John Coleman on the recent solar slump announcement

John Coleman, founder of the weather Channel and now at KUSI-TV in San Diego passes on this video which I’m passing on to WUWT readers.

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u.k.(us)
June 16, 2011 7:06 pm

Moderate Republican says:
June 16, 2011 at 6:47 pm
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A reasonable response.

Alfred E. Neuman
June 16, 2011 7:25 pm

What, me worry?

jcrabb
June 16, 2011 7:39 pm

People moving from Canada? alarmist rubbish.

June 16, 2011 7:43 pm

Amino Acids in Meteorites says on June 16, 2011 at 6:01 pm
The same video now on YouTube

Thanks; I have tried several time to run from the link above and no joy each time. (Running the latest Adobe Flash player too … )
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SteveSadlov
June 16, 2011 8:27 pm

If there is a Maunder, a goodly portion of the living may envy the dead.
The subsequent world war may actually seem to be of little consequence, after the initial wave of misery hits.
After the war, a new Civilization, illiberal to the core, will likely arise. Aristocratic structures of old may reappear. Egalitarian notions would elicit castigation.
From a standpoint of technology and human development, we many never recover. The dream of colonizing space may vanish forever. Humanity and life itself may someday perish in silence on a sad old Earth as the Sun changes to such an extent that the conditions for life leave the Earth forever.
There is however a silver lining to all this. After the intense crisis, the surviving peoples will never again tolerate a number of the crass phenomena we now witness.

Harpo
June 16, 2011 8:58 pm

There has to be a way to tax sunlight…. that’ll fix it.

crosspatch
June 16, 2011 9:07 pm

Actually, I don’t think people appreciate how precarious our situation has become over the past 20 years. When I was a kid the US ran huge grain surpluses. We would ship food around the world if famine struck. That’s gone now. We basically have zero grain surplus. One failed harvest due to a single cold night that produces a frost will cause havoc in the food markets. This year’s flooding and cold in the upper Midwest is going to be bad enough. Only something like 25% of North Dakota’s grain crop was planted at a time when most of it was already in. The fields are too wet or in some cases under water. The farmers are giving up planting. It only takes a year a degree or two below average to push the crop line hundreds of miles South.
All it takes is a single cold night to kill a crop. They can stand warm days without a problem. We don’t have the cushion we used to have. There are no longer any grain surpluses. As mandates for ethanol pushed corn prices up, farmers have shifted acreage out of wheat, oats, barley and rye into corn. The corn gets burned up in engines and not eaten. We now import wheat products from China.
One cold night and it is going to be a whole world of hurt.

rbateman
June 16, 2011 9:10 pm

The people in the Dark Ages did not fare well, neither did they do so ‘hot’ shortly after the MWP.
The uncertaintly in Grand Solar Minimums is that no two are exactly alike, that we know of.
It could be a small bear, it could be a Ursus Horribilius, or it could be a total Polar Bear.
Earthlings: Prepare for what you will.
Like the song said, “You don’t know what you got ’til it’s gone”.

Pete H
June 16, 2011 9:11 pm

Lets finish killing of the IPCC and its Green AGW supporters before we get a new lot of “grant seekers” sucking out of the public purse!

John F. Hultquist
June 16, 2011 9:44 pm

No one knows what is going to happen. Those that say they do cannot say how. Folks are doing Hansens and Gores – swan dive off a cliff and a back flip into an empty pool. Settle down.

Richard Sharpe
June 16, 2011 9:55 pm

SteveSadlov says on June 16, 2011 at 8:27 pm

If there is a Maunder, a goodly portion of the living may envy the dead.
The subsequent world war may actually seem to be of little consequence, after the initial wave of misery hits.

Steve, you old worry-wart.

After the war, a new Civilization, illiberal to the core, will likely arise. Aristocratic structures of old may reappear. Egalitarian notions would elicit castigation.

A good many are not listening. Best to make plans for you and yours.

Cassie King
June 16, 2011 9:57 pm

SteveSadlov says:
June 16, 2011 at 8:27 pm
If there is a Maunder, a goodly portion of the living may envy the dead.
People in the West by and large have forgotten what is what like to go really hungry and really cold, many have had it too easy for too long. The world is not the sugar candied land of milk and honey that many have come to
believe it is. Go to the shops and buy what you want, turn on the heater and watch the TV. Life has been just a little too good, like the summer days of our childhood that we thought would last forever. Ease breeds weakness, and weakness invites defeat. Think the regimes that have picked your pockets and grown so fat at your expense will save you? Do you really think they will go out of their way to save you when times get really tough? When the time of plenty comes there are many easy riders, and fair weather friends who will flatter you and take what they can but when times get tough, really tough then those easy riders will disappear as though they never existed.
We have had it too easy for too long and now the wheel of fortune looks like it is abut to come round once again, if you have ever known real hunger and real cold and real fear, you have a flavour of what may be coming, many have never known any of these things and they are in for the mother of all shocks. Many kids do not even know where their food comes from before it arrives at their plate and they care even less, they may well care when there is no food on that plate and they have to fight for every scrap that they now throw away. Nothing worse than the pain of an empty belly you cannot fill, it concentrates the mind wonderfully. In many ways a time of hardship and pain will be like a boot camp for a lazy fat teenager, it will be painful and it will be nasty but when the fat wears off and the callouses return and the muscles grow back so will the pride and the confidence.
Many believe that war and conflict was a thing of the past, many are going to be very shocked when they realise just what it takes to live and survive in a world that doesnt care if you live or die, the pampered middle classes of the metropolitan areas who can barely walk to their cars and would burst into floods of tears if a dog snarled at them are in for a rude awakening, those who have always had to struggle will adjust better of course and the transition to ‘dog eat dog’ and ‘if you dont fight for your life then someone will take it from you’ will come easy. The forces of law and order? If and when the dark and difficult times come the only law and order will what you carry in a shoulder holster and how prepared you are to fight for what is yours against those who are willing and desperate to take it from you, and there will be many of those.
My advice FWIW? Find your real true comrades and community and stick with them, prepare for the hard times and if they dont come then you have lost nothing have you?

SSam
June 16, 2011 9:59 pm

Harpo says:
June 16, 2011 at 8:58 pm
“There has to be a way to tax sunlight…. that’ll fix it.”
They already did that… in Michigan
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/05/16/krazy-in-kalamazoo-taxes-on-solar-farm-more-than-the-value-of-the-electricity-produced/

JB Williamson
June 16, 2011 10:20 pm

Harpo says:
June 16, 2011 at 8:58 pm
There has to be a way to tax sunlight…. that’ll fix it.
Ohh good, bring back the window tax! It would be daylight robbery.

Amino Acids in Meteorites
June 16, 2011 10:30 pm

Chris says:
June 16, 2011 at 6:20 pm
My opinion of this is…well if the medieval people could deal with it….so can we.
This video shows how some people in Europe dealt with the worst of the Little Ice Age. Positively Medieval. But mankind is past all that now……… right?

David Ball
June 16, 2011 10:38 pm

Warm or cold, prepare for either contingency. Although it might be interesting to snowmobile on ice 2 km thick.

David Ball
June 16, 2011 10:38 pm

I can see the peak of my interglacial from here, …..

Paul R
June 16, 2011 10:41 pm

Gee, imagine how well our governments will perform if the climate does actually do something nasty, instead of a slightly warm period in which we were made bankrupt.

Seraphim Hanisch
June 16, 2011 10:49 pm

I know what caused it!! I know what caused it!! It’s because we didn’t give up our SUV’s!!! Right, Mr. Gore? You know, folks, the earth was already in a cooling trend without this prediction, due to cold PDO and soon–to-come cold AMO. The change, if the Maunder-like thing is correct, will be probably enhanced cold. But that’s okay. We will adapt, but it would be much easier and less painless if we quit trying to jump to – and then blindly hold fast to – conclusions that may be totally wrong. We’re really new at these two sciences – climatology and Heliology (?) – and if we said “We don’t know, but we’ll roll with whatever happens”, we’d probably save ourselves a lot of strife and nonsense.
But as for me, I really hope the Warminigistas have their foolishness handed right back to them. I pray that Truth will prevail, and it will.

John F. Hultquist
June 16, 2011 10:51 pm

Cassie King says:
June 16, 2011 at 9:57 pm

What have you been smoking? Please explain in detail about finding real true comrades and community and how to prepare for hard times. Also, having done what you shall suggest, how do we know if the hard times are not coming or just slow in arriving. Do you have a place in mind for all real true comrades to gather? Is there a means (money, supplies, whatever) to carry out your plan for an extended period?

Chris Phillips
June 16, 2011 11:06 pm

Fortunately man made CO2 is the main driver of global temperature so we have no need to be concerned about this. /sarc

Amino Acids in Meteorites
June 16, 2011 11:28 pm

This news of long term low solar activity is also verification for Piers Corbyn
Piers Corbyn 100 year forecast:

June 16, 2011 11:34 pm

Since Warmistas know that CO2 is the sole forcing driver, and that solar output varies so little that it doesn’t count, this won’t faze them a bit. Till it does.

Cassie King
June 16, 2011 11:38 pm

John F. Hultquist says:
June 16, 2011 at 10:51 pm
Cassie King says:
June 16, 2011 at 9:57 pm
What have you been smoking?
Smirk now, it may make you feel good for now but if and when the hard times come along then remember me. Your family, your street where you live, your village or town, your church or your community centre. All these places, the places that many have forgotten about in the good times will be there during the bad times, the state wont be there for you and you can take that to the bank(if its still open).
I hope I am wrong and life carries on as before but history tells us the good times never last, the Romans believed their world would last till the end of time and now we can wander through the ruins and wonder about them. Time after time civilisations rise and fall to the natural climate cycle, do you really think our society is perfect and invulnerable? Have a good laugh on me now, believe I am some whack job survivalist if you want, just remember this, our civilisation is not as robust as you think it is, we walk on a knife edge and its a long way down if we fall.

Byz
June 16, 2011 11:58 pm

“Chris says:
My opinion of this is…well if the medieval people could deal with it….so can we.”
Unfortunately they didn’t cope very well with cooling events 🙁
The high Medieval period was considered a golden period (the medieval warm period) where food was plentiful and disease was lower due to general good health and was a period of population growth, due to the excellent conditions for agriculture.
The late medieval period (1300-1500) was initially very bad, it is a generally held view among historians that 1300 to 1400 was one of the worst periods in history to be alive 🙁
From 1300 to 1340 there were many years of crop failures across europe which weakened the health of the population. Then in 1347 the Black Death hit europe which killed a third to half of the population in two years leaving much of europe depopulated (europe didn’t recover to the same population levels until 1800).
After the diseases hit then there was massive social unrest (e.g. the peasants revolt, the hundred years war, various civil wars…etc), which continued into the 1700 to 1800’s.
What helped europe from 1500 onward was the discovery of the new world which allowed europeans to exploit the indigenous population and later slaves from africa to feather their own nests – I seem to remember some American colonists didn’t like the exploitation, I wonder what happened to them 😉
Stability only really started to return in the 1800 hundreds when the population again started to increase due to the industrial revolution.
So medieval people didn’t really deal with it they clung on through the 14th century and subjugated other areas in the world from 1492.
Be careful what you wish for you might just get it 😮