Breaking: Mann and Wahl have responded. See updates below.
3/9 12:45 PM Pacific Time. This story is now updated to be consistent with Mann and Wahl’s response:
By Steven Mosher
and charles the moderator
Sources confirm that a federal inspector has questioned Eugene Wahl and Wahl has confirmed that Mann asked [forwarded] him [a request] to delete emails. Wahl has also informed the inspector that he did delete emails as the result of this request.
There are times during the course of Climategate when you feel like you are in a twilight zone episode, especially the kind where the ambiguous meaning of terms plays a critical role, like “To Serve Man”.
That episode is apt because of the central role trust plays and because of the role puzzle solvers play in uncovering that the do-gooder aliens cannot be trusted. “Serving”, of course, has now taken on new meanings, as in “you got served” or pwned. With the release of the news that Mann successfully [forwarded instructions] instructed [to] Wahl to delete emails, it’s clear that Mann got served or pwned by Wahl; but more importantly, he got served or assisted by Dr. Pell, Dr. Scaroni, Dr Brune, and Dr. Foley. Who are they? They are the Penn State team who served Dr. Mann by purporting to exonerate him in the Penn State inquiry, despite Mann’s own non-responsive response to a key question being on its face evasive, and begging followup questions. Regardless, Mann’s non-answer did not even purport to support their conclusion about his actions. In short, they covered for him.
The puzzle begins back in 2006. Keith Briffa the author of chapter 6 in the 4th Assessment Report of the IPCC (AR4) is struggling under the directive of review editor Johnathan Overpeck, who has encouraged him to come up with something “more compelling than the Hockey Stick”, that iconic symbol of Global warming created by Michael Mann in the third assessment report.
Briffa is struggling with the comments and suggestions of a particular reviewer who we now know was Steve McIntyre, the citizen scientist who has been dogging Mann for several years. In what appears to be violation of IPCC rules Briffa writes to Eugene Wahl asking for assistance in answering McIntyre’s comments. More important than this communication being apparently at odds with IPCC directives, is that Briffa is asking Wahl to comment on McIntyre’s work, a process that is clearly supposed to take place in peer reviewed literature. Wahl and McIntyre had both been critical of each other’s work and such disputes are most fairly handled by independent third parties and not by the disputants themselves.
In mid 2006 the following exchange occurs between Briffa and Eugene Wahl:
From: Keith Briffa [mailto:k.briffa@xxxxxxxxx.xxx]
Sent: Tue 7/18/2006 10:20 AM
To: Wahl, Eugene R
Subject: confidential
Gene
I am taking the liberty (confidentially) to send you a copy of the reviewers[McIntyre’s] comments (please keep these to yourself) of the last IPCC draft chapter. I am concerned that I am not as objective as perhaps I should be and would appreciate your take on the comments from number 6-737 onwards , that relate to your reassessment of the Mann et al work. I have to consider whether the current text is fair or whether I should change things in the light of the sceptic comments. In practise this brief version has evolved and there is little scope for additional text , but I must put on record responses to these comments – any confidential help , opinions are appreciated . I have only days now to complete this revision and response
Wahl responds
Thoughts and perspective concerning the reviewer’s comments per se. These are coded in blue and are in the “Notes” column between pages 103 and 122 inclusive. It got to the point that I could not be exhaustive, given the very lengthy set of review thoughts, so I am also attaching a review article Caspar [Ammann] and I plan to submit to Climatic Change in the next few days….Please note that this Ammann-Wahl text is sent strictly confidentially — it should not be cited or mentioned in any form, and MUST not be transmitted without permission. However, I am more than happy to send it for your use, because it succinctly summarizes what we have found on all the issues that have come up re: MBH. As you can see, we agree at some level with some of the criticisms raised by MM [McIntyre] and others, but we do not find that they invalidate MBH in any substantial way.
Briffa responds
Gene
here is where I am up to now with my responses (still a load to do) you can see that I have “borrowed (stolen)” from 2 of your responses in a significant degree – please assure me that this OK (and will not later be obvious) hopefully.You will get the whole text(confidentially again ) soon. You could also see that I hope to be fair to Mike[Mann] – but he can be a little unbalanced in his remarks sometime – and I have had to disagree with his interpretations of some issues also. Please do not pass these on to anyone at all.
Keith
Wahl responds, jumping into the “divergence” problem which has come to be known as the “hide the decline” problem.
Hi Keith:
Here is the text with my comments. I will go over the “stolen” parts (highlighted in blue outline) for a final time tomorrow morning, but I wanted to get this to you ASAP. The main new point I have to make is added in bold/blue font on pp. 101-103. I question the way the response to the comment there is currently worded, as it seems to imply that the divergence issue really does invalidate any dendro-based reconstructions before about 1850–which I imagine is not what you would like to say. I give a series of arguments against this as a general conclusion. Maybe I got over-bold in doing so, as in my point (1) I’m examining issues that are at the very core of your expertise! Excuse me that one, but I decided to jump in anyway. Let me know if I got it wrong in any way!
Briffa responds
First Gene – let me say that I never intended that you should spend so much time on this – though I really appreciate your take on these points. The one you highlight here – correctly warns me that in succumbing to the temptation to be lazy in the sense of the brief answer that I have provided – I do give an implied endorsement of the sense of the whole comment. This is not, of course what I intended. I simply meant to agree that some reference to the “divergence” issue was necessitated . I will revise the reply to say briefly that I do not agree with the interpretation of the reviewer. I am attaching what I have done (see blue highlighting) to the section in response to comments (including the addition of the needed extra section on the “tree-ring issues” called for by several people). I have had no feedback yet on this as it has not been generally circulated , but thought you might like to see it. PLEASE REMEMBER that this is “for your eyes only ” . Please do NOT feel that I am asking /expecting you to go through this in any detail – but given the trouble you have taken,I thought it reasonable to give you a private look. Cheers
Keith
So, Briffa writes confidentially to Wahl for help and Wahl assists him by passing a copy of a paper that has yet to be published. The aim is to answer concerns that McIntyre as reviewer has raised. Wahl and Amman’s words are incorporated in the response to McIntyre with the hope that no one will ever notice.
Two years later, someone does notice. It’s May 24th 2008, Steve McIntyre, climate science puzzle solver, is reading the reviewer comments to chapter 6 of AR4 written in 2006. In the course of reviewing Briffa’s replies to him, McIntyre notes something peculiar. Briffa’s replies, written in 2006, seemed to plagiarize an unpublished paper by Casper Amman and Eugene Wahl published in 2007. That is, in 2006 Briffa was repeating the argument of a paper that was not published until 2007. How could Briffa plagiarize an article that hadn’t been published? Why would he repeat the arguments almost word for word? Who was feeding Briffa his arguments? How was Briffa doing this if all communication with the authors had to be part of the official record?
At the time, in May of 2008, McIntyre assumed that Briffa was getting information from Casper Ammann since Ammann was listed as a contributing author to chapter 6. It did not occur to McIntyre that Wahl was the source of the text. Thanks to the individual who liberated the Climategate emails, we now know that Wahl was the source of that text. The Climategate emails, quoted above, show Briffa and Wahl exchanging emails about the way McIntyre’s arguments should be handled. Confidentially, outside the process of the IPCC which is designed to capture reviewer objections and authors’ responses to those objections. Wahl is brought in by Briffa to defend his own work. And defend it with literature that has not been published yet.
At the same time in 2008, across the ocean, David Holland had been reading McIntyre’s work and he had issued an FOIA request to the Climatic Research Unit–CRU. That FOIA request covered all correspondence coming in and out of CRU relative to chapter 6 of AR4. The hunt for the source that was feeding Briffa was on, with Holland leading the charge. At CRU, FOIA officer Palmer instructs the team that they must do everything “by the book” because Holland will most certainly appeal a rejection letter.
In that context, Jones writes the famous email to Mann. Jones requests that Mann delete his emails and he requests that Mann contact Wahl and have Wahl delete his emails. Is Jones covering his bases in case of an appeal? Is he covering his bases against an FOIA request that might be served on Mann and Wahl in the US? In any case, he appears to be conspiring with others to deny Holland his FOIA rights.
Mike,
Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4? Keith will do likewise. He’s not in at the moment – minor family crisis Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same? I don’t have his new email address.We will be getting Caspar to do likewise. I see that CA claim they discovered the 1945 problem in the Nature paper
Mann responds that he will contact Wahl ASAP, which he does.
Hi Phil,
laughable that CA would claim to have discovered the problem. They would have run off to the Wall Street Journal for an exclusive were that to have been true. I’ll contact Gene about this ASAP. His new email is: generwahl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
talk to you later,
mike
As Wahl told the investigators in 2011, Mann contacted [forwarded the email from Jones requesting deletion to] him and Wahl deleted his mails.
In 2010, in an effort to clear Mann of any wrong doing, a committee of inquiry was set up at Penn State. We now know that committee failed miserably. They failed for many reasons, but the Wahl admission is the starkest example.
Here is one allegation the committee investigated:
Allegation 2: Did you engage in, or participate in, directly or indirectly, any actions with the intent to delete, conceal or otherwise destroy emails, information and/or data, related to AR4, as suggested by Phil Jones?
Finding 2. After careful consideration of all the evidence and relevant materials, the inquiry committee finding is that there exists no credible evidence that Dr. Mann had ever engaged in, or participated in, directly or indirectly, any actions with intent to delete, conceal or otherwise destroy emails, information and/or data related to AR4, as suggested by Dr. Phil Jones. Dr. Mann has stated that he did not delete emails in response to Dr. Jones’ request. Further, Dr. Mann produced upon request a full archive of his emails in and around the time of the preparation of AR4. The archive contained e-mails related to AR4.
The committee found this because they apparently failed to understand Mann’s reply. As they reported:
He [Mann] explained that he never deleted emails at the behest of any other scientist, specifically including Dr. Phil Jones, and that he never withheld data with the intention of obstructing science; …
What can we make of this? Mann was apparently asked the question: “Did you engage in or participate in, directly or indirectly, any actions with the intent to delete emails.”
And it seems clear he only answered half of the question, leaving the unanswered second part dangling: did you contact anyone or otherwise ‘indirectly’ participate in deleting records? This either did not strike, or did not interest, the Penn State ‘investigators’. This despite that Mann, it appears, answered “carefully” and incompletely. He only answered that he hadn’t deleted emails. He never directly denies partaking, indirectly, in the deletion of Wahl’s emails. He apparently withheld the information that he had asked [forwarded the request to] Wahl to delete emails.
Is this a lie? Not directly. It’s more what Wikipedia would describe as “Careful Speaking”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie
Careful speaking is distinct from the above in that the speaker wishes to avoid imparting certain information or admitting certain facts and, additionally, does not want to ‘lie’ when doing so. Careful speaking involves using carefully-phrased statements to give a ‘half-answer’: one that does not actually ‘answer’ the question, but still provides an appropriate (and accurate) answer based on that question. As with ‘misleading’, below, ‘careful speaking’ is not outright lying.
So why did the inquiry, stocked with Mann’s fellow professors, fail to ask good follow up questions? We really do not know because we don’t have access to the transcript of their interview with Mann. Did he intend to deceive? Or did he just speak “carefully?” It would seem that the actual transcript of the questions and answers should be published. Perhaps Congress should serve the members of the inquiry with a subpoena. That would allow people to decide if Mann lied or if he just spoke carefully.
And there are a few more questions we need to ask. Mann claims that he never deleted the emails. But he asked [forwarded Jones’s request to] Wahl to delete the emails. This makes no sense. It makes no sense that Mann would participate in a cover up by passing along a message to another participant of that cover-up downstream and not delete emails himself. It defies any logical reconstruction of events. Why would Mann ask [forward a request to] Wahl to do something that he himself would not do? We also know from the inquiry that Mann delivered emails to the inquiry. From that evidence and his testimony they concluded that he deleted no emails. This does not compute. [S.M: See update below for a possible explanation ]
Jones requested of Mann: Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4?
The inquiry stated: The archive contained e-mails related to AR4. (Hmm…more “Careful Speaking”?)
Did the inquiry find any emails of Mann communicating with Briffa re AR4 or just some emails related to AR4?
Did Mann turn over all the emails he wrote/received or only those he didn’t delete?
Was the email from Phil Jones requesting deletion among the emails Mann delivered to the inquiry?
Did the IT staff serve Mann, by letting him know that what he initially attempted to delete were in fact retained on the University mail server?
Did Mann turn over emails to the inquiry that he had previously deleted, deleted and then recovered with the help of some sympathetic University IT staff?
These questions need to be asked.
Perhaps Congress should serve Mann a subpoena.
Perhaps, the IG, the NSF, or some other suitable independent third party can investigate this with people who know how to watch for the pea under the thimble, and not be mislead by “Careful Speaking”.
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UPDATES:
Steve McIntyre at Climate Audit has the goods in this: Wahl Transcript Excerpt
Chris Horner at DailyCaller also has a review: Penn State whitewashed ClimateGate
In fact, Chris Horner and the Competitive Enterprise Institute were instrumental in efforts over a year to get this and other forthcoming FOIA info into the public domain. – Anthony
UPDATE 3/9 12PM Mann and Wahl have responded see here.
Excerpt:
Mann, reached on vacation in Hawaii, said the stories yesterday were “libelous” and false. “They’re spreading a lie about me,” he said of the Web sites. “This has been known for a year and a half that all I did was forward Phil’s e-mail to Eugene.” Asked why he sent the e-mail to his colleague, Mann said, “I felt Eugene Wahl had to be aware of this e-mail … it could be used against him. I didn’t delete any e-mails and nor did I tell Wahl to delete any e-mails.” Why didn’t Mann call Wahl to discuss the odd request? “I was so busy. It’s much easier to e-mail somebody. No where did I approve of the instruction to destroy e-mails.”
Also at the above link, Wahl has now publicly stated that he did in fact delete emails in response to the request forwarded to him by Mann, rendering moot our need to wait for our original sources to confirm this story.
UPDATE: 3/9 6PM Chris Horner, whose story at the Daily Caller prompted a fair amount of outrage from AGW proponents, has responded to Wahl and Mann here
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h/t SF Grand Master, Damon Knight, who was the author of the original short story this Twilight Zone episode was based upon.
Jones specifically asked Mann to delete emails with Briffa with regard to AR4. Mann claims that he deleted no mails. This is entirely possible, especially if there were no mails fitting the description. Canvasing the Climategate mails, we can only find a few mails between Briffa and Mann related to Ar4. If there were few or no mails to delete, then it does make sense that Mann could have passed the instruct to delete onto Wahl, without deleting mails himself. S. Mosher.

“RobW says:
March 8, 2011 at 10:24 am
A simple answer to whether the e-mails were deleted by Mann. Demand he produce all the e-mails re:AR4. if he has not deleted them then surely he must have them and they go right to the heart of the Team activities.”
RobW, all of the emails that are known to exist are now in the public record. Anyone with access to an internet connection can “produce all the emails” that are known to exist. Mann’s magic trick of producing the emails when asked by the investigators (which left the investigators in a state of child like delight) is not much of a feat.
paul says:
March 8, 2011 at 10:22 am
“Perhaps Congress should serve Mann a subpoena”
Just one question about this – what is the jurisdiction of congress in the UK?”
Paul, Mann is a U.S. citizen who resides in the U.S., is and has been an employee of U.S. institutions where he does what some call “research” and is funded by state and Federal tax money. Ergo, he is subject to the jurisdiction of our Congress as well as courts of competent authority. I also suspect that he would be subject to a request for extradition from either the Congress or a court if he were to take refuge in the U.K.
“Steve, when a statement is made, or information is delivered with the intent to deceive, that is called a lie. Wikipedia is wrong, again.”
Generally speaking I would not take a dictionary definition as a final word as you seem to. One simple way to understand this is to realize that we have many many locutions in ordinary language to characterize forms of deception and misleading. Those locutions attempt to represent features and properties that human beings have found important, in my philosophical world ordinary language trumps a dictionary definition.
But let’s use your definition. for your definition to fit mann, you have to know that he intended to deceive.
Maybe he forgot that he forwarded Jones mail to Wahl? maybe he wasnt sure that he did forward it. Maybe he didnt check that wahl actually deleted mails.
Lets take the last case. I’m Mann. I remember that I forwarded him the mail. But I never checked that he complied. and I didn’t delete mails.
Now, ask me if I deleted mails or participated in the deletion?
the CAREFUL answer is this: I did not delete mails.
the FULL answer is: I did not delete mails, and I dont know if wahl did.
If he said he participated in wahls deletion, that ASSUMES he knew that wahl followed the instructions passed on.
Anyway, the real question is. why didnt the inquiry show more intelligence than WUWT readers? hehe
Anton says:
March 8, 2011 at 9:06 am
“As with ‘misleading’, below, ‘careful speaking’ is not outright lying.”–Wikipedia (ugh!)
Only a Protestant could come up with this.
Not so fast, Anton: “The Jesuits hold that neither intentional ambiguity nor the fact of making a mental reservation can be regarded as lying, since, in both cases, all that happens is that one’s neighbor is not actually deceived, but rather his deception is permitted only for a justifiable cause.”’ from ‘The Power and Secret of the Jesuits’ by Rene Fulop-Miller
Since we have not seen the transcript, we have not seen his answer and hence we do not know whether Mann lied or not.
All that we have seen is a summary of what he supposedly said to the panel. If that summary, ie., “He [Mann] explained that he never deleted emails at the behest of any other scientist, specifically including Dr. Phil Jones, and that he never withheld data with the intention of obstructing science; …” is an accurate account of what he actually said, all he is saying is:
‘I never deleted e-mails…’
‘I never withheld data with the intention of obstructing science…’
If as a matter of fact, Mann never deleted any e-mails (or giving him the benefit of doubt, never deleted any e-mails with the intention of obstructing science) AND if Mann never withheld data with the intention of obstructing science, then he did not lie and the statement would be true.
It is noteworthy that he may have deleted e-mails (provided that at the time of making the deletion he did not intend the deletion to obstruct science). It is also noteworthy that he may have withheld data (provided that at the time of the withholding of data he did not intend by the withholding of data to obstruct science).
The simple fact is that if the panel’s summary of his answer is correct, he simply did not answer the question put.
The real failing here lies with the panel. They should have followed up asking him
‘Did you engage in, or participate in, whwether directly and/or indirectly, any actions whatsoever with the intent to delete, conceal or otherwise destroy emails, information and/or data, related to AR4, as suggested by Phil Jones, in the sense of communicating in any way whatsoever to any other person and/or persons a request and/or suggestion to, or to the effect of, deleting, concealing or otherwise destroying emails, information and/or data, related to AR4?’
We had a saying in the navy, “If ya ain’t cheatin,’ ya ain’t tryin.'” Mann’s just an over-achiever.
Dr Mann has now produced the e-mails. As I understand it, his University claimed in response to an FOI request that these did not exist. I’m delighted to hear they have been located. Perhaps he can now substantiate his claim to his investigatory panel that Dr McIntyre requested data in spreadsheet format?
I infer that the Dr McIntyre is Dr Steve McIntyre of the ClimateAudit blog.
Given that Dr Mann testified there is “no merit whatsoever to Mr. McIntyre’s claims here.” Specifically, Dr. Mann repeated that all data, as well as the source codes requested by Dr. McIntyre, were in fact made available to him. All data were listed on Dr. Mann’s FTP site in 2000, and the source codes were made available to Dr. McIntyre about a year after his request was made, in spite of the fact that the National Science Foundation had ruled that scientists were not required to do so. The issue of an “incorrect version” of the data came about because Dr. McIntyre had requested the data (which were already available on the FTP site) in spreadsheet format, and Dr. Rutherford, early on, had unintentionally sent an incorrectly formatted spreadsheet.
Italicised excerpt from http://live.psu.edu/fullimg/userpics/10026/Final_Investigation_Report.pdf
I confess I’ve always found Dr McIntyre’s claim that he asked no such thing to be perfectly plausible.
There’s a reason why when being put under oath, you are told to tell “the truth, the WHOLE truth, and nothing but the truth”. A half truth, even if it spoken carefully, is still a lie.
KnR
good points. you know Charles and I spent a lot of time coming up with alternative scenarios and interpretations. at some point we just had to cut it off and throw it out to the readers to have some fun trying to understand the full story from limited facts.
Its a good exercise to flesh out all the arguments and all the possibilities.
For example, should Mann even be the focus. perhaps the inquiry should be investigated.
The point is included near the end that it appeared as if the Inquiry was “Careful Speaking” as well. This might get missed by a light read.
Another scenario that fits the known facts stated above is that Mann could have been working for years undercover with authorities in order to entrap the other researchers into engaging in bad behavior.
But somehow I think we can discard this explanation.
Mann a Liar? If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck….
Last NOAA data for the contiguous U.S. continues to show a significant cooling trend since 1998!
http://thetruthpeddler.wordpress.com/2011/03/08/latest-government-data-shows-us-cooling-at-a-rate-of-9-3-deg-f-century/
richard verney says:
March 8, 2011 at 11:02 am (Edit)
Since we have not seen the transcript, we have not seen his answer and hence we do not know whether Mann lied or not.
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yes. he also may have not known that Wahl followed the instructions given by Jones.
Summary: dont send in university professors to lead an investigation.
Im actually quite surprised by this – a member of the team has finally admitted the truth – well done Eugene.
CSI: Climategate
How can you have a serious inquiry without having a transcript? That is a strong indication in itself that the “inquiry” was never intended to get to the truth.
Steve: I think you are mealy-mouthing about what happened. Else, why did you relate that Mann only answered half a question? Withing the context of the situation, he was lying.
The man has a PhD, and is not stupid. He knew the meaning of the question. It is clear that he intended to deceive, and his answer was deceitful. Period.
There are liars, and there are intelligent liars.
Mann is one of the brighter liars.
“Sources confirm that a federal inspector has questioned Eugene Wahl and Wahl has confirmed that Mann asked him to delete emails.”
Just ask Mann if the above statment is true.
So this “careful speaking” was “peer reviewed” by 4 of dr Manns’ peers at Penn state, and they found absolutely nothing wrong with his claims.
I really wonder how this may effect the trust in climate science, and dr Manns’ likewise peer reviewed reasearch publications.
Hopefully now the issues of eg upside-down Tijander, Re-values, and other oddities, will finally become interesting to mainstream climate scientists. Why would you trust this guys research when he now has a proven track record of… let’s call it… being creative with the truth?
After Eugen Wahl confessed to have been asked to delete emails and done accordingly,
this appears to be the last chance for realclimate and their ilk to distance themselves from Michael Mann and Phil Jones.
Steve and charles the moderator,
Very nicely put together. This reads very well. It is like a crime novel expose.
Not only did they delete the emails, as you guys showed during the Climategate aftermath, but now we see the full extent of the intent and scale of the cover-up to shield Mann from any criticism.
Steve McIntyre is a true genius.
Thanks for the great article.
Paul W
He never directly denies partaking, indirectly, in the deletion of Wahl’s emails. He apparently withheld the information that he had asked Wahl to delete emails.
Is this a lie? Not directly. It’s more what Wikipedia would describe as “Careful Speaking”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie
In my opinion, if the intention behind the ‘careful speaking’ is to avoid the attempt of the person asking the question to evince the truth, and convince them that their question has been adequately answered, then while it might not be a flat out lie, it is dishonest.
Oh and by the way, it looks like Mann lied. The fact that he can’t discern between a truth and a lie is disturbing.
I subscribe to the Aquinan definition of “lie”, not the Wikipedia notion of “Careful Speaking”
http://www.lonang.com/exlibris/aquinas/sum22069.htm
Here is just as damning notion of lying…
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/lying-definition/
In reference to Serving Mann ex Twilight Zone…
I’m not fond of pork. But if one has to serve a dish of Mann, I suggest this:
http://www.porkrecipes.org/
I suggest a Burgundy wine with Mann.
Cheers
PW
@tallbloke
Re “Climactic Research Unit”… I thought the text implied that it was the “last” research unit (after all, we’re all doomed)
Bill Clinton (it depends on the meaning of “is”) is likely giving Mann legal advice.
Perhaps Mann instructed an assistant to delete the e-mails and now feels he can claim that “he” didn’t delete them.
Through all this, Keith Briffa gives every impression of being a man completely out of his depth.
Having had the dubious pleasure of sitting through one of his lectures way back when I was an undergraduate, this does not surprise me at all. At the end of the talk, I seized the opportunity of asking him the $64,000 question : “How can you be certain that tree-ring growth is solely dependant on temperature?”
He shot me a very dark look, and his mumbled reply of “it just does” did not convince me one bit. I have given zero credence to temperature re-constructions from tree-ring proxies ever since.