I Have A Stake In The Outcome

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

Here on WUWT, Ron Cram has provided an interesting overview of a number of people’s ideas about desirable changes to the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (UN IPCC). He proposes that the IPCC provide us with a majority and a minority view of climate science, rather than just a single Assessment Report.

I’m here to propose something very different. Some people think the IPCC should be disbanded. I’m not one of them.

Figure 1. The old time methods are still the best.

I think disbanding the IPCC is a bad idea. Instead, I think that we should take the IPCC to the crossroads at midnight and pound an aspen stake through its heart, stuff its head with garlic, and scatter the remains to be disinfected by sunlight so it can never, ever rise again.

Let me give you a list of my reasons why this is the preferable outcome, in no particular order:

•   The IPCC has provided very little of value in the way of deliverables. The reports have been clearly political, heavily slanted, and shot through with third-rate science and worse, NGO puff pieces disguised as science.

•   No other branch of science wants, needs, or has anything like the IPCC … which argues against it being a useful construct. Nor would most branches of science tolerate that kind of nonsense, a bunch of government bureaucrats summarizing the science.

•   Instead of providing us with any kind of certainty or agreement, the IPCC has been the source of endless disagreements, arguments, and food fights. It is a force for dissension and division, not for scientific advancement and harmony. It has made the split worse, not better.

•   Dr. Pachauri has shown repeatedly that he views his tenure as an Imperial Presidency, immune to comment or dissent. Indeed, his view permeates the entire organization.

•   The “Summary for Policymakers” is done with lots of input from politicians. Letting politicians assist in the writing of the scientific summary for themselves and other politicians … bad idea.

•   A number of underhanded, unethical, and generally dirty things have been done under the IPCC umbrella. As a result, there is a huge segment of the population who will automatically adopt the opposite position to any IPCC recommendations … and often with good reason.

•   People don’t trust the IPCC. We have little confidence in the players, the science, the system, or the so-called safeguards. We’ve been lied to, systematically lied to, by the IPCC. How anyone can think the IPCC is still relevant to public policy after that is beyond me. Abraham Lincoln knew better. In a speech in 1854, he said:

If you once forfeit the confidence of your fellow citizens, you can never regain their respect and esteem.

And regarding the confidence of the public, nothing has changed in the last century and a half since Lincoln spoke … which is another reason why it is useless to try to keep the IPCC alive. Confidence in the IPCC is dead and it will not come back, it’s not pining for the fjords, it’s terminal, put it out of its misery.

•   Previous dirty fighting has soured a number of excellent scientists on participating in the IPCC process.

•   The participants are chosen by politicians of the various countries … hardly a scientific method for doing anything.

•   The great Ravetzian experiment has been a failure. Jerome Ravetz is one of the founders of and hucksters for “Post-Normal Science”. He recommends including all stakeholders like politicians and planners and social scientists into the scientific process, just like the IPCC did. And he thinks that in times like the present, we need “Post-Normal Science”. (In the best Orwellian doublespeak fashion, this is not a science at all, despite the name.) Post-Normal Science holds that we need to substitute “quality” for truth. The IPCC fits right into Ravetz’s vision of “quality” and participation, and this is exactly what the IPCC claims to do — assess the quality, from the viewpoint of all the stakeholders, of the various parts of climate science.

I’m not saying Jerome Ravetz planned this in any way, he didn’t as far as I can tell. But quite unintentionally, for whatever reasons and circumstances, the IPCC has been a grand experiment in Post-Normal Science.

That experiment has failed. And not just failed, it has crashed and burned with spectacular pyrotechnics and outrageous sound effects. In addition to unending disputes, it has brought us the amusingly meretricious self-aggrandizement of third-rate scientists like Michael Mann.

The attempt to introduce some kind of “quality” assessment into climate science has not led to a greater agreement on where we stand and what to do. Instead, the IPCC and its post-normal science process has led to infighting, and to chapter authors promoting and hyping the “quality” and the “robustness” of their own work, and to questions and protests from reviewers being routinely ignored or run over, and to people gaming the system, and to everything but what the IPCC was supposed to lead to – some kind of agreement on the main points.

And that is why we need to drive a stake through its heart. It was based on false premises. One was the premise that we need something like the IPCC at all. No other arena of scientific endeavor has such a thing … oh, except for the UN bureaucrats latest power grab, a new “IPCC for the biosphere”. (OK, for those who don’t know how that will turn out, spoiler alert! The outcome will be another train wreck … I can see that many of you are surprised.)

Another very important false premise was the charmingly naive idea that Lead Authors would treat their own work the same as they treated the work of other scientists … BWAHAHAHA. Only a lapsed Marxist like Ravetz or one of his kin would be foolish enough to think that would end well. I strongly suspect that Ravetz must actually believe in the goodness of man.

Look, folks, the US Constitution works because none of the founding fathers trusted each other one inch. They didn’t believe in the goodness of man, they’d seen too many kings and tyrants for that nonsense to fly. That’s why the US has three equal branches of Government, so no one branch and no one man would get too powerful. They didn’t trust people a bit.

Why didn’t they trust anyone? Because they were realists who knew that given a chance, someone would grab the power and use it for their own interests and against the interests of the people.

Like, for example, what Michael Mann did when he was appointed Lead Author for an IPCC Chapter. Because the people who set up the IPCC believed in things like fairies, AGW, unicorns, and the basic goodness of humanity, Mann had no constraints on his scientific malfeasance. He was free to promote his Hockeystick garbage as though it were real science.

So that’s why I say kill the IPCC, deader than dead, and scatter the remains. It is built from the bottom up on false ideas, fantasies of human goodness and of the benefits of political involvement that will ensure failure even if the motives are good.

But if for our sins we have to have something like the IPCC, it needs to be set up so that no one faction can take control of the outcome. We need an IPCC Charter that is specifically designed, like the US Constitution, to prevent people from doing those things that we know they will otherwise gladly do. So if we have to have an IPCC, we need a new Charter for a new organization, a charter that starts from the premise that humans will definitely lie, cheat, and corrupt the science if given the slightest chance.

As a result, if we don’t kill the IPCC, the Fifth Assessment Report will be guaranteed to bring us at least three things among its cornucopian lack of benefits:

Liars, cheats, and corrupters of science.

My conclusion? Considering the widespread damage done by the first four attacks, I’m not sure that climate science is strong enough to endure the impending attack from the IPCC Fifth Assessment Report. Kill the unclean beast now, while we still have a chance of saving the science.

w.

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Chris D.
February 14, 2011 5:57 am

While I too would like to see the IPCC disbanded, I don’t agree with the language used in this post. Kill the IPCC? There are plenty of people lined up to tangentially manufacture political hay from less violent imagery, as recently witnessed in the Palin-target-list kerfluffle. I do hope Anthony will keep a tighter rein on his contributors in the future.

hide the decline
February 14, 2011 5:57 am

steven mosher says: February 14, 2011 at 2:27 am
If the IPCC “Process” is not an example of PNS then it must be an example of the process of “Socially Engineered Science”. Cronyism disguised as a stakeholder.
BTW mosh, the definition of a “Stakeholder” is a fork. In any event, a stakeholder is usually devoid of any equity in which they cast an opinion on, or in.

Pamela Gray
February 14, 2011 6:11 am

More than just a rim shot, this post is a three point game stealer from midcourt with zero left on the clock!

Magnus
February 14, 2011 6:19 am

DocMartyn says:
February 14, 2011 at 5:55 am
It does help if the stake is driven through the left-hand side of the chest, where the heart is, rather than the right-hand side.
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The heart is actually right in the middle, although: “The heart is usually felt to be on the left side because the left heart (left ventricle) is stronger (it pumps to all body parts). ”
As usual, the actual science and facts are often contradictory to what is “felt to be”. Much in the same way many leftist eco-extrimists “feel bad” about what humans do to the world. There is no doubt much harm being done by humans, but it may not correspond entirely and perfectly with our “feelings” about what is going on.

tallbloke
February 14, 2011 6:21 am

HaroldW says:
February 14, 2011 at 5:33 am (Edit)
Well, this gets off-topic, but curiosity can’t be stopped. Is there a zoologist here who can identify the non-human bones in the picture? I’m guessing that the “vampire” was buried with his horse.

Some enjoy flogging a dead one. In this case it’s the “….and the horse you rode in on”
Like Anthony I prefer not to ascribe malice where incompetence is quite sufficient. On the subject of skeletons, horses and the IPCC’s incompetence and doom saying, I always liked this cartoon.
http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/rni/lowres/rnin308l.jpg

beng
February 14, 2011 6:24 am

Don’t remove that stake!

David A. Evans
February 14, 2011 6:27 am

What’s everyone complaining about? The IPCC is working well within design specifications! In fact the design has worked so well that they’ve already started on the MkII, biodiversity version.
DaveE.

richard verney
February 14, 2011 6:27 am

None of this will ever end until there is true accountability in public life. The problem is that the ‘ruling’ class can make decissions without bearing the consequence of the decisions that they make. This leads to corruption and self interest. It also leads to acting upon ideological lines with a complete damn as to the consequences. This is pervassive and has pervaded public life for far too long.
For example, a parole board may release a prisoner who has served say just 40% of their sentence because of the ideological views of the parole board. The released prisoner during the early release period (ie., the remaing 60% period) may commit another serious crime, eg., stabbing, rape, murder whatever. If the members of the parole board were considered to be accessories to that further crime and each liable to prosecution as a co-offender in relation to that offence, it would make them think seriously about the risks that early release may pose and whether early release is justified in relation to the risks that society runs by virtue of the early release. It would make them consider what risks they themselves are prepared to run for the ideological beliefs that they hold.
A similar principle should apply to political decisions taken by politicians and activists/pressure groups pushing for certain policy decisions. If a decision was negligently made (and in this regard there may need to be a seperate catagory of negligence and may be a different standard of proof), then those who pushed for the decision and those who made the decision should be liable to compensate all those adversely affected by the decision. In this regard, one would also have to carefully consider and define the assets of the people involved ti get around trusts, marital/family dispositions etc.
The problem is that it is easy to spend other people’s money. It is easy to take a joy ride and enjoy the gravy train and when it is all seen to be a scam and de-rails, there is no consequence for the parasites involved. Fundamental changes are needed if one is to ever curb the abuse of power.
As regards the IPCC, this will live on. There is little chance that a scientific debate will kill it off. If there was a killer scientific argument on either side this would have been deployed. The science and the inadequacies in the science has been known for at least 40 years. At best, the only potential game changers are a better understanding of clouds both whether they are positive or negative feedback and the cosmic rays experiment.
In my view, the only realistic game changer on the horizon is an observational one should we be in for a prolonged period of cooler temperatures. If we are in for a period of say a further 20 years of cooling temperatures, the AGW argument will become ever more difficult to sell. The only question is how much damage will we inflict upon ourselves before this becomes obvious. There is of course potential to inflict much damage. However, the present economic problems may curb that. If it takes us 5 to 10 years to crawl out of the present economic mess and if by then the cooler temperatures are more apparent, we may be able to stop applying the accelerator and possibly even apply the brakes. I don’t like cold but I am hoping for a prolonged period of cooling.

Magnus
February 14, 2011 6:32 am

Mervyn Sullivan says:
February 14, 2011 at 5:36 am
US 60+ billion dollars have been spent over the years, trying to persuade the world that CO2 emissions from human activity is causing catastrophic global warming … yet the IPCC has still not yet produced even one shred of empirical evidence to support its mantra. (Heck, the IPCC could even win US $500,000 from the Junk Science web site by producing the empirical evidence.)
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An important side note to your story is the: “We must act now or it will be to late. Evidence may be rather scarce, but if you don’t trust us completely and make a U-turn within very little time, the evidence WILL mount up as the problem grows too large to handle”-mantra.
This was a neat trick. It kind of eases the burden of providing actual evidence. The problem I see is that I cannot wrap my head around how they, in spite of being unable to come up with clear evidence, can be so precise with regards to tipping points, feedbacks, windows of action expressed in precise numerical statements about reduction goals etc.
AND: Have they produced any actual solutions that can be implemented to reduce CO2? Seems like the AGWers are more concerned with confirming the ever more dramatic catastrophy than providing solutions that can actually reduce CO2 in a meaningful way.

tanstaafl
February 14, 2011 6:33 am

This is a clear and persuasive set of reasons to ‘take the IPCC to the crossroads’. It is a shame that the rent seekers will not listen, learn and heed. I fear that the 5th attack will severly damage the global economy.
The good news is that after a couple more years of cooling the 6th will not happen.

Ken Harvey
February 14, 2011 6:37 am

To misquote:
“Willis Eschenbach (may his tribe increase)”
I thank you Willis on behalf of my grandchildren and great grandchildren. I sincerely hope that your post gets wider coverage.

February 14, 2011 6:42 am

Chris D.
You said:
” . . .I don’t agree with the language used in this post. Kill the IPCC? . . . I do hope Anthony will keep a tighter rein on his contributors in the future.”
OK. I have to assume you intended that remark facetiously, right?
This was a brilliant call to arms, Chris.
I’m a little old lady who releases flies out-of-doors if she can manage it.
But rational people need to identify an enemy by its evil intentions and deeds and then – kill it.

Pascvaks
February 14, 2011 6:44 am

Willis, you’re tendancey to use big words when you get excited is so telling of how upset you really are. I take it from this piece that you don’t care much for the proposal on the table and that if you had your way you might do something unkind to the organization in question. Is that right? You’re so deep and enigmatic when you’re upset.
PS: Why “an aspen stake”? “Garlic”? “Scatter the remains”? Don’t understand. Wouldn’t a rope, a tree, and some gas and a match be OK too? You should use less Voodoo and more four letter words so we don’t misunderstand you. (It was Voodoo, right?;-)

February 14, 2011 6:45 am

This is obviously becoming a Roman Circus based on the comments here. Where can I buy a ticket to the ceremony? I would like to buy now before all the food seats are gone. Will there be refreshments or shall I bring my own champagne?

Doug in Seattle
February 14, 2011 6:46 am

That experiment has failed. And not just failed, it has crashed and burned with spectacular pyrotechnics and outrageous sound effects.

My overactive imagination was stimulated to think of the sound effects coming through my home theater. The windows would rattle, the whole house would shake, and the butt massage would be incredible on my sofa.
Thank you Willis!

dp
February 14, 2011 7:06 am

Can we toss this in the ashes, too?
“The biggest hurdle for PNS is people not understanding the name. It’s not post normal science but post normal science – ie a potential way forward when science can’t provide the answers rather than a new form of science. Science by consensus isn’t science, it is politics.”
Bollocks. PNS is a way to projects alive that cannot be supported by the science.

Tom Jones
February 14, 2011 7:12 am

I didn’t think that anyone could hold Post-Modern Science in greater disdain than I do. But I think Willis does. Can I volunteer to help in the midnight stake-driving?
Three cheers for Willis!

pyromancer76
February 14, 2011 7:18 am

“… I think that we should take the IPCC to the crossroads at midnight and pound an aspen stake through its heart, stuff its head with garlic, and scatter the remains to be disinfected by sunlight so it can never, ever rise again.”
Excellent, Willis. Now let’s get practical. Exactly how should this be done, step by step. Exactly who is going to provide the “crossroads” (the individuals, agencies, organizations, courts;, how do we agree on “midnight” (the timing of each thrust and dismemberment); what is the stake and the garlic; how and where to do we scatter the remains (I hope some of “it” goes to prison and I hope “it” gets NO retirement pension); how — throughout every developed society — is that sunlight distributed and shone at its brightest. There’s one heck of a lot of work to do. A Tea Party type of grassroots anger is an excellent beginning.

Charles Higley
February 14, 2011 7:19 am

There is no need for the IPCC or any other such body for any of the sciences.
BUT, there is a need to protect and monitor the temperature data from the “adjustments” and corruption imposed upon it by the politically-purchased data handlers. We need to present the raw data from a set of properly sited and maintained temperature monitoring sites relatively evenly distributed over the land mass – less than a hundred would do fine. With such quality and consistency, changes in global and regional temperatures would be valid.
There is no reason to create a “true” global average when it means cobbling up and extrapolating all kinds of regions while enduring changes over time in quality ad number of sites, as well as the selective deletion of sites by the data handlers.

Baa Humbug
February 14, 2011 7:22 am

LazyTeenager says:
February 14, 2011 at 2:33 am

Willis rants
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humans will definitely lie, cheat, and corrupt the science if given the slightest chance.
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and you are excluding climate skeptics from that classification for no particular reason?

HUMANS will definitely lie and cheat Lazyteenager, HUMANS. Ergo this includes sceptics and alarmists alike.
So are you now saying us sceptics are NOT human?
I got to hand it to you LazyT, you repeatedly receive intellectual pummelings here at WUWT, but you keep posting regardless. Most people would be too embarrassed to.
[snip . . unhelpful even if true]

Bruce Cobb
February 14, 2011 7:26 am

Spot on, Willis. The very basis of the IPCC’s existence is that there is something “wrong” with our climate, and that we humans “must” be to blame somehow.
You can’t fix something that’s rotten to the core.

tallbloke
February 14, 2011 7:26 am

Charles Higley says:
February 14, 2011 at 7:19 am
…there is a need to protect and monitor the temperature data from the “adjustments” and corruption imposed upon it by the politically-purchased data handlers. We need to present the raw data from a set of properly sited and maintained temperature monitoring sites relatively evenly distributed over the land mass

Discussion of this topic was one of the practical outcomes of the Lisbon workshop by the group I was sitting with. A short draft proposal was generated and read out:
http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2011/01/30/one-lisbon-workshop-output-climate-datasets/

Latitude
February 14, 2011 7:38 am

tallbloke says:
February 14, 2011 at 6:21 am
Like Anthony I prefer not to ascribe malice where incompetence is quite sufficient.
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Then you would have to believe that they are ignorant, have never looked at any opposing science, and don’t know what they are doing…
I don’t
I believe they are smart, and know exactly where they are lying

GregO
February 14, 2011 7:51 am

Willis,
I appreciate your position but consider this counter-argument: if we didn’t have the UN we could have something else in its place possibly worse. If we didn’t have the IPCC we could have something worse.
What is worse? Say we disband the UN – could the next thing simply be secret meetings between inter-governmental uber bureaucracies where the real decisions on policy are made independently of elected officials, officials who are simply front men and fall guys? I mean, look at the recent actions of the EPA on finding that CO2 is pollution.
At least with the current system we can see what is going on (to a degree) and protest.
(on a note of full disclosure my birthday falls on United Nations day)

February 14, 2011 8:08 am

GregO says:
February 14, 2011 at 7:51 am
Willis,
I appreciate your position but consider this counter-argument: if we didn’t have the UN we could have something else in its place possibly worse. If we didn’t have the IPCC we could have something worse.

At times like this it best to remember the words of WC
An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Winston Churchill
I think Willis has the right of it. 🙂