Readers may recall Pat Franks’s excellent essay on uncertainty in the temperature record. He emailed me about this new essay he posted on the Air Vent, with suggestions I cover it at WUWT, I regret it got lost in my firehose of daily email. Here it is now. – Anthony
Future Perfect
By Pat Frank
In my recent “New Science of Climate Change” post here on Jeff’s tAV, the cosine fits to differences among the various GISS surface air temperature anomaly data sets were intriguing. So, I decided to see what, if anything, cosines might tell us about the surface air temperature anomaly trends themselves. It turned out they have a lot to reveal.
As a qualifier, regular tAV readers know that I’ve published on the amazing neglect of the systematic instrumental error present in the surface air temperature record It seems certain that surface air temperatures are so contaminated with systematic error – at least (+/-)0.5 C — that the global air temperature anomaly trends have no climatological meaning. I’ve done further work on this issue and, although the analysis is incomplete, so far it looks like the systematic instrumental error may be worse than we thought. J But that’s for another time.
Systematic error is funny business. In surface air temperatures it’s not necessarily a constant offset but is a variable error. That means it not only biases the mean of a data set, but it is likely to have an asymmetric distribution in the data. Systematic error of that sort in a temperature series may enhance a time-wise trend or diminish it, or switch back-and-forth in some unpredictable way between these two effects. Since the systematic error arises from the effects of weather on the temperature sensors, the systematic error will vary continuously with the weather. The mean error bias will be different for every data set and so with the distribution envelope of the systematic error.
For right now, though, I’d like to put all that aside and proceed with an analysis that accepts the air temperature context as found within the IPCC ballpark. That is, for the purposes of this analysis I’m assuming that the global average surface air temperature anomaly trends are real and meaningful.
I have the GISS and the CRU annual surface air temperature anomaly data sets out to 2010. In order to make the analyses comparable, I used the GISS start time of 1880. Figure 1 shows what happened when I fit these data with a combined cosine function plus a linear trend. Both data sets were well-fit.
The unfit residuals are shown below the main plots. A linear fit to the residuals tracked exactly along the zero line, to 1 part in ~10^5. This shows that both sets of anomaly data are very well represented by a cosine-like oscillation plus a rising linear trend. The linear parts of the fitted trends were: GISS, 0.057 C/decade and CRU, 0.058 C/decade.
Figure 1. Upper: Trends for the annual surface air temperature anomalies, showing the OLS fits with a combined cosine function plus a linear trend. Lower: The (data minus fit) residual. The colored lines along the zero axis are linear fits to the respective residual. These show the unfit residuals have no net trend. Part a, GISS data; part b, CRU data.Removing the oscillations from the global anomaly trends should leave only the linear parts of the trends. What does that look like? Figure 2 shows this: the linear trends remaining in the GISS and CRU anomaly data sets after the cosine is subtracted away. The pure subtracted cosines are displayed below each plot.
Each of the plots showing the linearized trends also includes two straight lines. One of them is the line from the cosine plus linear fits of Figure 1. The other straight line is a linear least squares fit to the linearized trends. The linear fits had slopes of: GISS, 0.058 C/decade and CRU, 0.058 C/decade, which may as well be identical to the line slopes from the fits in Figure 1.
Figure 1 and Figure 2 show that to a high degree of certainty, and apart from year-to-year temperature variability, the entire trend in global air temperatures since 1880 can be explained by a linear trend plus an oscillation.
Figure 3 shows that the GISS cosine and the CRU cosine are very similar – probably identical given the quality of the data. They show a period of about 60 years, and an intensity of about (+/-)0.1 C. These oscillations are clearly responsible for the visually arresting slope changes in the anomaly trends after 1915 and after 1975.
Figure 2. Upper: The linear part of the annual surface average air temperature anomaly trends, obtained by subtracting the fitted cosines from the entire trends. The two straight lines in each plot are: OLS fits to the linear trends and, the linear parts of the fits shown in Figure 1. The two lines overlay. Lower: The subtracted cosine functions.The surface air temperature data sets consist of land surface temperatures plus the SSTs. It seems reasonable that the oscillation represented by the cosine stems from a net heating-cooling cycle of the world ocean.
The major oceanic cycles include the PDO, the AMO, and the Indian Ocean oscillation. Joe D’aleo has a nice summary of these here (pdf download).
The combined PDO+AMO is a rough oscillation and has a period of about 55 years, with a 20th century maximum near 1937 and a minimum near 1972 (D’Aleo Figure 11). The combined ocean cycle appears to be close to another maximum near 2002 (although the PDO has turned south). The period and phase of the PDO+AMO correspond very well with the fitted GISS and CRU cosines, and so it appears we’ve found a net world ocean thermal signature in the air temperature anomaly data sets.
In the “New Science” post we saw a weak oscillation appear in the GISS surface anomaly difference data after 1999, when the SSTs were added in. Prior and up to 1999, the GISS surface anomaly data included only the land surface temperatures.
So, I checked the GISS 1999 land surface anomaly data set to see whether it, too, could be represented by a cosine-like oscillation plus a linear trend. And so it could. The oscillation had a period of 63 years and an intensity of (+/-)0.1 C. The linear trend was 0.047 C/decade; pretty much the same oscillation but a slower warming trend by 0.1 C/decade. So, it appears that the net world ocean thermal oscillation is teleconnected into the global land surface air temperatures.
But that’s not the analysis that interested me. Figure 2 appears to show that the entire 130 years between 1880 and 2010 has had a steady warming trend of about 0.058 C/decade. This seems to explain the almost rock-steady 20th century rise in sea level, doesn’t it.
The argument has always been that the climate of the first 40-50 years of the 20th century was unaffected by human-produced GHGs. After 1960 or so, certainly after 1975, the GHG effect kicked in, and the thermal trend of the global air temperatures began to show a human influence. So the story goes.
Isn’t that claim refuted if the late 20th century warmed at the same rate as the early 20th century? That seems to be the message of Figure 2.
But the analysis can be carried further. The early and late air temperature anomaly trends can be assessed separately, and then compared. That’s what was done for Figure 4, again using the GISS and CRU data sets. In each data set, I fit the anomalies separately over 1880-1940, and over 1960-2010. In the “New Science of Climate Change” post, I showed that these linear fits can be badly biased by the choice of starting points. The anomaly profile at 1960 is similar to the profile at 1880, and so these two starting points seem to impart no obvious bias. Visually, the slope of the anomaly temperatures after 1960 seems pretty steady, especially in the GISS data set.
Figure 4 shows the results of these separate fits, yielding the linear warming trend for the early and late parts of the last 130 years.
Figure 4: The Figure 2 linearized trends from the GISS and CRU surface air temperature anomalies showing separate OLS linear fits to the 1880-1940 and 1960-2010 sections.The fit results of the early and later temperature anomaly trends are in Table 1.
Table 1: Decadal Warming Rates for the Early and Late Periods.
| Data Set |
C/d (1880-1940) |
C/d (1960-2010) |
(late minus early) |
| GISS |
0.056 |
0.087 |
0.031 |
| CRU |
0.044 |
0.073 |
0.029 |
“C/d” is the slope of the fitted lines in Celsius per decade.
So there we have it. Both data sets show the later period warmed more quickly than the earlier period. Although the GISS and CRU rates differ by about 12%, the changes in rate (data column 3) are identical.
If we accept the IPCC/AGW paradigm and grant the climatological purity of the early 20th century, then the natural recovery rate from the LIA averages about 0.05 C/decade. To proceed, we have to assume that the natural rate of 0.05 C/decade was fated to remain unchanged for the entire 130 years, through to 2010.
Assuming that, then the increased slope of 0.03 C/decade after 1960 is due to the malign influences from the unnatural and impure human-produced GHGs.
Granting all that, we now have a handle on the most climatologically elusive quantity of all: the climate sensitivity to GHGs.
I still have all the atmospheric forcings for CO2, methane, and nitrous oxide that I calculated up for my http://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/a-climate-of-belief/”>Skeptic paper. Together, these constitute the great bulk of new GHG forcing since 1880. Total chlorofluorocarbons add another 10% or so, but that’s not a large impact so they were ignored.
All we need do now is plot the progressive trend in recent GHG forcing against the balefully apparent human-caused 0.03 C/decade trend, all between the years 1960-2010, and the slope gives us the climate sensitivity in C/(W-m^-2). That plot is in Figure 5.
Figure 5. Blue line: the 1960-2010 excess warming, 0.03 C/decade, plotted against the net GHG forcing trend due to increasing CO2, CH4, and N2O. Red line: the OLS linear fit to the forcing-temperature curve (r^2=0.991). Inset: the same lines extended through to the year 2100.There’s a surprise: the trend line shows a curved dependence. More on that later. The red line in Figure 5 is a linear fit to the blue line. It yielded a slope of 0.090 C/W-m^-2.
So there it is: every Watt per meter squared of additional GHG forcing, during the last 50 years, has increased the global average surface air temperature by 0.09 C.
Spread the word: the Earth climate sensitivity is 0.090 C/W-m^-2.
The IPCC says that the increased forcing due to doubled CO2, the bug-bear of climate alarm, is about 3.8 W/m^2. The consequent increase in global average air temperature is mid-ranged at 3 Celsius. So, the IPCC officially says that Earth’s climate sensitivity is 0.79 C/W-m^-2. That’s 8.8x larger than what Earth says it is.
Our empirical sensitivity says doubled CO2 alone will cause an average air temperature rise of 0.34 C above any natural increase. This value is 4.4x -13x smaller than the range projected by the IPCC.
The total increased forcing due to doubled CO2, plus projected increases in atmospheric methane and nitrous oxide, is 5 W/m^2. The linear model says this will lead to a projected average air temperature rise of 0.45 C. This is about the rise in temperature we’ve experienced since 1980. Is that scary, or what?
But back to the negative curvature of the sensitivity plot. The change in air temperature is supposed to be linear with forcing. But here we see that for 50 years average air temperature has been negatively curved with forcing. Something is happening. In proper AGW climatology fashion, I could suppose that the data are wrong because models are always right.
But in my own scientific practice (and the practice of everyone else I know), data are the measure of theory and not vice versa. Kevin, Michael, and Gavin may criticize me for that because climatology is different and unique and Ravetzian, but I’ll go with the primary standard of science anyway.
So, what does negative curvature mean? If it’s real, that is. It means that the sensitivity of climate to GHG forcing has been decreasing all the while the GHG forcing itself has been increasing.
If I didn’t know better, I’d say the data are telling us that something in the climate system is adjusting to the GHG forcing. It’s imposing a progressively negative feedback.
It couldn’t be the negative feedback of Roy Spencer’s clouds, could it?
The climate, in other words, is showing stability in the face of a perturbation. As the perturbation is increasing, the negative compensation by the climate is increasing as well.
Let’s suppose the last 50 years are an indication of how the climate system will respond to the next 100 years of a continued increase in GHG forcing.
The inset of Figure 5 shows how the climate might respond to a steadily increased GHG forcing right up to the year 2100. That’s up through a quadrupling of atmospheric CO2.
The red line indicates the projected increase in temperature if the 0.03 C/decade linear fit model was true. Alternatively, the blue line shows how global average air temperature might respond, if the empirical negative feedback response is true.
If the climate continues to respond as it has already done, by 2100 the increase in temperature will be fully 50% less than it would be if the linear response model was true. And the linear response model produces a much smaller temperature increase than the IPCC climate model, umm, model.
Semi-empirical linear model: 0.84 C warmer by 2100.
Fully empirical negative feedback model: 0.42 C warmer by 2100.
And that’s with 10 W/m^2 of additional GHG forcing and an atmospheric CO2 level of 1274 ppmv. By way of comparison, the IPCC A2 model assumed a year 2100 atmosphere with 1250 ppmv of CO2 and a global average air temperature increase of 3.6 C.
So let’s add that: Official IPCC A2 model: 3.6 C warmer by 2100.
The semi-empirical linear model alone, empirically grounded in 50 years of actual data, says the temperature will have increased only 0.23 of the IPCC’s A2 model prediction of 3.6 C.
And if we go with the empirical negative feedback inference provided by Earth, the year 2100 temperature increase will be 0.12 of the IPCC projection.
So, there’s a nice lesson for the IPCC and the AGW modelers, about GCM projections: they are contradicted by the data of Earth itself. Interestingly enough, Earth contradicted the same crew, big time, at the hands Demetris Koutsoyiannis, too.
So, is all of this physically real? Let’s put it this way: it’s all empirically grounded in real temperature numbers. That, at least, makes this analysis far more physically real than any paleo-temperature reconstruction that attaches a temperature label to tree ring metrics or to principal components.
Clearly, though, since unknown amounts of systematic error are attached to global temperatures, we don’t know if any of this is physically real.
But we can say this to anyone who assigns physical reality to the global average surface air temperature record, or who insists that the anomaly record is climatologically meaningful: The surface air temperatures themselves say that Earth’s climate has a very low sensitivity to GHG forcing.
The major assumption used for this analysis, that the climate of the early part of the 20th century was free of human influence, is common throughout the AGW literature. The second assumption, that the natural underlying warming trend continued through the second half of the last 130 years, is also reasonable given the typical views expressed about a constant natural variability. The rest of the analysis automatically follows.
In the context of the IPCC’s very own ballpark, Earth itself is telling us there’s nothing to worry about in doubled, or even quadrupled, atmospheric CO2.

Leif “But applying the periods as if they were cycles and have predictive power is numerology.”
The periods show up in long-term climate data, Leif. Applying the HadCRU fit results as a predictive hypothesis is entirely justified in terms of the longer historical data. This view is further justified by noting the similar oscillation that enters the anomaly record with the SSTs.
To test the hypothesis, one must wait to see if the period repeats. Given the theoretical treatments that imply thermal oscillations in the global ocean, treating the observed recent periodicity as a hypothesis concerning recent thermal behavior is empirical science, not numerology.
In your descriptive use of numerology, you didn’t distinguish between relating the dimensions of Cheops to the solar system and cosine fits that can be justified both by reference to theory and by periodicities found in independent data sets. Your use of the word is promiscuous and inaccurate.
Pat Frank says:
June 15, 2011 at 4:35 pm
Your use of the word is promiscuous and inaccurate.
In humans, promiscuity refers to undiscriminating casual sex with many sexual partners, ????
Anyway, you might not like it, but my use is the standard use.
predictive hypothesis
This is where you fail. Even if it by accident should pan out, you have no assurance that it will again and again and again … Each time it might fail [undergoing regime shift from the random stimulations]
Leif your use is your standard of use, nothing more.
Promiscuity more generally means indiscriminate, or without care. Its use has just been vulgarized by the religious.
Your use of “even if by accident” shows that your comments about the analysis have been tendentious. You’ve discounted a verifying result before it could even happen.
Resonant modes are always on-period, despite random stimulation. However, if there are many resonant modes, they will beat against one another. The observable is the beat frequency. As you know, a beat frequency can show net phase changes, and even go through null periods. An analysis like Bart’s PSD analysis, however, will always show the same underlying resonances. That is the meaning of the frequency analysis produced by McCabe, et al. for the 820 year Yellowstone precipitation record. The record itself (part 1 of Figure 1) is a mess. The underlying resonances only show up after spectral analysis.
Pat Frank says:
June 15, 2011 at 6:03 pm
Leif your use is your standard of use, nothing more.
I have given you many examples of the standard use.
without care
I care much about this, to wit, this dialog
You’ve discounted a verifying result before it could even happen.
I have pointed out that if the period is real, it it verified by the hundreds or even thousands of years of record before present. It only has true predictive power if it does not need verification that it is till on track every time. Since it does need that, it is just numerology.
Pat Frank says:
June 15, 2011 at 6:03 pm
Your use of “even if by accident” shows that your comments about the analysis have been tendentious. You’ve discounted a verifying result before it could even happen.
I’m on a NASA panel to predict sunspot cycles. There is [by now] about a hundred predictions that have been submitted for consideration by the panel. Only two of those were based on physical theory, all the rest were numerology. The two physics-based predictions were far apart: one of the largest cycles ever or the smallest in a hundred years. The panel discounted all the numerology and having reached an impasse produced two predictions [although NASA wanted only ONE number]: one high and one low. Later, a new physics-based prediction surfaced and was low, so the panel eventually went with only the low prediction [although with typical human CYA-attitude did not dare to make it quite as low as the two low predictions]. Because the low predictions were based on solid physics [although it had to be calibrated using past cycles and cannot yet be calculated from first principles] we are confident that they will be correct [within a reasonable error bar]. The previous panel charged with predicting cycle 23 failed, because they had believed in extrapolating the numerology of the time and did not consider the physics-based prediction [admittedly based on poorer data than todays].
Leif, irrelevant. Our disagreement concerns empirical data analysis as valid scientific practice. Within a theoretical context, I might add.
The empirical models of your colleagues had scientific standing, provided by the known theoretical context of solar cycles.
Or was it that during your panel discussions, you dismissed your hundred or so colleagues for practicing Cheops-analogized number-associationism?
Pat Frank says:
June 15, 2011 at 11:12 pm
Our disagreement concerns empirical data analysis as valid scientific practice.
Nonsense, all data analysis is empirical and some is even valid. That is not the issue. The issue is whether just because you find some cycles empirically that you blindly can extrapolate them into the future for prediction. And you cannot.
The empirical models of your colleagues had scientific standing, provided by the known theoretical context of solar cycles.
Most were not, as they were not guided by theory, but simply by statistical curve fitting. And thus useless for prediction because they are just numerology. To wit, their predictions were all over the map with an even larger spread than actual solar cycles have ever had.
Or was it that during your panel discussions, you dismissed your hundred or so colleagues for practicing Cheops-analogized number-associationism
Everyone on the panel was clear on what was numerology and what was not. And some of the ‘predictions’ were almost as ill-founded as the pyramid speculations. The clearest example of applied numerology [in that field] is the failed prediction of cycle 23. We decided not to repeat that disaster. You see, billions of dollars and even lives hang on our prediction being at least in the right ballpark. This is serious business.
Thought I’d poke in and if anything were still being written. I see Leif is still clutching at straws. Now, the method is useless because we don’t know if a comet might slam into the Earth in a few months.
We do these sorts of things all the time in practice. You model the modes in a Kalman Filter, quantify the spectral densities of the drivers, prime the filter with the measurements collected up to the present, then predict forward. Your propagated covariance tells you how uncertain your estimates become over time. It’s routine.
Bart says:
June 17, 2011 at 6:29 pm
We do these sorts of things all the time in practice. You model the modes in a Kalman Filter, quantify the spectral densities of the drivers, prime the filter with the measurements collected up to the present, then predict forward.
And still it is numerology, even if routine. If it worked, you are happy, if not you shrug your shoulders and call it a regime shift.
Bart says:
June 17, 2011 at 6:29 pm
We do these sorts of things all the time in practice. You model the modes in a Kalman Filter, quantify the spectral densities of the drivers, prime the filter with the measurements collected up to the present, then predict forward.
Here are monthly sunspot numbers. Use the data up to 1964 and perform a routine forward prediction for 1965-2020 [or further if you want]: http://sidc.oma.be/DATA/monthssn.dat
Leif, your first item about, ‘blind extrapolation,’ is irrelevant because I never did that. Your argument there is a red herring.
Your item 2 about ‘guided by theory,’ is also a red herring because an empirical data analysis can be informed by theory, as opposed to deduced from theory. Your ‘guided by theory’ is ambiguous, and lends an apparent gravity without actually meaning anything.
I’d like to see the responses of your colleagues, if you had you told them their work was no better than than extrapolations from the dimensions of Cheops.
Interesting that you’d highlight billions of dollars and lives to distinguish the importance of your work.
Bart’s analysis provides an independent validation of the cosine fits to the anomaly trend. Further, the precedence in the literature of the 60 year thermal cycles that appear in long range climate data validates the physical presence of this cycle in the mechanism of climate. This record again validates the PSD results and the fits. Put together, the precedence and the analysis make a powerful argument that there’s no evidence of an accelerated warming trend in the 130 year record, and so no evidence of AGW.
Do you really think that billions of dollars and lives are not at risk in the use of a specious AGW to leverage the destruction of cheap energy?
Leif, your challenge to “perform a routine forward prediction” is again irrelevant. The question always was whether the analysis showed periods in existent data. It was never that the analysis had predictive value.
Surely more than once I pointed out that one has to wait for the appearance of future data to see whether the patterns found using an empirical analysis propagate forward.
More and more, your objection is couched in irrelevancies.
Pat Frank says:
June 18, 2011 at 3:56 pm
Leif, your first item about, ‘blind extrapolation,’ is irrelevant because I never did that. Your argument there is a red herring.
Analysis of past data is not numerology, believing that they have predictive power without knowing why is numerology.
I’d like to see the responses of your colleagues, if you had you told them their work was no better than than extrapolations from the dimensions of Cheops.
Some were not any better.
Interesting that you’d highlight billions of dollars and lives to distinguish the importance of your work.
Is disingenuous, as NASA and people concerned with space assets commissioned the panel precisely for that reason. This has nothing to do with me or my work. BTW NASA decided not to decommission the Hubble Space Telescope based on our forecast.
Do you really think that billions of dollars and lives are not at risk in the use of a specious AGW to leverage the destruction of cheap energy?
I don’t think that your analysis and Bart’s will lead to savings of billions of dollars and any lives saved, because the AGW threat is political and not scientific.
Pat Frank says:
June 18, 2011 at 3:56 pm
I’d like to see the responses of your colleagues, if you had you told them their work was no better than than extrapolations from the dimensions of Cheops.
While not from the panel predictions, this paper was presented at the SORCE 2008 meeting
http://lasp.colorado.edu/sorce/news/2008ScienceMeeting/
She argued as strenuously as you in the power of cycles:
http://lasp.colorado.edu/sorce/news/2008ScienceMeeting/posters/P4_01_Lynch_Poster.pdf
She even had a theory [of sorts]
Pat Frank says:
June 18, 2011 at 4:01 pm
Leif, your challenge to “perform a routine forward prediction” is again irrelevant.
That was for Bart who routinely does that. I’m interested in what he might find. We may invite him to be on the next solar cycle prediction panel, if he scores well.
Surely more than once I pointed out that one has to wait for the appearance of future data to see whether the patterns found using an empirical analysis propagate forward.
As I have said many times, if you claim that your analysis has no predictive power and was only meant to fit the past, then you are, of course, off the hook for numerology.
Tamino has taken to snipping out my replies, made in defense of my analysis. His prior repertoire of science-relevant criticisms included idiot. Those, such as fredb or charles, who wanted me to respond directly to Tamino, and who wanted a debate without personal attacks should notice Tamino’s progression. Criticism, personal attack, and finally censorship.
Here’s the post Tamino snipped out: (PJKlar had accused me of fraud) PJKlar, in my original post I wrote this: “For right now, though, I’d like to put all that aside and proceed with an analysis that accepts the air temperature context as found within the IPCC ballpark. That is, for the purposes of this analysis I’m assuming that the global average surface air temperature anomaly trends are real and meaningful.”
Towards the end, I wrote this: “Clearly, though, since unknown amounts of systematic error are attached to global temperatures, we don’t know if any of this is physically real.”
Given those explicit qualifiers, how you can see the analysis as any sort of fraud is beyond understanding.
Ray Ladbury, you wrote, “How, pray, is temperature supposed to rise unless there is a net input of energy?”
If the atmosphere and the global ocean are coupled oscillators, can thermal energy pass from one to the other without any net external energy input? We both know the answer to that question.
You also wrote, “A conservative approach is one that is 1)consistent with known physics, 2)consistent with known evidence.”
The physics of climate is not well-known and what is known is certainly not well resolved in climate models. However, there is theory that describes resonant modes in ocean basin energy flux, activated by random atmospheric stimulation.
For evidentiary precedent, Chen, et al., (2010) “Modality of semiannual to multidecadal oscillations in global sea surface temperature variability” J. Geophys. Res., 115, C03005; discuss interdecadal oscillations (IDO) in the SST record. They found four main periodicities including an interdecadal oscillation of 62.2 years; virtually identical to the period implied by the cosine fit to the CRU anomalies.
Further, McCabe, et al. 2008 did a frequency analysis of an 820 year record of drought in Montana, linked to SSTs, and found a prominent 60-year signal; see their Figure 1.
So now, here is a PSD analysis of HadCRUT3v (click over to Figure 1). It shows the same ~60 year period as found in the 800-year Montana precipitation record and as the multidecadal period noted by Chen, et al.
MartinJB, note that the unfit residuals themselves show no significant excursions away from zero over their whole length. They are both linear and of virtually zero slope everywhere. How is incorrect to conclude, therefore, that the fit accounts for the signal?
Barton, A ~60 year oscillation was noted to enter the GISS complete global anomaly set when the ocean temperatures were added into land-only temperatures. So, in the event, the fit did not represent an arbitrary cosine, but found one that exhibited the same periodicity as was induced by entry of the marine temperatures.
I’ve fit the 1999 GISS land-only temperature anomalies using the same cosine+linear strategy. The difference between the two fits , GISS (land+marine) minus GISS (land-only) produces an oscillation that goes right through the difference oscillation of the data sets themselves.
The observation that an oscillatory signal appears in the anomaly record with the marine temperatures, empirically justifies the strategy of fitting with a cosine. Look also at the similar 60-year cycles I referenced in the reply to Ray Ladbury. They also justify the result in terms of a known SST period.
I’m interested in what I might find, too. But, it’s going to take some time, with all the demands on my time and the other projects in which I am engaged, and gearing up for family summer vacation and all. Perhaps in a month or two, I will let you know by responding to Leif and/or Pat in another thread.
Bart says:
June 18, 2011 at 7:37 pm
I’m interested in what I might find, too. But, it’s going to take some time
Of course, no rush. A solar cycle last over 10 years. Let me know if you have questions about the data.
Pat Frank says:
June 18, 2011 at 5:46 pm
Tamino has taken to snipping out my replies, made in defense of my analysis. His prior repertoire of science-relevant criticisms included idiot.
Well, actually not that far from what you guys have been calling me 🙂
“Tamino has taken to snipping out my replies…”
What a shock. The guy’s a mediocrity who can’t stand the heat when someone exposes it.
“Well, actually not that far from what you guys have been calling me.”
I know full well you are no idiot, Leif. But, you have been obdurate in this thread. I have just been trying to push you into taking a deeper look. The greatest distinction with Tamino’s MO, though, is we have given reasons why you have been wrong.
“A solar cycle last over 10 years.”
Preliminary PSD analysis informs me that the solar cycle is governed by two quasi-periodic processes with periods of roughly T1 = 20 and T2 = 23.6 years. The sunspot count appears to reflect the energy of these combined processes, which necessarily has apparent periods of 0.5*T1, 0.5*T2, T1*T2/(T2+T1), and T1*T2/(T2-T1) years, or 10 years, 11.8 years, 10.8 years, and 131 years. This latter appears as a quasi-beat period in the data. I say “quasi-” because these are not rigidly defined periods of steady state sinusoids, but mean periods of random excitation of resonance phenomena.
All these numbers are preliminary, rough estimates, mind you. There are many other steps which would be needed to nail them down precisely.
Pat Frank says:
June 18, 2011 at 3:56 pm
“Do you really think that billions of dollars and lives are not at risk in the use of a specious AGW to leverage the destruction of cheap energy?”
Hear hear.
“…two quasi-periodic processes with periods of roughly T1 = 20 and T2 = 23.6 years…”
Interestingly, I tossed this out assuming it was probably common knowledge. A brief web search tells me it may not be. But, the spikes in the PSD tell me it is a reasonable presumption, as they appear at all four of the frequencies associated with the periods 0.5*T1, 0.5*T2, T1*T2/(T2+T1), and T1*T2/(T2-T1). Furthermore, the fact that the solar magnetic field reverses orientation tells me that the fundamental periods are, indeed, these T1 and T2.
What about it, Leif? Is this new?
Bart says:
June 19, 2011 at 12:36 pm
What about it, Leif? Is this new?
Yes, it is, but in a negative sense. There are hundreds of sophisticated analyses by acclaimed professionals that do amazing things [so they say]. Fortunately they all find different results, and none to my knowledge have claimed that “solar cycle is governed by two quasi-periodic processes with periods of roughly T1 = 20 and T2 = 23.6 years.”
The other periods [10 years, 11.8 years, 10.8 years] regularly crop up but are just splitting of the basic ~11 year period because of long-term amplitude modulation. From a physical point of view it is not accepted that there should be two such periodic processes governing the solar cycle. Although we don’t have a complete understanding of the cycle we are not morons either that have no clue whatsoever. The basic physics is well understood, what we lack are observations of the interior of the sun [these may be forthcoming soon, though] so that we can solve the equations with correct boundary conditions.
I put a plot to illustrate the concept here. It’s not a perfect match – lots of work needs to be done to nail down the parameters of the model – but it shows how the PSD of the SSN data might come about.
As per Papoulis (for me, 2nd edition, page 233), if a Gaussian process with autocorrelation function R(t) is squared, the resulting autocorrelation function, which I will call Q(t), is
Q(t) = R(0)^2 + 2*R(t)^2
The PSD of this is the Fourier transform of a constant R(0)^2 plus the scaled convolution in the frequency domain of the Fourier transform of R(t) (PSD of the underlying process) with itself (i.e., multiplication in the time domain results in convolution in the frequency domain, and vice versa).
“Yes, it is, but in a negative sense.”
Really? Apparently, from what you say, none of the old stuff works. This is new. Maybe you should give it a try.
‘…none to my knowledge have claimed that “solar cycle is governed by two quasi-periodic processes with periods of roughly T1 = 20 and T2 = 23.6 years.”’
Should have said “dominated by in the recorded era” rather than “governed by”.