The Empire Strikes Out

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

I guess having electricity when you need it is sooooo last century … UK families will have to get used to “only using power when it was available”. That constant electricity at home was dangerous anyhow, the unending hum of the wires can drive a man so insane that the only way to cure him is to make him head of the National Grid …

UK persons … comments?

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[Update, for those who believe the above is a faked article, I had Green Sand send me a photo and another scan of the actual newspaper. ~ ctm]

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JPeden
March 6, 2011 11:46 am

softestpawn says:
The intent is to build a ‘smartgrid’, where low-urgency tasks such as routine clothes washing and water heating automatically switch on when energy is cheaper and more available, such as when wind farms are online.
It’s downright magical, isn’t it, how – even in spite of the record of experience with wind farms as proven abject failures on their own in many ways and in need of conventional backup anyway, etc. – simply wishing it will work still makes it so? And how, the more wishful it is, the more it is true, just because it is “possible” – on the strength of a kind of equal and opposite “Precautionary Principle” which otherwise always leads to the Apocalypse because it is possible?
Well, softestpawn, you first! It seems you even think you are perfectly fit for it. Unless I missed your sarcasim.
Because the reality of the “smart grid” now as stated is that it will make a lot of things mere people = the Proletariat associate with their current “standard of living” start to disappear; in turn making their “low-urgency tasks”….again as defined by the Post Normal Peoples’ Elitist “quality” of perfection which is always attached to themselves solely by their own wishful self-annointment and then their self-assertion of the same thing, such that, finally, “I say it, therefore, it is true”….making the Proletariat’s “low-urgency tasks” progressively more urgent and lowering their standard of living.
Not to mention the decrease of their/our freedoms, rights, and economic liberty, resulting from “we the proles” being under the control of the State.
There’s really no end to this process for the Proletariat and the Bourgeoise – if there really is any distinction between the two in practice – except their complete enslavement or death, unless they stop it politically or nonviolently before it’s too late, or revolt just as the Communists say they should, against the Oppressor Masters they always say they are here to save the world from, but which the Communists themselves strangely always come to eventually embody whenever they get control, as a perfection of their own materialistic physical principle of “history as class warfare”, the Master-Slave Society, which some of them and their “usefuls” probably thought they were going to magically escape. Because it was “possible”?

Vince Causey
March 6, 2011 11:58 am

Gary Hladik says:
March 5, 2011 at 9:05 pm
“racookpe1978 says (March 5, 2011 at 8:13 pm): “Now, WHEN am I going to get electricity next year and how much am I going to pay for it?”
I think the government is telling you that if you need reliable power, you’ll have to provide it yourself while of course complying with all government regulations (though strangely, the gov is admitting it can’t do both; maybe you’ll have more luck).
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No! Government will maintain total monopoly over power. Individual’s generating their own power will be outlawed.
“Either that or they’re telling you to move your business to a place with reliable power, like China or India. :-)”
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Government want manufacturing to move abroad, as it helps the the UK reach its co2 reduction commitments.

Sal Minella
March 6, 2011 12:05 pm

Look! The solution for generating electricity during low/no wind periods is to draw on the Strategic Wind Reserve. Granted it will need to be replenished later but, there are many periods of excess wind or, so my wife says.

eadler
March 6, 2011 1:25 pm

JPeden says:
March 5, 2011 at 5:51 pm
eadler says:
Use of washers, driers, and charging electric cars will cost less if it is done off peak.
Attn., eadlers of the world, since we know you only want to “help” save the world and humanity, after a fashion alleged by one who says he is “partners with God” to therefore be perhaps somewhat like “making the rough places plane”, some important feedback that you urgently need to know has just arrived via Shirley McClain and Joan Baez’s Channelling Network, concerning the responses of both Gaia and Allah to your, the U.K’s, and Vermont’s apparently somewhat feckless attempts to engineer Social Justice’s promised low cost, perfectly Equalized, Flat Lined Utopia. …..
Steady there Dr Peden. There is no need to get so heated up. The smart grid is about technology that will reduce the cost of electricity to everybody.
REPLY: And unicorns will poop rainbows. Eadler, as usual is delusional. The price of electricity will continue to rise, smart grids, dumb grids, green grids, whatever aren’t going to help that. With all the carbon taxes that Eadler and his ilk believe in, electricity prices will easily double in the next 10 years. I call bullshit on Eadler, and yes I AM worked up because my electricity “green” bill in California is horrendous. There’s the promise, but the lie shows up in the mail once a month. Walk in my shoes, then you’ll have perspective. Go haunt some other blog with your delusions. – Anthony

John from CA
March 6, 2011 2:08 pm

At the end of this day, it pitifully comes down to “Labor Party Science” that fails to address the issues or to even address a future in an insightful way.
May God have mercy on the souls who will suffer from the ignorance in the UK.

March 6, 2011 2:14 pm

PG&E’s small business customers will be facing dynamic pricing soon.
“After November 2011, the current “flat rate” for electricity will no longer be available to business customers who have had Smart Meters for 12 months. Instead, the price will vary by time of day, and will be nearly five times higher in certain “critical peak” periods, when electricity usage is at its highest, than in “off-peak” periods. Under the new rate structure, small business customers will have to choose among five rate options. Those failing to make an affirmative choice will be “defaulted” to an option that will cause far more variability in their summer bills than they now experience under the current “flat” rates. In 2007, when the CPUC was considering dynamic pricing, DRA had opposed making dynamic pricing the default rate structure, preferring instead that customers have the choice to “opt into” this new rate design. Despite DRA’s objections, the Commission adopted default dynamic pricing for all non-residential customers. Customers will still have the option to “opt out” to a less complex time varying rate, but they will no longer have a flat rate option.”
http://www.dra.ca.gov/DRA/News/News+Releases/100225_pge.htm

David Delaney UK
March 6, 2011 2:38 pm

We have seen this coming for some time. It is because our rulers are Quislings obeying dictats from the EU. I have installed my 12 KVA standby generator. I have also installed a 4KW PV solar array. Not to save us from CAGW but to cash in on the stupid government subsidies!

Darren
March 6, 2011 5:01 pm

G’day from Australia!
Yes the world is really going backwards and we have our share of nuts down here that’s for sure!..I mean,I thought science and technology was supposed to ADVANCE society…not the other way around.It’s approaching time whereby we have to not only take to the streets and whinge but go to the politicians and route the bastards..flush ’em out like a fox from blackberries!!..
Fabian Socialists and other heathen are running the show and here in Oz we have an ardent Fabian Socialist ratbag,held to account by a zombie-looking ‘Green’…who just happens to have the surname of Brown.He’s gay and also trying to push gay marriage onto us also,but that’s another issue.

JPeden
March 6, 2011 6:02 pm

eadler:
The smart grid is about technology that will reduce the cost of electricity to everybody.
Right, dear eadlers of the world, if you can’t get it, voila, you won’t have to pay for it! – “cost” problem solved by the Ministry of Electric Justice’s “smart grid”, “a model for future Sustainability!” Oh oh, except as per the Steaming Idiocy Brilliance of Obamacare’s Commerce Clause argument where even if, and when, you don’t buy it or can’t buy it for whatever reason, you are by means of a new definition of “commerce”, which now doesn’t even try to say what is not “commerce”, still engaging in “commerce”; and therefore you have to buy it if the Government says so, even if there isn’t enough of it there for everyone to buy – via various techniques and forces producing scarcity and rationing – by sending money to the IRS.
Social Justice [including your “right” to healthcare, which already existed before Obamacare due to the law regarding Emergency Room services and was in fact payed for “Nationally” by anyone who had Ins. coverage or could pay something, noting that a lot of people and entities were also willingly providing a certain per cent of free care] = the right of the Central Government to redistribute and ration potentially everything; which then reduces the supply of whatever is redistributed or rationed since there is eventually almost no incentive for anyone to produce it, that is, if it is only going to be appropriated/”stripped of their backs” by the Central Government and given out “equally” to other people, that is, after the Gov’t takes takes its “healthy” cut, essentiallly as another Parasite upon the Producers, or eventually upon anyone who has anything left to take.
Instead of wealth creation, Social Justice = wealth confiscation and destruction of wealth, fbo the Central Government or the Party.
Attn., eadlers of the world, Communism never works except for its SlaveMasters – which is apparently why you eadlers like it? Or do you really believe in the possibility of a Utopia, a Heaven on Earth?

phlogiston
March 6, 2011 6:13 pm

Which will drive the population out of the UK the fastest? The imminent end of the current interglacial? Or fanatical, genocidal KHMER VERT environmentalism?

pat
March 6, 2011 9:39 pm

I see every cow fart, wind farm, cold fission/fusion, biomass, kitchen waste, energy specialist has now found the topic. Along with the usual energy distribution experts in electric transportation across international borders, the Americas, Canada, EU etc. Then there are the amateur economists telling everyone how less of a product will not only make every one safer, more comfortable, but richer.
I have an idea. Sell your nonsense to Zimbabwe. The former bread basket of Africa. It will bring in a million.

Patrick Davis
March 6, 2011 10:44 pm

“JPeden says:
March 6, 2011 at 6:02 pm”
That’s true however, consumers will still be obliged to pay their connection fees regardless if there is any supply. Using Lagos, Nigeia as an example, people who have “supply” connected pay connection fees however, there is no, regular, supply so “consumers” have to rely on individual petrol generators alog with all the associates noice and air pollution.

Beale
March 6, 2011 11:19 pm

I worry when Holliday talks about investing 200+ billion pounds (see here). Does Great Britain even have enough incentive to offer for that?
Thank you, Atomic Hairdryer, for mentioning the 2012 Olympics. Let be bowdlerize my first reaction as “Oh, brother”.

Alex the skeptic
March 7, 2011 12:25 am

In ten year’s time, our children will not know what snow, sorry, I mean electricity is.

PatK
March 7, 2011 1:20 am

Can Green Sand send another, wider scan of the actual newspaper? ie. Wide enough to include Mr Holliday’s full face rather than just his left ear?

anorak2
March 7, 2011 1:34 am

Mooloo says:
March 4, 2011 at 8:08 pm
Increasingly people do have smart appliances (quite cheap to add in these days of fancy electronics) and it is sheer laziness which prevents some (some) rescheduling.
The kind of “smart appliances” ould have to be remotely controllable by the power company. No devices with such interfaces exist now. Besides it wouldn’t be sufficient that some percentage of the households be equipped with them. ALL households would have to, old appliances would have to be thrown out. Very economical and “sustainable”.
Now I’m picking that most people on this list are for free markets and free enterprise. In which case they should be for differential pricing according to supply and demand. However, many people go all cry-baby when free markets don’t suit them. They want socialised services – electricity at one price day and night.
I’m not, I’m for a socialised power grid. But above all technology has to adapt to human’s needs. If humans have to adapt their lifestyle to the shortcomings of a technology, when better alternatives exist, something is very wrong. That translates to: Electricity has to be available at all times at the same price, and it better be cheap.
If they chose not to buy “smart” appliances, it is not the fault of the electricity suppliers or the grid.
If the power companies decide to introduce a system that requires certain appliances when they never did before, it surely is their fault. They’re shifting the burden of managing electricity demands from themselves onto the consumers. Surely it’s their task, not ours.

anorak2
March 7, 2011 2:41 am

JLawson says:
March 4, 2011 at 11:21 am
come to the US. Bring the Top Gear blokes with you.
I don’t think Jeremy Clarkson would want to.

anorak2
March 7, 2011 3:04 am

Phillip Bratby says:
March 5, 2011 at 7:56 am
It could get worse in the UK if we follow the German susidies: From http://thegwpf.org/international-news/2586-eu-energy-commissioner-warns-of-de-industrialization.html we have
Unfortunately Oettinger is right in the quote you cite, but I can’t help showing you this. In the first bit in German he says “English will be the working language. Everyone has to speak and understand English in their jobs.” Enjoy 🙂
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWB5oyIjSF0&w=480&h=390%5D

rabbit
March 7, 2011 8:39 am

Three and a half words that turn “Save the planet!” into “Drill, baby, drill!”
Mommy, I’m cold.

Ben of Houston
March 7, 2011 8:57 am

Oh for the days when we would dream of treking thorugh the stars and going where no one has gone before. Now, it seems like the flea on the tail of the dog is wagging the entire creature. This is so backwards that I cannot even fathom it. In an age where computers are ubiquitous and rely on constant power generation, where industrial sites can suffer days of downtime due to a power blip lasting less than a second, and hospitals require high levels of constant electricity to care for and monitor patients, how can this answer be even dreamed of, much less be presented by a minister of the British government?

JP
March 7, 2011 9:12 am

PJ O’Rouke once said, ‘Everyone wants to save the world. But no one wants to help mom wash the dishes.”
I might add that that these new climate saviors have a problem with mom washing dishes -at least with hot waters, which was warmed by fossile fuels.

Shane Simmons
March 7, 2011 10:07 am

“Americans have started to draw the line and resoundingly voted in a congress with there wherewithall and madate to bring sanity into the energy debate. ”
Not really. Two years after Americans decided all the country’s problems were caused by Republicans, they decided things weren’t changing and that all the country’s problems were caused by Democrats. It’s likely to swing the other way in the next election cycle, or at least end in impasse again as this last one did (Republicans don’t control Congress, just one House.)

Shane Simmons
March 7, 2011 10:10 am

” ALL households would have to, old appliances would have to be thrown out. Very economical and “sustainable”.”
What we’ve been told in the U.S., and this comes from power companies which tend to be privately-owned here, is that we’re either going to have to reduce our usage, or see our rates jacked up substantially. We just don’t have the capacity to sustain current growth and power plants can’t be built fast enough to keep up with demand.

Pete B
March 7, 2011 10:29 am

Another part of the UK’s problem lies with the stifling bureaucracy, insufferable planning conditions and cotton-wool bound health and safety rules.
Everyone claims to want ‘green power’ but so long as its not in their back-yard. Even those supposed saviours, wind turbines, get their planning applications bounced over 80% of the time. Then if you connect a few solar panels into your electricity supply without it being fitted by an Approved Installer, your house insurance is automatically invalidated.
It really is driving the people to drink (check the figures for UK alcohol consumption, we lead the world) and most of our womenfolk over the age of 18 are on anti-depressants. The UK really is fcuked and everyone in their heart of hearts knows it.

dbleader61
March 7, 2011 12:21 pm

PatK says:
March 7, 2011 at 1:20 am
“Can Green Sand send another, wider scan of the actual newspaper? ie. Wide enough to include Mr Holliday’s full face rather than just his left ear?”
Excellent sir!