BREAKING – major AAS solar announcement: Sun's Fading Spots Signal Big Drop in Solar Activity

“If we are right, this could be the last solar maximum we’ll see for a few decades,” Hill said. “That would affect everything from space exploration to Earth’s climate.”

Update: see the official press release here – “All three of these lines of research to point to the familiar sunspot cycle shutting down for a while.”

It looks like Livingston and Penn are getting some long deserved recognition. See their graph below:

Graph above from the WUWT solar reference page. Note: when the B gauss reading of sunspots hits 1500, they will no longer have enough contrast to be visible. That may occur at or near the years 2015-2017. WUWT carried a story in 2008 warning of this.

The American Astronomical Society meeting in Los Cruces, NM has just made a major announcement on the state of the sun. Sunspots may be on the way out and an extended solar minimum may be on the horizon.

From Space.com reporting from the conference:

Some unusual solar readings, including fading sunspots and weakening magnetic activity near the poles, could be indications that our sun is preparing to be less active in the coming years.

The results of three separate studies seem to show that even as the current sunspot cycle swells toward the solar maximum, the sun could be heading into a more-dormant period, with activity during the next 11-year sunspot cycle greatly reduced or even eliminated.

The results of the new studies were announced today (June 14) at the annual meeting of the solar physics division of the American Astronomical Society, which is being held this week at New Mexico State University in Las Cruces.

Currently, the sun is in the midst of the period designated as Cycle 24 and is ramping up toward the cycle’s period of maximum activity. However, the recent findings indicate that the activity in the next 11-year solar cycle, Cycle 25, could be greatly reduced. In fact, some scientists are questioning whether this drop in activity could lead to a second Maunder Minimum, which was a 70-year period from 1645 to 1715 when the sun showed virtually no sunspots.

“We expected to see the start of the zonal flow for Cycle 25 by now, but we see no sign of it,” Hill said. “This indicates that the start of Cycle 25 may be delayed to 2021 or 2022, or may not happen at all.”

If the models prove accurate and the trends continue, the implications could be far-reaching.

“If we are right, this could be the last solar maximum we’ll see for a few decades,” Hill said. “That would affect everything from space exploration to Earth’s climate.”

More on this as it unfolds. This article will be updated as new information becomes available.

See also these previous WUWT posts leading up to this:

Solar activity still driving in the slow lane

Sun’s magnetics remain in a funk: sunspots may be on their way out

The sun is still in a slump – still not conforming to NOAA “consensus” forecasts

Livingston and Penn in EOS: Are Sunspots Different During This Solar Minimum?

Livingston and Penn paper: “Sunspots may vanish by 2015″.

Sunspots Today: A Cheshire Cat – New Essay from Livingston and Penn

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As I have been saying for some time:

The long term Ap (the solar geomagnetic index) has been on a downtrend, ever since there was a step change in October 2005.

Thanks to Leif Svalgaard, we have a more extensive and “official” Ap dataset (NOAA’s SWPC shown above has some small issues) that I’ve plotted below. The step change in October 2005 is still visible and the value of 3.9 that occurred in April of 2009 is the lowest for the entire dataset. The Ap Index was the lowest in 75 years then.

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And I’ve also plotted the 1991 to 2009 from BGS/Svalgaard to compare against the NOAA SWPC data:

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Dr. Leif Svalgaard writes:

Here are the abstracts of the three studies referred to in the announcement:

P16.10

Large-scale Zonal Flows During the Solar Minimum — Where Is Cycle 25?13

Frank Hill, R. Howe, R. Komm, J. Christensen-Dalsgaard, T. P. Larson, J. Schou, M. J. Thompson

The so-called torsional oscillation is a pattern of migrating zonal flow bands that move from midlatitudes towards the equator and poles as the magnetic cycle progresses. Helioseismology allows us to probe these flows below the solar surface. The prolonged solar minimum following Cycle 23 was accompanied by a delay of 1.5 to 2 years in the migration of bands of faster rotation towards the equator. During the rising phase of Cycle 24, while the lower-level bands match those seen in the rising phase of Cycle 23, the rotation rate at middle and higher latitudes remains slower than it was at the corresponding phase in earlier cycles, perhaps reflecting the weakness of the polar fields. In addition, there is no evidence of the poleward flow associated with Cycle 25. We will present the latest results based on nearly sixteen years of global helioseismic observations from GONG and MDI, with recent results from HMI, and discuss the implications for the development of Cycle 25.

P17.21

A Decade of Diminishing Sunspot Vigor

W. C. Livingston, M. Penn, L. Svalgaard

s Convention Center

Sunspots are small dark areas on the solar disk where internal magnetism, 1500 to 3500 Gauss, has been

buoyed to the surface. (Spot life times are the order of one day to a couple of weeks or more. They are thought to be dark because convection inhibits the outward transport of energy there). Their “vigor” can be described by spot area, spot brightness intensity, and magnetic field. From 2001 to 2011 we have measured field strength and brightness at the darkest position in umbrae of 1750 spots using the Zeeman splitting of the Fe 1564.8 nm line. Only one observation per spot per day is carried out during our monthly telescope time of 3-4 days average. Over this interval the temporal mean magnetic field has declined about 500 Gauss and mean spot intensity has risen about 20%. We do not understand the physical mechanism behind these changes or the effect, if any, it will have on the Earth environment.

P18.04

Whither goes Cycle 24? A View from the Fe XIV Corona

Richard C. Altrock

Solar Cycle 24 had a historically prolonged and weak start. Observations of the Fe XIV corona from the Sacramento Peak site of the National Solar Observatory showed an abnormal pattern of emission compared to observations of Cycles 21, 22, and 23 from the same instrument. The previous three cycles had a strong, rapid “Rush to the Poles” in Fe XIV. Cycle 24 displays a delayed, weak, intermittent, and slow “Rush” that is mainly apparent in the northern hemisphere. If this Rush persists at its current rate, evidence from previous cycles indicates that solar maximum will occur in approximately early 2013. At lower latitudes, solar maximum previously occurred when the greatest number of Fe XIV emission regions* first reached approximately 20° latitude. Currently, the value of this parameter at 20° is approximately 0.15. Previous behavior of this parameter indicates that solar maximum should occur in approximately two years, or 2013. Thus, both techniques yield an expected time of solar maximum in early 2013.

*annual average number of Fe XIV emission features per day greater than 0.19

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reason
June 14, 2011 1:05 pm

“It will be interesting to see how the MSM reprt on this.”
And next up…a video of the cutest puppies you’ve ever seen!

Richard Sharpe
June 14, 2011 1:06 pm

Jim Cripwell said:

Now, I gather it was presented [and] ate the American Astronomical Society meeting; quite an accomplishment for a rejected paper.

That is quite an accomplishment for a paper. I hope I preserved the correct intent of your sentence …

Matt
June 14, 2011 1:10 pm

“TJ Ameigh says:
June 14, 2011 at 10:26 am
This is why this is a great science blog. None of this is a surprise to regular readers.”
SPOT ON!
Me? – I have just opened a bottle of Coca Cola to have with a stiff brandy – after all – the planet is going to need all the CO2 it can get.

tallbloke
June 14, 2011 1:13 pm

Solar and co2
Let the clash of the climate drivers begin!
[Banzai voice]
So! which is strongest? Catastrophic Climate Cooking Co2
Or! Sizzling Solar Sudden Sunspot Strike?
Warming? Or Cooling?
Place bets NOWWWW!
[/Banzai voice]

Editor
June 14, 2011 1:24 pm

Jim Cripwell says:
June 14, 2011 at 11:47 am
> Let us not forget that the L&P paper was originally rejected for publication; why I never found out,
Science rejected it because it was a statistical paper and didn’t offer a hypothesis to explain the trend. I think they shouldn’t have started with Science, I think an astronomical journal would have been a better choice, but hey, I’m a software engineer, not a scientist.
This is a much better time to get the news out than a few years ago given that SC24 is getting lost in the wilderness.
The L&P observations are my favorite I-never-knew-that thing from WUWT, good to see it finally getting wider attention – and that the trend L&P documented is pretty much on track.
A good feather for the web’s cap (and especially WUWT), a miss for AAAS.

Alan Millar
June 14, 2011 1:26 pm

R. Gates
“. If it makes no difference (i.e. Europe get’s just as cold now as it did then) then we can pretty much throw away any caring about CO2 levels. If however, it doesn’t get as cold, or temps just sort of flat-line for 20 or 30 years, that also will tell us a great deal about the effects of CO2…meaning of course, that CO2 will have turned out to be a blessing in disguise…at least for the next 20 or 30 years.”
What are you on about? Are you putting on your parachute?
The warmanistas insist that there is only 0.1c difference between solar max and solar min. Therefore by the AGW theory, that you adhere to, then instead of increasing temps by 0.1c on top of the CO2 warming as we hit a solar max we will just experience a longstanding reduction of 0.1c which of course is insignificant as against a CO2 driven warming of 0.3c per decade.
So have you stopped believing in the AGW theory and have now moved to a solar driven position?
Alan

Theo Goodwin
June 14, 2011 1:28 pm

Now do we get to discuss the history of the Maunder Minimum? How far must temperatures drop for the Thames to be frozen for months at a time and support indefinitely large numbers of skaters?

June 14, 2011 1:32 pm

I’m looking forward to unReal Climate, Tammy et al debunking this one…

Steve C
June 14, 2011 1:33 pm

Hmm, it does rather look as though one of the bigger fish is beginning to cast worried looks in the same direction that a lot of us minnows have been for awhile. Not entirely surprising, but not welcome news for all that
Such fun we’re all going to have as we are “empowered” by our new, expensive, unreliable, centrally controlled energy supplies.

Mariel
June 14, 2011 1:35 pm

Wow, you guys are smart! (no irony intended). I would not understand the article
without your comments. I am science-uneducated. My son is a Ph.D. scientist who
tends to think he knows everything and still believes in the global warm.

Jørgen F.
June 14, 2011 1:35 pm

The Gore minimum = a minimum of Gore

Robertvdl
June 14, 2011 1:36 pm

Bilderberg Meetings
The 58th Bilderberg Meeting will be held in Sitges, Spain 3 – 6 June 2010. The Conference will deal mainly with Financial Reform, Security, Cyber Technology, Energy, Pakistan, Afghanistan, World Food Problem, GLOBAL COOLING, Social Networking, Medical Science, EU-US relations. Approximately 130 participants will attend of whom about two-thirds come from Europe and the balance from North America. About one-third is from government and politics, and two-thirds are from finance, industry, labor, education, and communications. The meeting is private in order to encourage frank and open discussion.
http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/meeting_2010.html
Don’t worry, they know.

Laurie Bowen
June 14, 2011 1:43 pm

I don’t know when I found this but I kept the link . . . I just would not be jumping to ANY alarmist conclusions . . . http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/images/Zurich_Color_Small.jpg

SSam
June 14, 2011 1:44 pm

Interesting 2009 paper. It may be of cursory interest.
Prediction of Grand Minima Ludwik Liszka and Rickard Lundin, IRF Scientific Report 299 May 2009 ISSN 0284-1703
“Conclusions
The precursor information detected during years 2000-2003 is very clear. If the situation
before the Dalton Minimum is repeated, it may be expected that the precursor information
will repeat around the next solar maximum and that the next Grand Minimum will start
approximately ten years from now. It is, of course, not possible to predict the severity of the
approaching minimum.”
http://www.umea.irf.se/ume/publications/pdf/IRFreport299_v2.pdf

jim hogg
June 14, 2011 1:47 pm

It hasn’t happened yet. Time will reveal all (maybe!).
But, on the claim made by Jones (referred to above) that there has been statistically significant warming over the last decade, this, from spaceweather.com earlier may be relevant:
“At a 2008 SORCE conference (Richard) Keen (uni of Colorado) reported that “the lunar eclipse record indicates a clear stratosphere over the past decade, and that this has contributed about 0.2 degrees to recent warming.””

Paul Westhaver
June 14, 2011 1:47 pm

Rayan Maue,,
Congrats… Drudge put the Space.com Link up…. not Anthony Watts’ .
Next Time AW!!!
That will be good for 1,000,000 hits.

bwanajohn
June 14, 2011 1:52 pm

R. Gates,
You keep repeating the 40% more CO2 number trying make mountain out of a mole hill. So what, we have gone from ~0.03 to ~ 0.039 % of the total atmosphere. Keeping in mind that water vapor is by far and away the dominate GHG, it’s like throwing another bucket of water in the ocean. Not to mention the fact that the effect of adding CO2 is not linear, I am not concerned.
That said, I am skeptical of the claims of this article as well. The proof will be in the pudding and I hope to God they are wrong. I like my world warm!

MattN
June 14, 2011 1:56 pm

OK. I’m glad this got press and all. But didn’t we say this years ago?
BTW, Landeschiedt predicted this decades ago….

tallbloke
June 14, 2011 1:59 pm

Theo Goodwin says:
June 14, 2011 at 1:28 pm (Edit)
Now do we get to discuss the history of the Maunder Minimum? How far must temperatures drop for the Thames to be frozen for months at a time and support indefinitely large numbers of skaters?

Not to mention the elephant and the bonfires.
http://www.ealinggazette.co.uk/ealing-news/history-nostalgia/2009/02/13/think-it-s-cold-try-walking-an-elephant-over-the-thames-64767-22917350/

June 14, 2011 1:59 pm

dtbronzich says:
Robert Felix has been justified by this, I think. I only hope that this is a precursor to a “little” Ice Age, and not a greater one.
This is what concerns me – when I look at the graphs indicating the previous ice ages and interglacials, it looks like the time is just about right for the current interglacial to be ending. What if the LIA was a precursor?
Although it won’t really matter to us – even if we ARE entering a full-blown ice age, the decline will take longer than any of us will live to see.

June 14, 2011 2:02 pm

Story from the future
Once there was harmony between man and the nature, there was harmony between the Sun and the Earth, there was harmony between the sunspot count and the temperature records. Accurate temperatures were recorded since 1850, sunspots since were accurately counted too. Everything was a hunky-dory, correlation between the sunspot count and the temperature change was comfortingly high. Science was a pleasure to do.
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/ST.htm
Then cometh the 1950s cometh the man with the nuclear explosions. The Earth became angry, its magnetic field got shaken to its core, it decided to hit the man with an ice age (remember 1960’s theories). Man retaliated with excessive CO2 emissions (remember 1990/2000s theories) overheated the atmosphere, everything went haywire, harmony (and the correlation) were destroyed for decades and centuries since.

Mike Abbott
June 14, 2011 2:03 pm

Jason Bair says:
June 14, 2011 at 12:38 pm
http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/06/14/6857473-solar-forecast-hints-at-a-big-chill
Looks like msnbc is leaning on cooler times as well. Shoot, its their headline for the article. There’s some spin, but not as much as I’d think.
Nail in GW coffin.

Thanks for that link. Gavin Schmidt is quoted extensively in that article. He says even if there is another Maunder Minimum, the effect of greenhouse-gas emissions would be on the order of 10 times as great. “What you might see over a 20- to 30-year period is a slight slowdown in the pace of warming,” Schmidt said. “In terms of how we should think about climate change prediction in the future, reducing emissions and so on, it really wouldn’t make much of a difference.”

Gene Nemetz
June 14, 2011 2:04 pm

Livingston and Penn are getting some long deserved recognition
It may also be some for Boris Komitov, Vladimir Kaftan:
“…….a supercenturial solar minimum will be occurring during the next few decades…. It will be similar in magnitude to the Dalton minimum, but probably longer as the last one.”
http://www.astro.bas.bg/~komitov/sunhis_e.pdf
http://www.astro.bas.bg/AIJ/issues/n9/BKomitov.pdf

Wil
June 14, 2011 2:05 pm

From NBC News: Gavin Schmidt, a climatologist at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies and one of the founders of the RealClimate blog said the effects of solar activity on climate over the past 30 years have been “at the margin of what we can detect. If we were to see a return to what’s called Maunder Minimum conditions in the next 50 years or so, that would be interesting,” Schmidt said. “I think we’d learn a lot about solar physics and solar variability. … It’s going to be scientifically very exciting if all this pans out.”
Even then, however, he estimated that the effect of greenhouse-gas emissions would be on the order of 10 times as great. “What you might see over a 20- to 30-year period is a slight slowdown in the pace of warming,” Schmidt said. “In terms of how we should think about climate change prediction in the future, reducing emissions and so on, it really wouldn’t make much of a difference.”
There you have it – the Global Warming machine’s approach to this this announcement – nothing here, move along.

curtis michalak
June 14, 2011 2:08 pm

Amazing…. This article is full of nothing but BS. Do they think we are stupid or something. This article is just another disinformation ploy to prevent u from find the truth.

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