remark by science editors or writers. Yet no such attempt was made to ascertain the source of the funding for AGW proponents – who were paying their way to conferences to Switzerland or resorts in the mountains of Austria, for example. That would have been bad enough, except that Watts and McIntyre weren’t taking money at all. A double standard was in effect, that any money coming from a pro-AGW entity was seen as noble and pure, while funding from industry was evil. Time after time after time, this is what went out in our newspapers and on TV and radio news.

Solid Information and Unambiguous Claims (NOT)

When I first came to ClimateAudit, long before Climategate I saw all the graphs and formulas and technical discussions, and I had two reactions. One was, “How am I ever going to learn about all this and keep up with these people? I’ve never seen a site with so much math.” (That is in spite of being fairly mathematically adept.) The other reaction was, “Gawd! At least there is something here to sink my teeth into.”

Finding any solid technical information about global warming from its supporters was difficult, if not impossible. Every post or article on the pro-AGW sites was filled with claims and summaries, but I didn’t want that. I wanted to go as straight to the source as possible. When I asked on Liberal sites for references, I was always directed to RealClimate, where there was claim after claim, assertion after assertion, paraphrasing after paraphrasing. But I wanted to see what the papers themselves said (not that most of it wouldn’t have been over my head in the beginning). And all the papers that were referenced were behind paywalls, so I couldn’t get into the nitty-gritty like I wanted to.

No one else could, either. Not unless they wanted to pay $30 per paper. So, in essence, their underlying story of CO2 was essentially being hidden from the public. And they knew it. The public was given summaries and assertions and headlines, mostly overstating and exaggerating the case against CO2. And the headlines were atop articles written by a small group of science editors around the country/world who, it turns out, were philosophically in bed with the AGW/IPCC folks. Article after article printed their assertions as fact – and more.

One thing that confused me was that human activities other than CO2 were being ignored. I found out later the reason was that Phil Jones’ co-authored study of UHI turned out to be extremely erroneous).

One thing I saw so often it angered me was that a headline would make an assertion of something as if it was unambiguous, yet when I would read deep into articles for the exact words of the scientists, I almost always saw qualifiers like “we believe,” “most think that,” “up to,” and “it appears that.” Where the scientists themselves were equivocating, the headlines and opening words asserted certainty. Any reader scanning the article would not go deep enough to se the caveats. For allowing this misrepresentation, the scientists should not be let off the hook, because they let those headlines stand without pointing out to the editors their level of uncertainty.

Uncertainty About AGW

It took until Judith Curry’s blog, Climate Etc, in 2010, for the issue of uncertainty to be addressed seriously and publicly by anyone near the AGW center. That was more than 20 years on down the line. Climate science should be, at the least, embarrassed that it did not come from themselves. And sooner. Give Dr. Curry credit for addressing that long overdue issue.

But as I understand it, that blog would never have existed had she not read enough of the Climategate emails and files to begin to question the claims of AGW. Seeing “The Team’s” reaction to her move to a middle ground and give some credence to the arguments of the skeptical community, it is clear that it took some courage for her to do that. Again, give her credit, this time for her integrity.

So, one thing that came out of Climategate was Climate Etc., and the establishment of a serious middle ground. The terrain was shifted that much, at least. What had been accepted as “consensus” had shifted toward “non-settled science.”

What Constitutes a Win?

As a lone Liberal here at WUWT, it has been a lonely 11+ years for me. But I have been treated with as much respect as I need, and have only been ridiculed once – when someone pointed out that I had used too many All-Caps. I took it like a man. I have never apologized to any fellow Liberals, and have lost a girlfriend of five years, but have made small inroads into a few peoples’ minds about AGW. But most of them thought I was addled in the brain. That was before Climategate. While few of those I talked with had read anything of substance about Climategate, with the main stream media’s shift to a small level of doubt, at least some peoples’ minds have opened up to the possibility that humans are not sizably to blame for whatever warming has existed.

My aim was never to prove that AGW didn’t exist, even though I was always in the small group that distrusted the adjustments, and do not believe (till shown with solid, replicatable science) that there ever was warming beyond us coming out of the Little Ice Age. I think it is enough to show that the science is too unsettled.

In order for that to happen, I always believed that something had to happen to throw doubt on the science behind the CO2 claims. Yes, in fact, I DID hope for a Watergate-style Deep Throat to show up. But that hope seemed so far-fetched that I never voiced it out loud. (So any of you that laugh at my 20-20 hindsight, laugh away. I can’t prove it.) Early on after the release of the emails, though, I was out there talking about Deep Throat. Whoever did it, may the gods favor him or her for many a year.

Now, in a court of law, to show reasonable doubt is enough for an acquittal. An acquittal, for the defense, IS a win.

Is there enough reasonable doubt?

With the level of attention given to AGW these days, with the yawns that greet claims against CO2 anymore, with governments abandoning efforts at controlling CO2 emissions, with even Germans (the most green country in Europe, if not the world) asking “To what extent is climate change actually occurring?” it seems perfectly appropriate to wonder if we have gotten an acquittal for CO2, simply by continuing to cast doubt and keeping at it like bulldogs (thank you, Steve and Anthony, in particular).

  • If we got an acquittal for CO2, it is a win.  There always was a reasonable doubt.  The jury just had to wake up to it.  Anthony and Steve M presented the case long enough and true enough so that could happen.
  • If serious scientists are talking about the uncertainties in climate science, where they were not before, that is a win.
  • If the world now does not accept the claims without some skepticism, it is a win.
  • If previously stilled voices in the climate community now speak clearly and without being intimidated, it is a win.
  • If more and more skeptical or neutral research papers are seeing the light of day, it is a win.
  • If the news media has stopped calling us “deniers”, it is at least a partial win.
  • If they sometimes don’t mention the ad hoc assertions of “industry shill,” it is a partial win. It means some of the respect is coming this direction.
  • If the monopoly on climate change pronouncements is broken (and it is), then it is a win.

Perhaps at some point soon climate science will go back to being the sleepy ivory tower it always used to be. Hansen came along with his claims that we would be warming up (after the 1970s, ANY warming should have been seen as getting back to normal – and I assert that Hansen knew that – but he couldn’t pass up the opportunity to scream, The Sky is Falling!”). Before Mann and his legendary fundraising started an avalanche of money that the other climate scientists jumped on.

All in all, although we don’t want to jinx it, it might be just about the right time to wave the victory flag.  We are certainly in a far different world vis-a-vis global warming than 21 months ago.  The climatologists are, to a very large extent, being ignored.  Yes, there is an IPCC coming up, and perhaps we should wait until that is over.  But I will predict that no matter what hoohah comes out of it, it will not have 50% of the energy of the previous IPCCs, because governments just aren’t listening with baited breath anymore.  If there is any place where the mojo counted, it was with governments.  But it ain’t there any more.

Our victory lap is just around the corner.  Yes, some people on the street will believe that the climate is changing, but – and this is the important part – then they think, “So what?  We have other, more important things to worry about.”

Chicken Little is dead.  Sprinkle the seasoning on and put it on the barbie.

Thank the Gods for Climategate.

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Greg
July 22, 2011 3:50 am

Ghandi said: At first they ignore you, then they mock you, then they attack you, and then you win. We are at stage 3.

Brent Hargreaves
July 22, 2011 3:56 am

Great post, but I fear that the Team’s state-of-the-art advocacy skills will keep them in gravy for a while yet.
In Australia and Britain there are powerful politicians with that mad evangelical look in their eyes. Just as Eisenhower warned about a self-sustaining military-industrial complex, the Global Warming Industry still has great momentum. The worst governments (good ol’ USA for bucking the western trend!) are feeding green extremist groups with tax pounds/dollars extracted from honest citizens. (Man, the airline tickets and hotel bills for October’s Durban shindig come out of OUR pockets.)
How much of this fiscal mugging is a sop to ubergreen activists with their hysterical street protests, their face-painting, their banners shreiking about ‘climate crime’? There is no equal-and-opposite movement on our side: yer level-headed sceptic with a family life and a job to hold down just hasn’t got the angst and fury. There is no opposite to a ‘climate camp’ or a runway flashmob, and hence no political pressure to snuff out the megabucks solutions to an illusory threat.
We need a hero; an Antigore.

GPP
July 22, 2011 3:57 am

The warmers may have experienced their “Stalingrad” but this has only halted their seemingly junstoppable advance, they are no longer the Juggernaut, but there is a long way to have to push them back to “Berlin” to achieve total victory. The warmers are down but they are not out. This is no time for us to rest, the warmers must be treated just like the Germans who presented such a hard crust on the defense, they must be hammered continuously from all sides until they are finally vanquished.

Alex the skeptic
July 22, 2011 3:58 am

gnomish says:
July 21, 2011 at 11:38 pm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
While the Somalis and Kenyans are dying of hunger, the UN is pushing for converting crops-for-food farm land to crops-for-fuel. Thus food is becoming more expensive, pushing all people down towards the poverty line, pushing the poor who live below the poverty line even lower, while those who were just managing to stay alive are now literally dying of hunger. Meanwhile Susan Rice (Obama’s proxy) is more interested in spending trillions of dollars to push down the temperature by 0.6C than to save all those Somali babies from starvation and death.

Village Idiot
July 22, 2011 3:58 am

Good work, Brother Steve,
To link the words ‘skeptic’, ‘victory’ and ‘climategate’ all in one article is certainly a feat of enviable literary gymnastics. Climategate will certainly go down in the annuls of history for us [those which must not be named] together with other great, well known victories such as the Vietnam War, Dunkerque and The Charge of the Light Brigade!
Now that the ‘Great Cooling’ has taken a firm hold on the planet (except for a little local weather in the US) and the Arctic ice is showing a clear recovery again this year (well done Village voters for being right on the button yet again 🙂 ), soon all our Warmisticating foes lies will be revealed to the world.
And Brother. Nice touch completely confusing the politics of action and the science of the so-called ‘Global Warming’. “The science is garbage because governments aren’t acting” – PRICELESS! I must remember that approach next time I take on a Waarmistering deceiver..
Victory to Sun!

Alex the skeptic
July 22, 2011 4:13 am

This is how the AGWers are paid money that isn’t their’s and they are not worthy of earning. It is just a scam:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/weather/8596583/Met-Office-staff-awarded-1.5m-bonus-pot-despite-another-year-of-bungled-forecasts.html

Ken Hall
July 22, 2011 4:18 am

Oakden Wolf:
““A remarkable world record was set at Khassab (airport), Oman on June 27th when the minimum temperature for the day failed to fall below 107.1°F (41.7°C). This is the highest minimum temperature ever recorded in the world to date.””
I am pretty sure that nobody was recording the daily temperature at Khassab Airport during the Roman Warm Period, or during the previous warmer 8000 years to when the last ice age ended.
I am also certain that there wasn’t any temperature recordings taken during any of the previous interglacials, many of which were warmer than this current one.
So although that may be the highest minimum daily temperature on the instrumental record for that location (and how long has there been an airport there? If you have a naturally hot location, and you stick a large blanket of black tarmac on it, then it is likely that a temperature record will be broken there.) It certainly is not the highest minimum daily temperature ever.

richard verney
July 22, 2011 4:27 am

Aussie2011 says: July 21, 2011 at 7:50 pm
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I fully agree with your comments on accountability. The same should apply to politicians. Both should be liable to compensate people who have suffered loss as a result of negligent error. For sure, these people would not have the wherewithall to make full redress but if they stood to lose their own personal fortune, it would encourage them scrutinise their actions with far more care.
Politicians are always in a no lose situation since they are spending someone elses money and therefore do not seem to give a damn as to how it is wasted..
I accept that politicians need to be guided by experts (often scientists) but as a matter of policy they should ecourage close scrutiny of the expert advice they are receiving so as to to test its varicity. They should never as a policy try and close down debate on the merits of the advice they are receiving and to do so is negligent.
But whilst I accept that politicians may not be able to understand the science, some of their policies for mitigation are pure madness, and I consider to be negligent. The Aussie Cap & Trade is one good example. Huge cost, no significant reduction of global temperature and therefore nothing achived. likewise, windfarms. Not one conventional generator has been decomissioned as a result of all the wind turbines erected. The UK government is just realising that in order to support the windfarms it is erecting it wil have to build 17 or so new conventional generators.If it simply went ahead and built these conventional generators, there would be no need for any windfarm to be built. Such duplication is pure madness. Such a easte of cost and no significant reduction in the amount of CO2 emissions is achieved. Similar observations apply to solar in high latitude. No doubt solar has it place but not in a cloudy northern latitude country. This type of mitigation policy is clearly negligent and the politicians who voted for this should be held accountable for the increased energy costs which ordinary citizens have to pay.
In fact, with the social state, the madness is greater since with rising energy costs, the amount of money that the government will have to pay out in increased social payments (whether these will be pension payments or out of work benefit) will inevitably have to go up to reflect the increased cost of living. So when the government levies a green tax, it has to additionally increase taxes on those that are working so that the state can increase its hand outs to those not working so those not working can afford to pay the green tax being levied by the energy companies/by the government through the back door. It is such a wonderful thing to be able to spend other people’s money.
The real problem is how can a system be indroduced that makes these scientists and politicians accountable for their actions.

John Marshall
July 22, 2011 4:38 am

Let us keep the name of she/he secret for the obvious reason that more may be forthcoming.

Joe Lalonde
July 22, 2011 4:42 am

Anthony,
Science is in far worse shape than you think.
Exclusion of many areas has generated a mass amount of theories that missed molecular lensing of the atmosphere, mechanics, magnetic influence of the sun, fiction of planetary inertia(gravity), shape, speed and motion, loss of water vapor are excluded from the current planetary understanding.
Current formulas and equations are strict and need correction constantly due to the planet slowing and movement away from the sun.
Temperatures on this planet are artificially created if we had no water or proper gases to keep this system in a stable cycle.

RockyRoad
July 22, 2011 4:45 am

Brian says:
July 22, 2011 at 12:13 am

Climategate has already been discussed:
http://liveweb.archive.org/http://www.skepticalscience.com/search.php?Search=climategate&x=18&y=7
Can we cut the climategate stuff already?

Oh no, Brian. This is all just getting started. Climategate was the day The Team was breached–D Day, as it were. The battle is simply escalating; mother nature is NOT cooperating as the Warmistas have predicted; and many previously accepted climate “truths” have been swept away (along with the so-called “experts” that have hoodwinked the masses–the IPCC is particularly guilty). The problem you’re having is that much of the public is now laughing at your “cause”; you’ve been outted.
You can sulk and hide away in some closet, bemoan the fact that your side is losing, and post silly comments like the above on WUWT, but that’s just further evidence that the momentum has swung to the other side–not yours.

Martin Brumby
July 22, 2011 4:45 am

@Oakden Wolf says: July 21, 2011 at 9:53 pm
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“A remarkable world record was set at Khassab (airport), Oman on June 27th when the minimum temperature for the day failed to fall below 107.1°F (41.7°C). This is the highest minimum temperature ever recorded in the world to date.”
OK, Oakden Wolf. Please supply a link for maximum / minimum daily temperatures for Khassab (airport), Oman for the last 1,000 years so we can check out whether this is in fact the highest minimum ever recorded for this location. We can then have a look at other locations for comparison.
Haven’t got 1,000 years data? OK, then how about 150 years? No? 50 years? 20 years maybe?
C’mon, this thing isn’t looking quite as “remarkable” after all.
But when we have it sorted we can start examining the proof that this “remarkable” (or not) record was caused by Climate Change. Then we can scratch about and see how much of that was caused by “Greenhouse Gasses”, then how much by CO2 and eventually come up with the contibution from human CO2 emissions.
Drat, I forgot to turn off my phone charger on the 26th June. Must have been that charger that tipped the thing over. Sorry, all you good folks who live in Khassab (airport), Oman!

richard verney
July 22, 2011 4:48 am

Unfortunately, we are a long way from winning this battle and it will not be won before the MSM picks up the gauntlet and closely scrutinises the scientific evidence underpinning the manmade GW theory AND the political response to global warming, its effectiveness at curtailing temperature and the costs involved. Indeed, the MSM should question whether it is in our interests to seek to hold back temperature rise and whether a warmer planet would in fact be beneficial not detrimental.
There are some factors that may work towards the MSM re-evaluating its stance on GW. First, the increased energy costs are bound to cause hardship and will inevitably lead to deaths amongst some old age pensioners. Stories of hardship and death appeal to the media and if these events happen, there will inevitably be more and more stories appearing in the MSM (not just on internet blogs). Further the ordinary person will begin to feel the financial cost of green policies and in poor economic times, he will not like that feeling and will begin to question why he is paying so much tax. Second, if global temperatures continue to stall or better still fall (which many foresee as a consequence of an inactive sun and negative ocean phases). After 5 or 10 years of this, it will become ever more difficult to sell stories of impending doom and the better story to sell will be what has happened to global warming? Third, if winters continue to be cold and snowy. In the UK for example, the goverrnment/local authorities appear incapable of coping with cosd snowy conditions and the country grinds to the halt. The press love to run with this type of story showing government as hapless. The story is even better if the Met Office has predicted a mild winter. If there has been a change in jet stream patterns, it may well be the case that there will be more frequent cold winters and stories of this type will appear more regularly. It is counter intuitive to the ordinary person that Global Warming causes cooling and this happens this will inevitable start shifting public opinion. The press to some extent reflects public opinion and should public opinion shift, the press will follow and with ever more stories appearing in the press casting doubt on AGW, the public will become more sceptical thereby encouraging the press to run yet more such stories. Fourth, as far as the UK is concerned, our energy planning is a disaster. Unless there is a change of tack, within the next 10 years, there will be rolling blackouts. People will question why they are paying so much more for energy and yet are not being allowed to use as much and at times are not even able to use any due to power cuts.
I can see the battle being won within the next 20 years whenthere is a new influx of politicians who have not themselves introduced stupid schemes, but today, it is far from over.

Steve in SC
July 22, 2011 5:02 am

How anyone could possibly believe the preposterous claims that have been put forth absolutely boggles the mind. Obviously, there are a great many people who have no concept of thermodynamics in any way shape manner or form. I remain totally aghast.

phlogiston
July 22, 2011 5:12 am

Thanks Steve for this perspective on Climategate. I remember the evening when it broke, definitely a “before and after” moment.

Adriana Ortiz
July 22, 2011 5:16 am

Poor ol Joe Romm still has not realized what he is gotten himself into pursuing the Murdochs (his wife is 100% warmista) and most of his press is too except for Fox TV. He still does not get it that it was an insider who leaked the emails and that the NORFOLK police were probably instructed by the MET police through Wallis to NOT investigate. The poor sucker is now asking them to investigate This is one thing that we concur with on, with Joey.

SasjaL
July 22, 2011 5:19 am

Climategate – like garbage hidden under the snow, it was doomed to be revealed when spring came (as all other corruption sooner or later …)
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With the level of attention given to AGW these days, with the yawns that greet claims against CO2 anymore, with governments abandoning efforts at controlling CO2 emissions, with even Germans (the most green country in Europe, if not the world)
Ever heard of Sweden and Norway …? We have had CO2 taxes in a number of years now and it will remain. Even the existing right-wing government (ie prime minister) in Sweden has stressed that no matter what science achieves, so we’ll keep those taxes … (His party (Moderateerna, cons.), calls itself “New Labour Party” …)

polistra
July 22, 2011 5:22 am

Disagree strongly with Richard A.:
“a certain portion of the population always believes some form of apocalyptic idiocy which can only be avoided if THEY, the believers, get to ‘run things’ for the rest of us.”
Nope, Gaia is unique. There are always lots of cults, but until Gaia came along, none of them wanted to “run things.” The more serious ones wanted to convince the world to prepare for the end; the less serious ones wanted to generate millions for their founders. Most wanted to control their followers, but none of them cared about ruling the unbelievers.
No other cult ever succeeded in taking over ONE government or ONE complete school system or ONE country’s media. Gaia has taken over ALL the governments and ALL the school systems and NEARLY ALL the media. Nothing else remotely compares.

John Whitman
July 22, 2011 5:46 am

Steve Garcia,
A good message. Thank you. Another title could have been ‘Less We Forget Climategate’.
I would just add that the main victory has been a vastly increased VIGILANCE. It is now, more than ever before, extremely difficult for biased climate science to slip past skeptical scrutiny in the climate sphere.
The top strategy for skeptics should be establishing even more ‘vigilance processes’ that will overwhelm all attempts at subterfuge by the agenda driven IPCC AGWist Pseudo-Science. There are still gaps in our VIGILANCE network. Keep working.
There can never be rest for us; that is the price of liberty.
Some celebration is good, but we should keep in mind that it just for one win in a continuous essential effort to sustain our vigilance.
John

Pamela Gray
July 22, 2011 5:53 am

I would be more inclined to believe that a programmer (or maybe a group of them) did it. These would be the people who had to work on the code and found it to be such an unholy mess that they were driven to weekend drinking binges just to get the taste of the task out of their mouths.
At the very least, I can imagine the disdain they felt for these high and mighty self-proclaimed climatologists ordering them to “make stuff up” to get the programme to work the way they wanted it to work.

John A
July 22, 2011 6:02 am

I’m baffled by the “lone liberal on WUWT” remark. There are plenty of liberals on here and elsewhere. Steve McIntyre self-identified himself as a “Clinton Democrat” in US political terms. I would probably be similar.
There are plenty of commenters here who make banal and pretty insulting references to Hitler and Nazism in the context of AGW believers, but there are equally many more commenters who care about accuracy, scholarship and integrity in science and want to know what the facts are, and how much about climate science is real and how much is hype and misdirection.
I think there is a broad middle ground between left wing liberalism and Fox News style right wingery, and there are a large number of people concerned that a large part of environmentalism has been co-opted by a revivified form of State-controlling authoritarianism.

Oscar Bajner
July 22, 2011 6:02 am

We are not engaged in a scientific dispute about climate, we are engaged in a political and ideological war for the replacement for “Western” civilization. Science is just ammunition in this war.
The Sicilians and Irish amnesiacs on this thread might appreciate the opinion of Conan the Barbarian:
Mongol General: Hao! Dai ye! We won again! This is good, but what is best in life?
Mongol: The open steppe, fleet horse, falcons at your wrist, and the wind in your hair.
Mongol General: Wrong! Conan! What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.

July 22, 2011 6:03 am

Troed Sångberg says:
July 22, 2011 at 1:57 am
There are two types of people in the world. Those who divide people into two groups, and those who don’t.

Pamela Gray
July 22, 2011 6:04 am

Freedom won requires continued vigilance and safe keeping, and at far greater levels than what was required to win it.

July 22, 2011 6:07 am

Here in the US, the EPA continues to run out AGW regulations without letup. Last night Obama threatened to veto any legislation that contained a cut to the EPA’s budget.
The fight is far from won.

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