Solar, Terrestrial, & Lunisolar Components of Rate of Change of Length of Day

Paul L. Vaughan, M.Sc.

Without a good handle on its simple geometry, a seemingly complex time series can appear as a changeling yielding to the pressures of mysterious statistical manipulation.

For example, a fundamentally important seminal observation reported by Le Mouël, Blanter, Shnirman, & Courtillot (2010) revealed the quasistationary 11 year solar cycle in the rate of change of length of day (LOD’), but newcomers taking a preliminary look at daily resolution LOD’ are more likely to fixate on the 18.6 year lunisolar envelope.

Multiscale variance summaries highlight obvious envelopes:

Zooming in, a semi-annual envelope is also evident:

(WIDE GRAPH ABOVE –Click to view elongate graph^1 & then click again to magnify.)

(WIDE GRAPH ABOVE –Click to view elongate graph^2 & then click again to magnify.)

A parsimonious weekly-to-monthly timescale model of daily LOD’, explaining ~93% of the variance (r = 0.965), can be constructed using the following information (with model terms in bold italics):

Year Period (days) Half-Period (days) Defined by…
Tropical 365.24219 182.621095 equinoxes
Lunar Month Period (days) Half-Period (days) Defined by…
Tropical 27.321582 13.660791 equator/equinoxes
Nodal or Draconic 27.212221 13.6061105 ecliptic
Anomalistic 27.55455 13.777275 apogee/perigee
Synodic 29.530589 14.7652945 new/full moon

(27.321582)*(27.212221) / (27.321582 – 27.212221)

= 6798.410105 days = 18.61343046 years

(6798.410105)*(13.6061105) / (6798.410105 – 13.6061105)

= 13.63339592 days

(27.55455)*(13.660791) / (27.55455 + 13.660791)

= 9.132933018 days

Noteworthy envelopes apparent in the variance structure of LOD’ relate to:

1) lunar nodal cycle (LNC) = 18.6 years

2) lunar apse cycle (LAC) = 8.85 years

3) terrestrial year (1 year)

4) harmonics (e.g. 0.5 years & 4.42 years)

Beat Period (years) Tropical Nodal Anomalistic Synodic
27.321582 27.212221 27.55455 29.530589
Tropical 27.321582 18.6134 8.8475 1.0000
Nodal 27.212221 18.6134 5.9970 0.9490
Anomalistic 27.55455 8.8475 5.9970 1.1274
Synodic 29.530589 1.0000 0.9490 1.1274
Beat Period (years) Tropical/2 Nodal/2 Anomalistic/2 Synodic/2
13.660791 13.6061105 13.777275 14.7652945
Tropical/2 13.660791 9.3067 4.4238 0.5000
Nodal/2 13.6061105 9.3067 2.9985 0.4745
Anomalistic/2 13.777275 4.4238 2.9985 0.5637
Synodic/2 14.7652945 0.5000 0.4745 0.5637

Beat Period = (A*B) / ( |A-B| )

| | indicates absolute value

The model:

Relative Cumulative
Term Period (days) Amplitude r^2 r Contribution
1 13.660791 1 0.713 0.844 | polarity |
2 13.63339592 0.41 0.824 0.908 LNC
3 9.132950896 0.30 0.881 0.939 LAC alternation
4 27.55455 0.26 0.926 0.962 LAC alternation
5 14.7652945 0.08 0.931 0.965 semi-annual

(WIDE GRAPH ABOVE – Click to view elongate graph^3 & then click again to magnify.)

eLOD’ = estimated LOD’

The above tables & figures, while certainly nothing new to science, have been summarized here for the benefit of those striving to efficiently develop the foundations necessary to appreciate and build upon the recent seminal work of Le Mouël, Blanter, Shnirman, & Courtillot (2010). From their conclusions:

“The solid Earth behaves as a natural spatial integrator and time filter, which makes it possible to study the evolution of the amplitude of the semi-annual variation in zonal winds over a fifty-year time span. We evidence strong modulation of the amplitude of this lod spectral line by the Schwabe cycle (Figure 1a). This shows that the Sun can (directly or undirectly) influence tropospheric zonal mean-winds over decadal to multi-decadal time scales. Zonal mean-winds constitute an important element of global atmospheric circulation. If the solar cycle can influence zonal mean-winds, then it may affect other features of global climate as well […]”

[Typos: 1) “evidence” should read “observe”. 2) “undirectly” should read “indirectly”.]

Caution

Exclusive &/or excessive focus on the first moment (the mean) should not be at the expense of attention to higher moments (such as the variance), as the following graph should emphasize:

SOI = Southern Oscillation Index (an index of El Nino / La Nina)

[ ] indicates boxcar averaging [applied here to highlight interannual variability]

When studying the preceding graph, it is important to understand that the blue line is the normalized interannual average of the black line. (Take a minute to think about this carefully.)

To reinforce this point, here is another graph of the normalized mean at the semi-annual to annual timescale:

The occurrence of such patterns in the mean despite the maintenance of stationary variance limits suggests a need to carefully consider which equators (geographic, celestial, magnetic, meteorological, etc.) are relevant to the phenomena under study. (See for example Leroux (1993).)

Multimoment multiscale spatiotemporal integration reveals nonrandom harmonic pattern-summary discontinuities, exposing the comedy tragically advocated by deceitful &/or naive theoreticians who are in part constrained by a dominant culture that clings seemingly religiously to maladaptive traditions such as unjustifiable assumptions of randomness, independence, uniformity, linearity, etc. that are routinely misapplied (for example to conveniently render abstract conceptions mathematically tractable).

Bear in mind that for some phenomena, such as ice-jacking freeze/thaw cycles, the properties of the variance play a critically fundamental role in dynamics.

Conclusion

With awareness of key wavelengths and a solid conceptual understanding of the effect of integration across harmonics, we arrive at something truly simple: Earth, Sun, Moon.

Both of the ~11 year waves summarize the semi-annual wave, which summarizes biweekly & monthly LOD’ variations bounded by lunisolar limits.

While the magenta wave is isolated via complex wavelet methods, the sky-blue wave is accessible to any member of the general public with an understanding of this article, 5 minutes to spare, & a spreadsheet.

Acknowledgement

Tim Channon generously shared LOD’ models developed using his synthesizer software. Access to Tim’s models facilitated expeditious cross-checking of lunisolar theory, mainstream literature, & data.

Suggestion

I encourage responsible readers to download & archive daily LOD data. Scientifically-engaged citizens can keep a vigilant watch on potentially-arising future data vandalism.

Data

LOD

International Earth Rotation Service (IERS)

http://www.iers.org/IERS/EN/DataProducts/EarthOrientationData/eop.html

Related Reading

Li, G.-O.; & Zong, H.-F. (2007). 27.3-day and 13.6-day atmospheric tide. Science in China Series D – Earth Sciences 50(9), 1380-1395.

http://www.scichina.com:8080/sciDe/fileup/PDF/07yd1380.pdf

Sidorenkov, N.S. (2007). Long-term changes in the variance of the earth orientation parameters and of the excitation functions.

http://syrte.obspm.fr/journees2005/s3_07_Sidorenkov.pdf

Sidorenkov, N.S. (2005). Physics of the Earth’s rotation instabilities. Astronomical and Astrophysical Transactions 24(5), 425-439.

http://images.astronet.ru/pubd/2008/09/28/0001230882/425-439.pdf

Gross, R.S. (2007). Earth rotation variations – long period. In: Herring, T.A. (ed.), Treatise on Geophysics vol. 11 (Physical Geodesy), Elsevier, Amsterdam, in press, 2007.

http://geodesy.eng.ohio-state.edu/course/refpapers/Gross_Geodesy_LpER07.pdf

http://geodesy.geology.ohio-state.edu/course/refpapers/Gross_Geodesy_LpER07.pdf

Schwing, F.B.; Jiang, J.; & Mendelssohn, R. (2003). Coherency of multi-scale abrupt changes between the NAO, NPI, and PDO. Geophysical Research Letters 30(7), 1406. doi:10.1029/2002GL016535.

Maraun, D.; & Kurths, J. (2005). Epochs of phase coherence between El Nino-Southern Oscillation and Indian monsoon. Geophysical Research Letters 32, L15709. doi10.1029-2005GL023225.

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~douglas/papers/maraun05a.pdf

Leroux, M. (1993). The Mobile Polar High: a new concept explaining present mechanisms of meridional air-mass and energy exchanges and global propagation of palaeoclimatic changes. Global and Planetary Change 7, 69-93.

http://ddata.over-blog.com/xxxyyy/2/32/25/79/Leroux-Global-and-Planetary-Change-1993.pdf

Trenberth, K.E.; Stepaniak, D.P.; & Smith, L. (2005). Interannual variability of patterns of atmospheric mass distribution. Journal of Climate 18, 2812-2825.

http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/Trenberth/trenberth.papers/massEteleconnJC.pdf

Abarca del Rio, R.; Gambis, D.; & Salstein, D.A. (2000). Interannual signals in length of day and atmospheric angular momentum. Annals Geophysicae 18, 347-364.

http://hal-insu.archives-ouvertes.fr/docs/00/32/91/24/PDF/angeo-18-347-2000.pdf

Abarca del Rio, R.; Gambis, D.; Salstein, D.; Nelson, P.; & Dai, A. (2003). Solar activity and earth rotation variability. Journal of Geodynamics 36, 423-443.

http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/adai/papers/Abarca_delRio_etal_JGeodyn03.pdf

Le Mouël, J.-L.; Blanter, E.; Shnirman, M.; & Courtillot, V. (2010). Solar forcing of the semi-annual variation of length-of-day. Geophysical Research Letters 37, L15307. doi:10.1029/2010GL043185.

Vaughan, P.L. (2010). Semi-annual solar-terrestrial power.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/12/23/confirmation-of-solar-forcing-of-the-semi-annual-variation-of-length-of-day/

Technical Aside

For those interested in exploring LOD’ variance patterns that are not necessarily evident at first glance, another noteworthy envelope is the following:

(13.777275)*(13.63339592) / (13.777275 – 13.63339592)

= 1305.478517 days = 3.574281812 years

This polar-equatorial eclipse cycle is evident in the sequence of diagrams here:

http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/5MCLE/5MCLE-Figs-10.pdf (1733-2151)

From:

Espenak, F.; & Meeus, J. (2009). Five millennium canon of solar eclipses: -1999 to +3000 (2000 BCE to 3000 CE). NASA Technical Publication TP-2009-214172.

http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEpubs/5MCLE.html

h/t to WUWT commenter “lgl” for initially drawing attention to this pattern some time ago.

Earlier & Future Articles

I wrote the following articles before (a) acquiring access to Le Mouël, Blanter, Shnirman, & Courtillot (2010), (b) coming across Leroux (1993), and (c) re-reading Sidorenkov (2005) with consequently improved awareness:

1) http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/08/18/solar-terrestrial-coincidence/

2) http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/09/04/the-north-pacific-solar-cycle-change/

3) http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/09/11/solar-cycle-length-its-rate-of-change-the-northern-hemisphere/

Related articles could have been written on All India Rainfall Index & other variables, but the audiences’ handle on the solar, lunisolar, & spatiotemporal nature of interannual variations was revealed to be inadequate in comments here:

4) http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/11/atlantic-hurricanes-the-sun/

[Some audience members may benefit from careful consideration of issues raised by Tomas Milanovic at Dr. Judith Curry’s blog Climate Etc.]

Le Mouël, Blanter, Shnirman, & Courtillot’s (2010) game changing observation rendered earlier results much less mysterious:

5) http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/12/23/confirmation-of-solar-forcing-of-the-semi-annual-variation-of-length-of-day/

For capable individuals striving to render these & related findings disgestible by a mainstream audience, I strongly recommend:

A) gleaning the primary point made by Schwing, Jiang, & Mendelssohn (2003) about the effect of windowing parameters on apparent phase, which can be reversed by spatial patterns, not just temporal evolution.

B) heeding the advice of Maraun & Kurths (2005) about “periods of coupling which are invisible to linear methods.”

Future posts in this series (if it continues) may draw attention to:

a) nonrandom relations between interannual terrestrial oscillations and interannual [not to be confused with decadal] rates of change of solar variables.

b) the guaranteed potential for naive investigators to be irrecoverably derailed by Simpson’s Paradox due to stubborn &/or blind adherence to seriously misguided conventional mainstream statistical inference paradigms & malpractices that rigidly & dogmatically insist on falsely assuming independence when none exists.

c) the [counterintuitive &/or paradoxical for some] influence of grain & extent – & aggregation criteria more generally – on summaries of spatiotemporal pattern.

Grain” & “extent?

Grain is another term for spatiotemporal resolution. Important: Extent is a term which concisely encompasses the properties of spatiotemporal summary windows. The vast majority of mainstream researchers are either absolutely ignorant or insufficiently cognizant of the effect of extent on integrals across spatiotemporal harmonics (including the nonstationary variety). The consequences are serious: blindness and rejection of valid findings on nonsensical grounds.

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izen
April 11, 2011 6:55 am

While the above article provides much detail I have been unable to discern what amount of time is denoted by the verticle scale of the graphs.
Is the +/- 1 a second, a dimensionless number or a nanosecond?
While it may be possible to torture numerological correlations from the LOD data and the quasi-periodic SOI or other observations – zonal high wind etc – that corellation only has any possibility of indicating a causal relationship rather than a coincidental one if the physical processes can be defined that operate.
If, as I suspect, the energy in Joules of these variations is several orders of magnitude smaller than the solar varation around the 11 year cycle or the extra downwelling energy measured from the extra CO2 then it is ridiculous to ascribe causation to something that has no chance of influencing the processes because its energy signiture is way below the level of many other influences.
So what change in energy received at the surface do the graphs indicate ?

Paul Vaughan
April 11, 2011 6:56 am

I’ll make this my 2nd question (in the check to see if the conceptual elements of the message are being absorbed):
2) erlhapp asks, “Is this simply de-seasonalised data obtained by averaging over 12 months , or anomalies with respect to the monthly mean or what of?”
Hint: No anomalies have been used and while boxcar averaging is enough, it’s not a one-step procedure (see the tables above).

Paul Vaughan
April 11, 2011 7:16 am

Lucy Skywalker suggests, “[…] it would help if you made your work accessible to ordinary intelligent generalists […]”
Solid conceptual understanding of the effect of integration across harmonics is something folks will have to develop independently. Then it’s dead simple (and the results can be reproduced in mere minutes).
The target audience of these communications may not be the one you prefer, but I sincerely appreciate your interest in the topic.
Best Regards.

netdr2
April 11, 2011 7:45 am

The LOD also should vary due to sea level rise. [It is like the figure skater that pulls her arms in to spin faster.]
Axel Moerner claims that the effect of rising sea levels on LOD limits the sea level rise to 1.1 MM per year or 1 cigarette length per century.
Is he right ?

Paul Vaughan
April 11, 2011 7:46 am

2 more questions (slightly more advanced):
3) Did Le Mouël, Blanter, Shnirman, & Courtillot (2010) make the most sensible choice of window width (1 month) when isolating the semi-annual to annual timescale derivative series?
Hint: …or did they just come “close enough” somehow?
4) Are the optimal kernel widths determined by maximal correlation (with CR) or by dominant temporal modes of the mean & variance (of LOD’)?

April 11, 2011 8:06 am

Geoff Sharp says:
April 11, 2011 at 6:21 am
On the magnetic front, I see no evidence of any planetary magnetic feedback. The Tsunami like solar wind obliterates all.
Something we can agree on.
Paul Vaughan says:
April 11, 2011 at 6:48 am
your motion to reject a landmark conceptual finding that opens key doors for generations of researchers.
Sorry, i see no landmark conceptual finding, just a poorly written paper with fudged data.
Paul Vaughan says:
April 11, 2011 at 6:56 am
Hint: No anomalies have been used …
Is no way to answer a sincere question.
Paul Vaughan says:
April 11, 2011 at 7:16 am
“Lucy Skywalker suggests, “[…] it would help if you made your work accessible to ordinary intelligent generalists […]“”
Solid conceptual understanding of the effect of integration across harmonics is something folks will have to develop independently.

Same comment here.
It is simple enough: by heavily smoothing, filtering, windowing, torturing, etc the authors come up with a simple time series [their blue curve] which they compare with another simple time series, the doctored or inaccurate GCR flux [red curve]. No conceptual breakthrough here.

Paul Vaughan
April 11, 2011 8:10 am

Re: izen
The vertical scales are normalized to optimize visualization. As a contribution to this multidisciplinary discussion, I explore data, leaving physics to physicists & other qualified parties. A limiting factor in quantitative musings about physical mechanisms is insufficient human knowledge of clouds (and hence insolation [not to be confused with irradiance]]). Producing yet more estimates based on untenable assumptions is not the answer. That the atmosphere experiences thermal as well as gravitational tides is accepted. Given the public’s growing awareness of the spatiotemporal cloud/circulation issue, assumptions such as uniformity are now a deal-breaking problem for advocates of oversimplified models. The data have spoken. Are the physical modelers listening? Or do they remain caught in the deep grooves of their abstract imaginations?
Best Regards.

Paul Vaughan
April 11, 2011 8:37 am

Leif, your conceptual understanding of the effect of integration across harmonics is deficient.

Agile Aspect
April 11, 2011 8:42 am

Carla says:
April 11, 2011 at 5:37 am
Geoff Sharp says:
April 11, 2011 at 1:38 am
~
Question for Geoff, bit off the topic here or not..
The Earth has a roid, asteroid that is orbiting in its zone.
They are saying that this roid has a “horseshoe” type orbit. Now how can that be, Geoff? Check out the orbit of this thing Geoff.
Astronomers Find Newly Discovered Asteroid is Earth’s Companion
http://www.arm.ac.uk/press/2011/aac_horseshoe_orbit.html
————————————————————————————————————-;
The asteroid has a circular orbit around the Sun but at a different speed than the Earth so the motion appears to be like a horse shoe orbit when viewed from Earth. Even the planets at times appear to have retrograde orbits when viewed from the Earth.

Laurie Bowen
April 11, 2011 8:47 am

And to think . . . .all this time I defined “length of day” as how long the “sun was up.”
and night was how long the sun was not up!

Bernie McCune
April 11, 2011 8:52 am

A little history on some of these concepts might be of interest. I worked for several years (in the 1970s) at a “polar motion” observatory in Mizusawa Japan (International Latitude Observatory – ILO). The ILO at Mizusawa for many years had been using optical methods to determine the Chandler period (an approximate 14 month cycle of the earth’s pole through about 8 to 12 meter circles). The Chandler phenomenon (1891) was discovered over 100 years ago and from just a few years before 1900 a small group of world wide observatories located in the northern hemisphere spread in longitude along latitude 39 deg N began observing latitude shift of zenith stars. The observed shift (in latitude) appeared as an approximate sine wave of about 14 months long. My support was to use satellite based geodesy methods to obtain the same information in spite of cloudy bad weather conditions which limited optical data quantity and quality. This network grew to a multi-station, multi-nation system with the Paris observatory eventually becoming the headquarters of the International Earth Rotation Service – IERS. Just to let you understand that earth rotation variation has a time component and a spatial component.
I wonder if we might be able to tie some of the pole spatial movement effects to other physical elements – especially climate effects (and polar tides)? It is well known that one the drivers of the pole speed and position is the atmosphere (as well as ocean currents, magma, gravity, extra-terrestrial effects, etc.)
Bernie

April 11, 2011 9:32 am

Paul Vaughan says:
April 11, 2011 at 8:37 am
Leif, your conceptual understanding of the effect of integration across harmonics is deficient.
No, that is a straightforward mathematical exercise which is irrelevant for the Le Mouel paper. Show us where the relevance is rather than giving ‘hints’ and asking us to ‘think about it’.

Tim Channon
April 11, 2011 9:46 am

The replies have covered a lot of ground and raised a lot of questions, too much to cover fully on WUWT. Nor does Paul say all.
Background.
The work is Paul Vaughan’s where I was using the effect of years of technical work and experience to produce numbers and models for him. There is cross discipline involved. I only understand part of what he is doing.
In this case Paul emailed out of the blue with an xls containing data attached and more or less what could I do with it. I recognised the data as daily LoD first difference, hence first data point 2nd Jan 1962 but that is all I know, nor have I checked which version of LoD nor how exactly Paul produced it.
Since then a few emails and attachments have bounced between us as we drove to whatever Paul wanted and found mutually compatible file formats.
First I knew about what Paul was up to other than he was going to published something was seeing the WUWT post.
Tools used.
Over some years I have developed unique software intended for use on climatic kind of data. Some of this goes back to a novel development for commercial usage during the 1980s. Some think I am nuts to write this in C; there are several very solid reasons.
The key to the result is a selective non discrete Fourier Transform created by data matching discrete input data (qualifications there are critical). This outputs the parameters for matched Fourier terms and a spreadsheet model of the matched data. (it doesn’t have to be Fourier but this is usually best and is used here)
A spreadsheet row comprises an inverse transform, simply the sum of computed terms for that index value, in this case a decimal date. It is literally simple.
Column meaning: –
index sum-of-terms+offset term1 term2 term3 .. termx
Multiple rows with say a one month index increment, plot sum column against index column and you have a computed monthly time series. The spreadsheet maths engine is doing the result computation from the parameters and formula. The software derived the parameters and wrote out two rows of the formula, copy and paste extends this as the user wants. Conceptually simple.
Why a fancy way of doing a Fourier Transform?
There are finite limits on the capability of a DFT (discrete fourier transform) which is the only kind that can be done on discrete data (regularly sampled in time). The time increment defines the width of each output value, called bin as in garbage bin, where a transform outputs a long row of them, one for each frequency it is capable of showing. This means the numbers are approximate, only is within that bin which has a finite width. Accurate phase is very hard to compute.
The values can to some extent be improved by interpolation and other trickery but this only goes so far.
A further problem is the need to Window the input data, a large subject.
Very roughly I am subtracting the contents of a bin from the input data and fine tuning the frequency, phase and amplitude for zero error. Those are the answer. the limits of binning are to a degree sidestepped: the bins have zero width, just that there not very many of them. (useful results in practice tend to 3 to 30 bin range)
It is also possible to put more than one item in a single bin and this spins off into ambiguity and validity, where the human brain is necessary.
In this case the presence of doublets (two very closely spaced (eg. 0.25%) frequencies) and more makes the problem interesting. When computed this turns out to mean 18.6 years… get the idea?
Put simply, it works.
In this case the input data has chronometric causes (orbitals) and therefore the model will be predictive (not been confirmed).

George E. Smith
April 11, 2011 10:50 am

Say Anthony, do you have an English language transcript of this paper ? It has some pleasnat looking graphs, and it would be nice to read it in English, so we could tell what they are talkiing about. This is either a tardy April 1st paper, or perhaps an early entrant in the Bullwer-Lytton prize competition.

Tim Channon
April 11, 2011 10:51 am

Here is an extended version of the PDF PV mentioned, on WP servers.
Might help as a starting point.
http://daedalearth.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/comment-on-pv3-a.pdf

George E. Smith
April 11, 2011 10:58 am

“”””” netdr2 says:
April 11, 2011 at 7:45 am
The LOD also should vary due to sea level rise. [It is like the figure skater that pulls her arms in to spin faster.]
Axel Moerner claims that the effect of rising sea levels on LOD limits the sea level rise to 1.1 MM per year or 1 cigarette length per century.
Is he right ? “””””
Well hardly.
Sea level rises because water flows down hill. so that means that a water mass that was previously rotating at a larger radius about earth axis, has now moved down to a lower orbit; namely sea level. So the global moment of inertia must go down, not up, with sea level rise. If there is any LOD change, it would be a shortening.

April 11, 2011 10:58 am

Tim Channon says:
April 11, 2011 at 9:46 am
Multiple rows with say a one month index increment, plot sum column against index column and you have a computed monthly time series. […] Conceptually simple.
And where in this do you do spatiotemporal integration over harmonics? Or is this just mumbo-jumbo for adding up the contribution of each frequency? As is always done when reconstructing a signal from its frequency components.

April 11, 2011 11:06 am

George E. Smith says:
April 11, 2011 at 10:50 am
Say Anthony, do you have an English language transcript of this paper ?
——————–
/seconded

Richard Sharpe
April 11, 2011 11:18 am

George E. Smith says on April 11, 2011 at 10:58 am

“”””” netdr2 says:
April 11, 2011 at 7:45 am
The LOD also should vary due to sea level rise. [It is like the figure skater that pulls her arms in to spin faster.]
Axel Moerner claims that the effect of rising sea levels on LOD limits the sea level rise to 1.1 MM per year or 1 cigarette length per century.
Is he right ? “””””
Well hardly.
Sea level rises because water flows down hill. so that means that a water mass that was previously rotating at a larger radius about earth axis, has now moved down to a lower orbit; namely sea level. So the global moment of inertia must go down, not up, with sea level rise. If there is any LOD change, it would be a shortening.

Isn’t one of the components of sea-level rise due to thermal expansion of the water?
Secondly, most of the ice that will melt and contribute to sea-level rise is currently closer to the spin axis than it would be if it were uniformly distributed across the surface of the planet… so, I am not sure it would lead to a shortening of the LOD but I am willing to be persuaded otherwise.

netdr2
April 11, 2011 12:08 pm

It seems that both Smith and Sharpe have valid points about sea level rise vs LOD.
Which is greater ?
Heating of the oceans has stopped in the last few years according to NOAA
http://www.nodc.noaa.gov/OC5/3M_HEAT_CONTENT/
The earlier apparent heating may be caused by using ships and XBT’s to measure temperature. As technology changed to the Argo the apparent heating went away.
The argument that water always seeks to reduce the distance to the center of mass is very compelling. The LOD may very well decrease as ice melts and flows into the sea.
Both arguments may be correct.
Thanks for the insight. This site has some smart and knowledgeable people and I wanted your opinions.
Is the LOD actually deceasing due to melting glaciers ? Can this effect be teased out from the other effects ?

Carla
April 11, 2011 1:16 pm

Leif Svalgaard says:
April 11, 2011 at 8:06 am
Geoff Sharp says:
April 11, 2011 at 6:21 am
On the magnetic front, I see no evidence of any planetary magnetic feedback. The Tsunami like solar wind obliterates all.
Something we can agree on.
~
I was going to mention Geoff, that you were sounding a bit like Dr. S.
Not the point. The “Princess” in left field, is suggestingt that the closer your dipole is to the energy source ‘within’ your system, the more influence the solar electra magno reconnection regime, well have upon it. Saturn’s dipole looks undecided..like maybe he’s the queen in left field, with a by directional dipole depending on ISMF forces present in Saturn’s orbital field of ref..or somethin like that. Ah yep that would change Saturns LOD. lol..
But seriously .. how would you slow down ionospheric plasmas moving across field lines? I have read that the ionosphere is coupled to the solar wind IMF. And the ionosphere is coupled to this rotating electro dynamo. The ionosphere is suggested to be directly coupled with the polar vortex and may vary it by strong variations of ionospheric winds. Seems lately we have seen a stalling of regional weather systems moving across the N. Hem, causing an unusually shaped jetstream. . kinda like its being forced back down. . lost connection?

pochas
April 11, 2011 1:30 pm

If asked what is responsible for this LOD phenomenon I would naively say it is ocean circulation. In the northern hemisphere the oceans circulate clockwise and there is a component of this circulation that aligns with the counterclockwise rotation of the earth as viewed from above the north pole, a sort of negative angular momentum, so I would think that if the ocean currents slow down the earth’s rotation would speed up. Does this make sense? Are ocean circulation velocities tied to the solar/lunar orbits? We know that the ocean tides definitely are.

George E. Smith
April 11, 2011 1:33 pm

“”””” Richard Sharpe says:
April 11, 2011 at 11:18 am
George E. Smith says on April 11, 2011 at 10:58 am
“”””” netdr2 says:
April 11, 2011 at 7:45 am
The LOD also should vary due to sea level rise. [It is like the figure skater that pulls her arms in to spin faster.]
Axel Moerner claims that the effect of rising sea levels on LOD limits the sea level rise to 1.1 MM per year or 1 cigarette length per century.
Is he right ? “””””
Well hardly.
Sea level rises because water flows down hill. so that means that a water mass that was previously rotating at a larger radius about earth axis, has now moved down to a lower orbit; namely sea level. So the global moment of inertia must go down, not up, with sea level rise. If there is any LOD change, it would be a shortening.
Isn’t one of the components of sea-level rise due to thermal expansion of the water?
Secondly, most of the ice that will melt and contribute to sea-level rise is currently closer to the spin axis than it would be if it were uniformly distributed across the surface of the planet… so, I am not sure it would lead to a shortening of the LOD but I am willing to be persuaded otherwise. “””””
Tut tut Richard; I know you are sharper than that. You are contemplating that the melt water unaided, by human hand can actually run uphill to a higher potential energy location.
Is not the (mean) surface a gravitational equipotential surface. As far as the earth is concerned it is gravitationally flat. Yes it does have some rather large periodic bumps in it caused by tides and weather; but over the course of a thirty year climate period, it is quite flat.

Richard Sharpe
April 11, 2011 1:35 pm

To be clear, what I think I was saying in my comment above is that both mechanisms should place water further away from the axis of rotation, thus increasing angular momentum. This should result in a slowing of the rate of rotation in order to preserve angular momentum, and thus lead to a lengthening of LOD.
Perhaps I am wrong.

April 11, 2011 1:38 pm

Carla says:
April 11, 2011 at 1:16 pm
I was going to mention Geoff, that you were sounding a bit like Dr. S.
Because he is correct on this one.
closer your dipole is to the energy source ‘within’ your system, the more influence the solar electra magno reconnection regime, well have upon it.
The sun does influence the planets magnetically, but not the other way around. The planets and the interstellar medium do not influence the Sun via magnetic forces.