"Earth itself is telling us there’s nothing to worry about in doubled, or even quadrupled, atmospheric CO2"

Readers may recall Pat Franks’s excellent essay on uncertainty in the temperature record.  He emailed me about this new essay he posted on the Air Vent, with suggestions I cover it at WUWT, I regret it got lost in my firehose of daily email. Here it is now.  – Anthony

Future Perfect

By Pat Frank

In my recent “New Science of Climate Change” post here on Jeff’s tAV, the cosine fits to differences among the various GISS surface air temperature anomaly data sets were intriguing. So, I decided to see what, if anything, cosines might tell us about the surface air temperature anomaly trends themselves.  It turned out they have a lot to reveal.

As a qualifier, regular tAV readers know that I’ve published on the amazing neglect of the systematic instrumental error present in the surface air temperature record It seems certain that surface air temperatures are so contaminated with systematic error – at least (+/-)0.5 C — that the global air temperature anomaly trends have no climatological meaning. I’ve done further work on this issue and, although the analysis is incomplete, so far it looks like the systematic instrumental error may be worse than we thought. J But that’s for another time.

Systematic error is funny business. In surface air temperatures it’s not necessarily a constant offset but is a variable error. That means it not only biases the mean of a data set, but it is likely to have an asymmetric distribution in the data. Systematic error of that sort in a temperature series may enhance a time-wise trend or diminish it, or switch back-and-forth in some unpredictable way between these two effects. Since the systematic error arises from the effects of weather on the temperature sensors, the systematic error will vary continuously with the weather. The mean error bias will be different for every data set and so with the distribution envelope of the systematic error.

For right now, though, I’d like to put all that aside and proceed with an analysis that accepts the air temperature context as found within the IPCC ballpark. That is, for the purposes of this analysis I’m assuming that the global average surface air temperature anomaly trends are real and meaningful.

I have the GISS and the CRU annual surface air temperature anomaly data sets out to 2010. In order to make the analyses comparable, I used the GISS start time of 1880. Figure 1 shows what happened when I fit these data with a combined cosine function plus a linear trend. Both data sets were well-fit.

The unfit residuals are shown below the main plots. A linear fit to the residuals tracked exactly along the zero line, to 1 part in ~10^5. This shows that both sets of anomaly data are very well represented by a cosine-like oscillation plus a rising linear trend. The linear parts of the fitted trends were: GISS, 0.057 C/decade and CRU, 0.058 C/decade.

Figure 1. Upper: Trends for the annual surface air temperature anomalies, showing the OLS fits with a combined cosine function plus a linear trend. Lower: The (data minus fit) residual. The colored lines along the zero axis are linear fits to the respective residual. These show the unfit residuals have no net trend. Part a, GISS data; part b, CRU data.

Removing the oscillations from the global anomaly trends should leave only the linear parts of the trends. What does that look like?  Figure 2 shows this: the linear trends remaining in the GISS and CRU anomaly data sets after the cosine is subtracted away. The pure subtracted cosines are displayed below each plot.

Each of the plots showing the linearized trends also includes two straight lines. One of them is the line from the cosine plus linear fits of Figure 1. The other straight line is a linear least squares fit to the linearized trends. The linear fits had slopes of: GISS, 0.058 C/decade and CRU, 0.058 C/decade, which may as well be identical to the line slopes from the fits in Figure 1.

Figure 1 and Figure 2 show that to a high degree of certainty, and apart from year-to-year temperature variability, the entire trend in global air temperatures since 1880 can be explained by a linear trend plus an oscillation.

Figure 3 shows that the GISS cosine and the CRU cosine are very similar – probably identical given the quality of the data. They show a period of about 60 years, and an intensity of about (+/-)0.1 C. These oscillations are clearly responsible for the visually arresting slope changes in the anomaly trends after 1915 and after 1975.

Figure 2. Upper: The linear part of the annual surface average air temperature anomaly trends, obtained by subtracting the fitted cosines from the entire trends. The two straight lines in each plot are: OLS fits to the linear trends and, the linear parts of the fits shown in Figure 1. The two lines overlay. Lower: The subtracted cosine functions.

The surface air temperature data sets consist of land surface temperatures plus the SSTs. It seems reasonable that the oscillation represented by the cosine stems from a net heating-cooling cycle of the world ocean.

Figure 3: Comparison of the GISS and CRU fitted cosines.

The major oceanic cycles include the PDO, the AMO, and the Indian Ocean oscillation. Joe D’aleo has a nice summary of these here (pdf download).

The combined PDO+AMO is a rough oscillation and has a period of about 55 years, with a 20th century maximum near 1937 and a minimum near 1972 (D’Aleo Figure 11). The combined ocean cycle appears to be close to another maximum near 2002 (although the PDO has turned south). The period and phase of the PDO+AMO correspond very well with the fitted GISS and CRU cosines, and so it appears we’ve found a net world ocean thermal signature in the air temperature anomaly data sets.

In the “New Science” post we saw a weak oscillation appear in the GISS surface anomaly difference data after 1999, when the SSTs were added in. Prior and up to 1999, the GISS surface anomaly data included only the land surface temperatures.

So, I checked the GISS 1999 land surface anomaly data set to see whether it, too, could be represented by a cosine-like oscillation plus a linear trend. And so it could. The oscillation had a period of 63 years and an intensity of (+/-)0.1 C. The linear trend was 0.047 C/decade; pretty much the same oscillation but a slower warming trend by 0.1 C/decade. So, it appears that the net world ocean thermal oscillation is teleconnected into the global land surface air temperatures.

But that’s not the analysis that interested me. Figure 2 appears to show that the entire 130 years between 1880 and 2010 has had a steady warming trend of about 0.058 C/decade. This seems to explain the almost rock-steady 20th century rise in sea level, doesn’t it.

The argument has always been that the climate of the first 40-50 years of the 20th century was unaffected by human-produced GHGs. After 1960 or so, certainly after 1975, the GHG effect kicked in, and the thermal trend of the global air temperatures began to show a human influence. So the story goes.

Isn’t that claim refuted if the late 20th century warmed at the same rate as the early 20th century? That seems to be the message of Figure 2.

But the analysis can be carried further. The early and late air temperature anomaly trends can be assessed separately, and then compared. That’s what was done for Figure 4, again using the GISS and CRU data sets. In each data set, I fit the anomalies separately over 1880-1940, and over 1960-2010.  In the “New Science of Climate Change” post, I showed that these linear fits can be badly biased by the choice of starting points. The anomaly profile at 1960 is similar to the profile at 1880, and so these two starting points seem to impart no obvious bias. Visually, the slope of the anomaly temperatures after 1960 seems pretty steady, especially in the GISS data set.

Figure 4 shows the results of these separate fits, yielding the linear warming trend for the early and late parts of the last 130 years.

Figure 4: The Figure 2 linearized trends from the GISS and CRU surface air temperature anomalies showing separate OLS linear fits to the 1880-1940 and 1960-2010 sections.

The fit results of the early and later temperature anomaly trends are in Table 1.

 

Table 1: Decadal Warming Rates for the Early and Late Periods.

Data Set

C/d (1880-1940)

C/d (1960-2010)

(late minus early)

GISS

0.056

0.087

0.031

CRU

0.044

0.073

0.029

“C/d” is the slope of the fitted lines in Celsius per decade.

So there we have it. Both data sets show the later period warmed more quickly than the earlier period. Although the GISS and CRU rates differ by about 12%, the changes in rate (data column 3) are identical.

If we accept the IPCC/AGW paradigm and grant the climatological purity of the early 20th century, then the natural recovery rate from the LIA averages about 0.05 C/decade. To proceed, we have to assume that the natural rate of 0.05 C/decade was fated to remain unchanged for the entire 130 years, through to 2010.

Assuming that, then the increased slope of 0.03 C/decade after 1960 is due to the malign influences from the unnatural and impure human-produced GHGs.

Granting all that, we now have a handle on the most climatologically elusive quantity of all: the climate sensitivity to GHGs.

I still have all the atmospheric forcings for CO2, methane, and nitrous oxide that I calculated up for my http://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/a-climate-of-belief/”>Skeptic paper. Together, these constitute the great bulk of new GHG forcing since 1880. Total chlorofluorocarbons add another 10% or so, but that’s not a large impact so they were ignored.

All we need do now is plot the progressive trend in recent GHG forcing against the balefully apparent human-caused 0.03 C/decade trend, all between the years 1960-2010, and the slope gives us the climate sensitivity in C/(W-m^-2).  That plot is in Figure 5.

Figure 5. Blue line: the 1960-2010 excess warming, 0.03 C/decade, plotted against the net GHG forcing trend due to increasing CO2, CH4, and N2O. Red line: the OLS linear fit to the forcing-temperature curve (r^2=0.991). Inset: the same lines extended through to the year 2100.

There’s a surprise: the trend line shows a curved dependence. More on that later. The red line in Figure 5 is a linear fit to the blue line. It yielded a slope of 0.090 C/W-m^-2.

So there it is: every Watt per meter squared of additional GHG forcing, during the last 50 years, has increased the global average surface air temperature by 0.09 C.

Spread the word: the Earth climate sensitivity is 0.090 C/W-m^-2.

The IPCC says that the increased forcing due to doubled CO2, the bug-bear of climate alarm, is about 3.8 W/m^2. The consequent increase in global average air temperature is mid-ranged at 3 Celsius. So, the IPCC officially says that Earth’s climate sensitivity is 0.79 C/W-m^-2. That’s 8.8x larger than what Earth says it is.

Our empirical sensitivity says doubled CO2 alone will cause an average air temperature rise of 0.34 C above any natural increase.  This value is 4.4x -13x smaller than the range projected by the IPCC.

The total increased forcing due to doubled CO2, plus projected increases in atmospheric methane and nitrous oxide, is 5 W/m^2. The linear model says this will lead to a projected average air temperature rise of 0.45 C. This is about the rise in temperature we’ve experienced since 1980. Is that scary, or what?

But back to the negative curvature of the sensitivity plot. The change in air temperature is supposed to be linear with forcing. But here we see that for 50 years average air temperature has been negatively curved with forcing. Something is happening. In proper AGW climatology fashion, I could suppose that the data are wrong because models are always right.

But in my own scientific practice (and the practice of everyone else I know), data are the measure of theory and not vice versa. Kevin, Michael, and Gavin may criticize me for that because climatology is different and unique and Ravetzian, but I’ll go with the primary standard of science anyway.

So, what does negative curvature mean? If it’s real, that is. It means that the sensitivity of climate to GHG forcing has been decreasing all the while the GHG forcing itself has been increasing.

If I didn’t know better, I’d say the data are telling us that something in the climate system is adjusting to the GHG forcing. It’s imposing a progressively negative feedback.

It couldn’t be  the negative feedback of Roy Spencer’s clouds, could it?

The climate, in other words, is showing stability in the face of a perturbation. As the perturbation is increasing, the negative compensation by the climate is increasing as well.

Let’s suppose the last 50 years are an indication of how the climate system will respond to the next 100 years of a continued increase in GHG forcing.

The inset of Figure 5 shows how the climate might respond to a steadily increased GHG forcing right up to the year 2100. That’s up through a quadrupling of atmospheric CO2.

The red line indicates the projected increase in temperature if the 0.03 C/decade linear fit model was true. Alternatively, the blue line shows how global average air temperature might respond, if the empirical negative feedback response is true.

If the climate continues to respond as it has already done, by 2100 the increase in temperature will be fully 50% less than it would be if the linear response model was true. And the linear response model produces a much smaller temperature increase than the IPCC climate model, umm, model.

Semi-empirical linear model: 0.84 C warmer by 2100.

Fully empirical negative feedback model: 0.42 C warmer by 2100.

And that’s with 10 W/m^2 of additional GHG forcing and an atmospheric CO2 level of 1274 ppmv. By way of comparison, the IPCC A2 model assumed a year 2100 atmosphere with 1250 ppmv of CO2 and a global average air temperature increase of 3.6 C.

So let’s add that: Official IPCC A2 model: 3.6 C warmer by 2100.

The semi-empirical linear model alone, empirically grounded in 50 years of actual data, says the temperature will have increased only 0.23 of the IPCC’s A2 model prediction of 3.6 C.

And if we go with the empirical negative feedback inference provided by Earth, the year 2100 temperature increase will be 0.12 of the IPCC projection.

So, there’s a nice lesson for the IPCC and the AGW modelers, about GCM projections: they are contradicted by the data of Earth itself. Interestingly enough, Earth contradicted the same crew, big time, at the hands Demetris Koutsoyiannis, too.

So, is all of this physically real? Let’s put it this way: it’s all empirically grounded in real temperature numbers. That, at least, makes this analysis far more physically real than any paleo-temperature reconstruction that attaches a temperature label to tree ring metrics or to principal components.

Clearly, though, since unknown amounts of systematic error are attached to global temperatures, we don’t know if any of this is physically real.

But we can say this to anyone who assigns physical reality to the global average surface air temperature record, or who insists that the anomaly record is climatologically meaningful: The surface air temperatures themselves say that Earth’s climate has a very low sensitivity to GHG forcing.

The major assumption used for this analysis, that the climate of the early part of the 20th century was free of human influence, is common throughout the AGW literature. The second assumption, that the natural underlying warming trend continued through the second half of the last 130 years, is also reasonable given the typical views expressed about a constant natural variability. The rest of the analysis automatically follows.

In the context of the IPCC’s very own ballpark, Earth itself is telling us there’s nothing to worry about in doubled, or even quadrupled, atmospheric CO2.

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June 13, 2011 8:02 pm

Pat Frank says:
June 13, 2011 at 4:26 pm
Now, if you tell me that your wave has no predictive power, then, of course, you are off the hook as far as numerology is concerned. Is this what you are claiming? you sort of went quiet on this.

June 13, 2011 8:16 pm

Bart says:
June 13, 2011 at 6:12 pm
“You are missing a teaching moment.”
Looking at autocorrelations of Loehle’s data I find: http://www.leif.org/research/Loehle-Autocorrelations.pdf
I see no power [above the noise] below ~100 years. If you could stop your attacks [‘delusions’, etc] just for a minute and explain what I see that would be progress.

June 13, 2011 8:32 pm

Leif, you wrote, “Of course the wave is in the data.” That implies you have acceded to the analysis in my post.
On the other hand, if one cannot extend the wave in the future, then it has little interest.” Not correct. See below.
Extending it is the numerology.” So, that means you withdraw your “numerology” diagnosis with respect to the analysis here for example, or here or here,and now agree you improperly applied it to an analysis clearly restricted to the 130-year anomaly trend.
Now, if you tell me that your wave has no predictive power,…” I’ll tell you the same thing I told Tamino, when he made that mistake: It’s an empirical analysis. We’ll just have to wait for 10 years or so to see if the oscillation persists. That’s the test, isn’t it.
then, of course, you are off the hook as far as numerology is concerned,…” I was always off the hook as far as numerology is concerned. Your diagnosis rested on a misperception. You’ve now tacitly agreed that you inferred what was not in evidence.
… but then your wave is not really of interest anymore.” Also not correct. It’s of interest because the oscillation is apparently in the full 130 year temperature record. It has strongly influenced the shape of the anomaly trend. Remove the oscillation, and our understanding of the trend and of the global average air temperature history of the climate since 1880, are profoundly affected. So is our understanding of the climate sensitivity. That was the whole result of the analysis. How could you have missed it so thoroughly?
Of course, it all depends on whether the temperature anomalies are accurate. For the sake of the analysis I began by assuming the IPCC/CRU/UK Met/GISS position on the veracity of the global average temperature anomaly record. However, I’ve shown they’re wrong (pdf) about that and that the anomaly record is climatologically useless. See also my paper in the upcoming E&E 22(4), out later this month. It’s peer-reviewed, as was the previous paper, and will be open access.

June 13, 2011 8:46 pm

Leif, do you understand the difference between an empirical data analysis and a prediction from theory?
Experimental scientists (and engineers) must work all the time with data for which there is no complete theoretical description. That means you have to make a phenomenological analysis, and then do more experiments to see how the results turn out. Those results inform one about the extensive (or intensive) power of the phenomenological model. From that, it may even become possible to develop a theory. This is standard practice, but you seem completely unfamiliar with the process. Haven’t you ever done it? It’s one of the most important pathways to theory extension or development.

June 13, 2011 8:50 pm

Pat Frank says:
June 13, 2011 at 8:32 pm
Leif, you wrote, “Of course the wave is in the data.” That implies you have acceded to the analysis in my post.
One does not accede to data. Anyone can see the wave by eye. No analysis needed.
“Extending it is the numerology.” So, that means you withdraw your “numerology” diagnosis with respect to the analysis here for example, or here or here,and now agree you improperly applied it to an analysis clearly restricted to the 130-year anomaly trend.
You do not understand that the numerology applies if you assume that the the wave extends beyond the data.
We’ll just have to wait for 10 years or so to see if the oscillation persists. That’s the test, isn’t it.
Without a plausible mechanism, it would still be numerology ans we would not know if it will persist even further.
misperception. You’ve now tacitly agreed that you inferred what was not in evidence.
Talking about misperception! I infer nothing, just tell you that assuming the wave persisting past its domain is numerology.
“… but then your wave is not really of interest anymore.” Also not correct. It’s of interest because the oscillation is apparently in the full 130 year temperature record. It has strongly influenced the shape of the anomaly trend.
No, it has not influenced the trend. It is part of the trend.
Remove the oscillation, and our understanding of the trend and of the global average air temperature history of the climate since 1880, are profoundly affected.
since the wave is just a description of the observed data, removing it would be removing the data, and that would indeed be profound.
So is our understanding of the climate sensitivity. That was the whole result of the analysis. How could you have missed it so thoroughly?
The wave is not ‘our understanding’ of anything. It is just a description of the observations [smoothed and simplified]. This should not be lost on anybody.
the anomaly record is climatologically useless.
this includes your 60-yr wave?

June 13, 2011 9:28 pm

Pat Frank says:
June 13, 2011 at 8:46 pm
Experimental scientists (and engineers) must work all the time with data for which there is no complete theoretical description.
The operative word here is ‘complete’. If there is ‘some’ theory [even crude], then the description is no longer numerology. If there is no theory, the description is still numerology. That is the distinction. This you should readily embrace and understand. Leave out ‘complete’ and read your sentence again. I don’t know any reputable engineering firm constructing things working with stuff for which there is no understanding at all.
An example is prediction of the sunspot cycle. Hathaway’s was pure numerology because he said that he had no idea how it worked [and it actually failed for SC24]. Our prediction [which seems to be borne out] was based [however crudely] on the theoretical expectation that stronger polar fields would lead to enhanced dynamo action and thus more sunspots. We have no ‘complete’ understanding, but we have ‘some’, and that is enough. To say that the climate system might have internal cycles [of unknown origin] is not enough of a theoretical understanding to move your analysis out of numerology. Your wave might fail [as Hathaway’s did], you say we’ll just have to wait and see. This means that the wave has no predictive capability and might fail at any moment, as Hathaway’s did.

June 13, 2011 9:53 pm

Pat Frank says:
June 13, 2011 at 8:46 pm
It’s one of the most important pathways to theory extension or development.
and one man’s numerology [e.g. Balmer’s] might lead to another man’s insight [e.g. Bohr’s], so what is your problem? Your numerology might lead to another man’s breakthrough understanding.

Bart
June 13, 2011 10:45 pm

Leif Svalgaard says:
June 13, 2011 at 8:00 pm
“On your plot, the 88-year cycle has a power of 0.31 deg^2”
You are so far out of your depth in this subject, Leif, and you refuse to learn.
Height is not a significant quantity in a PSD, only area under the curve. Here’s a hint: watch your units.
We. Are. Done, you and I.

June 13, 2011 10:49 pm

Leif, are you suggesting there’s no physics-theoretical reason for supposing that global SSTs have an oscillatory component?
Notice the spectral analysis of 820 years of SST-driven precipitation in Yellowstone, in Figure 1 of this paper. It has ~20 year and ~60 year peaks, and over all shows results very much like Bart’s PSD of HadCruT3v. Figure 2 and Figure 4 in this paper are also worth a look.
Finally, there’s Chen, G., B. Shao, Y. Han, J. Ma, and B. Chapron (2010) “Modality of semiannual to multidecadal oscillations in global sea surface temperature variability J. Geophys. Res. Oceans, 115, C03005, doi:10.1029/2009JC005574., here, which discusses interdecadal oscillations (IDO) of climate and from the abstract, “it is revealed that a canonical modal spectrum of decadal‐to‐centennial SST variability constitutes four most distinct oscillations with periodicities at 9.0, 13.0, 21.2, and 62.2 years, which are naturally defined as primary modes and are, respectively, termed as the subdecadal mode, the quasidecadal mode, the interdecadal mode, and the multidecadal mode (modes S, Q, I, and M).” Note the final two modes repeat Bart’s result and the Yellowstone precipitation periods.

Bart
June 13, 2011 10:52 pm

“If you could stop your attacks… just for a minute and explain what I see that would be progress.”
Maybe, if you had asked questions, instead of making accusations, you would have received a better reception.

June 13, 2011 10:52 pm

Leif, and your insistent abuse of language in this context should embarrass a scientist.

June 13, 2011 10:56 pm

by the way, Leif, note that the 62.2 year multidecadal mode M is also virtually identical to the period derived from the cosine fits to the 130-year GISS and CRU anomalies.

Bart
June 13, 2011 11:01 pm

“…results very much like Bart’s PSD of HadCruT3v…”
“…final two modes repeat Bart’s result…”
Hooah! Thanks, Pat.

Bart
June 13, 2011 11:39 pm

One more question will I answer.
Leif Svalgaard says:
June 13, 2011 at 8:00 pm
“Your 88-year cycle is larger than the 62 and 23-year cycles. Where is it in the modern data?”
Possibilities:
A) Data record too short to resolve – I used the last 100 years of HADCRUT3v data
B) Power too weak to be observed – These are not, generally, steady state sinusoids. They surge, and they decline. They may be relatively constant over decades or centuries. They may exhibit apparent beats. They may fade to nothing for an extended interval, then leap up again some time later. They are random processes.
C) It may be an artifact of Loehle’s construction – remember, I agreed that Loehle’s data might not be particularly good, but I stated I believed in the ~60 year and ~20 year processes because I saw them repeated in the 20th century data.

June 14, 2011 4:01 am

Pat Frank says:
June 13, 2011 at 10:49 pm
Leif, are you suggesting there’s no physics-theoretical reason for supposing that global SSTs have an oscillatory component?
The authors themselves state: “The actual physical mechanisms that explain the associations between the North Atlantic Ocean and the hydro-climate of North America are still unknown”.
Pat Frank says:
June 13, 2011 at 10:52 pm
Leif, and your insistent abuse of language in this context should embarrass a scientist.
“and one man’s numerology [e.g. Balmer’s] might lead to another man’s insight [e.g. Bohr’s], so what is your problem? Your numerology might lead to another man’s breakthrough understanding” is ‘abuse of language’ ??
Bart says:
June 13, 2011 at 10:52 pm
“If you could stop your attacks… just for a minute and explain what I see that would be progress.”
Maybe, if you had asked questions, instead of making accusations, you would have received a better reception.

Well, no reasonable reaction from your side. I had hoped for better.

June 14, 2011 10:17 am

Leif, and so, “The actual physical mechanisms that explain the associations between the North Atlantic Ocean and the hydro-climate of North America are still unknown.” means that there is no physical theoretic explanation for the thermal oscillations of the ocean (as opposed to the association with land hydrology). You’re projecting meaning that’s not in evidence.
Oscillation theory for ENSO
Theory of inertial oscillations in rotating incompressible liquids.
Theory of oceanic thermal oscillations as ocean basin resonant modes activated by random atmospheric stimulation, which specifically mentions 20-year and 60-year modes.
F. Primeau (2002) “Long Rossby Wave Basin-Crossing Time and the Resonance of Low-Frequency Basin Modes” J. Phys. Oceanogr., 32, 2652–2665. The full paper
Yes, it’s abuse of language. Numerology is evidently your attributive fixation; it’s not a physically justified data analysis.

June 14, 2011 10:18 am
June 14, 2011 10:39 am

Pat Frank says:
June 14, 2011 at 10:17 am
Theory of oceanic thermal oscillations as ocean basin resonant modes activated by random atmospheric stimulation, which specifically mentions 20-year and 60-year modes.
There is no understanding why those particular numbers should be observed. And no claim that they are strictly periodic [which means there can be used for prediction]. On the contrary they are exited by random stimulation.
Yes, it’s abuse of language. Numerology is evidently your attributive fixation; it’s not a physically justified data analysis.
Over at http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/06/13/solar-activity-still-driving-in-the-slow-lane I say:
Leif Svalgaard says:
June 14, 2011 at 8:44 am
“At this point the L&P finding has the nature of numerology in the sense that we do not a mechanism to explain it [or even make it plausible]. We cannot just extrapolate into the future. We can, of course, [as we do] say that IF it continues, then such and such. The main obstacle is that we do not know how a sunspot forms.”
So your numerology is in good company.

June 14, 2011 11:36 am

I’m not reassured, Leif. Numerology is just your idiosyncratic nomenclature.
Bart has already pointed out that random stimulation excites normal modes. Normal modes are resonant to a given system, and are intrinsic. The observed modes are a function, in part, of the boundary conditions imposed by the ocean basins.
Here’s the abstract from Primeau’s paper. Note especially the last paragraph: “The ability of long-wave low-frequency basin modes to be resonantly excited depends on the efficiency with which energy fluxed onto the western boundary can be transmitted back to the eastern boundary. This efficiency is greatly reduced for basins in which the long Rossby wave basin-crossing time is latitude dependent.
“In the singular case where the basin-crossing time is independent of latitude, the amplitude of resonantly excited long-wave basin modes grows without bound except for the effects of friction. The speed of long Rossby waves is independent of latitude for quasigeostrophic dynamics, and the rectangular basin geometry often used for theoretical studies of the wind-driven ocean circulation is such a singular case for quasigeostrophic dynamics.
“For more realistic basin geometries, where only a fraction of the energy incident on the western boundary can be transmitted back to the eastern boundary, the modes have a finite decay rate that in the limit of weak friction is independent of the choice of frictional parameters. Explicit eigenmode computations for a basin geometry similar to the North Pacific but closed along the equator yield basin modes sufficiently weakly damped that they could be resonantly excited.

Further theory: LaCasce, J. H., Joseph Pedlosky (2002) “Baroclinic Rossby Waves in Irregular Basins” . J. Phys. Oceanogr., 32, 2828–2847, here
From the abstract: “Full analytical solutions are derived to elucidate the response in irregular basins, specifically in a (horizontally) tilted rectangular basin and in a circular one. When the basin is much larger than the (internal) deformation radius, the basin mode properties depend profoundly on whether one allows the streamfunction to oscillate at the boundary or not, as has been shown previously. With boundary oscillations, modes occur that have low frequencies and, with scale-selective dissipation, decay at a rate less than or equal to that of the imposed dissipation. These modes approximately satisfy the long-wave equation in the interior.

June 14, 2011 11:48 am

Pat Frank says:
June 14, 2011 at 11:36 am
I’m not reassured, Leif. Numerology is just your idiosyncratic nomenclature.
I gave you several links to Balmer’s numerology and showed that it is standard terminology, not just mine invention.
Bart has already pointed out that random stimulation excites normal modes. Normal modes are resonant to a given system, and are intrinsic.
Find me papers that calculate 20 and 60 years as the periods of these normal modes. The various links you have presented that mention those periods have them at barely significant above the red noise level. Show me a paper that tries to predict the climate based on those periods.

Bart
June 14, 2011 1:41 pm

It is very interesting to see all the references Pat has dug up. Good to know people are looking into this. I had no knowledge that they were. It was just so blatantly obvious to me that the climate system ought to exhibit this type of behavior. It really is ubiquitous and universal.
The modes are driven by random excitation, but that does not mean they do not have predictive value. It is too early to say how much because, so far as I am aware, a good model has not been developed. However, when a mode is as charged up and near its peak as this ~60 year one appears to be, it is a good bet that it will dominate the dynamics in the near term, and we are likely to see a distinct downturn in the global temperature measure, whatever it is actually measuring, in the not too distant future.
Once that is seen and recognized, and enough resources are directed toward performing a modal survey and quantifying the drivers, then we could develop much better predictive tools.

June 14, 2011 3:55 pm

Bart, given the theoretical context that turned up and the literature precedent finding 20- and 60-year cycles in long term climate records, it seems to me, suddenly, that your PSD analysis of HadCRU plus the cosine fits, put into that total context, could be turned into a GRL submission.
What do you think? If you’re interested, email me at pfrank830 *at* earthlink * dot* net.
Leif, you’re just shifting your ground on what you require. You wanted a theoretical description of ocean oscillatory modes. You have it. Now you want a complete theory of climate.

June 14, 2011 4:38 pm

Pat Frank says:
June 14, 2011 at 3:55 pm
Leif, you’re just shifting your ground on what you require. You wanted a theoretical description of ocean oscillatory modes. You have it. Now you want a complete theory of climate.
No, I wanted a justification [no matter how crude] for the particular values 22 and 62. Everybody knows that bodies of fluids have modes. This is like Bart’s silly notion that everything in the Universe is cyclic so that justifies every marginal peak we see. And papers that use these particular values to predict climate, i.e. try to take the numerology further.

June 14, 2011 8:15 pm

Leif, the empirical studies I linked above show the 22-year and 60-year periods appear in long climate records. That’s justification.

June 14, 2011 9:00 pm

Pat Frank says:
June 14, 2011 at 8:15 pm
Leif, the empirical studies I linked above show the 22-year and 60-year periods appear in long climate records. That’s justification.
But applying the periods as if they were cycles and have predictive power is numerology. Even people that push the periods talk about ‘regime shifts’ when the cycles suddenly fail.