Friends, prepare yourselves for this stunning collection of logic, green thinking, and simple unvarnished, outright hatred. Should we be thinking about getting ourselves off to secure locations in light of this? /sarc
Simon from Australian Climate Madness makes note of this from the Herald Sun, which is complicit (and editorially bankrupt) in printing this article from Jill Singer.
First, some stunning logic rationalization about the shame merits of lying to get to office:
Prime Minister Julia Gillard, as has been widely noted, misled our nation by declaring she wouldn’t introduce such a tax. The worst that can be said is that she lied. The best that can be said is that she lied because we can’t deal with the truth.
O-kaaaayyy……but this really takes the cake.
I’m prepared to keep an open mind and propose another stunt for climate sceptics – put your strong views to the test by exposing yourselves to high concentrations of either carbon dioxide or some other colourless, odourless gas – say, carbon monoxide.
You wouldn’t see or smell anything. Nor would your anti-science nonsense be heard of again. How very refreshing.
That’s some seriously ugly thinking lady.
I suppose Ms. Singer is justifying these thoughts as many do on the grounds of that favorite of noble cause corruption: save the planet. I’ll bet she thinks she’s being clever, even if harsh and naziesque.
Sorry, another angry green beat you to it years ago and I have dibs on it. It all started simply, when she called me a “WMD” for discussing my doubts about AGW:
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Take some responsibility
Chico Enterprise-Record
Article Launched: 05/22/2007 12:00:00 AM PDT
Anthony Watts seems to be a poster boy for right-wing ideology. This isn’t a distinction that one should be proud of considering the so-called “right” seem to be wrong on almost every issue. Even after hundreds of the world’s top scientists have documented that global warming has in fact been caused by the actions of man, he states that this is not true, that it is a natural occurrence. Just looking at Chico’s polluted skies tells me otherwise.
It seems that Republicans in general have a hard time taking responsibility for anything. The war in Iraq, brought to you by the lies of this illegitimate administration has been a horrendous mistake costing the lives of over 4,000 Americans if you include private contractors and over 650,000 Iraqi civilians. Most Republicans still believe there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. I’ve come to believe that Republicans, especially people like Anthony Watts, are the WMDs.
— Sherri Quammen, Chico
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My response on my blog: (since I didn’t think it merited a letter to the editor response)
Fine Me
My friends at coffee this morning got a huge laugh out of Chico Peace and Justice Center member Sherri Quammen’s claim in a vitriol filled letter to the editor that I’m the “real WMD”.
For somebody who professes “peace and justice”, she sure seems to have a lot of anger to vent. She’s sent letters to all three newspapers, the ER, Chico Beat, and you’ll see the same letter come Thursday at the Chico News and Review I’m sure. Lately, the message of “peace on earth” seems to have lost the accessory clause of “goodwill towards men”. Though its hard to tell through her rant just what she dislikes about me most, it appears that my views and research into climate change must be the main factor.
I sent her a nice note last week, offering to meet and get acquainted over coffee or tea someday, (since we’ve never met) after the letter appeared in the Chico Beat, so far no response.
But that’s OK, being a public person, criticism comes with the territory. It’s an occupational hazard. I guess I should be honored that my threat level has been elevated. Poor Al Gore takes all sorts of flak daily.
Sooo….since I’ve been labeled a WMD, I think that I’ll have to look over my shoulder a lot to make sure I’m not being followed by police officers intent on giving me a ticket in case I go off in the Chico city limits. That’s a $500 fine you know.
To make it easier for people to spot me, I think I’ll get a T-shirt that says simply “BOOM”.
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And to that blog post, this is how she responded (emphasis mine):
Chico Enterprise-Record (Chico, CA)
July 1, 2007 Don’t deny the obvious
Author: Chico Enterprise-Record Section: Letters To The Editor
On his blog site, Anthony Watts states that my remarks in a letter to the editor did not seem that “peaceful” and since I am involved with the Peace and Justice Center I should display a “goodwill to man.” He’s right about the fact that I am upset about the current state of our nation under the corporate crooks in the White House and how it’s affecting our planet, because unlike him, I am paying attention.
Watts seems to enjoy researching this mysterious phenomenon called “global warming” that could bring not only human but all existence on this planet to extinction. So here’s a little research Watts can try at home. First, park his (most likely very large) car or SUV in his garage. Then close the door and start the engine. Sit there for a few hours and then (if he is still able) he can make an entry on his blog contemplating the effects of car exhaust on people in enclosed areas (like our atmosphere).
Why is it so important for this man and others like him to try and refute the obvious, shunning all responsibility for something that we are obviously responsible for? That is why I have labeled Watts a “WMD” which, especially in his case, could also stand for “weapon of mass deception.” — Sherri Quammen, Chico
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I didn’t bother responding to that letter.
Yeah I got the early dibs on angry irrational people suggesting I kill myself. It is such shame for eco-conscious people everywhere that this sort of ugliness continues to be represented by their brethren virtually identically today.
Andrew Bolt says that Lashing at sceptics does science no favour.
For the citizens of Australia who think that newspaper journalists should not be advocating the death of their neighbors simply because they have a different view on global warming, here is where you can complain, on her editorial page:
Jill Singer THE “debate” over a carbon tax in Australia has become high farce. It’s time for the game-playing to stop – on both sides of politics.
And also to the editor of the Herald Sun to demand an apology:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/help/contactus
I ask anyone lodging such a complaint to be respectful and don’t escalate. Stick to the issue at hand.
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What is this “carbon” tax I keep reading of? A tax on diamonds? Buckyballs? Should I be killing myself if I don’t think we need a tax on these items? Is there also to be a tax on all that fake carbon I see being pawned on shopping channels?
The global warming crowd, long on predictions and short on proof.
Quote>>I’m prepared to keep an open mind and propose another stunt for climate sceptics – put your strong views to the test by exposing yourselves to high concentrations of either carbon dioxide or some other colourless, odourless gas – say, carbon monoxide.
You wouldn’t see or smell anything. Nor would your anti-science nonsense be heard of again.<< Unquote
I do not know if anyone has said it before here, but this science-challenged girl should also try putting her head in a bucket full of water for longer than 4 minutes. Water is essential for all life. Without water we would all die, but since we would die within 4 minutes if we but our head in abucket full fo water, then, by the same principle so movingly expounded by Ms. Singer, water should, must be banned from planet earth.
And she doesn'teven know the difference between CO2 and CO, which gives strength to my view that the more scientifically challenged one is, the more one believes in AGW. Is there a graph somewhere showing the scientific knowledge/lack of against belief in AGW? Can we start with politicians (Al Gore?), then journalists
So, essentially, she freely joins the rank and file of all the other world saviors, the communists, the fascists and the nazis.
The mindset of these “good green climate friends of the earth” are stunningly lacking in non-violence. “We’re not here to do violence, this is for the good of the people,” and of course, then they promptly run their tanks over the people, or move them in to the death camps or gas chambers.
A rational crazed climate communist hippie is still a crazed climate communist hippie.
I get most of my exposure to excess CO2 levels by breathing out. As a kid I used to sleep with my head under the blanket. Somehow I’m still here and able to type.
REPLY: Well we don’t need any escalation, even in jest. And for the record, HCN has a faint, bitter, burnt almond-like odor that only some people are able to detect. – Anthony
But not for long.
“I think the consensus is sound.”
You need to finish the sentence, it should have been “I think the consensus is sound and fury, signifying nothing.”
I have been a scientist “all my life” (meaning all my professional life) as well, and I can easily, using the simple scientific method, poke so many holes in the “consensus” that I can make a complete mockery out of it.
How about, put me in a closed room and increase CO2 concentration to 10000 parts per million, far higher than it will ever reach. I will be fine.
Also the reason someone would die in her experiment is not due to poisoning from CO2 as she is implying but rather suffocation from lack of oxygen.
“Like most liberals”… It is sometimes difficult to remember that many North Americans have a very different definition of the word “liberal” than that of most dictionaries. Ms Singer’s comments were extremely illiberal. Liberalism is a fundamental quality of Western European culture. Indeed, in Australia the conservative party is called the “Liberal Party”. For mine, politics weakens all arguments, so it always saddens me to see party partisan comments on this site.
REPLY: Well we don’t need any escalation, even in jest. And for the record, HCN has a faint, bitter, burnt almond-like odor that only some people are able to detect. – Anthony
hey Anthony, for real ?some can’t smell cyanide? huh? it reeks.
I’m stunned because I did not recognize the pope of CAGW at first glance. Then I realized he was not wearing his tiara (a tall vine encrusted version with three crossed poison ivy leaves and six CO2 symbols) for the videos.
But when the wacko green religion priest opened his mouth to spew lie after fascist lie I knew it had to be Al Gore.
“put your strong views to the test by exposing yourselves to high concentrations of either carbon dioxide or some other colourless, odourless gas – say, carbon monoxide. … You wouldn’t see or smell anything. ”
I will take her test if she will. The test will be 100% concentration of an odorless and colorless gas for 1 hour. I will even give her the advantage by allowing her to take the gas with the highest concentration in our atmosphere Nitrogen at 78%. Obviously, this gas with the highest concentration is not toxic and can cause her no harm. I then will take the second most concentrated odorless and colorless gas in the atmosphere Oxygen at 21%.
I’m fairly sure at the end of our test she won’t be making up stupid tests anymore.
Anthony
As vile as the statements are, you should take heart from such language. When people resort to such tactics, not only is the argument lost but they also know they are in the wrong. Nobody tells ‘flat-earthers’ to jump off a cliff to see what it feels like, and no one tells Holocaust deniers to take a lungful of Zyklon B. Its over – we know it and they know it … but their colours are anchored so firmly to the mast of illogicality that they have no where else to go.
As these global warming zealots are increasingly exposed and their post-normal science challenged they are becoming increasingly unhinged at losing the hearts and minds of thinking people everywhere. They circle the wagons and resort to talking down to everyone, almost screaming at them from authority. Their authority is crumbling rapidly all about them as the polls show and all they can do is resort to hysterical rants. James Delingpole nails it, fully anticipating time for their climate Masada-
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100092809/greenpeace-and-the-ipcc-time-surely-for-a-climate-masada/
Let her rip James-
The Man Made Global Warming industry is a crock, a scam on an epic scale, fed by the world’s biggest outbreak of mass hysteria, stoked by politicians dying for an excuse to impose more tax and regulation on us while being seen to “care” about an issue of pressing urgency, fuelled by the shrill lies and tear-jerking propaganda of activists possessed of no understanding of the real world other than a chippy instinctive hatred of capitalism, given a veneer of scientific respectability by post-normal scientists who believe their job is to behave like politicians rather than dispassionate seekers-after-truth, cheered on by rent-seeking businesses, financed by the EU, the UN and the charitable foundations of the guilt-ridden rich, and promoted at every turn by schoolteachers, college lecturers, organic muesli packets, Walkers crisps, the BBC, CNBC, Al Gore, the Prince Of Wales, David Suzuki, the British Antarctic Survey, Barack Obama, David Cameron and Knut – the late, dyslexic-challenging, baby polar bear, formerly of Berlin Zoo.
And you really don’t need to be a contrarian or an out-there conspiracy theorist or a hard-core libertarian or a rampant free-market capitalist or a dyed in the wool conservative to think this way any more. This is reality. This is how it is. This is where all the overwhelming evidence points. So what kind of a bizarro, warped, intellectually challenged, cognitively dissonant, eco-fascistic nutcase would you have to be to think otherwise?
Look, I’m sorry to be blunt all you Greenies (you know how normally polite and respectful I am to you and your cause) but don’t you think the charade has gone on long enough? Do you not think, maybe, that given that the IPCC is the basis of all your so-called “science” on climate change, and given that the IPCC has been proven dozens of times now to have been hijacked by activists with about as much of a handle on objective reality as Syd Barrett locked in a cupboard during a particularly bad acid trip, it mightn’t be time finally to do the decent thing?
Either come over to the side of reality, truth and climate scepticism (as your Lynas has sort of done) and admit you’re wrong. Or gather together in your last redoubt with your Hansens and your Gores and your Porritts and all the other die hards and do the only other honorable thing: show the courage of your convictions by staging a Climate Masada.
Hey, Jill Singer is cool!
You mob (you know, the people who come up with all sorts of monster raving loony ideas to try and discredit AGW) should see the somewhat tasteless humour in Jill’s idea.
After all, if you are prepared to believe that the 2nd law of thermodynamics precludes AGW, then it should not be a problem to believe that CO is harmless! Ha ha.
I’ve actually written to the current Victorian Minister for Education because I am deeply concerned about the indoctrination our children are getting about globull warming. Today I got my reply and it is rather defensive about it. They try to pacify me but it’s made me even more concerned. I’m told that ‘The Victorian gov is committed to sustainability as an ‘underlying value’.’ Whose value would that be? Anyway, I thought there may be some here who would like to see how they teach science in this country as the Vic govt was kind enough to provide links in the letter.
http://vels.vcaa.vic.edu.au/science/relationships.html#ShowAll
I don’t know what brings out the fanatacism of the alarmists. I was married to a man who firmly believed in Global Warming and decided that we needed to live a sustainable lifestyle. ( We lived on a farm) He advocated not driving; purchasing only what we “needed” that we could not raise or grow ourselves; limit our use of electricity, only use 10 minutes of internet a day, use no air conditioning, have no artwork on the walls because we could look out the windows at the beauty of nature. He thought I could still sew, but should consider raising sheep to get the wool, to spin the yarn to weave the cloth to make the item… The list got longer and longer. We already lived frugally, and his ideas got more difficult to agree with. He even talked about starting an eco village, where all the like minded people would flock to live this wonderful life. His over-riding concern became taking care of Mother Earth. He said that if we took care of Mother Earth, she would take care of us.
To me, Global Warming never made sense. I have a background in Horticulture and CO2 was something good from my outlook. My kids had an interest in geology, and so we trooped off to the Natural History Museum and learned about past times on earth and dinosaurs and rocks and how much warmer the earth was. When I voiced my skepticism to my then husband, the insults started. He told me that “everything” he read proved global warming and I couldn’t prove otherwise and why did I think I was smarter than “all” the scientists in the world and I was being “Ignorant by Intent”. When he balled up his fist and pulled his arm back I realized that there was no way I could talk to him, and that I was in danger if I stayed. I left at that point with the kids and didn’t return.
To this day I don’t know why saving Mother Earth was more important to him than his wife and kids, but that’s what his decision was. And the ironic thing was, after I left, he bought a second car, used the internet extensively and found religion. I guess it really was a control thing.
You should have responded to that letter – to at least let her know you saw it – in about the same manner as you did the first. Hate defies logic and rationale, so attempting to debate her would have been moot. But holding up a mirror to the hate is the worst punishment of all! (and it usually gets the hater even madder! 😉
REPLY: I didn’t have to, the community was so incensed they responded for me. The director of the Peace and Justice center even wrote an admoniton and apology. – Anthony
Judy, my sympathies. Most realists have encountered the abuse and name calling from alarmists but it must be terrible in a marriage. Alarmists seem incapable of rational discussion. For example, I had a series of emails in discussion with Dr Trenberth, a man I thought might have made some sense, but instead, just blatant lies and nonsense. When I pointed out his lies about Dr Jones’ “no warming” statement on BBC interview, Trenberth ran away.
I suspect that alarmism really is a religion, based on pure unsubstantiated belief. Your husband certainly sounds as though he was filled with religious fanaticism, similar to other religious fanatics. Facts and science are irrelevant. Any disagreement with whatever religion is met in the same way.
I have a young child and a very happy marriage. I can appreciate how difficult it must be for you. I hope you find a good man.
I see that someone has succeeded in adding the cite to Jill Singer’s Wikipedia article, while I was in the middle of doing the same.
Someone has since added a remark about Socialists. Let’s not do that, OK? Just leave it at being gassed with Carbon Monoxide.
Technically it would be impossible to say that Julia Gillard (Australian PM) actually lied. Stay with me here… much as I detest her weasel ways I could only call it a broken promise, not a lie. Six days before the last election she stated “There will be no carbon tax under any Government I lead.” Unless people can prove that she thought otherwise at the time it is not a lie. It is simply a promise that was later broken, she claims because of the minority Government the election left her with.
I understand the desire to brand her a liar on this issue, but that is not helping the cause. She has certainly lied about other things, such as not intending to dispose of the previous PM in a leadership spill, but that’s a whole other story.
The joke is on her, because her party is now polling the lowest in 40 years or more. Her days are numbered, but that makes her desperate to achieve something in her short reign. The next Australian election will be a massive swing to the right (which is not really much of a swing in Australia … both mainstream parties are very centrist politically), as we just saw in Canada. Just about anyone could front for the (notionally right wing) Liberal Party here and win against Julia.
nice
Somebody has now added a citation to the Singer page, along with the remark:
> In 2011, Singer advocated that people sceptical of the link between Carbon Dioxide and Global Warming be gassed with Carbon Monoxide, making her the most recent Socialist to advocate the use of poison gas as a means of disposing of political undesirables.
John Brookes above wouldn’t know the Second Law of Thermodynamics if it came up and bit him on the arse!
If you try to leave a comment on her article, you get:
“Please note that we are not able to publish all the comments that we receive, and that we may edit some comments to ensure their suitability for publishing.
Feedback will be rejected if it does not add to a debate, or is a purely personal attack, or is offensive, repetitious, illegal or meaningless, or contains clear errors of fact.
Although we try to run feedback just as it is received, we reserve the right to edit or delete any and all material.”
If only they did the same for the articles presented…
The suggestion she makes DOES overstep the ethics boundary, so maybe someone should point that out to her boss & the herald sun’s ethics/legal people…