Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
I guess having electricity when you need it is sooooo last century … UK families will have to get used to “only using power when it was available”. That constant electricity at home was dangerous anyhow, the unending hum of the wires can drive a man so insane that the only way to cure him is to make him head of the National Grid …
UK persons … comments?
w.
[Update, for those who believe the above is a faked article, I had Green Sand send me a photo and another scan of the actual newspaper. ~ ctm]
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David says:
March 5, 2011 at 7:49 am
eadler – Murdoch does not own The Telegraph.
Chris Booker and James Delingpole both work for The Telegraph – and are about the only journos who routinely and vociferously air their skeptical views on CAGW.
I stand corrected, but actually Murdoch does own an Australian paper, The Daily Telegraph which is published in Sidney. I guess I confused the UK Telegraph with the Australian one.
Yes, I was thinking of Delingpole and Booker when I saw the distorted story on the proposed new UK electricity grid.
Well at least the environmentalists will be happy. Socialism sure is a wonderful system!
Of course, it is the Brits choice if they want to continue their descent into a third world country. Or they could vote UKIP.
Apologies if this has already been posted, but here is the link to the original interview, in audio, with Steve Holiday, head of the UK National Grid on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme 1st March 2011:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9410000/9410485.stm
Here is a link to that days programme schedule, which shows the interview aired at 8:46AM GMT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9410000/9410170.stm
Do you know why the right to bare arms was put in our Constitution? It’s not so we can hunt or protect ourselves against bad guys. It was put in place to ensure that if the government, their government were to become tyrannical, the People would have a way to rectifying the problem and reinstall true government. They have almost totally disarmed the British people, and it’s a fight to keep what we have on this side of the pond.
I think I’ve found a solution:
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2011/03/08/dear-england-power-to-you/
Do you know why the right to bare arms was put in our Constitution?
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I thought it was so that Michelle Obama could wear sleeveless tops. 🙂
eadler said:
I stand corrected, but actually Murdoch does own an Australian paper, The Daily Telegraph which is published in Sidney.
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That would be Sydney. Your reputation for accuracy remains untarnished.
I have a name for the eco-loonies proposing this BS. I call them “Dung Agers”. They want us to heat our homes with cow flop and move our goods with horse-drawn carts over roads paved with dung.
It sounds to me as though the British people need to think about the lessons learned from the American Revolution, the India’s break from England, and many more. When government fails to have the best interest of its citizens’ in mind, it is time for the people to take back their consent to be governed in such a manner. (I’m not advocating violence. But, the powers that make ill-advised decisions need to be challenged by the populous and challenged often.)
Good Luck to all “across the pond” from the USA.
(And yes, I do know that we (USA) have our own issues to work on also.)
Todd;
Challenged by the populous what? The populous populus? How populous does the populus have to be?
😉
In response to a comment made about shale gas, that is the scam as it takes more energy to get the gas than the energy gained from the amount of gas extracted, therefore it is pointless, it also harms the environment and involves using fresh water which we are running out of. The most viable alternative energies are tidal, wind and solar. Our government really want to be investing in these and forget about oil which worldwide is running out BIG style, global oil production reached it’s peak in 2006, and that’s from the IEA if you don’t believe me!! We need to get involved with transition initiatives, our communities and be as self sustainable as possible. (e.g growing as much of our own food as possible) Trust me!!
Fro;
trust you? Not if you said the sun would rise in the East. What a load of nonsense.
The world is 20 years from running out of oil, and always has been, and always will be.
And frac gas is superabundant world-wide. There is no energy crisis.
Wow…
An amazing amount of ignorance shown by many of the comments above.
I suggest that before you all become experts on energy – that you do some research first ? And then when you make bold statements – back that up by listing your source.
I won’t even bother to put forward my opinion as someone who’s worked in the UK energy industry for 20 years….
wow says:
March 13, 2011 at 11:19 am (Edit)
Won’t bother to put forward your opinion? Get real, my friend, so far you’ve put forth nothing but your own opinions. Your post is 100% opinion.
No statement of what you disagree with.
No statement of what you agree with.
No numbers.
You call passionately for citations, but you don’t provide the tiniest shred of evidence for any of your claims. You call us “ignorant”, but provide nothing to show that you are more than a random internet troll.
So far, 100% opinion. No facts. Just wind.
Don’t get me wrong, wow, you may indeed have the inside track. You may actually have the numbers. You may be able to point out where I’ve made egregious errors. Heck, you may even have worked in the UK energy industry for 20 years as you claim, I don’t know. And that’s the point. I don’t know.
Because from out here, what you look like is an unpleasant blowhard with an ego so big it has its own area code, who is hiding behind an alias to make vague but ugly accusations, without a scrap of fact or evidence to support your overweening unpleasantness.
If you have something of substance to say, you are more than welcome to say it. I’d be more than happy to hear what a 20 UK energy guy has to say, I’ve spent a good chunk of my life in the energy field myself. That’s what this blog is about.
But if all you have to offer are accusations and general unpleasantness, your silence would be appreciated.
Your choice …
w.
Fro says:
March 12, 2011 at 3:09 pm
Sometimes commenters really amaze me. Companies in the US and elsewhere are currently selling gas from shale, more and more every day. There’s immense interest in it in places like Israel, which has no conventional energy resources but evidently has shale gas. European gas companies are gearing up, the New York Times reports:
Meanwhile, Fro is inhabiting a parallel universe where there’s no money to be made in shale gas at all. It’s all just a giant scam, because it takes more energy to get the shale gas out than you get from the shale gas. I don’t know how China and the CEO of Total fit into the scam in his parallel Earth, but it’s a scam, and if you don’t believe it, he says, “Trust me.”
I don’t get it. I know this kind of willful blindness is out there, but every once in a while it just jumps up and smacks me in the face. What holds up such an unsupportable belief as that?
Fro, you are discussing the EROEI, or the energy return on energy invested. I can assure you that the shale gas companies are very aware of that number, they watch it very closely. Extraction costs (of which the energy costs contained in the EROEI are only a part) determine not only whether a field is worth tapping, but more importantly, at what point to stop extracting the resource.
And if it takes two barrels of oil to get a barrel of oil out of the ground, guess what? They’re not dumb. They don’t do it. If it takes the energy in two cubic metres of shale gas to extract only one cubic metre of shale gas, they shut the operation down.
So no, I don’t trust you, Fro. You live in a parallel universe, one where companies worldwide are rushing to get in on a deal so they can lose money by burning two cubic metres of shale gas in order to extract one cubic metre of shale gas.
w.
johanna says:
March 8, 2011 at 5:13 pm
I didn’t spray my coffee over the keyboard, but I did snort some up my nose, I was laughing so hard. I do love the well turned phrase.
Thanks, johanna, made my afternoon.
w.
Brian H,
OK, apparently “the populous” was an incorrect use of the word. A better choice would have been “the people” or “the electorate”.
Thanks for the correction,
Todd 🙂
Todd;
You just had an extra “o”. Populus = the people. Populous = well populated.
Which is what I meant by “populous populus”. That’s lotsa people!