Well, at least they established a standard early on…
Lest you think you have to drill down to find this, here’s the front page:
link: http://www.nature.com/nclimate/index.html
h/t to Dr. Leif Svalgaard
Well, at least they established a standard early on…
Lest you think you have to drill down to find this, here’s the front page:
link: http://www.nature.com/nclimate/index.html
h/t to Dr. Leif Svalgaard
The author of the “Nature Climate Change” article, Mason Inman, has commented on WUWT before. This was back in January of 2010 during the Himalayan glacier meltdown controversy. It all started with a comment that I made about the factual accuracy of Mr. Inman’s naive claims in his sci-fi/fantasy disaster blog “not in 2035”:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/24/the-purge-continues/#comment-298479
That was apparently enough to illicit a direct counter-response from Mr. Inman in the comments of WUWT:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/24/the-purge-continues/#comment-299239
To which I responded:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/24/the-purge-continues/#comment-300206
Mr. Inman’s response:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/24/the-purge-continues/#comment-300575
He also initiated a side argument with Roger Knight regarding the probability of 2010 being the warmest year on record. While Mr. Inman’s comments don’t appear to add anything useful to the evolving science of climate change, they certainly reveal a lot about Mr. Inman’s alleged expertise on the subject.
Someone needs to get this fellow on record with his proposal to stop the climate from changing.
He looks young enough that someday he will have to choke on his answer.
I surely hope this “warming” comes soon. We in Minnesota could certainly use it.
James Sexton says:
March 18, 2011 at 6:33 pm
As far as adapting to our ever changing environment, humanity doesn’t need an advocate for such a venture. Humanity has done this since the dawn of time.
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Last time I checked we’ve already had floods, drought, tornadoes, hurricanes, snow, rain, ice, heat, cold…lightning
…the Arctic has already been “ice free” even
So what exactly are they talking about adapting?
I think they are talking to a bunch of high school kids that haven’t been alive long enough to know we’ve already adapted. 😉
Mark Hertsgaard may have been Senator Inhofe’s ‘ambusher’, but situation begs for the tables to be turned, as I speculated in my piece, “Global Warming Alarmist ambushes Sen. Inhofe – can the alarmist withstand a congressional ambush on him?” http://www.redstate.com/russellc/2011/02/16/global-warming-alarmist-ambushes-sen-inhofe-can-the-alarmist-withstand-a-congressional-ambush-on-him/
paulc says:
March 18, 2011 at 6:58 pm
I surely hope this “warming” comes soon. We in Minnesota could certainly use it.
Don’t worry, it’s coming up from Texas. Probably be nice up your way in a month or so.
Latitude says:
March 18, 2011 at 7:13 pm
James Sexton says:
March 18, 2011 at 6:33 pm
As far as adapting to our ever changing environment, humanity doesn’t need an advocate for such a venture. Humanity has done this since the dawn of time.
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Last time I checked we’ve already had floods, drought, tornadoes, hurricanes, snow, rain, ice, heat, cold…lightning
…the Arctic has already been “ice free” even
So what exactly are they talking about adapting?
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Yeh, but, those were nice “floods, drought, tornadoes, hurricanes, snow, rain, ice, heat, cold…lightning”………its the CO2 hyperbole induced floods, drought, tornadoes, hurricanes, snow, rain, ice, heat, cold…lightning that you’ve got to watch out for!
And yes, teenagers and ones with the emotional capacity of teenagers.
Adaptation is almost never harder than expected. People do it all of the time. We always have. With today’s technology, adaptation has never been easier. NEVER!
What is difficult to do is foresee the decisions that billions of people will automatically make in order to adapt, giving the illusion that the adaptation itself will be difficult. In reality, it will likely be relatively painless, as individuals automatically move towards a better way. The adaptation required to live through the 20th century was unprecedented, but quality of life was almost always getting better during that time, unless governments got in the way.
Adaptation is a prerequisite for all life, and humans are better at it than most other species. Bureaucracies, on the other hand, are really bad at adaptation. The nature of a bureaucracy is to resist change. In general, bureaucracies almost universally set up road blocks to rapid adaptation. The worst thing that humans can do is create bureaucracies to facilitate adaptation. It is oxymoronic.
We don’t need people like Hertsgaard to tell us what we are up against. We (the billions of people on Earth) will figure it out as we go and we will do a much, much better job at it than he can, for we will have much, much more knowledge than he ever will.
Secondly, he is wrong about the the way climate change will occur. Global cooling, at least over the land areas of the Northern Hemisphere, is imminent.
It reminds me of MAD magazine and National Lampoon.
I live in a mild coastal climate community. In the last 10 years it has gone
down to -19C and up to 35C.
Thats a 54C swing possible each year. I’ve adapted. I own a winter coat. I own shorts. I have a heater. I have a fan. I might even buy A/C this year.
Do I need a whole magazine to tell me to buy new a winter coat if the old wears out?
No.
I mean the whole concept of the magazine is hysterically funny. And stupid. Really, really stupid.
So, Leif likes Mark?
Birds of a feather?
Linear extrapolations of complex dynamic systems are mathematically invalid, geophysically impossible, hence scientifically meaningless. Over decades, climate hysterics claiming otherwise have not projected one single major phenomenon in practice– as Railroad Bill Pachauri notoriously demonstrates, from Himalayan glaciers to rising sea-levels nothing his peculating Green Gang says bears scrutiny, nor has its self-serving propaganda any slightest grain of credibility.
Now as Earth’s long summer aka the 12,250-year Holocene Interglacial Epoch fades, a 70-year “dead sun” Maunder Minimum presages the onset of resurgent Pleistocene Ice Time. Cargo cultists such as Briffa, Hansen, Jones, Mann, Trenberth et al., not to mention Luddite sociopaths like Paul Ehrlich, John (“seething maggots”) Holdren, bitter Thanatists like Keith Farnish, cloak themselves in communo-fascist mantles worthy of Savonarola.
Like targeted assassinations, AGW catastrophism is worse than a crime– it is a mistake.
I’m not the first to say, but I think all these global warming wackos were born yesterday. They have no perspective. They have no clue about history, human or natural.
I blame the dumbing down of the American education system for this, at least in part. The rest is Bush’s fault, of course.
James Sexton says:
Now with context: http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:2001.17/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:2001.17/trend/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:1970
Before some of our AGW friends here get their panties in too much of a wad lets take a brief trip down memory lane. As we speak of mitigation and adaptation and dire “predictions” we must remember that this all started back in the late ’80’s with the following:
(There’s a ton of information here, the pertinent prediction(s) towards the bottom. It’s an interesting trip so don’t scan too fast!)
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/22/a-little-known-but-failed-20-year-old-climate-change-prediction-by-dr-james-hansen/
Sad, the book “Hot”…just sad. I’ve heard there’s only one way to get a pitbull to let go once it has taken a “death grip” on an adversary. Maybe that might just work with…ah, nevermind. ;^)
Before some of our AGW friends (David70, eadler?) here get their panties in too much of a wad lets take a brief trip down memory lane. As we speak of mitigation and adaptation and dire “predictions” we must remember that this all started back in the late ’80’s with the following:
(There’s a ton of information here, the pertinent prediction(s) towards the bottom. It’s an interesting trip so don’t scan too fast!)
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/22/a-little-known-but-failed-20-year-old-climate-change-prediction-by-dr-james-hansen/
Failed predictions are a fail, and it’s what they excel at. These guys are worse than Jehovah Witnesses, and that’s saying a ton.
Sad, the book “Hot”…just sad (I really hope it was done by the Onion, otherwise, how pathetic). I’ve heard there’s only one way to get a pitbull to let go once it has taken a “death grip” on an adversary. Maybe that might just work with…ah, nevermind. ;^)
Are they trying to say the the Arctic will not be Ice Free This Year.
They promised, in 2006 and 2007 and 2008 and 2009 and 2010 that the Arctic would be Ice Free Before next year(2012) (2006 + Ice Free in five years).
They promised us a death sprial, this year, not sometime next century.
They promised…..
I guess they lied.
Again.
Related climate change drivel on PBS. Defund it!
The part on climate change starts at about minute 16. http://video.pbs.org/video/1818693167/
Full of the usual stuff, like attributing flooding to rising oceans when the real cause is sinking land (which they gloss over but don’t really discuss). Real tearjerker. The interview with alarmist and obfuscator extraordinaire Hertsgaard, author of “HOT”, starts at about 29 min. He even claims that 99% of scientists believe in global warming based on what turned out to be a faulty and poorly (intentionally?) worded survey (if you believe CO2 causes the earth to warm you are a warmist). His more than cooperative interviewer ensures that none of his claims were questioned. Don’t watch if you have a weak stomach or high blood pressure. I suspect it was carefully edited by PBS to remove any hint that anything other than CO2 was the cause. And they call it journalism.
I’ve found that firewood and red wine, especially Port, age nicely in a cool environment. Expecting cool, I’m stockpiling both along with a few other items. And if climate woes don’t happen, so what?
Luis Dias said (@ur momisugly 4:49) “. . .protect us from climatic threats, like hurricanes, floods, droughts.
There have been about 33 posts since and no one has commented on the use of climatic threats. The regulars here must not have had enough sleep this week to have missed this.
John F. Hultquist says:
March 18, 2011 at 9:06 pm
Luis Dias said (@ur momisugly 4:49) “. . .protect us from climatic threats, like hurricanes, floods, droughts.
There have been about 33 posts since and no one has commented on the use of climatic threats. The regulars here must not have had enough sleep this week to have missed this.
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lol, What? I don’t even get partial credit?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/03/18/first-articles-online-at-the-new-nature-climate-change/#comment-623748
True, I thought that too easy a target, and instead went a different route, but at least partial?
:-\ No love.
They can’t spell. The plural of misery is miseries, not miserys.
John F. Hultquist says: March 18, 2011 at 9:06 pm
“There have been about 33 posts since and no one has commented on the use of climatic threats. ”
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Actually once I saw the “…since “extremes” will always happen, as we can testify with the Katrina, and now with the Japan’s earthquake…”
???”Japan’s earthquake”???
In the same sentance with “planet will warm up or not” I just gave up on the fool.
No response was necessary, no correction would be appropriate, it was just somewhere between funny and sad, an awkward place.
To that I can “testify”.
Gaylon says:
March 18, 2011 at 8:21 pm
Before some of our AGW friends here get their panties in too much of a wad lets take a brief trip down memory lane.
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lol, now, I know you’re gonna find this hard to believe, so, please place your drink out of the proximity of your keyboard and ‘puter. But, after 10 years of silence from both Hansen and Reiss, and oddly enough after the expiration of the dire prediction, Hansen now says, (and apparently Reiss) that Reiss misremembered the conversation. Reiss says now, that he didn’t have his notes with him during the Salon interview, and that it really was in 40 years with the caveat of doubling CO2. Now, how a writer would pose such details in the way the questioned was quoted, ……well, you make the call. It was quite an interview to do in such detail without the aid of notes, apparently this being the one and only failing of his otherwise steel-trap like mind. I understand the 40/doubling is in Reiss’ book, but I’m not gonna read it.
http://climateclash.com/2011/01/27/james-hansen-singing-in-the-rain/
I’ve scraped better crap off my shoes…
@joel Shore (March 18, 2011 at 8:11 pm), more perspective:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:2001.17/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:2001.17/trend/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:1941/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:1941/to:1961/trend
And here is another recent decadal graph one though the Y scale values are vastly different:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:2001.17/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:2001.17/trend/plot/esrl-co2/from:2001.17/offset:-370
Oh, and John Blake (March 18, 2011 at 8:04 pm), I love your “Green Gang,” but my mind reversed that accidentally.
John M Reynolds