Missing sunspots solved by NASA?

News from NASA that they believe they have solved the mystery of the missing sunspots and why the solar minimum was so prolonged:

Researchers Crack the Mystery of the Missing Sunspots

March 2, 2011: In 2008-2009, sunspots almost completely disappeared for two years. Solar activity dropped to hundred-year lows; Earth’s upper atmosphere cooled and collapsed; the sun’s magnetic field weakened, allowing cosmic rays to penetrate the Solar System in record numbers. It was a big event, and solar physicists openly wondered, where have all the sunspots gone?

Now they know. An answer is being published in the March 3rd edition of Nature.

In this artistic cutaway view of the sun, the Great Conveyor Belt appears as a set of black loops connecting the stellar surface to the interior. Credit: Andrés Muñoz-Jaramillo of the Harvard CfA
In this artistic cutaway view of the sun, the Great Conveyor Belt appears as a set of black loops connecting the stellar surface to the interior. Credit: Andrés Muñoz-Jaramillo of the Harvard CfA

“Plasma currents deep inside the sun interfered with the formation of sunspots and prolonged solar minimum,” says lead author Dibyendu Nandi of the Indian Institute of Science Education and Research in Kolkata. “Our conclusions are based on a new computer model of the sun’s interior.”

For years, solar physicists have recognized the importance of the sun’s “Great Conveyor Belt.” A vast system of plasma currents called ‘meridional flows’ (akin to ocean currents on Earth) travel along the sun’s surface, plunge inward around the poles, and pop up again near the sun’s equator. These looping currents play a key role in the 11-year solar cycle. When sunspots begin to decay, surface currents sweep up their magnetic remains and pull them down inside the star; 300,000 km below the surface, the sun’s magnetic dynamo amplifies the decaying magnetic fields. Re-animated sunspots become buoyant and bob up to the surface like a cork in water—voila! A new solar cycle is born.

For the first time, Nandi’s team believes they have developed a computer model that gets the physics right for all three aspects of this process–the magnetic dynamo, the conveyor belt, and the buoyant evolution of sunspot magnetic fields.

OK. Plenty of belief here, but does it have predictive power?

“According to our model, the trouble with sunspots actually began in back in the late 1990s during the upswing of Solar Cycle 23,” says co-author Andrés Muñoz-Jaramillo of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics. “At that time, the conveyor belt sped up.”

Sunspot cycles over the last century. The blue curve shows the cyclic variation in the number of sunspots. Red bars show the cumulative number of sunspot-less days. The minimum of sunspot cycle 23 was the longest in the space age with the largest number of spotless days. Credit: Dibyendu Nandi et al.

The fast-moving belt rapidly dragged sunspot corpses down to sun’s inner dynamo for amplification. At first glance, this might seem to boost sunspot production, but no. When the remains of old sunspots reached the dynamo, they rode the belt through the amplification zone too hastily for full re-animation. Sunspot production was stunted.

Later, in the 2000s, according to the model, the Conveyor Belt slowed down again, allowing magnetic fields to spend more time in the amplification zone, but the damage was already done. New sunspots were in short supply. Adding insult to injury, the slow moving belt did little to assist re-animated sunspots on their journey back to the surface, delaying the onset of Solar Cycle 24.

“The stage was set for the deepest solar minimum in a century,” says co-author Petrus Martens of the Montana State University Department of Physics.

OK. Plenty of belief. Does it have predictive power?

Colleagues and supporters of the team are calling the new model a significant advance.

“Understanding and predicting solar minimum is something we’ve never been able to do before—and it turns out to be very important,” says Lika Guhathakurta of NASA’s Heliophysics Division in Washington, DC.

OK. Colleagues think its wonderful. But…

Nandi notes that their new computer model explained not only the absence of sunspots but also the sun’s weakened magnetic field in 08-09. “It’s confirmation that we’re on the right track.”

I’m pleased for you. Now about the future…

Next step: NASA’s Solar Dynamics Observatory (SDO) can measure the motions of the sun’s conveyor belt—not just on the surface but deep inside, too. The technique is called helioseismology; it reveals the sun’s interior in much the same way that an ultrasound works on a pregnant woman. By plugging SDO’s high-quality data into the computer model, the researchers might be able to predict how future solar minima will unfold. SDO is just getting started, however, so forecasts will have to wait.

Indeed, much work remains to be done, but, says Guhathakurta, “finally, we may be cracking the mystery of the spotless sun.”

I worry about this sort of science (or at least, this sort of scientific publishing). They claim they can explain the past, but they have no idea if their model has any predictive power.

Before the last solar minimum there were plenty of different models that all explained the past but had zero predictive power about the solar minimum. Has this salutary experience been forgotten already at NASA? I’m sure David Hathaway could tell them all about it.

I was going to title this post “NASA suffers from premature exultation” but I thought better of it. This team could be right, but frankly there’s no way to know unless they can make a reasonable forecast.

All of which puts all of this at slightly above the level of reading tea-leaves. But its in Nature, so it’s like hitting a home run in the World Series of science. That’s the important part, clearly.

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March 3, 2011 12:38 pm

Computer models certainly have their place. They are used successfully in many engineering disciplines daily.
For example, we can certainly create a computer model to predict the velocity of an object in free fall at approximately sea level on earth. The model would be pretty accurate – until wind resistance started kicking in. The model could be upgraded to take into account the aerodynamic drag of the free falling object, and would, again, be pretty accurate. Until other weather conditions also kick in (high humidity. shear winds, etc).
The point is that models *are* a useful tool. But they are not a replacement for observed data. Unless or until the models have some type of predictive power, they should be viewed suspiciously. Prior to that, they are merely an interesting piece of data – but certainly not worthy of being considered a falsifiable scientific theory.
Regardless, interesting theory. Let’s see if they publish predictive data, and how the model performs against it.

Jaap de Vos
March 3, 2011 12:39 pm

It is not necessary to wait for the predictive power of NASA. In 1989 Dr. Theodor Landscheidt (see Wikipedia and Google) predicted lower sunspots from 1990 with the grand minimum around 2030. He related his prediction on a periodicity of about 172 years with the Dalton, Maunder,Spörer and Wolf minima.

Bryan A
March 3, 2011 12:42 pm

Obviously the cause for the speeding up of the Conveyor belt through the amplification zone is the presence of a greater quantity of Carbon in the core trying to combine with the minute ammounts of Oxygen being produced through the fusion process. Once again, a slight increase of CO2 on the levels of PPB is to blame for what ails the sun, now all the warmists need to do is find a way to attribute it to Man’s activities

Michael Penny
March 3, 2011 12:45 pm

So they use measured reading of the sun’s conveyor belt to “predict how future solar minima will unfold” a few years off, but do they have any way to predict the sun’s conveyor belt?

DJ
March 3, 2011 12:45 pm

I watched TV last night. HBO. A documentary.
Secrets of the Tribe
I was riveted. Glued to my seat. I was watching the whole climategate/global warming/climate change battle before my eyes..but the subject wasn’t climate, it was anthropology, and I was dumbfounded at the parallels between this and the ongoing climate battle.
Allegations of corrupt data, worthless papers published in Science, charges of researchers directly influencing behavior and data, sexual misbehavior by researchers, analogies to Nazis, and it all centers around 2 opposing camps.
It centers around Napoleon Chagnon’s work with the Yanomomi in south america, and even includes charges of genocide against him. I know this seems a bit off-topic, but I had to throw this in somewhere!

March 3, 2011 12:46 pm

Here is what they said about two years ago:
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2009/17jun_jetstream/
vukcevic says:
March 3, 2011 at 12:35 pm
What next, back to pseudoscience ?
What a shame to see this on “the best science blog 2011”.

Hank Hancock
March 3, 2011 12:47 pm

Solar activity dropped to hundred-year lows; Earth’s upper atmosphere cooled and collapsed;…

Someone help me out here. A cooling upper atmosphere is supposed to be evidence of global warming but now they’re saying the sun’s hundred-year low has caused it to cool? Does this change the AGW hypothesis and its conclusions in any meaningful way or has this solar activity cooling the upper atmosphere all been accounted for already in the climate models?

APACHEWHOKNOWS
March 3, 2011 12:58 pm

“Who of ye of the denier’s is a “member of the team” any of you “fellows of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center of Astrophysics”, any of you have your PHD’s in Solar Physics. You guys just wait untill we get Al Gore up to speed on this magnetic dynamo conveyor belt of new improved plasma whose currents will bring new grants and funding for us.”
ps
Mr. Andres’ Monoz-Jaramillo of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, thanks for the release of the bones of my great, great, great grandfather Mangus Colorados that you had there via the U.S. Calvery Jan. 1863. Never mind it was 1990 and the Smithsonian had the Apache “skull’s” mis labled and the “skull” in question may have been the one in Fowler’s Phrenological Cabinet in New York, but then all you guys look the same to we Apache.
What they are about is uping the PHD scale on U.S., in order to talk down to U.S. from higher above. They be gods soon.

Jim Imboden
March 3, 2011 1:02 pm

Vukcevic says: “Dr. Hathaway must be pulling his beard out in a rage too”
Hathaway has a comment on the Nature site, actually it was Hathaway that said their model is in conflict with observations. If you read his comment you will see that he doesn’t agree with their model at all.
Jim

March 3, 2011 1:10 pm

The graph above reminds me of a glottal wave. Not a simple addition of sines, but a complex resonance triggered by a periodic quick shutting and opening of a “valve”.
Here’s a “yu” sound for comparison:
http://ockhamsbungalow.com/blog25/you-wave.jpg

DesertYote
March 3, 2011 1:14 pm

From the NASA news story:
“… The famous Maunder Minimum of the 17th century lasted 70 years and coincided with the deepest part of Europe’s Little Ice Age. Researchers are still struggling to understand the connection.”
So they are still trying to reinforce the notion that the LIA and MWP were regional by implication. I’m sorry, but using words that may be technically true, but are chosen to give an impression of some that is not, is still lying. NASA lies.
The only thing researchers(propagandists) are struggling with is to explain away the LIA so as to decouple changes in the suns behavior as a significant contributor to changes in the earths weather.

Mark_K
March 3, 2011 1:16 pm

NoAstronomer says:
March 3, 2011 at 11:48 am
I have a computer model that says x^2 = 2x.
And Climate Modelers would extrapolate from that that x^y = yx, and when the model didn’t predict very well, instead of looking at their original assumptions, they would begin adding various forcings to their model to improve its predictive ability.

Davidg
March 3, 2011 1:19 pm

Owl droppings, that’s all NASA has. And People make fun of Astrology, but Nature lets NASA do entrail readings and and get away with it!

Bryan A
March 3, 2011 1:20 pm

The belt speeds up……
The belt slows down……….
The motion’s pulling sunspots to their grave
La de da de dee
La de da de da
A new ice age was once the rage, uh huh
Now Global warming’s took the stage, uh huh
The Solar cycle’s the current thing, uh huh
AGW’s our newborn king, uh huh
The belt speeds up……
The belt slows down……….
The motion’s pulling sunspots to their grave
La de da de dee
La de da de da
We’re forced to drive electric golf carts, uh huh
To the grocery store and super-marts, uh huh
And Scientists still say it’s getting warm
Electrically we have to heat our homes
The belt speeds up……
The belt slows down……….
The motion’s pulling sunspots to their grave
La de da de dee
La de da de da
Politicians sit in chairs and reminisce
Of days when voters didn’t boo or hiss
The cars keep using gas up all the time
Activists cry “hey buddy, CO2’s a crime”
The belt speeds up……
The belt slows down……….
The motion’s pulling sunspots to their grave
La de da de dee
La de da de da

ShrNfr
March 3, 2011 1:25 pm

@NoAstronomer: Tested on the number 2 from the ground stations undoubtedly.
Problem with this sort of model is that it describes an inherently mathematical chaotic process that is driven by the logistic equation. Notoriously hard to predict except for short periods.

wayne Job
March 3, 2011 1:28 pm

They seem to have missed the mark entirely. The cyclic changes of the sun are caused by ? This model will prove to be less than useful for predicting the future of our heat ball. The possibility of the sun having an internal clock that regulates its pulse in cycles is? Celestial mechanics is the starting point. I always thought that NASA was all about space research and exploration. Real scientists and engineers in the past sent men to the moon with the computing power of a good hand calculator. What is it with this new crop at NASA are they trying to mind meld with their super computer.

johnb
March 3, 2011 1:29 pm

What stands out to me is that Nandi’s team seems to think that the sun is broken/malfunctioning.
…the trouble with sunspots actually began…
…but the damage was already done.
Adding insult to injury…
Is this something that is broken or a natural process in flux? NASA seems to take the stance that previous years sunspot levels were the ideal and that the natural system is operating at a less than optimal level. Treating it in this way sets them up to be the arbiter of the next cause celebre in identifying exactly how we should fix this problem.

Jeremy
March 3, 2011 1:35 pm

Just caught this:

Credits: This research was funded by NASA’s Living With a Star Program and the Department of Science and Technology of the Government of India.

Ah, this helps explain it, it must be part of NASA’s new cultural outreach programs.

stupidboy
March 3, 2011 1:45 pm

Where have all the sunspots gone?
NASA’s modelled them every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
With apologies to Pete Seeger

Theo Goodwin
March 3, 2011 1:51 pm

Bryan A says:
March 3, 2011 at 1:20 pm
Very impressive!

APACHEWHOKNOWS
March 3, 2011 2:09 pm

They with the use of their big old super computer could come closer to knowing the number of grains of sand on all the beaches of the planet earth than it and they could come to understanding what it is that makes the sun tick.
Tell us Phd., Dr. of Solar Astro Physics, do Super-Nova’s have a hand in any of it or do you have data to prove they do not. Go , study if they cause the plasma currents of the sun to cycle or not.

March 3, 2011 2:09 pm

Jim Imboden says: March 3, 2011 at 1:02 pm
Hathaway has a comment on the Nature site, actually it was Hathaway that said their model is in conflict with observations.
Exactly, that’s why Dr. Hathaway must be pulling his beard out in a rage too, that his beloved NASA is promoting ideas that he so strongly disagrees with.

tallbloke
March 3, 2011 2:15 pm

Jim Imboden says:
March 3, 2011 at 1:02 pm (Edit)
Vukcevic says: “Dr. Hathaway must be pulling his beard out in a rage too”
Hathaway has a comment on the Nature site, actually it was Hathaway that said their model is in conflict with observations. If you read his comment you will see that he doesn’t agree with their model at all.

Leif can’t be pleased about his shallow dynamo theory getting the cold shoulder either.
Seems there might be more than one way to read the SDO data tealeaves.
What say you Leif? Is this a final throw of the dice for the deep dynamo-hummers?

Malaga View
March 3, 2011 2:16 pm

More bull than Buzz Lightyear:
computer model… magnetic dynamo… conveyor belt… magnetic fields… plasma currents… meridional flows… inner dynamo… amplification zone… ultrasound… buoyant evolution… cosmic rays… space junk… helioseismology…

More moves than John Travolta:
stage was set… slow moving… violent flaring… cool and collapse… plunge inward… pop up again… pull them down… bob up… unfold.. wait.. grind on… works on a pregnant woman…

More scary than Vincent Price:
sunspot corpses… full re-animation… decaying… strange things happen… held at bay… cooled and collapsed… stunted… the remains… rapidly dragged… cracking… dangerous place

To infinitity and beyond belief

March 3, 2011 2:17 pm

Leif Svalgaard says: March 3, 2011 at 12:46 pm
……………….
Hey Doc
We expect an erudite and in depth analysis. Little snippets, however entertaining or sarcastic can not do the justice.