Joe publishes an essay in the State College newspaper which Mann reads looking for anything that might question his hockey stick theory. – Anthony
Can America Last? Only If We Use the Lessons of the Past
by Joe Bastardi
If you knew about the climate and nation’s weather the way I have to, you would see the links between what happened from 1925 to 1950 and what is going on now. During that time, we were in a warm version of the Pacific Ocean, the Atlantic turned warm, and the weather went haywire. And there were other challenges as great as the weather facing the nation.
I get a kick out of those blaming carbon dioxide for the weather problems. Why? Because it has happened before and will happen again. The Earth has been going through 30 years of a warm Pacific Ocean; that reversed in 2007 and, lo and behold, weather similar to the last time it happened showed up. Tornado deaths in this nation were greatest in the 1950s, for instance. And there have been far worse tornado disasters worldwide spread out evenly over the centuries.
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My suggestion as to the answer comes from the book of Ecclesiastes: There is nothing new under the sun. Of course, that would not sit well with anyone wishing to save the planet from man-made demons in the air – and getting paid to do so.
And by the way, while proponents of global warming claim that all this wild weather is consistent with their models – which unknown to many are starting to forecast global cooling, though they won’t tell you that yet – it is also consistent with what happens in the weather when any given pattern changes.
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Common sense from the heart from Joe.
Glad there’s no paywall for the State College website.
Total truth from Mr Bastardi.
When we were kids my Daddy told us that once Lough Neagh (N.Ireland) froze solid and that somebody drove a tractor out across it. We only half believed him, he might have been pulling our leg.
Fifty-ish years later it happened again! Sadly I wasn’t there to see it.
I remember very clearly the article promising ‘snow will be a thing of the past’….a little alarm bell went off in my head…that was my wakeup call…how could ‘anyone’ have made such an idiotic claim? I began to look more closely at ‘Global Warming’ .
You’re right, History is a great educator.
Also we must keep reminding the Warmists of their claims and predictions each time they fail to materialize…that’s history too!
Maybe even…… ‘evidence’.
Thank goodness we have people like Joe and this site to put out dissenting information from the folks like Gore and Mann. Can you imagine what it would be like to only have their side presented and their solutions to save us? We’re close to that now.
But where are your models?
How can you call yourself a real scientist if you haven’t created a model which proves your assertions.
Come on! Just saying: “it’s like the 1950s” isn’t good enough …. you’ve got to say: “we have modelled the climate using a 5th china-squared cubic splice and according to our models the climate today is the same as the 1950s and it will all end in doomsday and pestilence if we don’t get more money to model the model of the models that show that the 1950s was not nearly so good as it was today because of the lack of models of models showing that the past was much better than the future”
…. that way you’ll be believed.
There was a sarc off there … but I obviously didn’t model it well because it disappeared!
Joe: You make a sweeping statement “… which unknown to many are starting to forecast global cooling, though they won’t tell you that yet”
I know some modelers, and have not heard this. Could you substantiate your statement please with some reference or evidence?
Why? Because it has happened before and will happen again.
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Not much has changed with people either….
…since the beginning of time, we’ve always had people that tried to make a living off doom and gloom predictions
and claiming they could fix it with sacrifices
Only the names have changed…
…we used to call them witch doctors and shaman
Good article Joe,keep punching away.
Surprised any like this would be allowed with the name PENN on it,
can just imagine certain people reading this over breakfast and spitting out their cornflakes
and “shouting get me the editor” LOL 🙂 🙂 way to go Joe.
Don’t you know that metereologists — who merely live and breathe the data — are not ‘real scientists.’ But Mother Nature seems to ignore the models.
Living in northern Canada, it mystifies me that people would desire a cooler planet. There doesn’t seem to be any awareness or understanding of the challenges we face. We need to stop wasting time on this obsession with CO2 and put our efforts into better alternative energy sources. The real catastrophy will occur when we are not able to keep warm or grow food.
charles nelson says:
June 28, 2011 at 5:51 am
“When we were kids my Daddy told us that once Lough Neagh (N.Ireland) froze solid and that somebody drove a tractor out across it. We only half believed him, he might have been pulling our leg.
Fifty-ish years later it happened again! Sadly I wasn’t there to see it.”
Luckily this is the information age where almost every event is captured and posted online, If seeing is believing feast your eyes on this short videos below.
A frozen Lough Neagh at Ballyronan, Winter 2010
And Waite theres more!!
Part 1
Part 2
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I’d trust Joe Bastardi I saw him on the Colbert report ripping some CAGW Proponent a new one early this year.
The Earth has been going through 30 years of a warm Pacific Ocean; that reversed in 2007 and, lo and behold, weather similar to the last time it happened showed up.
Thirty years again. That sounds familiar. Looks like we have another two decades of cooling to go.
Hello everyone, in 1949 the village where I was born was closed for 6 weeks due to snowfall, people could only leave their houses via the upsatirs bedroom windows. I missed that one, but I was around in 1963, 9 feet thick ice on our local lake, cars driving on it amazing. The scare then was a new ice age, we would all have to migrate south. No one had heard of models of climate, it was just the weather, sometimes I long for those days to return, the war was not long over and bu**shit was at a minimum.
From the full article:
“Recall five years ago the lamentations about no snow in the Rockies, and, of course, the blame was global warming. Now that it’s snowing, it’s global warming. Drought, floods, anything under the sun is global warming.”
Anything under the sun but not the sun itself is global warming. The solar cycles, etc. have nothing to do with global warming. It is all due to a trace gas. No, it’s true. Just ask them, they’ll tell you, quite indignantly too.
I wonder what prompted this submission to StateCollege.Com and, also, is there a print edition? Was he asked by a new editor? It has a large readership – and we assume they are well educated. Joe has written about these issue before so the information is not new, although the wordsmithing seems improved. Maybe other media outlets will pick it up. Hope so. However, the small map accompanying the article appears to come from information provided at the link below. I did not see a way to the yearly maps.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/drought/historical-palmers.php
Learning from the past? Pfft… that’s so old-school. Next someone’s going to tell us we should learn from our mistakes too. Or, Just the other day I heard someone suggest that someone older might actually know something that I don’t. Can you imagine? Ridiculous. I mean, we have the internet! We know EVERYTHING! And everyone knows that all data on the internet is completely valid and accurate, and old paper documents are complete crap.
1930s. That can’t be. I saw somewhere on the internet that it wasn’t actually warm back then, it was just “deniers” making that up. Or it was warm in the US, but the rest of the world was in blissful, beautiful, perfect balance, just like everything is, always, until CO2 comes along and wrecks it. Those eeeeevil oil companies and those eeeeeevil capitalists, ruining everything. Serves ’em right.
(no, no, don’t tell me this “needs” a /sarc tag!)
I don’t need a model to know that we have been here before. Being involved in agriculture and observing weather changes and how the climate affects the business I am in go hand in hand. My dad always talked that the 1950’s were some of the wettest years he ever saw,especially 1954. Now in Western Canada we are having two of the wettest years on record. Why because of La Nina and a change in the flow of the jet stream. Not because of an increase in CO2. We have many cycles within cycles that affect the climate and blaming every weather event on CO2 or Globull warming is ludicrous. Good common sense article.
Joe has tweeted before about the models now showing cooling instead of warming. That piques my curiosity, I wish he would provide some details. That would be pretty significant.
Everything changes but everything remains the same
Climate models that forecast global cooling well after the fact are about as useless as attempting to negotiate a tight turn with the steering wheel locked. They will fail no matter which way the system turns, because they contain no AI that can learn. That should be a hint to stop wasting billions in taxpayer money on a lemon.
“while proponents of global warming claim that all this wild weather is consistent with their models”.
Well we know that anything and everything is consistent with their models isn’t it?
Call it Climate Anything! (or Climate Everything!)
“And by the way, while proponents of global warming claim that all this wild weather is consistent with their models – which unknown to many are starting to forecast global cooling, though they won’t tell you that yet…”
Could you elaborate on that, Joe? Are you saying that the models are actually predicting the lack of warming since about 1995-1998? That’s news to me and must make Trenberth very happy. But how was that accomplished?
Yes, many here do recall those days. Back in May, with the early arrival of Spring, Western snowpack was at a record level. This was also caused by global warming. / sarc
Where has Joe’s blog gone?
I looked at the comments section. It’s good to see that the majority of literate Penn State students seem brighter than their instructors.