Researchers Crack the Mystery of the Missing Sunspots
March 2, 2011: In 2008-2009, sunspots almost completely disappeared for two years. Solar activity dropped to hundred-year lows; Earth’s upper atmosphere cooled and collapsed; the sun’s magnetic field weakened, allowing cosmic rays to penetrate the Solar System in record numbers. It was a big event, and solar physicists openly wondered, where have all the sunspots gone?
Now they know. An answer is being published in the March 3rd edition of Nature.
In this artistic cutaway view of the sun, the Great Conveyor Belt appears as a set of black loops connecting the stellar surface to the interior. Credit: Andrés Muñoz-Jaramillo of the Harvard CfA
“Plasma currents deep inside the sun interfered with the formation of sunspots and prolonged solar minimum,” says lead author Dibyendu Nandi of the Indian Institute of Science Education and Research in Kolkata. “Our conclusions are based on a new computer model of the sun’s interior.”
For years, solar physicists have recognized the importance of the sun’s “Great Conveyor Belt.” A vast system of plasma currents called ‘meridional flows’ (akin to ocean currents on Earth) travel along the sun’s surface, plunge inward around the poles, and pop up again near the sun’s equator. These looping currents play a key role in the 11-year solar cycle. When sunspots begin to decay, surface currents sweep up their magnetic remains and pull them down inside the star; 300,000 km below the surface, the sun’s magnetic dynamo amplifies the decaying magnetic fields. Re-animated sunspots become buoyant and bob up to the surface like a cork in water—voila! A new solar cycle is born.
For the first time, Nandi’s team believes they have developed a computer model that gets the physics right for all three aspects of this process–the magnetic dynamo, the conveyor belt, and the buoyant evolution of sunspot magnetic fields.
OK. Plenty of belief here, but does it have predictive power?
“According to our model, the trouble with sunspots actually began in back in the late 1990s during the upswing of Solar Cycle 23,” says co-author Andrés Muñoz-Jaramillo of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics. “At that time, the conveyor belt sped up.”
Sunspot cycles over the last century. The blue curve shows the cyclic variation in the number of sunspots. Red bars show the cumulative number of sunspot-less days. The minimum of sunspot cycle 23 was the longest in the space age with the largest number of spotless days. Credit: Dibyendu Nandi et al.
The fast-moving belt rapidly dragged sunspot corpses down to sun’s inner dynamo for amplification. At first glance, this might seem to boost sunspot production, but no. When the remains of old sunspots reached the dynamo, they rode the belt through the amplification zone too hastily for full re-animation. Sunspot production was stunted.
Later, in the 2000s, according to the model, the Conveyor Belt slowed down again, allowing magnetic fields to spend more time in the amplification zone, but the damage was already done. New sunspots were in short supply. Adding insult to injury, the slow moving belt did little to assist re-animated sunspots on their journey back to the surface, delaying the onset of Solar Cycle 24.
“The stage was set for the deepest solar minimum in a century,” says co-author Petrus Martens of the Montana State University Department of Physics.
OK. Plenty of belief. Does it have predictive power?
Colleagues and supporters of the team are calling the new model a significant advance.
“Understanding and predicting solar minimum is something we’ve never been able to do before—and it turns out to be very important,” says Lika Guhathakurta of NASA’s Heliophysics Division in Washington, DC.
OK. Colleagues think its wonderful. But…
Nandi notes that their new computer model explained not only the absence of sunspots but also the sun’s weakened magnetic field in 08-09. “It’s confirmation that we’re on the right track.”
I’m pleased for you. Now about the future…
Next step: NASA’s Solar Dynamics Observatory (SDO) can measure the motions of the sun’s conveyor belt—not just on the surface but deep inside, too. The technique is called helioseismology; it reveals the sun’s interior in much the same way that an ultrasound works on a pregnant woman. By plugging SDO’s high-quality data into the computer model, the researchers might be able to predict how future solar minima will unfold. SDO is just getting started, however, so forecasts will have to wait.
Indeed, much work remains to be done, but, says Guhathakurta, “finally, we may be cracking the mystery of the spotless sun.”
I worry about this sort of science (or at least, this sort of scientific publishing). They claim they can explain the past, but they have no idea if their model has any predictive power.
Before the last solar minimum there were plenty of different models that all explained the past but had zero predictive power about the solar minimum. Has this salutary experience been forgotten already at NASA? I’m sure David Hathaway could tell them all about it.
I was going to title this post “NASA suffers from premature exultation” but I thought better of it. This team could be right, but frankly there’s no way to know unless they can make a reasonable forecast.
All of which puts all of this at slightly above the level of reading tea-leaves. But its in Nature, so it’s like hitting a home run in the World Series of science. That’s the important part, clearly.
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Brad
March 3, 2011 11:47 am
Exactly – and they do not note the type of magnetic effect that some believe (Dr. Leif Svalgaard for example) does have predictive power for future cycles – the Livingston and Penn effect.
NASA, misses yet again. Why not spending and sending men to do little science in space and instead build some spacecraft to collect some data?
NoAstronomer
March 3, 2011 11:48 am
I have a computer model that says x^2 = 2x.
P.F.
March 3, 2011 11:50 am
Didn’t Rhodes Fairbridge have a similar idea back in the early 1970s of what was happening regarding sun spot creation and absence?
So Climate Change is really happening and once the sunspots return, we are all going to be cooked?
John E
March 3, 2011 11:51 am
For the first time, Nandi’s team believes they have developed a computer model that gets the physics right for all three aspects of this process–the magnetic dynamo, the conveyor belt, and the buoyant evolution of sunspot magnetic fields.
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Wow, there are only three aspects to the cause of sunspots. For some reason I thought the process was more complex…silly me.
Lance
March 3, 2011 11:56 am
….several years ago, (not going to dig for it)…”scientist have completed there runs of a new model they have developed and SC24 will be the largest ever…”
“The minimum of sunspot cycle 23 was the longest in the space age …” Is ‘the space age’ an officially recognised period of time, then?
Perry
March 3, 2011 12:00 pm
Indeed, much work remains to be done, but, says Guhathakurta, “finally, we may be cracking the mystery of the spotless sun.”
That sounds so much like the situation within the medical profession back in the 1920/30s before the advent of antibiotics.
“We can diagnose your illness, the symptoms are extremely well known to us, we can give you a full prognosis of how the disease will kill you, but cure you? Nope, not a chance! All we can hope to do is ease your dying, Next patient please, nurse!”
jonjermey
March 3, 2011 12:05 pm
Great, now they can fudge the unverified models of predicted solar output to offset the unverified models of predicted global warming, and we won’t have to worry about a thing!
Kev-in-Uk
March 3, 2011 12:05 pm
a new computer model? Great, so that’s another bit of ‘fudgeability’ able to be introduced to explain the observations…..
UK John
March 3, 2011 12:05 pm
This model theory appears interesting, but I have not the slightest idea what practical use it might be.
The scientific method is to test your hypothesis by getting results that correctly predict things you don’t yet know, but can measure after you pronounce your theory.
But of course you do get better results if your model predicts what you already know.
Well written and interesting. I enjoyed the “where’s Waldo” theme regarding predictive power.
It being Nature Magazine, the ending was predictable, but nothing you could do about that … they’re pretty much guaranteed to hype nonsense these days. Tragic.
Nice piece,
w.
Geoff
March 3, 2011 12:12 pm
Some of the words used during the NASA press conference.
Very unusual phase of the Sun
Very deep cycle minimum
Extended minimum
Slowly creeping out of extended minimum
in 2009 cosmic ray intensity increased 20%
atmosphere has shrunk due to lower solar activity
Upper atmosphere has cooled from lower solar activity
potential societal and economic impacts
And I thought they would announce they had found the sunspots beside the hidden ocean heat content.
Go figure.
Jeremy
March 3, 2011 12:26 pm
Is this like the martian microbes? Or that release when they were sure about the arsenic based life on earth?
Oh wait, this research is based on a model! How silly of me, it must be correct then.
Dan Lee
March 3, 2011 12:27 pm
I’m not seeing any cracked mysteries here. Do they have a theory about what speeds up or slows down the conveyor belt? Are the equations that constitute that theory built into their model?
Or did they just work out equations to model the recent behavior of the conveyor belt? If all they have is a model of past known behavior, then it’s a start but they’re going to need a theory about whatever affects the speed of that conveyor before they’ll be able to test it by making predictions.
Jim Cole
March 3, 2011 12:30 pm
To borrow a line from Mike Mann, “I think we should just stop publishing or citing articles in ‘Nature’ and encourage our friends to do the same”
That would be the “formerly highly regarded ‘Nature’ magazine”.
Same for ‘Science’. Sad but true.
Dave Dodd
March 3, 2011 12:30 pm
“Understanding and predicting solar minimum is something we’ve never been able to do before—and it turns out to be very important,”
Um, yeah. Sounds a bit like the pride my daughter felt when she was finally potty trained! But really, weren’t we already experiencing the minimum when you “predicted” it? What am I missing here?
Snowlover123
March 3, 2011 12:31 pm
BS
“For the first time, Nandi’s team believes they have developed a computer model that gets the physics right for all three aspects of this process”
A computer model…….
I really can’t tell the difference between hype and scientific reporting these days. It must be me getting old…
Brian H
March 3, 2011 12:32 pm
We need a model of how many incorrect models can adequately retrocast before smashing up on the Rocks of Reality. We could test the model by predicting how many incorrect hypotheses NASA, NOAA, etc. will produce prematurely exult over, over the next 1, 5, and 10 years.
jknapp
March 3, 2011 12:33 pm
It seems the prediction would depend on predicting the speed of the conveyer. If they can’t predict that then…
‘the sun’s magnetic dynamo amplifies the decaying magnetic fields. Re-animated sunspots become buoyant and bob up to the surface like a cork in water—voila! A new solar cycle is born.’
Lot of nonsense. ‘Belt slowed down again, allowing magnetic fields to spend more time in the amplification zone, ..’
That means the the amplification process (which is rubbish idea anyway) would mean that these spots that ‘ spend more time in the amplification zone ’ should have much stronger magnetic field.
L&P are not a happy bunch, they claim that new crop of spots has much weaker magnetic field.
Dr. Hathaway must be pulling his beard out in a rage too.
What about Schatten’s percolation dynamo?
What a mess !
What next, back to pseudoscience ? http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/LFC2.htm
Theo Goodwin
March 3, 2011 12:36 pm
The belt speeds up and the belt slows down. Well, what makes it speed up or slow down? Pardon me if I am not impressed with this explanation.
Can they predict the next speed change in the belt? All the speed changes for the next ten years? Can they retrodict speed changes, other than those they have already dissected?
Exactly – and they do not note the type of magnetic effect that some believe (Dr. Leif Svalgaard for example) does have predictive power for future cycles – the Livingston and Penn effect.
NASA, misses yet again. Why not spending and sending men to do little science in space and instead build some spacecraft to collect some data?
I have a computer model that says x^2 = 2x.
Didn’t Rhodes Fairbridge have a similar idea back in the early 1970s of what was happening regarding sun spot creation and absence?
So Climate Change is really happening and once the sunspots return, we are all going to be cooked?
For the first time, Nandi’s team believes they have developed a computer model that gets the physics right for all three aspects of this process–the magnetic dynamo, the conveyor belt, and the buoyant evolution of sunspot magnetic fields.
*********
Wow, there are only three aspects to the cause of sunspots. For some reason I thought the process was more complex…silly me.
….several years ago, (not going to dig for it)…”scientist have completed there runs of a new model they have developed and SC24 will be the largest ever…”
“The minimum of sunspot cycle 23 was the longest in the space age …” Is ‘the space age’ an officially recognised period of time, then?
Indeed, much work remains to be done, but, says Guhathakurta, “finally, we may be cracking the mystery of the spotless sun.”
That sounds so much like the situation within the medical profession back in the 1920/30s before the advent of antibiotics.
“We can diagnose your illness, the symptoms are extremely well known to us, we can give you a full prognosis of how the disease will kill you, but cure you? Nope, not a chance! All we can hope to do is ease your dying, Next patient please, nurse!”
Great, now they can fudge the unverified models of predicted solar output to offset the unverified models of predicted global warming, and we won’t have to worry about a thing!
a new computer model? Great, so that’s another bit of ‘fudgeability’ able to be introduced to explain the observations…..
This model theory appears interesting, but I have not the slightest idea what practical use it might be.
The scientific method is to test your hypothesis by getting results that correctly predict things you don’t yet know, but can measure after you pronounce your theory.
But of course you do get better results if your model predicts what you already know.
Well written and interesting. I enjoyed the “where’s Waldo” theme regarding predictive power.
It being Nature Magazine, the ending was predictable, but nothing you could do about that … they’re pretty much guaranteed to hype nonsense these days. Tragic.
Nice piece,
w.
Some of the words used during the NASA press conference.
Very unusual phase of the Sun
Very deep cycle minimum
Extended minimum
Slowly creeping out of extended minimum
in 2009 cosmic ray intensity increased 20%
atmosphere has shrunk due to lower solar activity
Upper atmosphere has cooled from lower solar activity
potential societal and economic impacts
There already is a comment on the Nature website pointing out that the “…model is in conflict with the observations.”
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v471/n7336/abs/nature09786.html
And I thought they would announce they had found the sunspots beside the hidden ocean heat content.
Go figure.
Is this like the martian microbes? Or that release when they were sure about the arsenic based life on earth?
Oh wait, this research is based on a model! How silly of me, it must be correct then.
I’m not seeing any cracked mysteries here. Do they have a theory about what speeds up or slows down the conveyor belt? Are the equations that constitute that theory built into their model?
Or did they just work out equations to model the recent behavior of the conveyor belt? If all they have is a model of past known behavior, then it’s a start but they’re going to need a theory about whatever affects the speed of that conveyor before they’ll be able to test it by making predictions.
To borrow a line from Mike Mann, “I think we should just stop publishing or citing articles in ‘Nature’ and encourage our friends to do the same”
That would be the “formerly highly regarded ‘Nature’ magazine”.
Same for ‘Science’. Sad but true.
“Understanding and predicting solar minimum is something we’ve never been able to do before—and it turns out to be very important,”
Um, yeah. Sounds a bit like the pride my daughter felt when she was finally potty trained! But really, weren’t we already experiencing the minimum when you “predicted” it? What am I missing here?
BS
“For the first time, Nandi’s team believes they have developed a computer model that gets the physics right for all three aspects of this process”
A computer model…….
I really can’t tell the difference between hype and scientific reporting these days. It must be me getting old…
We need a model of how many incorrect models can adequately retrocast before smashing up on the Rocks of Reality. We could test the model by predicting how many incorrect hypotheses NASA, NOAA, etc. will produce prematurely exult over, over the next 1, 5, and 10 years.
It seems the prediction would depend on predicting the speed of the conveyer. If they can’t predict that then…
‘the sun’s magnetic dynamo amplifies the decaying magnetic fields. Re-animated sunspots become buoyant and bob up to the surface like a cork in water—voila! A new solar cycle is born.’
Lot of nonsense.
‘Belt slowed down again, allowing magnetic fields to spend more time in the amplification zone, ..’
That means the the amplification process (which is rubbish idea anyway) would mean that these spots that ‘ spend more time in the amplification zone ’ should have much stronger magnetic field.
L&P are not a happy bunch, they claim that new crop of spots has much weaker magnetic field.
Dr. Hathaway must be pulling his beard out in a rage too.
What about Schatten’s percolation dynamo?
What a mess !
What next, back to pseudoscience ? http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/LFC2.htm
The belt speeds up and the belt slows down. Well, what makes it speed up or slow down? Pardon me if I am not impressed with this explanation.
Can they predict the next speed change in the belt? All the speed changes for the next ten years? Can they retrodict speed changes, other than those they have already dissected?